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@@WhoCulture So overrated🙄🙄

Douche

The most deserved pin of shame.

Thank you 😊. Another civilised individual who actually understands the beauty of The Rings Of Akhaten. It’s my favourite Smith era episode for how beautiful it is. Xx

That was how I read it on the first watch, though I also thought "did no one else during all those years ever bring an item that represented their lost loved ones?" And upon a rewatch the way the Doctor looks at her made me wonder if maybe he was being kind, thinking that it shouldn't have worked but went along with it for Clara's sake. And that the reason it did work was because when the Doctor went after Clara in his own timestream where he sends the leaf to Clara so that he could pinpoint her location. That was meant to be the explanation. Granted how that whole thing worked doesn't make much sense. Why wouldn't the Doctor himself get spread all across the timeline like Clara did, how did he get the leaf to begin with. How was he able to bring them both out after she for whatever reason passed out. That last chunk of name of the doctor really was Moffat having to write himself into a corner because no contracts were signed for the 50th when he wrote it. So he needed to have the back up story of Clara meeting alternate versions of possible Doctors in various timelines. And then felt like he either forgot to write a scene having the two discuss the leaf. Or just wanted to leave anything that had to do with the impossible girl ark behind once he could actually write the ending.

I think it takes losing someone who was your whole world, like a very beloved mother or such, to understand the weight of all of those infinite "could have beens" if that person had lived longer. It's been 9 years since my mother died, and yet I still mourn the fact that she missed my youngest son's birth by 4 months and 27 days - and he's the child who is the most brilliant, ornery, emotional, talented, and fantastic of all 9 of my kids... and I know she would have loved him so much, and he would have loved her so much, too. The leaf in my life is found in him, and it is embodied in the five locks of white hair he was born with in the midst of his blond hair that have remained a light blond as the rest of his hair has gotten darker. It looked like she had placed her fingertips on the crown of his baby head just before he was born, because our hands were the same size and my fingertips fit the spots exactly, and I believe she blessed him right before birth since she couldn't be there for him.

I do understand the sentiment in what you're saying, but the Doctor means so much to so many people. He has created and allowed billions of futures. He carries the weight of the whole universe with him, past, present, and future.

Also, it just makes one of Matt Smith's greatest performances seem redundant in the way that it is presented.

I agree, it's one of Moffat's best. Saying it's overrated because it ignores The Doctor's relationship with Rose is ridiculous to me, I wish more episodes ignored The Doctor's relationship with Rose 😂

Don't forget the twist that the Doctor never works out why the clockwork robots chose Madame de Pompadour... But the audience sees why in the closing shots. Pure genius.

Also, The Doctor didn't trap himself in the past because he was choosing Madame de Pompadour over Rose, he did it to trap the clockwork robots in the past as severing their link to the ship took away their reason for existence.

GitFP would have been amazing as a companion-free Doctor Special similar to Waters of Mars or Next Doctor. But abandoning Rose and Mickey to starve to death in space to go groom and snog Pompadour was truly awful behavior from 10. WhoCulture is 100% right to put this at the top of the list.

@@RuptimusPrimeI mean, I hated the TenRose ship too but put the relationship aside - knowingly leaving your companions stranded in space is shitty behavior regardless of romance. At least he could have set up Protocol 1 to take them home before jumping on the horse...

Listen is boring, but I agree for the Girl in the fireplace

I'm honestly really glad someone has pointed out the glaringly obvious about The Girl in the Fireplace. I've been saying this for years, the entire episode is written like it's totally standalone, which for most elements of the series, this works. But when you're trying to establish a multi-series romance between two characters, having a one-off love interest episode creates some major dissonance, when repercussions are not addressed at all in relation to the on-going arc. Taken on its own, it's a fine enough story--but it's not entirely on its own, and Moffatt really should've known this when writing it.

@@chickensandwichman5443 i agree. Although I feel RTD is more to blame than Moffat here as RTD approved it and as show runner it was up to him to make his series have the correct arc/feel consistent etc. He could have easily requested a rewrite or at least have them address it later in the series.

I agree

Personally I don’t believe in either. It leads to people being told their favorite episode sucks. People should just let others enjoy the show and not talk down on someone just because their opinions differ

@@DogsAreTheBest312 Starts unwanted arguments between friends and relatives. Don't go there.

i didnt know that was a word

Yeah, I've always felt "Overrated" to be an invalid criticism. The whole point of critiquing is to improve the art piece. What is anyone supposed to do with "Most people like this, even though it's not _that_ great"?

Listen would honestly be in my top 10.

Yeah. I was surprised to see it on this list tbh. I definitely agree with points they make the whole danny/clara drama is really contrived and just feels like the random divorce subplot in Asylum of the Daleks i.e. infuriating drama that comes out of nowhere for the sake of drama (man can't write romance) but the rest of it really is a masterpiece and I feel those scenes don't detract from the good as they're just kind of inconsequential to the episode. It's as beautiful as it is scary and mysterious.

