Doctor Who: The INSANE Mrs Flood Theory You Need To Know

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From companion clothes to fourth wall breaks, the mystery of Mrs Flood is the most intriguing thing in Doctor Who right now. But who could she be? Well, we have some theories...
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@stuu42
@stuu42 8 күн бұрын
There is an Egyptian god named "Heh", the god of eternity or infinity. There is also a female version, "Hauhet". They existed before the creation of the world, when all was chaos. The ancient Egyptians consider the time before creation as chaos. oh, also, "heh" is the ancient Egyptian word for that chaos, normally translated as "flood"...
@emperorgoose166
@emperorgoose166 7 күн бұрын
would be cool for the Osirans to play a role in series 2
@thatqwertydude2901
@thatqwertydude2901 7 күн бұрын
I thought you were going to say the female version was "hehe"
@igorschmidlapp6987
@igorschmidlapp6987 7 күн бұрын
I am "Meh", the God of Indifference... ;-P
@jeffcarey3045
@jeffcarey3045 7 күн бұрын
Heh.
@ftumschk
@ftumschk 7 күн бұрын
@@thatqwertydude2901 Fun fact: in ancient Egyptian, female nouns/names always end with a "t". Even the famous Isis, wife of Osiris, was originally called "Ist" (or something similar).
@masterfrf
@masterfrf 8 күн бұрын
I think that Mrs Flood is Ellie in disguise.
@WhoCulture
@WhoCulture 8 күн бұрын
No comment.
@THESHORTBOXFULL
@THESHORTBOXFULL 7 күн бұрын
SPOILERS! 😂😂😂
@kalebmiller7946
@kalebmiller7946 7 күн бұрын
You'll blow her cover!
@jakesinclair69420
@jakesinclair69420 7 күн бұрын
​@@WhoCulture I see you whoculture admin 😉😉
@sebastianoleary2743
@sebastianoleary2743 7 күн бұрын
​@WhoCulture "No comment" literally a comment.
@THESHORTBOXFULL
@THESHORTBOXFULL 7 күн бұрын
Just because Sutekh "waited" doesn't necessarily mean he was THE one who waits. Remember, "he will knock 4 times!"? How many people knocked 4 times before Wilf did?
@MarkOfTzeentch
@MarkOfTzeentch 6 күн бұрын
lots of people knocked 3, or two and two.. Wilf was the only one to knock 4 times in a row
@MrGroovyHouse-fe4cw
@MrGroovyHouse-fe4cw 5 күн бұрын
Ah, but remember we has Mrs Flood saying "He waits no more..."
@GothamClive
@GothamClive 4 күн бұрын
@@MarkOfTzeentch The Master drim rhtyhm was 4 beats.
@OTGGame
@OTGGame 8 күн бұрын
I feel like the mystery surrounding Ruby's mother was a misdirect created by Mrs Flood. We have all the things happening, yet Louise turns out to be an ordinary person. The Doctor's eyes have been looking at the wrong person. Mrs Flood plots, never even being suspected. A genius move.
@lexis_leunam
@lexis_leunam 4 күн бұрын
I hope so cause all of this for her to be ordinary really pissed me off. Like we just gonna make Ruby a basic person. No! I won't have it! There has to be more.
@ugolomb
@ugolomb Күн бұрын
@@lexis_leunam I don't mind Ruby's mother being an ordinary human. I *do* mind the ridiculous explanation of the pointing, especially since the Doctor himself states that he didn't see her point when he was there -- the memory changed afterwards. I would much prefer *that* to have been the explanation: Louise Miller didn't point at anything, but some entity tampered with her after-image (in the Doctor's memory, in the videotape, in the Time Window, etc.) to make it look as if she did. If this is Mrs Flood's doing, it could actually tie in nicely with her "clever boy" comment: she planted that misdirect to mislead both the Doctor and Sutekh -- since the best way to fool Sutekh into believing that Ruby's mother was super-important was to fool the Doctor into thinking so as well; but at least the Doctor was clever enough to make good use of the misdirect
@bennettnez4711
@bennettnez4711 8 күн бұрын
There is a page about Mars in my Doctor Who guide book that lists all previous inhabitants and major villains. In the same paragraph it mentions Sutekh reigning supreme until he is stopped, at which point "The Flood" steps in. Shocking coincidence.
@justarandomguy2424
@justarandomguy2424 8 күн бұрын
that was 2047 if I remember correctly. Now what could have happened the year before I wonder? Oh right, 73 yards. another thing in 2047 if my memory serves right was the destruction of moon. I think there were a couple other episodes set in that year as well. It always leads back, been theorizing about it for years, but I think it's just a cool number
@bennettnez4711
@bennettnez4711 8 күн бұрын
@@justarandomguy2424 wow good catches! Didn't even think about any of those. I'm gonna have to rewatch some episodes!
@imaadahere
@imaadahere 8 күн бұрын
​@@justarandomguy2424there is a running 47 in joke especially in sci fi shows, so not surprised a '47 year is a focal point in Who
@whophd
@whophd 7 күн бұрын
LOVE IT
@jwessel1969
@jwessel1969 7 күн бұрын
That would be the Flood from "The Waters of Mars". Maybe there's a connection there?
@RyanHaney55
@RyanHaney55 7 күн бұрын
I think the static squiggles on a digital clock mean it's CGI and they know exactly what time is displayed. It is pretty amazing how many companion outfits Mrs. Flood has.
