The actual truth is, we can both have the exact same rife and use the exact same bullets from the same box, one rifle will shoot them different then the other. Each rifle is it’s own bullet launcher and it will prefer certain bullets that another rifle will not shoot as well. Even if that rifle shoots say 165 gr from one lot it might not shoot as well with the same bullet from a different lot.

That Bushnell Banner is actually a tried and proven scope, Bushnell has made and sold it for lots of years, it comes with a lifetime warranty

My old Savage 30-06 really liked the 165 gr best but the 180’s shot well enough, just lower. It was pretty good with 150’s too. That was a sweet rifle that I gave to a family member. It’s trigger was amazing!

Best man on social media to get information on bing bangs, and boo lots he tries out. Thanks for honest videos that help us hunters and shooters of all kinds. YA DA MAN WHO TEE WHO. 🎥💯👍🙏🏻

I have the same exact rifle. My other 308s tend to prefer the 168, but the ruger American does very much like the 150s. Refloated the barrel and reinforced the stock and getting 1/2 inch groups @ 100yds. Poor man's precision rifle.

Weight vs speed vs energy...Should be an interesting one!

I have an ultra cheap boolot slinger in size 308 that shoots crazy good. Took her to the range one day with 4 or 5 different brands of candy all in 150g. Mixed them up randomly in the magazine... it put them all inside an inch. 😎👍

Have the same exact rifle in 308 with a Bshnell Banner 3-9 scope. What an excellent budget deer setup. Keep up the great work!

I do have to say my most impressive shot group was with Smith&Wesson AR10 sport ll with 5R Rifling, using 150GR Hornady American White Tail, all 5 shots at 100 yards were in bullseye and completely removed the orange bulls eye 🎯

My .308 is the same, WTW! I tried a number of bullet weights, and different brands. I tried a bunch of Hornady and my Weatherby spit them everywhere. Then I went to Federal and Norma and I shot sub-MOA with both! Both at 150 grain. Anything higher and I spray rounds to 2-3 inch groups! Love the content! Real world stuff here

Normally I’m only looking for minute of man or deer. Ive found most ammo is good enough at 100-150 yds. Which in my deer woods , works just fine for me.

When I buy a new rifle I buy every brand and weight of factory ammo in that caliber I can find until I find what it likes to eat! I have a Savage .270 that just would not group anything, better than 3”, until I found some Hornady Outfitter, which uses a 130 grain solid copper bullet, and it shot a 1/2” group at 100 yards with that. Hand loading is a little different. If I want to use a heavy 180 grain bullet in my 30.06, which loves factory 150 grain bullets, I can fine tune a load that will shoot the heavier bullets.

It would almost be nice if bullet manufactures offered 5 round boxes for cheap so people could test there rifles for what it likes best. That being said most rifle manufacturers if you read the manual will tell you what ammunition and bullet weight is recommended for the rifle

I've shot 13 different bullets of varying weights snd tip style, and found my Ruger precision in 308 loves 165/168 grain. It wil shoot sub moa all day. The further away from that in either direction and the group opens up to near 3". Bullet testing is crucial. You could be spending mega bucks on the most expensive ammo and find that cheaper stuff may shoot just as good or better in your boom stick.

I laughed loudly at the "that's not my 30-06!" - having multiple Ruger Americans in the background. A very nice problem to have 🤣

I've known this for years but it really hit home when I bought 2 identical 308 rifles. One rifle prefers 125 grain Speer bullets pushed by IMR 4064 powder. The other prefers 165 grain Sierra bullets pushed by IMR 3031 powder.

My Savage Model 10FPSR in .308. 20 inch barrel 1 in 10 twist, will shoot 168 grain standard load boat tail ammo point of aim all day long (Federal Sierra Match King, Winchester Ballistic Silver tip and E tip......) Now even the Hornady Superformance in a 168 A max will start to scatter a bit versus the standard load. Most anything in a 150 grain will scatter about 2 inches, 180's will scatter about 3 inches plus drop 4. (All at 100 yards.)

