Warhammer 40K is a positive vision of the future because humanity is alive in the year 40,000

The elites do not resemble Slaaneshy cult... They are one...

If more people simply realized that the 40k universe is a place you DO NOT want to be in, things would be a lot better.

"RELIGION IS BAD" said the 10-foot tall gleaming golden god-man, "HUMANITY SHOULD BE FREE TO FOLLOW REASON, AND BY THAT I MEAN UNQUESTIONINGLY OBEY MY DECREES TO THE LETTER."

And with each passing day, I am continuously torn between Pilgrim convincing me to check out 40k in earnest and GW convincing me to not.

In ages past, men built wonders, laid claim to the stars and sought to better themselves for the good of all. But we are much wiser now.

Trying to be progressive in Warhammer 40K would be like... Imperium: That sounds like a bunch of HERESY! (shoots w/bolter) Eldar: ...Been there. Tried it. Didn't work. (leaves) Dark Eldar: Sounds fun! Try this, you'll love it! (Dark Eldar torture ensues) T'au: We accept you. (demons start appearing) SCREW THAT! You're on your own!!! Necrons: ...Neat. We don't care. Get off our lawn. (vaporizes) Ork: HAHAHAHAHA! Yer funny. (chops 'em up) Chaos: That's right. Hell is real, you helped create it, and it's not what VivziePop cracked it up to be. Have fun! (drags to Hell) Tyranids: NOMNOMNOMNOM!!! (eats them all)

Don't you understand?! If a fictional wargame set in a hellish future space dystopia doesn't promote all current day societal values, then any casual enjoyer of it might actually have fun without constantly reflecting upon a prescribed corporate agenda. And, that's awful. No, it's far better to wreck the lore of the setting and divide the fanbase at a loss than to just let a beloved setting exist as is.

The issue with progressivists is they think progression is inherently good and without flaw, that anything new should be embraced without caution or scrutiny regardless of the consequences that may arise from such developments. On the other hand, maintaining the position of pure conservatism is also incorrect…as we are all aware, not all of human history is worth any reconsideration for modern implementation or preservation.

“The rewards of tolerance are treachery and betrayal.”

That reminds me of an oldschool space opera anime called "Legend of the Galactic Heroes" that also seem to embrace this idea of history being a cycle. Without spoilers the series tells the story of a war between two galactic states - one being liberal democracy and the other being monarchy. What I found interesting about it is how the series shows political corruption in both of those systems being different and yet having some common points.

20 years ago i was wondering how a progressive society could ever regress. Then Social Justice happened.

How is it possible that the most balanced and nuanced take on both politics and culture that KZfaq has to offer comes from a channel that is basically dedicated to anime and 40K?

Ultimately what it comes down to... is that 40k was supposed to be an over-the-top, evil dystopia version of every Utopia science fiction could think of. Because War Game! A Utopian society doesn't breed conflict because everyone thinks the same... but when utopian societies meet and aren't the same... they clash hard.

Because they can't discern between reality and fiction.

The crazy thing about the Craftworld Eldar is that they're the descendants of the 40k equivalent of hardline Amish separatists. While their entire society went to hell in a handbasket, they were stockpiling water, food and ammo in remote shelters to survive the collapse and for better or worse, their plan worked lol

Why does "El Salvadorian Empire" sound so excessively badass?

As an Irishman, I'd like to formally apologise for whatever the heck our Eurovision candidate was doing. Our elites are a lot more "progressive" than the rest of us.

Pilgrims Pass talking about 40k again truly this is a banger!

The Imperium seems like a theocratic, feudal empire. Most planets are given relative autonomy as long as they pay their tithe of resources and manpower while keeping the faith. I don't like calling things "fascist" as I believe the word is now meaningless. The current definition of Fascism describes 90% of civilizations before the 1900s.

those priests blessing weapons holy crap youre right thats literally 40k

The simplest way of describing fascism (IMO) is “everything for the state, nothing outside the state, & nothing against the state.”

The Imperium of Man doesn't worship the government. They worship Humanity, as embodied by the Emperor.

Counterpoint: The Primarchs are returning, the warp has grown to contain half the galaxy, newer powerful Warp entitys are awakening to challenge the 4, Bile has created a new human evolutionary line, the Necrons are waking, the Eldar are summoning their god of death, and Big E is awake. Things are changing, the setting is no longer stagnate. It is the era of Tzeentch.

If we were actually progressing forward as a society you would see more evidence of and respect for virtues in public society such as truthfulness, trust, discernment, knowledge and worldly sophistication, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Pop culture gradually becomes more shallow and fake while an everybody-for-themselves (or everybody for the flavour of the day oppressed demographic) message is pushed instead, which funnily enough results in everything gradually becoming worse for everyone in a negative feedback loop as the loss of trust in society accelerates itself.