@philstraintravels9281
@philstraintravels9281 6 күн бұрын
Exactly, the break up of the radio display is clearly CGI. Now fair enough the audio would break up in to digital mush as anybody who has listened to DAB is almost certainly familiar with, they knew exactly what was in that shot. Out of interest, what song was playing on Radio 1? Was it just a favourite of the effects department or could it have greater meaning? I now listen to Greatest Hits Radio and have no idea what is in the hit parade or 1FM playlist.
@Rubberduckboy123
@Rubberduckboy123 8 күн бұрын
To quote the doctor “there’s no such thing as a coincidence”
@WhoCulture
@WhoCulture 8 күн бұрын
"Never ignore a coincidence, unless you're busy. In which case, always ignore a coincidence!"
@RTProductions-xp6jr
@RTProductions-xp6jr 8 күн бұрын
But what is coincidence but a form of accident ?
@gkgd1519
@gkgd1519 7 күн бұрын
Just bring carol ann ford back already in time for 15 to watch her regenerate and they go travel together now that the time war is over Alex is dead and “ all her friends are gone “ it’s sad not to include Susan 60 years on imho , as to Mrs flood rani ?? She’s disguised as an old “ grandma “ woman in the mark of the rani so whooooo knows 😊 but we’ll see why we have to wait a year I’ll never understand
@Sammelwuetiger
@Sammelwuetiger 7 күн бұрын
However, this is clearly a coincidence.
@michaeltortorice9876
@michaeltortorice9876 7 күн бұрын
My only issue with any of this the fact that Mrs. Flood was dusted like everyone else. I don't think one of the Pantheon would be as vulnerable as any normal person. But I can also fix my issue: She's somehow been locked in Human form, and that's a big part of the ongoing mystery. Rampant wild speculation has long been my favorite. Thanks, guys.
@througtonsheirs_doctorwhol5914
@througtonsheirs_doctorwhol5914 6 күн бұрын
who gets lockd in human form? time lords. And ladies. floods come from the Sea... Miss Sea. Soi i stay the course and keep thinking she is Missy. She spoke the way missy did when she was introduced
@philstraintravels9281
@philstraintravels9281 6 күн бұрын
The physical body gets dusted but as a god I assume they would or could transcend that anyway.
@SomeUniqueHandle
@SomeUniqueHandle 6 күн бұрын
The counter argument is "Even stories end." I don't like this series going against gods because the Doctor, for all his intelligence and wit, is still mortal and the ways he's beaten these gods has been rather cheesy thus far. I hate Mrs. Flood breaking the 4th Wall - I hope it turns out that she's actually addressing someone we can't see, perhaps some of her other brethern. If she is the God of Stories then I hope it does tie into The Mind Robber. That was an underrated classic.
@robo3007
@robo3007 7 күн бұрын
I'd say she's River Song. The "Flood" -> "River" name connection, the fact that she's married, her calling the Doctor "Clever Boy", the Darillium sticker on her suitcase, the way she says she's "hiding herself away" like the Doctor says Time Lords do, the lingering question of what happened to her post-Forest of the Dead now that we know genetically pure Time Lords don't have a regeneration limit... too much evidence to ignore!!!
@barbarajloriordan2697
@barbarajloriordan2697 5 сағат бұрын
This is interesting. If, as Ellie suggests, Mrs. Flood knows how stories end, that could mean that she is living time in a different way - in the other direction, from end to beginning. River Song also experiences time backward, in the opposite direction from the experience of the Doctor. Another person in a comment below spoke about Heh, the Egyptian god/dess of chaos. Heh, they said, translates as “flood.” This flood marks the beginning of the human story. River Song caused some chaos, herself.
@MollyInanna
@MollyInanna 8 күн бұрын
There's also, of course, the flicker/distortion visible on the display for those two closeups of the clock.
@LombaxOttsel
@LombaxOttsel 7 күн бұрын
Flood = water River = water Rain = water R A I N can be rescrambled into RANI. So, obviously, Mrs. Flood is Romana.
@SomeUniqueHandle
@SomeUniqueHandle 6 күн бұрын
? The Rani and Romana are two different people.
@LombaxOttsel
@LombaxOttsel 6 күн бұрын
@@SomeUniqueHandle this comment was me being super sarcastic
@8Joya8
@8Joya8 Сағат бұрын
1st gen Pond 2nd gen River 3rd gen Flooooooood
@LostinKateWinslet
@LostinKateWinslet 8 күн бұрын
So perhaps the line from the end of the Christmas special was literal? "Have you never seen a Tardis before". Mrs Flood is the Tardis in human form hence the constant references to past companions in clothing.
@nurimep
@nurimep 7 күн бұрын
Yup! You got it!
@nurimep
@nurimep 7 күн бұрын
@@jeffreytempleton3213 The Tardis is fully sentient. Check out "Wife of the Doctor" or when the Doctor explains they have to negotiate with the Tardis. Or when it tries to fight back against the Master when he takes over the Doctors body.
@damouze
@damouze 6 күн бұрын
Interesting clue!
@mcsnaga
@mcsnaga 8 күн бұрын
Much as there are people I'd like her to be, Mrs Flood didn’t recognise the TARDIS as such until it dematerialised .. so she is not anyone who has seen THIS TARDIS before.