My savage axis 308 hates 180gr and loves 150, glad I found out on the range.

He is right you need to check all rounds for impact. I shoot different grain and write on box new scope zero for that round. ie: 4 click R 3 click U exc.

Over the years I've told my son the same thing. And we've passed this on to his boys (he has four). Of the six of us five shoot the 7mm mag. I'm not as picky as they are because I don't shoot the ranges they do. But each one has to use a different load for there rifle to get the accuracy they are after. So as you were saying to get the most out of your firearm you have to do a bit of shooting with different weights and brands of ammo. Thanks for your videos!

even the little 22 Rimfire's can be really picky .... Great video wtw 👍

That's exactly what I tell people all the time. TRY DIFFERENT AMMO IN YOU FIREARM WITH YOUR SETUP. "It don't pay to stockpile ammo if the ammo you have stockpiled can't hit the broad side of a barn"-Myself I talk to many people shooting anything from 17 HMR to 300 Win mag who refuse to try different ammo to see what works, but then complain about poor accuracy in "the one and only ammo I've ever shot in that gun"

Until you hand load, in which case the difference in accuracy between bullet weights will probably be less because you can adjust charge weights to find the best velocities for each.

Great subject! I’ve got an AR 10 and I’ve been buying 147 grain 7.62 and I see the higher weights are really expensive!

Yup. WTW said it right. Every gun is it's own animal and it will have a preference for ammo. Sure handloading changes things, but for factory ammo, there's always gonna be one that it likes over the others.

My fav is Remington .270 Core-Loks in 130 or 150 grains. They shoot VERY similar. But 150 grain is what I am most confident with (That's what I started out with in 1986!). In the smokepole, .50 cal T/C molded boo-lots in 275 grain with 90 grains of powder. I practice with 75 grains of powder. I heat it up with 90 grains for a deer load just for a little extra range.

Never a better reason to go shoot than to check bullets......sometimes you need to check the same bullets every weekend!🤣

My Remington ‘06 favors the 180gr Core Lokts, and my daughter’s identical rifle does better with 165gr CL’s. Every gun is different in its own way. Great video, very informative. 👍

I read an article saying that 308 with a 1 10 twist is optomised at 162 grains. I know theres barrell length, charge weight seating depth and so on but oddly all 165 shoot amazing out of every 308 ive ever had. Just something i read and noticed.

The best caliber ever

These types of videos are great and very helpful it just goes to show that different Bing Bangs like different ammo. My HOWA .30-06 likes the 180GR. better so your 100% correct you need to test and see what works best for your platform. Great video im looking forward to the next video later today. WTW!!!!!

I've run so many different brands, weights and kinds of boolots out of my 30 06 pump (rem 760) And it has never cared. Always been just good groups. Now on the other hand my 243 bolt is picky on everything, brand, weight and hot or cold barrel 🤔 I think wtw is saying without having to say get good with what you have. Figure you boolot finger out and see what you can do or can't do. Whether it's brand or weight, placement is key!!! WTW!

Another great video WTW! THANKS! the wtw crew loves you ❤️

Another really fun video WTW. As with all your video very informative and educational. I for one trust your opinion because you take the time to explain the video and then prove what you say is going to happen. Be safe and keep the faith.

My browning loves them all! 180gr fusions are the best I’ve tried. The Hornsby super performance in 168gr is a close second. Even the 147 gr fmj are pretty accurate. It’s 1:12 twist 18.5” barrel.

It is crazy how this is. I have a different .308 rifle with the same 1:10 twist. My barrel is 2" shorter. My bing bang hates the lighter boolots. It loves the 168gr and up. Anything lighter and I'll have 4" to 8" groups. Crazy! Love you content. Keep it up! Thanks a million...