Have a good look at the TARDIS interior at the beginning of this episode: candels all around - there is a deleted scene, where all those candels are really burning to catch any draught a HIDDEN creature might produce (is there no air-conditioning in the console room?). But those optics are to near to Peter Capaldi's Angel Islington role in Neil Gaiman's 1996 tv mini-series "Neverwhere". Candles in the darkness of a cavernous space (TARDIS / London Underground) together with a trapped monster. Happened a lot to the 12th Doctor, that he is viewing the world as a battleground for fighting evil and monsters and NOT all of those encounters meet these criteria: "Ups, there is no evil plan - I don't know how to react"

I don't think it's because people didn't get it. I think it's, like she said in the video, because that future scene at the end just throws the atmosphere out the window, and a lot of people (myself included) think it ruins the whole episode, which was great up to this point. I agree it's not overrated, though. I know more people that dislike it than people who like it.

I get it, and the first half (approximately) is real good, and probably why most people like it. But the last half goes downhill, and fast It goes off track, and takes me out of the story I have watched it a couple more times, and I like the start even better, but dislike the rest even more So it feels overrated to me, but if someone likes it, and if it’s in their top 5 or whatever, that’s cool. Enjoy it. But it’s not in my top 5, or even close. And Capaldi is my favourite Doctor

Ellie hates the 12th. Cause he's not dreamy enough. And, furthermore, old and Scottish. Awful, right?

@@dmitriiglass awww, that’s not true! Peter Capaldi is very handsome! 😻 12 is the perfect doctor for me (but I am rather biased)❤️

Only fake fans (NMDs and bigots) have that "opinion" on the JW era. True fans know otherwise.

Preach. The Jodie episodes mentioned were some of her better ones but nobody’s singing their praises in the same breath as heaven sent or blink, surely to be overrated they should be celebrated to the point where you’re like “I don’t get it”? Like woman who fell to earth, one of Jodie’s better ones but nobody’s under any illusion that it’s not a patch on 11th hour.

Well, The Woman Who Fell to Earth currently has a 7/10 on IMDb. So I'd say that's definitely overrated! 5.7 at best imo - I thought it was really lackluster, like most of the Chibnall era

@@richardgurney1844 Said no-one with a brain ever. Your inability to spell "lacklustre" (let alone use it correctly) is simply further proof of your absence of working brain.

@@richardgurney1844 7/10 is overrated but I am surprised that's so high and it might speak to a difference between IMDB's audience and the hardcore fandom.

Capaldi might be the best doctor out of all 15 listen is good but not even the best of his weakest seasons imo

True

You're only allowed bullying the 13th Doctor

@@Luke88888Nope. No Doctor should be bullied, just like no creature at all should be bullied.

That's what happened to me, Girl in the fireplace was my first episode of DW ever and it started my Whoian career. Since then, I watched whole series, listening to Big Finish audios and more. 😃

It's great, but I think the video just means that it isn't quite as good as people make it out to be, and doesn't compare to Blink, Midnight, Hell Bent, etc.

It's Ellie from Whoculture. Her choices are garbage by default.

The Idiot's Lantern

I wasn’t super happy with a lot of the Capaldi episodes, always thought he deserved better writing. He was an excellent, cantankerous Doctor, and they never really wrote to his abilities, which is a shame.

It is quite widely regarded as not being a good episode anyway so i don't get how it can be overrated when it isn't liked anyway.

I think completely the opposite 😅 (All the 13th Doctor eposides are rubbish)

@@Luke88888 and that's what is great . Everyone has different opinions and tastes. While season 11 was up and down I like season 12 (except orphan 55 which I hated) and while flux had issues I have loads of fun with it and the first four episodes are great.

@@Luke88888There are no "eposides" because there is no such word. Fake fans like you are not welcome. Leave.

​@@DrWhoFanJI think you're the fake fan, because if you had seen the previous seasons, you would probably agree that the 13th Doctor is by far the worst one

@@Luke88888 I’ve seen all _Doctor Who_ between 1963 and 2023, and I know that nothing you’ve said anywhere in this chain is even remotely truthful.

Agreed! 🙈😊

Agreed, Rose was a fantastic introductory episode. It doesn’t hold up so well over time, maybe that’s more what this list was about.

the vfx were crappy even then considering the next episode was the end of the world. not to mention that it only has enough plot to fill a standard 24 minute episode. the remaining 20 minutes is just filler. the 11th hour however makes great use of its entire hour long run time as it's constantly doing something to advance the plot. the only thing remotely close to filler in it is the scene of the doctor eating various dishes and throwing them away. and unlike rose, the episode has a plot that's actually engaging enough for you to want to watch it, with an interesting set of two different threats done in a similar way to smith and jones, it even adds to the shadow proclamation as an idea, saying that it's not just the judoon and other humanoids we see in the RTD era, but special prison guards too. Moffat made better use of the autons in the big bang, than RTD did in rose, and that's despite the fact that rory is the only auton in the big bang

I agree with the video. "Rose" is pretty cringey, and though I quite like Eccleston's Doctor (and am very thankful to him for selling the character and the show to an audience who could easily have reacted similarly as to the '90s movie), I think Series 1 is pretty weak, and I'm kind of embarrassed to start people there. And you can't really start with Series 2, even with the arrival of a new Doctor, as it so much a continuation of Series 1. I do think that Series 5, taken in a vacuum, would be perfectly good to jump into, but you'd be skipping too much good stuff, and the show becomes increasingly lost up its own ass in the series that follow. So there unfortunately isn't a great place to start NuWho.