@carolineskipper6976
@carolineskipper6976 7 күн бұрын
I keep saying this! She's clearly familiar with TARDIS's as 'things' but only recognises The Doctors one once she's seen it materialise.......
@lockskelington314
@lockskelington314 7 күн бұрын
@@carolineskipper6976 Keep in mind that the Doctor's Tardis Split in two!
@jonesnori
@jonesnori 7 күн бұрын
Well, assuming she was already this character before that, and didn't get inhabited by whomever this is partway through that episode.
@vapoet
@vapoet 7 күн бұрын
Or... And hear me out, the recognition with the dropped bags was for OUR benefit, to entertain us. She is the drama god after all.
@carolineskipper6976
@carolineskipper6976 7 күн бұрын
@@lockskelington314 But both TARDISs look the same. Both have the chameleon circuit stuck on '1950's Earth UK Police Box.
@donkeysunited
@donkeysunited 7 күн бұрын
I seem to remember that the Doctor also winked at the camera, possibly in one of the first episodes this season.
@jonesnori
@jonesnori 7 күн бұрын
You're right. He did.
@LuigiHann
@LuigiHann 6 күн бұрын
He also had the joke in The Devil's Chord about thinking the music was non-diegetic, implying that he always hears the background music of the show
@kevinc6323
@kevinc6323 5 күн бұрын
Flood = River = Pond - brings in companion references, and 'clever boy' is very River. Stories - libraries (a land of fiction, and where River is living digitally) - books - spoilers (if she knows how the stories ends). I expect this to connect back to the library & Dr Moon - closing that story loop. Just as 10 came back to close his emotional loop.
@BadgerBoy171
@BadgerBoy171 6 күн бұрын
What if Mrs. flood is the human version of the memory tardis and that is why she is wearing different companion costumes and when she says 'never seen a tardis before' she is talking about herself.
@JeremyDuncan
@JeremyDuncan 7 күн бұрын
I have a feeling Season 1 is only a glimpse of this story. I think Russell is playing an insane slowburn concerning Ruby, Mavity and Mrs. Flood. I know it could just be wishful thinking, but Russell might have a huge plan in place.
@vlarhellar
@vlarhellar 7 күн бұрын
Seeing Mrs Flood on the roof top, at the end of the series gave the image of Mary Poppins.
@maggiebrinkley4760
@maggiebrinkley4760 8 күн бұрын
All I can say is that I think Mrs Flood is amazing. The mystery of who she might be is the icing on the cake, because Anita Dobson is simply fabulous!
@MattMaloneMD
@MattMaloneMD 8 күн бұрын
The "snow" that appeared throughout the series but which was never explained might be linked to Mrs Flood up on the roof, in white, in the snow, with a white umbrella.... and a Christmas Episode on the horizon? I doubt she's "writing" the story, as she did get killed by Sutekh! Personally, I reckon this entire series has been set in a snow globe, with someone watching.... and Mrs Flood knows who.
@MrJ.Smith1234
@MrJ.Smith1234 7 күн бұрын
My theory is that Mrs Flood herself was an ordinary person before being taken over by one of the Pantheon. Before her final scene on Church on Ruby Road, she behaves like an ordinary person threw out her appearances in the Special. Then when the Doctor fixed the goblins time alteration and returned to the true time line, Mrs Flood seemed to have changed in personality. Perhaps a member of the Pantheon became aware of the time alliteration and escaped it's realm by possessing Mrs Flood.
@DJWhovian
@DJWhovian 8 күн бұрын
I suppose if she is the god of storytelling it would make the inconsistences in the Ruby's mum mystery make more sense as it would probably be that she made the story more dramatic for effect. She must have some connection to Ruby as why would she live there for so long as it seems she is well known by the street.
@TheMombo101
@TheMombo101 8 күн бұрын
I am still thinking Mrs. Flood is somehow connected to Amy Pond and River Song. Pond, River, Flood, seems pretty on the nose in my opinion. Davies did create River with Moffat writing her into stories. Both have worked on 15's stories too.
@yfmt
@yfmt 7 күн бұрын
She could be River Song and the Doctor's child. 15 being a father has been a theme during this season.
@AStupidID
@AStupidID 7 күн бұрын
Moffat came up with River Song. She was just introduced in the Davies era. But I do think Mrs Flood could link to the Ponds and River maybe :)
@TurusDJava
@TurusDJava 6 күн бұрын
And the doctor mentioned he had a granddaughter but didn't have kids yet so maybe there is a connection there it would make sense with Susan being brought up constantly the doctor seems to have never meet his kids and meet his granddaughter before even knowing he had kids
@mpsorrentino
@mpsorrentino 4 күн бұрын
Moffat created River, they already knew during her introduction that Moffat was replacing Davies at least behind the scenes, so Davies gave him full control even in casting the character.
@dragonslayer2107
@dragonslayer2107 8 күн бұрын
Mrs. Flood being the god of stories makes sense. It also makes sense that in regard to Sutekh as she might not be able to interfere with Sutekh because she cannot oppose him. Mrs. Floods' statement made it sound more like she was going to storm the gates of heaven and overthrow the god of the universe. I do not think that she is the god of time. If she was then I think that she would have been able to defeat Sutekh or keep herself from being affected by Sutekh's death wave. When it comes to a matter of power then I do not think that even Death can stand against Time. Death needs time to function.