Accuracy is a product of bullet speed, shape, and stability in flight. It is possible to have a bullet moving too fast down the barrel to get the correct spin for it's designed flight characteristics. When you get these three factors right....and the wind is not against you... and you have appeased the bullit gods by doing all the math right.... you just might get you a bullseye or two.

Did the same for a new shooter. He was shooting 5" groups and was happy as hell until I got him to shoot a variety of weights. He could not believe the 3/4" inch group he shot with a different weight and shape of bullet.

I think that Ruger has 1:10 twist, makes perfect sense it shoots 150s better than 180s. 308 is a fine cartridge, but it and 556, I just use for ARs and only have for shtf. Much better chambers in other cartridges for precision and hunting.

This is one of the best video's I've seen to try and explain this so the most people can understand this. This could make an excellent series but with KZfaq policies it has to be filmed and shared expertly. Find a sponsor like maybe Brownells that will provide 4, 6, 10, 15 rifles of a common caliber exact same scope mounts, scopes torque wrenches for install and a professional mount used for sighting in a rifle so someone can't blame you. Then like in this video shoot 3-5 rounds out of each of them with different weight, manufacturers off boo-lots. Then take it to the next level find a professional reloader that matches a load to a rifle and then reshoot every 1 of the rifles to show most rifles can shoot accurately if done right. Good luck and thanks

I just need an inheritance to buy the ammo I need for my grendel to test to find the best with today's prices.

A little late tonight. Headed to watch now. Looking forward to it!!

its because of twist rate of the barrel, speed, and seating depth. Even in 2 identical rifles there is going to be sweet spots that will be different because of those 3 factors combined but predictable after some testing. It is simple but not simple.....then we can get into copper fouling, break in, barrel temps etc

A great video and an honest review for sure! A lot of factors enter into this accuracy situation and you touched on a few. In my experience with my trusted and treasured Winchester 30'06 Manlicher, it simply prefers 165-grain bullets, but it will also shoot 180s as well. But the barrel is heavier. Barrell twists rates are critical too, since I have an old Weatherby .270 magnum that shoots great with 130-grain bullets, but will not stabilize 150-grain bullets. In fact at 25 yards you could see the bullet's tumble, and a three-shot group was recorded as a "Z"! I discussed this with NOSLER, and they informed me that the twist rate of the old (JAPAN) Weatherby's was simply too slow to stabilize those bullet weights! NOSLER was great about sending me an exchange and replaced both boxes of the 150 weights with custom .130 grain bullets. Now that's great customer service for sure! PS I love your paper plate targets that's a great idea!

Right on, good job!👍 Me & my .308 (darline) loves the 150s too.🥰

It is the twist that is absolutely crucial to the weight of the bullet that works in your weapon.

I have several different grain weights 150, 165 , 168 but can't remember if 180. But my ruger likes available ammo best !

Let us not forget these two bullets have different BC's. Also faster twist rates will better stabilize the lighter bullets. Twist rate would be much more noticeable with something like the 30 cal 120 or 110 grain.

Same here. Just bought a new 270 after having a a 30 year old 270. My old 270 I could constantly shoot 1.5 " groups out of it with 130 grain bullets( I am not a great shot) so decided to make my old 270 a Hog gun and shoot 150's out of it. A 3" group is about the best I can pull out of it with the 150's.

I am surprised by your point of impact. Your 180's had a higher point of impact than the 165's.. If you are sighted in with 150's I would surely have thought the 180's would impact lower

Great video WTW.

Low grain bullets will drop deer all day with proper placement. I got two doe this year on a 1:7 18” barrel with .223 64 gr hollow points and both of them ran less than 50 yards.

The deer hunters appreciate these kinds of videos

My old savage 110 in 06 LOVES 165 gr, especially federal fusion. Which were originally a promotional under a different name, cant remember now, but named after one of these hunting shows. They disappeared and I emailed federal and was informed they were now called “ fusions”. It shoots most 165s very well, but those fusions are great in my rifle. ~ 1/2” 5 shot groups mostly , at 100yds. Most of the rest it stays ~ 1” or a little less. I’m talking decent quality hunting ammo, not cheap “ where’s it from” stuff. And , of course, 165 is the hardest to find in many brands. It does well with 150s also, but 165s are like candy to it.