Agreed! Rose was my first episode, and it’s perfect for someone who knows nothing about the shows history like I did at the time. Tbh I think it’s here because Ellie seems to hate Rose. The character not the episode

I feel your pain lol

It's in the thumbnail lmao

It's just you

It gives clicks and comments.

Not being into the multi-series romance at all (Rose was a teenager and the Doctor a superhumanly intelligent 900-year-old time traveler; you don't have to be uptight about such things to find that pretty icky), I welcomed the shift in focus. I'll admit that it doesn't seem to square with how Rose behaved in "School Reunion", but emotions can be fickle, with people seemingly randomly reacting very differently to similar situations... and the situations had some major differences. While "School Reunion" may have involved aliens, it was on modern day Earth in a school, so familiar terrain for Rose. That's quite different from creepy spaceship with windows into 18th century France, and may have helped explain her being in a different headspace. So could Mickey's presence. And she could've grown a bit after coming to terms with Sarah Jane and what she represents (or just not had the emotional energy to repeat the process). And Reinette could've seemed strange and figuratively (in addition to literally) foreign to her, especially since she didn't interact with her much. I do think it was still weak in terms of continuity, and that such things should've been touched on or at least hinted at if they were in play, but in terms of headcanon, explanations aren't hard to find. In any case, Sophia Myles's performance as Reinette and the chemistry she had with Tennant's Doctor were so amazing that I hardly care about the other stuff... except for the Doctor's utter stupidity of going through the fireplace without Reinette and not expecting time to skip again, like it had been repeatedly doing throughout the episode. When I first watched the episode, I was like "What are you doing?!?!" before anything even happened, because it was so obviously a danger. _That_ is what mars the episode for me. _That_ is the thing I can't get over. It's still a really good episode overall, but there's always that "but..." in there anytime I think about it, and that's tragic. The RTD-era Moffat story I think is dramatically overrated is "The Empty Child" / "The Doctor Dances". I honestly don't even like it that much, and everybody's fondness for it baffles me.

Yes this entirely. It’s a decent episode… if you ignore literally the overarching arc of the past two series. Also, like the River Song arc, the “romance” makes no sense and feels forced in

@@DogsAreTheBest312 Yeah, Silence in the Library isn't really part of the RTD era; it is the prologue to the Moffat era.

Congrats! The Doctor would be proud 😁

Let's Kill Hitler isn't overrated though. It's quite a divisive episode

@@danthemeegs8751I don't think it's really even divisive, just universally disliked.

True. At last, someone reasonable

@@Luke88888 ikr thankyou

It shouldn't have been there

Agreed one of the best episodes

It's absolutely overrated

Thanks fuck for that. It's annoying when River does that. When it's the girl with the most annoying voice it's unbearable.

😂

I agree with you

She hates Tennant with passion. Which is very noticeable in all the negative lists.

It's nice to see a comment from a fan of the classic era. I found Resurrection of the Daleks disappointing. The violence is gratuitous, there's too much stuff to fit into 4 episodes, and it makes no sense for the Daleks to hide a bomb on Earth.

It’s a completely subjective list and it is coming from a channel dedicated to doctor who with a team that is clearly bananas (good source of potassium btw) about it. I know what you’re getting at, because people nowadays love to critique things and there are in fact whole channels which have nothing but videos complaining about modern television, but this channel certainly isn’t one of them. If anything, a true fan is willing to open up these kinds of discussions about the potential shortcomings of a film/series instead of just blindly acting like all 10+ series are utter perfection. The list was done in a respectful way in my opinion, even if I disagree with some of the picks.

...mate, have you ever interacted with a British person? This kind of kvetching is how you know they really like something; sincere, hand-on-heart gushing makes them uncomfortable. Also, every single one of these entries goes out of its way to emphasize some good parts about the episodes in question.

Criticism can be constructive

The Idiot's Lantern remains one of my favourite episodes of doctor who! 😊😊

I'm with you except for idiots lantern . Absolutely horrible. I'm not a huge fan of rose but it does the job well enough.

@@sbi168 The only problem i have with was where it was place in the Schedule. It was sandwhich inbetween the Age of Steel/ Rise of the Cybermen and The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit two very good two part stories. That causes it to get over looked.

I agree

Agree with all but Spyfall and Asylum of the Daleks

I disagree for Rose, Journey's end and Midnight (one of the best episodes ever, with a low budget, that's what doctor who is made of)

@@Luke88888 I like Midnight. I just can't stand the extra characters. I find it a bit off putting

Midnight might be the single greatest episode that I absolutely cannot stand to rewatch. I know the people on the bus don't know the Doctor like we do but he's CLEARLY the only one who knows what's going on. Even if you suspect he's posessed you keep him alive in case he knows/has anything useful.

@@bretth342 I understand why they are like that. Human paranoia taking over and stuff. But the characters and honestly the copying in the early point of the episode is just annoying

10 was amazing.

Nonsense