@jd_music23
@jd_music23 7 күн бұрын
"I made a jigsaw of your life" - the toymaker said. Mrs Flood referencing and piecing together the Doctor's life to tell his story? like a jigsaw. Is she using the jigsaw?
@lbernau
@lbernau 8 күн бұрын
As to Mrs. Flood being Clara, that would explain why she's knows how it's gonna end for the Doctor. As I remember it Clara inserted herself in all of the doctors timelines... or something like that. So she would have seen a lot of things, maybe also how it ends.
@MarkGM1985
@MarkGM1985 7 күн бұрын
The state of Clara should stop her from aging, she could never look different that how we saw her in her last appearance. And she inserted herself at one moment to travel back, not to the future.
@estherholt8060
@estherholt8060 7 күн бұрын
Clara inserted herself at trensalore - where the Dr was set to die after 11 and went into every moment from his birth to trensalore. When the time lords grant him extra regenerations that timeline shifts and Clara never entered any moment after trensalore in the doctors timeline.
@MikeyBoi1984
@MikeyBoi1984 7 күн бұрын
We don't know what happened to Clara after she left. So to say the aging thing can easy be written off ​@@MarkGM1985
@MikeyBoi1984
@MikeyBoi1984 7 күн бұрын
​@@estherholt8060no, if the Dr has infinite regeneration this process does not count, after trendalor they gave back his regenerations if this was alwayseant to be his invite timeline is always part of that.
@estherholt8060
@estherholt8060 7 күн бұрын
@@MikeyBoi1984 I think rewatch s7b it's pretty well laid out that the extra regenerations in the eleventh hour were a shift and the drs gave at trensalore no longer exists.
@connorruse4599
@connorruse4599 7 күн бұрын
The Mind Robber was a Tales of the Tardis episode too, and a lot of those have ended up being linked to modern who like Pyramids of Mars, Earthshock and Curse of Fenric
@Thegaminglord4-6-7
@Thegaminglord4-6-7 8 күн бұрын
In the flux finale didn’t the doctor meet time itself? So why would they put a god in to control that rampant force?
@TheCagedCorvid
@TheCagedCorvid 8 күн бұрын
Perhaps you answered your own question there... to keep it under control.
@mattmahoney8659
@mattmahoney8659 7 күн бұрын
Maybe Mrs. Flood is that same character.
@jonesnori
@jonesnori 7 күн бұрын
​@@mattmahoney8659It was a shapeshifter, so that's perfectly possible.
@Thegaminglord4-6-7
@Thegaminglord4-6-7 7 күн бұрын
I thought about it for a bit . On second thought they wouldn’t really need a god becuese time is itself one but the first comment is equally right too.
@HerrChew
@HerrChew 8 күн бұрын
Random thought and probably totally wrong: if Mrs Flood is a Narrator, then what if she isn't a god, but is Rassilon - similar to Timothy Dalton's Rassilon in The End of Time. Rassilon has definitely seen a TARDIS before, and would know a lot about The Doctor's life enough to mimic previous companions.
@marionlawless
@marionlawless 8 күн бұрын
Dalton was initially credited as "The Narrator", too
@sarahclapp505
@sarahclapp505 8 күн бұрын
God of stories. She's Loki 😱😱😱🤣🤣🤣
@mwd5001
@mwd5001 8 күн бұрын
I love fan theories and pretty much every single one is more thought out than what the show normally gives us.
@rwrobwalker
@rwrobwalker 7 күн бұрын
100%
@giociampa
@giociampa 5 күн бұрын
Maybe so... but given those hypotheses are all based on what we've been given - they're potentially just as flawed?
@conwarlock3537
@conwarlock3537 7 күн бұрын
What might interfere with this god of time thing is that during 13's era we were told that Time itself also is some form of entity(and locked in eternal battle with space or smth like that).
@TheMrRMW
@TheMrRMW 8 күн бұрын
Got to remember at the very first time we met Mrs Flood, she didn’t recognise the tardis. It was only later on in the episode where she recognised it, makes me think something major has happened during that story. Something like Mrs flood being replaced
@TheCagedCorvid
@TheCagedCorvid 8 күн бұрын
Or possessed? For a while, I honestly thought the soul of the tardis had entered her as a way to escape Sutekh, I was wrong on that, but someone else could have slipped in...
@user-jd4wv5tj5j
@user-jd4wv5tj5j 8 күн бұрын
I was going to write exactly the same.
@TheMrRMW
@TheMrRMW 8 күн бұрын
@@TheCagedCorvid yeah exactly my thinking
@jonesnori
@jonesnori 7 күн бұрын
Mine too.
@Dave-VK5PL
@Dave-VK5PL 7 күн бұрын
Yes, she is different in the later episodes
@damouze
@damouze 6 күн бұрын
To me, the answer to the question of who Mrs. Flood is was obvious right from the start. There is one other person with such intimate knowledge about the Doctor and his Tardis, and Mrs. Flood's name pretty much is a dead ringer, although admittedly, it would be a case of "Mr. Davies, you've got some 'splainin' to do". Let's call her the Lady of Time. Let's not forget that Russel T. Davies is a master in writing plot devices that seem like misdirects at first but turn out to be red herrings all along afterwards.