Okay, Who_Tee_Who, here's a video idea. Compare the "black" Ruger American to the Predator both in .308. Same ammunition options, maybe with a 150gr thrown in there to collect more data, and see if there is a difference in the thinner barrel profile against the heavier Predator barrel. Real time, "that day" conditions. Shoot one three-shot group in one, then a three-shot group in the other back-to-back. Let them cool, and repeat. My guess is the Predator would not be as affected by the barrel heating up like the thinner profiled "black" rifle. Just my thoughts. Good video on this with interesting results today!

Another GOOD reason to load your own ammo!

My 30-06 loves Federal fusions 150 grains. But it hates Remington Corelokt 150 grains. The difference between the two groups was nearly 3 inches in favor of the fusions.

What up Who_Tee_Who!!

Dadgummit man you amaze me I remember several years ago I started watching you and I thought you were pretty good then I remember your job so I said don't give up man just keep doing what you're doing and you did and I am just happier than a pig in mud that you have kept going on because you have some extremely valuable content and I mean you amaze me thank you for the videos Man

I"m not surprised at your results. I think the 180 gr. bullet in the .308 is too heavy for the rifling twist. I have never had good accuracy using a 180 gr. boolit in my. 308 Win Remington 7600. 150's and 165s give me the best accuracy. I think if you're hunting moose you need to use a minimum bullet weight of 180 when using a .30 caliber weapon. Even from the .308 a 180 gr. should be accurate enough for a big moose, however. Elk, a 165 grain bullet is ideal in the .308 in my opinion. The other variable is the ammo itself. I rarely shoot factory loads because I have no idea if the powder charges are even close to being within a grain of each other to give good and consistent shot placement. You're placing your faith in someone else caring enough to provide you with good ammo. I am not a reloading snob by any stretch. I just like knowing the brass is the right length, the primers the right depth and the powder is one I choose as opposed to someone manufacturing ammo and not letting me know how many grains of what powder they're using. Thanks for the video. If you have any pull, tell Speer to start making their .358 180 grain FN bullets again. BTW, I found a Savage Apex left handed bolt in .350 Legend with an 18" barrel. It is very accurate shooting the 145 gr. FMJ's at steel at 100 and 200 yards. I confess to using Winchester ammo so far. It is a sweet little shooter.

Very interesting. Keep the awesome vids coming

My Ruger M77 Mark II Ultra Light All-Weather .30-06 3-9×40 Bushnell Troohy scope. 22" inch light barrel. It loves the normal Remington180gr Core-Lok, not even the premium bullets are any good. I have tried 150gr. 165gr. Different brands . Standard ol' Remington 180gr core-loks!!! My best group is less than .75" 3 shot group at 100 yard, less than 1.00" groups at 200 yards. It does have a lot to do with the bullet weight and barrel harmonics/vibrations when shooting. IMO.

You should try the federal terminal ascents I use the 175 grain 308 are very accurate used them on a nice mule deer last year in idaho

Really like these ammo test videos. I don't have the same rifle as you but cool to see how they shoot for you. Even with a different rifle it gives me an idea of things to try. 👍

I agree with you I had a marlin 3030 it liked heavy better

Amen as said by many already, each one is it’s own animal. They sometimes trend by weight.

I have a Savage Axis 308 and it likes the Winchester SuperX 150gr PowerPoint. When I buy a rifle I buy a few different ammo type so I can find it’s favorite. Awesome content!!

We need gunshops to set up value packs that have 4 rounds of 5 different bullets to run threw rifles to check accuracy

Took around 10 different types of ammo brands and grains before i found what my Lithgow .308 likes. Even tried the standard 150gr and 180gr corelokts but for me it was the new 180gr corelokt tipped. 3 shots touching under half an inch at 100. Shame it likes the premium stuff best. Keep up the good work! Hi from Australia.