And before Russia’s progressive atheist empire they were an Orthodox Christian Empire that unlike popular notions was actually industrializing and building itself up in the early 20th century. So much so that Germany feared if Russia fully industrialized, they’d be unstoppable. (This was Mustache man’s fear of the Soviets as well) P.S. Can you do a video on Mass Effect?

"I was a Star Wards refugee" - I felt that. :(

This one is a massive wall of text, I apologize in advance. The thing with Warhammer 40k and it supposedly being this masterful anti-fascist satire is that, if you look at the setting as presented and how GW wrote it and marketed it since day one, it fall completely flat on its face and sucks at being the supposed genius anti-Thatcherite satire people claim it is. Was Rogue Trader heavily rooted in late '80s British Punk culture and anti-Thatcherite sentiment that permeated the culture at the time (2000 AD come to mind) and were most of its creators leftists? The answer is yes, but the problem is that if you take a moment to analyze the setting as it has been presented, written, sold and marketed since day one. 40k's SUPPOSED premise is that the Imperium is a horrible bigoted, corrupt hyper imperialistic if not fascistic hegemonic empire of ultimate evil. The problem is that, while the setting maybe was intended to be written like that, this is not what we got for a simple reason: wether deliberately or accidentally, we have a setting where THE IMPERIUM'S DOCTRINE IS ENTIRELY MORALLY CORRECT BECAUSE THE UNIVERSE IS JUST THAT AWFUL! Take the Imperium's fear of aliens, mutant, heretics and witches. On the face value, this is an exagerated stereotype of what religious fundamentalist and right wing/reactionary politics are strawmanned as. Except, if we look at the setting as presented, this fear is entirely justified. Most aliens beside maybe Tau are insanely evil and hostile toward humanity and anything else not their own species. Heresy and chaos corruption spread the powers of literal space hell into the real world. Psykers are genuinely dangerous if left unchecked and without controlling their powers as they can warp reality and tear open a rift in time and space where daemons can come out. If 40k was this brillaint anti fascist piece, then the Imperium would be wrong. Its fear of alien, mutants, heretics and the likes would be WRONG. Aliens would be an oppressed minority or a benevolent outside forces that either want to help humanity escape the grip of the Imperium or poor innocent aliens colonized and displaced/destroy by the Imperium and while this does happen in the lore, it is relegated to some background and the Imperium is almost always shown as the one being attacked by the aliens as opposed to attackimng the aliens to conquer new worlds. If the Imperium was in the wrong, heresy would actually be benevolent new age and progressive thinking trying to free the Imperium from the shackles of space fascism, full of oppressed minorities who are stunning and brave. Brave freedom fighters and punks fighting space fascism. Yet time and time again, rebellions against the Imperium tend to be portrayed as negatively. Now take the Genestealers, the ONLY Aliens we know of that can be crossbreed with humans If the setting was this satire on right wing strawmen, then crossbreeding with aliens would be a positive thing because diversity and all that and the Imperium would, again, be in the wrong. And yet? Genestealers are canonically the creation of a malign alien intelligence specifically designed to corrupt a population to breed useful idiot mutant hybrids whose sole purpose is to be consumed by the Hive mind once they have weakened the planet. Hell, Genestealer Cults are very steeped in Communist and Antifa-like imagery, yet GW clearly write them as useful idiots and loonies. They are literally the WORKERS RISE UP faction down to their models being miners and yet the lore clearly show them as corruption resulting from outside forces. If 40k was truly this masterful anti fascist satire, then the Imperium should have been the main human antagonist faction. Still a major player in the setting, still playable, but clearly portrayed as Star Wars galactic empire.

The thing I'll always admire about the Progs is their unfailing ability to decide, without any evidence, that they're really the originators of everything, and the final arbiters of its ownership. It's like Afrocentrism, except instead of just human history it's _everything_ they claim to have invented.

For me I treat Warhammer especially Warhammer 40K as a lesson that collapse of a sophisticated society isn't inevitable, but possible. Unless everyone remains vigilant and aware of how delicate everything is. Especially technology. I like how interesting and how introspective this universe makes me.

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22:35 He's absolutely right about the United Federation of Planets. Section 31 created a computer system called Control. Control created universal translators. Everyone's speech in the federation is controlled by the universal translators. Most of the population of the federation have no Clue, what each other are saying to each other.

28:40 "Obviously Chinese-coded" More like an amalgamation of SE-Asia with pre-dominantly Japanese influences (there's a REASON everyone half-jokingly called them communist weeabos back in the day), but yeah, I can see where you'd get the Chinese-coded idea from.