@grahamcann1761
@grahamcann1761 8 күн бұрын
"God of stories", nice theory. However, my favorite is that she's a Time Lord, but which Gallifreyan? The Master? The Doctor (No, I don't think so.), The Monk, Omega, The Dream Doctor, Castellan Spandrell, Morbius, Chancellor Goth, The Rani, The Inquisitor, Tecteun? The Doctors Mum? Someone else we haven't met yet? I appreciate that Davies and Moffett enjoy the fans guesses, and can still surprise us. As always, thank you all so very much for the video. Could Mrs. Flood be Carla Oswald? Might she be Ashildr? (Probably not, but it's fun to speculate.) (I've previously guessed Susan, and Melody Pond.)
@shannonsmith924
@shannonsmith924 7 күн бұрын
I’m convinced they’re bringing The Rani back. The Rani loves disguises. The fact they brought Mel back was my immediate thought, as Rani once disguised herself as Mel. Rani also seems to love makeup and being sneaky with her plots. If she wanted to get close to the Doctor, he would never suspect her till she finally revealed herself.
@Theseus314
@Theseus314 8 күн бұрын
There have been a few moments in this series where I think it is hinted that continuity is breaking down - like you touched on with the clock, and wow I did not notice that in my watching at the time. And I don't read it as being by accident. Like how in the second episode I think there was a fairly throw away line when Doctor says to Ruby something like "This has been what? Six months for you". That's not a line that makes the cut by mistake. And it can be edited out if there's a reshuffles of episodes after filming
@FailingWTF
@FailingWTF 5 күн бұрын
this. whoculuture even mentioned things could have been taken out of order in a criticism of how little bonding time had been between the doctor and ruby but they were acting like bffs. I think they specifically mentioned they thought it could be episodes were slipping order chronologically on purpose.
@RespawnGod
@RespawnGod 7 күн бұрын
I feel like I've said this a few times now but Maestro definitely refers to a being called Temporal as something of a renegade god
@RadianRebel
@RadianRebel 8 күн бұрын
If she is the god of time then could we possibly be seeing Kronos from the Jon Pertwee story The Time Monster? Or could that even be her? Kronos was a woman in that story. Fun fact about The Time Monster. One of the characters was supposed to have a cat but every time Delgado was in a scene with the cat it would hiss at him. So they had to fire the cat for not being friendly. If you watch the story on DVD/Blu-ray with the Info Text turned on you can find all sorts of stuff about the show.
@giociampa
@giociampa 5 күн бұрын
(Spoilers! lol) I'm going through the iPlayer episodes at the moment - that's the one I just reached.
@vultan2000
@vultan2000 8 күн бұрын
Flood - hydroelectric power - electrical watts - Angie Watts!
@THESHORTBOXFULL
@THESHORTBOXFULL 7 күн бұрын
You've been reading Russell's dream diary again, haven't you..... HAVEN'T YOU!! 😮
@doro626
@doro626 7 күн бұрын
I was hoping you would show the first time we meet Mrs. Flood and she DOESNT know what the Tardis is. I'm wondering if she got replaced by something.
@wokedragon3211
@wokedragon3211 4 күн бұрын
What if Mrs. Flood is the God of companionship it would explain the clothing and the fourth wall breaking as if she is talking to us the other companions on the adventure?
@calamityganon8114
@calamityganon8114 7 күн бұрын
15’s final episode should be named “absolute terror”
@chrisdiokno5600
@chrisdiokno5600 2 күн бұрын
Her line in Empire of Death, in regard to how she will storm the gates of gold against Sutekh, was interesting
@DneilB007
@DneilB007 8 күн бұрын
One more thing about the God of Stories bit: the person in charge of the Land of Fiction was not credited as the God of Stories (because of course not, it was the 60s); but it might be worth noting that they were credited as The Master. Not “of stories” mind, just The Master. And someone picked up that gold tooth….
@lexruptor
@lexruptor 7 күн бұрын
Ok, but why didn't she know at first? Misses Flood had no clue what the Tardis was until The Doctor went back to save baby Ruby, then suddenly she was like this, knowing things, breaking the 4th wall, etc, ya know? So what changed? I'm super down for her being a Clara, she lept into his timestream, as he said, "even the days I (he) hasn't lived yet", so hypothetically there should be just as many Clara's as there were Susan Triad's, if not significantly more, since A, timeless child, and B, Sutekh was only from Baker to Ncuti, Clara's the whole timeline, right? But something definitely changed between the beginning of Church on Ruby Road and The Doctor going back to save baby Ruby, so how could it be a Clara, if it was a Clara, she wouldn't know The Doctor, would've met him, got caught up in some bs, and probably die saving 15, it just doesn't add up to Misses Flood, so my bet is, as cool and possible as it would be, she's not a Clara.
@bretth342
@bretth342 7 күн бұрын
If she is the god of stories - and specifically the Doctor's story - it would make a lot of sense for their appearance to take the form of the amalgamation of the Doctor's companions
@Stikkybug
@Stikkybug 5 күн бұрын
Might sound crazy but what if she is river? As pond went to river, river could easily transfer to flood. What if her first name is carol or something? It would just make sense as well as she can and has moved through the doctors past and future
@TheLukecottle
@TheLukecottle 6 күн бұрын
Just remember also that Maestro also broke the fourth wall sometimes too. ALSO... the hand that grabbed the toy maker's golden tooth. Came from the screen "from behind the camera" so could Mrs flood have been the one to grab that tooth? maybe she's the one tying it all together? The toymaker says about "the one who waits" that's someone else's game. What if he wasn't talking about it being Sutekh's game but Mrs floods?