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My rem 700 30-06 , federal premium 165gr sierra game king . 3 shots , same hole . It loves em

My 300win likes Remington 180 gr but shooting 180 nosler bullet is a no go . Good video

This is really more of a question about barrel twist if you shoot the heavier bullet you need to compare it with a rifle that prefers it that has a faster barrel twist assuming we’re talking about standard lead core bullets

My set ups over the years like the first cold shot from a dirty barrel and usually I only get one shot before the animal is down or has left the area. My set ups have been a Rem 760 pump 270 and Lee Enfield 303 Br. Good videos and comments. Hi from Cache Creek, BC, Canada.

Forget bullet weight. When you buy a new firearm, try different weights, brands, and configurations (such as tipped, jacketed soft point, hollow point, etc.) Find the type of ammo that is the most accurate for your particular firearm. My wife has a Mini-14. It's the most accurate with Hornady V-Max where my AR is more accurate with Winchester Varmint-X. I found my older 30-06 was more accurate with the Remington Core Lokt 150 gr. when most studies I read said that the 165 gr. bullet was the most accurate most 30-06s. However, some rifles are just plain accurate no matter what you use. I had a heavy barreled Savage Varmint rifle in the 22-250. After my final scope adjustment at 100 yds, I fired two different brands of ammo. In one brand, I fired 3 rounds of 50 gr. polymer tipped and 3 rounds of 55 gr. polymer tipped. In the 2nd. brand, I fired 3 rounds of 50 gr. polymer tipped. I ended up with 2 holes, dead center of a 2" circle. One bullet was about 1/8" from the other hole made by the other 8. I have never had a rifle that accurate before. But it was just too damn heavy for this old man to lug around.

We tend to over simplify things which leads to many misconceptions in the community. Bullet length is where twist rate matters, velocity is what controls your drop since gravity acts the same on everything. Then you get your cross overs, heavier bullets retain velocity better at distance so if a light bullet and a heavy one are shot at the same velocity guess which one drops more at 1000yds. Different barrels are just that, there is rifling differences due to tool wear, metalurgic differences from steel manufacture and harmonic differences. Tolerance checking keeps things in a set ballpark but ultimately every gun is different and will like different ammo. Heavy barrels whip less so is always a good starting point for a tack driving build. Ammo is made to tolerances as well, homeloaders can generally work to much tighter tolerances for consistency. I'm sure I've forgotton some nuance we're basically talking rocket science for the most part.

Really like the 180gr sp. Not the psp that is pointed, the round nose. I only shoot under 200yds. In reality, 75 or less. Round nose just hits different in every cal. Dad has a savage 99 that's from the late 70s. Hole for hole with that round. It has a huge spread with the 150s. Like 5in. Sometimes, a way off flyer. It's really crazy. My axis stainless will shoot anything. I have a 264win mag handed down to me from my pap back in 88. It was made in 1958. It absolutely will not shoot 100gr but go hole for hole with 140gr. He told me that, i tried it and he was right. I retired it. I could hunt with it but the only thing I have available are 140gr corelokt pointed soft point. It rips through the dear so fast at close range it doesn't do much damage. Unless I hit a bone. If I hit a bone on the way in, it take out a huge hole on the backside. They should be reloaded with better bullets.

Great information, thanks alot WHW 👌

I've got a 308 and have been waiting for videos on em. Thanks for the videos! Mine likes the 150gr as well.

Great advice sir. Thanks for sharing your experience.

Another great informative video

That's a high-class problem right there.😁😂😂😂..ive seen people grab the wrong boolats for the right rifle..but never the wrong rifle for the right boolats..!😁

My theory is my deer rifle is going to take the money shot from an ice cold barrel. Try at least a 6 round group on a cold day waiting at least 10 minutes between shots. I handload and a 1/2 grain difference turns a 2” MOA down below 1”…

I have always felt a 180 gr. bullet was to heavy for the .308. I did most of my .308 shooting before there were as many choices of bullets though. I found the 180 gr. bullet in the .308 didn't retain enough velocity at distance to expand the bullet.

👍😊 what is the barrel twist ratio? That also makes a difference on what they like in bullet weight.

You're correct a 100%

Barrel length and twist rate makes all the difference in the world. I shoot 20 in barrel with a 1:10 twist 308. 168 gr SMK are tack driving

My Ruger American in 308 really likes 150gr Federal pointed soft point. 👍

My problem is that I shoot so many different guns that I don't know which one prefers certain bullets

Rule of thumb is the middle weight. Most functional weights 30-06 is 150 grain to 220 grain and I have in stores bought and used 220s and handloaded them. Add 150 and 220 up and divide by 2 you get 185 So 180 is best most chambers, throats, barrel dynamics love this weight in 06 Accurate and comes closest to published velocity. Not too heavy and not too light. 308 Win 130-168 grain. You would think heavier is best. I went against the grain and chose middle weight 150 and won a lot of 1000 yard matches with it. It mates to speed well and with a good bullet good from whitetail to moose. Your best video was when you pitted the 30-06 against the 35 Whelan on clay. The 06 smoked it with the 180 grain and got from a 22 inch barrel on your chronograph 2688 fps advertised 2700 and Rem tests that on a 24 inch barrel and you used a 22 inch and was 12 fps shy vs all your 150 grain videos where your 06 is running 120 fps shy. Now yes all guns can be different but I have witnessed the middle weight rule to apply 98% of the time. for 270 its 130, 308 150, 06 180 grain. That is their sweet spots.

Ok WTW, Pick a hunting rifle and some ammo that it shoots marginal groups. Try a barrel tuner (an actual manufactured one, or homemade like o-rings or magnetic strips) and get it to shoot decent groups. Most of us simply can't afford to buy 5-10 boxes of ammo in multiple brands, bullet weight and style, then end up having several partial boxes of stuff that the rifle doesn't like sitting on a shelf. If reloading isn't a reality for everyone to tune the ammo to the barrel, like especially rimfire shooters do, make the rifle play nice with the ammo. THAT would be a worthwhile and extremely popular video while truly helping us find a more economic way to shoot and hunt.

My Browning a-bolt 2 in 300 win mag absolutely loves those 180 grain core lock tipped....3 touchin@100

I hope he gets out his cronygraph 🤣

Awesome video WTW and well spoken. You have to do the leg work to find out what your Boom Stick likes best.

Good video. 308 Winchester is one of my favorite caliber’s. Thanks for the video.

This is so helpful. You really put it plainly and get the idea across. Thank you Who_Tee_Who.

This is generally what I’ve seen with the .30 cal rifles I’ve owned. My .308’s tend to do best with 165 and lighter, even with a faster twist (1:10) barrel. 30-06 can play with the 150’s, but seems to do best at 165-180 gr. My 300 Win Mag, well one was a POS (advise against buying REM 700 LR, granted example of one), but my Tikka T3X has done will in ranges from 165 (Federals Fusion and Trophy Copper) through 212 (Hornady Precision Hunter). I’ve seen a similar thing in my, and my wifes 7mm-08 (T3X Lite Stainless and T3X Superlite). Those things have eaten everything we through at them and pushed sub MOA groups, as long as it has been a 139-140 grain slug. We ran some 120s because that was all we could find to get some trigger time before last hunting season, and the groups went from sub 1” to saucer sized at 100 yards.

That’s true. I’ve got an ruger American in 308. Loves 150 . I shot 168 and it would not group them very well .

It’s good to know what each rifle likes, especially if you travel out of state and might need some rounds for one reason or another or if store around town are out of your favorite. 165s did good not great in this 30 cal for you this time

Good video. That Ruger makes me appreciate my Savage lol