@LuigiHann
@LuigiHann 6 күн бұрын
I think the direct fourth-wall-breaking is a shared trait of the Pantheon gods, at least as depicted in this era. Maestro in particular addresses the camera and plays the theme song on the piano. Toymaker also hams it up for the camera, with several shots of actions performed for nobody's benefit but the audience. Sutekh much less so, but his obsession with the season's mystery does place him a little outside the story. Toymaker and Sutekh also share a quirky control over screens and displays. So I do take Mrs. Flood's narration as indication she's one of the Gods, and not necessarily one related to storytelling specifically.
@ajandu_marvel
@ajandu_marvel 7 күн бұрын
Mrs flood can’t be Clara because Clara can’t age. She’s stuck between her last heartbeat and death
@SammyInTheCloud
@SammyInTheCloud 8 күн бұрын
In terms of sci-fi breaking the 4th wall and doing it well, I'd fully recommend the Red Dwarf 2009 story 'Back To Earth'. However, I'm not sure it works for Doctor Who
@badfairy9554
@badfairy9554 7 күн бұрын
Peter did that.
@andrewwalker1496
@andrewwalker1496 3 күн бұрын
@@badfairy9554In e.g. 'In Under The Lake' and 'Before the Flood'. Bootstrap Paradox! I wonder...
@badfairy9554
@badfairy9554 3 күн бұрын
@@andrewwalker1496 love the bootstrap paradox.
@Lange888888
@Lange888888 4 күн бұрын
Your theory about the ultimate 4th wall break and meeting her maker reminded me of a famous Supernatural episode, where the antagonists are transported to a universe where they’re actors filming a show called Supernatural. Meta.
@jesteratlargefamilyenterta5236
@jesteratlargefamilyenterta5236 4 күн бұрын
I can't shake the Mary Poppins vibe of her in that last scene. I know its reminiscent of Romana, but I half expected her to float off into the skyline with her feet pointed outward as she sang some cheery Disney like song.
@Steaminghotchocolate
@Steaminghotchocolate 7 күн бұрын
An (admittedly very flimsy) idea I had was that maybe Mrs flood is like the memory TARDIS. But instead of being a memory of the TARDIS she's a memory of every companion that ever was
@ugolomb
@ugolomb Күн бұрын
two points occur to me. First, the notion of Mrs Flood's "Maker" being RTD ties in with a notion I've had for a while, for a Doctor Who spoof (a-la "Curse of Fatal Death") in which the main villain is called The Showrunner. Second is a continuity question which the clock issue reminded me of: from the point of view of everybody who was revived after Sutetkh's defeat, how much time has passed from their deaths to their resurrections? From the Doctor's point of view, it took him anything from many hours to many days or more to defeat Sutekh; yet it seems that, once he did defeat him in each and every time frame he visited, time re-set itself so that, from (say) Kate's point of view, mere seconds have passed between her demise and her return. This is strongly suggested but (as far as I could tell) never made explicit
@KenKopin
@KenKopin 7 күн бұрын
I am a little bit afraid that all of this is happening within the "Mavity" Universe, and there is the biggest Big Red Button coming that takes the entire first season with it.
@jonathanbrett-warren2031
@jonathanbrett-warren2031 7 күн бұрын
Omg, I so missed the clocks thing! Thank you, again, Ellie for pointing out this detail. You have such a keen eye! I'm 100% sure this will have some meaning in the next season. Loving your videos! :)
@vapoet
@vapoet 7 күн бұрын
You are running with my drama god theory! I must have typed that theory all over KZfaq and Twitter a hundred times. It explained the 4th wall breaks perfectly! I thought no one heard it.
@Wheeliam_Ironside
@Wheeliam_Ironside 6 күн бұрын
Wait what if she’s just Clara?! She has canonically seen every version of the doctor in every moment of his life. She has her own tardis and yeah she did have time basically stopped for her…but i don’t see it being outside the realm of some wibbly wobbly explanation. Man that would be so cool
@JonathonSwinney2814
@JonathonSwinney2814 6 күн бұрын
I think Mrs. Flood is Hecuba. She played games of time after all and if we're on it, it's on brand for bringing back classic villains.
@user-hw8bc3oi4v
@user-hw8bc3oi4v 6 күн бұрын
Dude I saw this theory that she’s Romana and now im gonna be devastated when I find out she isn’t 😢
@lmackenzie89
@lmackenzie89 5 күн бұрын
Mrs Flood's fourth wall breaking will link bank to the 1st Doctor breaking the fourth wall in the original christmas special
@davidjunk6117
@davidjunk6117 7 күн бұрын
I still maintain that there's something up with her name. Ms Flood ---> River Song ----> Amy Pond. Also, for those who mentioned 'The One Who Waits'... Amy Pond was literally called 'The Girl Who Waited'. (I'm not saying that I ENJOY this theory but it checks the boxes far too well)
@weimaj
@weimaj 7 күн бұрын
"Not sure how they'd do that without being a bit cheesy"? Doctor Who being cheesy? Never in a million years.
@gabrielfrancisco7161
@gabrielfrancisco7161 8 күн бұрын
It would be amazing if in the end they reveal that Mr. Flood is in fact, a Whovian.
@BloodyAngel88
@BloodyAngel88 8 күн бұрын
@@gabrielfrancisco7161 I have my doubts she would be a Whovian. You’d think the Doctor would’ve sensed something.
@judithstrachan9399
@judithstrachan9399 7 күн бұрын
@@BloodyAngel88so there goes the Ellie-in-disguise theory?
@Snuzzled
@Snuzzled 5 күн бұрын
I'm just remembering when everyone thought that 11 wearing his jacket again after taking it off in The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone and how everyone thought it was a continuity error..... until The Big Bang airs and suddenly it all makes sense. I know I'm not the first one to think of this or even bring it up, but yeah. That clock being so strange and so obvious? It's definitely gonna matter _at_ _some_ _point_
@Sponge6Pack
@Sponge6Pack 6 күн бұрын
FOR THE LAST GODDAM TIME SHE IS THE TARDIS THATS WHY SHE REMEMBERS ALL THE COMPANION'S CLOTHES AND HAS ALL THE SITCKERS ON HER SUITCASE
@bart2477
@bart2477 5 күн бұрын
Nah
@Sponge6Pack
@Sponge6Pack 5 күн бұрын
@@bart2477 it is GOOD theory
@jd_music23
@jd_music23 7 күн бұрын
I love this theory about the the god of stories. I mean she lived beside Ruby and now that her story is finished she's packed her case and is leaving. Bet she'll be living beside our next companion in the next series.
@lukefrew631
@lukefrew631 5 күн бұрын
Missed opportunity to cast Hannah Spearritt (S Club) as Ruby’s mum. She also looked very much like Astrid (Kylie Minogue).
@tenzhitihsien888
@tenzhitihsien888 7 күн бұрын
I didn't even recall Romana's outfit. I saw Mrs. Flood in all bright white and immediately thought "White Guardian"...
@Xocarek
@Xocarek 6 күн бұрын
I think you got it right when you said Mrs. Flood was referring to Russell as Cherry's maker. Of course he would do the most cheesy thing you can imagine. 😂😂
@EthanKristopherHartley
@EthanKristopherHartley 7 күн бұрын
Be careful getting too attached Ellie. Remember what happened the last time The Doctor ended up facing Gods plural. Fenric, The Old Gods, (and the plan was to include Weyland and some other Gaelic/Celtic/Early Brit Gods). "Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, somewhere else the tea's getting cold! Come on Ace, we've got work to do."
@gonzotown9438
@gonzotown9438 3 күн бұрын
With a name like Flood, I assume a connection to River SONG AND Melody POND. And River also had a joking 4th wall with her references to spoilers
@RikBooker
@RikBooker 8 күн бұрын
To quote Rava (from Seinfeld) “There is no such thing as small coincidences and big coincidences”.
@harveyburton7
@harveyburton7 8 күн бұрын
Think you've hit the nail on the head with the god of time theory
@GREENSABER2010
@GREENSABER2010 8 күн бұрын
agreed
@rustybrooks8916
@rustybrooks8916 8 күн бұрын
Maybe, but is the god of time the same thing as the entity Time that was the thing the main villains of the previous season worshiped? They were trying to release Time from being partially imprisoned on the planet Time. The Doctor did speak to the entity Time and it made some vague statements about how the Doctors days or numbered or some such.
@DucksDraw
@DucksDraw 8 күн бұрын
I like it the doctor may be the time lord but not the time god also that could be a way to retcon timeless child saying that she it the timeless child
@rozzgrey801
@rozzgrey801 6 күн бұрын
It could be that Davis is pulling the same trick he used with Ruby's mother, hype it all up to be something really amazing, but then say she's just ordinary and was only special as we were fooled into believing it.
@GoombaTed
@GoombaTed 7 күн бұрын
I think the mind robber idea is a good shout because why would they use that specific story for the second doctor in tales of the TARDIS unless they thought it was good for modern audiences to get familiar with it. On a personal note, I would love for Flood to be some sort of god of story telling. One story idea I have always liked comes from the Spiderman cartoon from the 90s where Spiderman goes to an alternative reality(ours) and finds out he is created by Stan Lee. Imagine the doctor finding out someone else has purposely decided all the pain he has gone through is just for good story telling. Imagine 15 meeting Gatwa.
@PetarNNenkovski
@PetarNNenkovski 7 күн бұрын
I'm wrong on a lot of these, but Ms. Flood seems a lot like Ra, he is all knowing and he is the wisest and the oldest so this kind of goes into that direction for me.
@amirmahadeo56
@amirmahadeo56 7 күн бұрын
It could also be clara herself being a little silly... I mean she did see every moment in the doctors life prior to her meeting him when she went into his time stream. Maybe she got her heart beating again, got some greys and then said bye to Me and found the doctor to just be a little silly
@lilysaka
@lilysaka 6 күн бұрын
ngl when she started talking all ominous to cherry about storming the gates of gold. I thought she was going to be the beast. seemed fitting for the literal devil.
@BrunoCaruso-wz7pg
@BrunoCaruso-wz7pg 7 күн бұрын
I would LOVE to Ms. FLOOD being related somehow to Amy POND or RIVER Song...her name being Ms. Flood but not having anything with water and having something to do with knowing things, keeping everything a secret until the time comes and referencing many things about The Doctor (specially the "TARDIS-blue" door) is SO in-character for River...but Ms. Flood feels very very evil, so I really don´t know how River could be evil or anything like that...
@RH1812
@RH1812 8 күн бұрын
Transuranic, heavy elements may not be used where there is life... Sapphire and Steele have been assigned
@JudithARobinson
@JudithARobinson 7 күн бұрын
Wow! Was not expecting a Sapphire and Steele reference here!!!
@richardsteele8161
@richardsteele8161 4 күн бұрын
@@JudithARobinson No relation.
@rob27dap26
@rob27dap26 2 күн бұрын
25 min is the running time for most of the classic series
@TokenDrew
@TokenDrew 7 күн бұрын
There's no way she's Clara. Clara is stuck in the moment before her death, did everyone forget that?
@velinarsh
@velinarsh 7 күн бұрын
What if the 4th wall breaks aren't really 4th wall breaks? What if Mrs. Flood is talking to someone and we just a camera angle that throws all of us off the scent?
@sofielinneariemke4452
@sofielinneariemke4452 7 күн бұрын
I still believe, that she is also a daughter of Sutekh (what also makes sense in this case), because I still think she is Lindy. I mean, Susan Triad was kind of her Mother. And Susan was just a tool of Sutekh…
@davidward5968
@davidward5968 7 күн бұрын
I agree about the concerns with fourth wall breaks, done well, (Deadpool), they can elevate a story, done badly (She-Hulk, MCU), they become a farce.
@vapoet
@vapoet 7 күн бұрын
"I do not believe all that happened in 25 minutes." Was it 25 minutes to the viewer? We may be dealing with a god aware that there is an audience so it could be that meta.
@judithstrachan9399
@judithstrachan9399 7 күн бұрын
I did think it might be 24 hours & 25 min. Not likely, I know.
@TheNoteblockLizard
@TheNoteblockLizard 7 күн бұрын
Why does mention of "The Land of Fiction" make me think Disney might stick some of their characters and stories in "Once Upon A Time" Style? If it were brought back that is...
@chrismurray5846
@chrismurray5846 6 күн бұрын
Imagine if they just went full Red Dwarf and she becomes aware she's in a show and escapes the TV to talk to herself on the set of East Enders "I want more life, smeghead!"
@estherholt8060
@estherholt8060 7 күн бұрын
Why is no one talking about the pond-river-flood connection. Somewhere in time, the doctor has a child, and susan has a parent - that could very well be rivers child. Her knowledge of the doctors story can be explained as spoilers.
@dannyhughes9299
@dannyhughes9299 7 күн бұрын
I have I thought about Miss Flood. In previous seasons it has been said that the Tardis is grown. When something is grown one needs a parent like a mother, what if Mrs. Flood is the Mommy of the Tardis or all Tardises? One of the previous Doctor's Tardis was incarnated as a woman, so Mrs. Flood could be Mommy. Just a thought.
@jereico7587
@jereico7587 8 күн бұрын
I hope she doesn't turn out to be the God of Stories because Marvel just did that with Loki in Season 2 and I don't want people to see Doctor Who as "just copying Marvel" now......especially after everyone turned to dust and then "de-dusted" at the end of this season the same as Avengers.
@davidwhitfield6025
@davidwhitfield6025 6 күн бұрын
Mrs Flood could also be a return of Kronos the "chronovore", a creature from outside time that feeds on it featured in the 3rd Doctor episodes Time Monster. That might explain time seeming to slow - it was actually being consumed/shortened around her.
@little-wytch
@little-wytch 6 күн бұрын
Not super related, but this got me thinking about some ways that Clara might have survived the Raven... maybe in her travel back to Gallifrey "the long way around" she got herself cloned and the clone took on the shade... or maybe the way she was scattered across time only to be stitched back together by the Doctor fundamentally changed her somehow in a way that allowed her to survive the raven?
@toyloliSpare
@toyloliSpare 7 күн бұрын
I have a super out there pitch. Mrs Flood is the in universe version of Verity Lambert. In "Rememberance of the Daleks" it was lore dropped there is a science fiction show called "Doctor ____". Mrs Flood is a timelord, and created the in universe show "Doctor When" and we're going to see this being filmed at some point. Bonus points if Rowan Atkinson is playing Doctor When.
@grayr5817
@grayr5817 7 күн бұрын
Spoilers sweetie Mrs Flood is married. She’s married to the doctor. It is River song, rivers flood. The gods are controlled by the master who has yet to return, he has master has also been referenced.
@albinowolf8556
@albinowolf8556 4 күн бұрын
I think shes just the master after the toy maker's gold tooth was picked up by an older female hand and she acts like the master does...just setting up chess pieces and waiting to strike
@mil9102
@mil9102 8 күн бұрын
Also, Rose complained that UNIT had her investigating shoplifting in Catford. If you steal something from Catford, a T maybe, you are left with C. A. Ford. COINCIDENCE?? Almost definitely.
@miltonjg
@miltonjg 7 күн бұрын
Has anyone suggested a Gods of Ragnarok adjacency for Mrs Flood. She could be breaking the fourth wall not towards the real-world audience but towards a Gods of Ragnarok audience using the Doctor's adventures as entertainment. And they would fit in the whole Pantheon thing.
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