11:25 the fall of the eldar also reflects the philosophic concept of a culture and decadance within civilization. it was the roman culture we venurated and their decadance that lead to the flal

Progressivism wasn't a complete joke to me before the war in my country started. But when there's an entity bent on your destruction for the things that you are, it denies you your language, history/identity, and leaves you without electricity, running water, and food - the problems of "equality" become rather distant in comparison. The West is very privileged, and I can only imagine the number of people who would be running for their lives, as they are not prepared in the slightest for the idea of an enemy that really wants to kill them and all the things they represent, take their homes and all of their possessions. You can play any games you want, while the walls of proverbial garden that keeps you safe are intact. I hope it stays that way. Despite the tarnish of the weird girlish cultural currents of "everyone is awesome and equal no matter what" I like the Western worldview very much. But is it prepared for any resemblance of real attack on its fundamental ideas? Not sure.

When it comes solely to technology the Whig view of history is... right enough, but the progressives took this and tried applying it to things like politics, the humanities, civilization in general. It's actually a very insidious argument in how it willfully misinterprets the information. "Look at this graph at the technical improvements across the centuries, this OBVIOUSLY means that my utopian ideology is inevitable thus you should blindly follow it without question." That's how many of these progressive types are.

If you want to be really dark about it, you could argue that all you need to do to get a 40K style scenario in a broad sense is take the Star Trek continuity and add deep time unmediated by political and social plot armour. Star Trek assumes a sort of Fukuyama-style 'End of History - that the inevitable end point of history is the creation of an eternally stable and perfect techno-utopian society that will endure essentially until the stars go out. 40k, as Pilgrim Pass observes, rejects the idea that there is such an optimistic and idealised end of history. In that setting, social and technological advancement and collapse exist in cycles that are pretty much inescapable until some manifestation of universal entropy - whether the Ruinous Powers or the killer space bug Tyranids or something else - finally destroys civilisation once and for all. It is hinted that some transcendence into some higher state of psychic being might allow humanity to escape that fate, but that road is long, fraught with danger, and the outcome is far from certain. Even if a culture achieves a level of technology that is utterly mindboggling, like the old pre-Imperial human stellar civilisation did during the Dark Age of Technology, in the long run such achievements are only ever temporary and sooner or later, in the long view of history, such cultures, for all their achievements, ultimately collapse back into ignorance and barbarism - the fall of Rome over and over again, except with more ray guns and interstellar travel. In 40K's world view, the Federation could even have existed for a while in the past of the setting, with all its tech and utopian aspirations, but sooner or later the inevitable happened, and the heavy hand of entropy ground down the Federation leading to collapse and the continuance of the cycle the Federation erroneously assumed it had escaped until the 40K continuity emerged tens of millennia later.

The title of this video falls short, this is a masterclass

Fascism is "Everything within the State, nothing without the state." The Imperium cannot be fascist because 1. The Imperium is well two states, a combination of Terra and Mars and 2. the Inquisition exists outside of the state.

I’ve gotten to the point in my life where as absurd as this sounds, 40k has become my escapist fantasy series. I go into Middle Earth to escape the Morgoth dominated hellscape of the modern world, but I escape into the 41st Millennium because it gives me hope that this world will be destroyed like all false idols of power humans use to cope with the exile from Eden. My nerdy way of saying I agree with you Pilgrim.

The fall of the Eldar reminds me of modern day San Francisco.

I mean don't quote me on this, but a point I've heard from a couple other people make about 40k is that the number of humans becoming psykers is slowly increasing. don't know which books, but there's this idea that if humanity holds out for long enough, it will become a race of master psykers like what the emperor was. which makes the atheism kinda interesting, because a. no worship means chaos gods are fed less, and b. despite being born of sacrificed shamans and psychic energies, the emperor of man genuinely wasn't divine. it would take time and hardship, but his existence is a state that is ultimately achievable for mankind.

I always feel stupid when watching your videos. I mean, I learn a lot, but it's insane how many new things you can talk about that I never even thought of.

The Primarchs never should have returned. The "story" of 40K is just setup for the 10,000 year stalemate _where the game takes place._

It's hilariously ironic that the 40k universe will probably be destroyed by a demonic cult in reality. GW is the real chaos demon?

I'm in my thirties, I've been into 40k since my dad bought me RT when I was nine. You're right, it us the current prize, and it makes me sad that it's the current target for cringe gay redux.

8:27 Ironically, at least from what i can see, the only way they could introduce liberal ideology into their lore is to literally introduce something akin to the Bible and Hebrew like culture, or the Knights Templar and other similar types of warriors. (Note it'd be closer to classical liberalism, such as Locke. ) as the Bible definetly doesn't advocate pacifist ideology but it does state not to hate even your enemies. A King David type of figure for example would have the power to defeat his enemies, but also maintain that kingdom and a Jesus type figure God would encourage forgiveness. Basically, "the Praus shall inherit the earth" not meek, but someone of great power and great mercy.

10:00 Yeah. Franchises like Warhammer 40K, Star Wars, and even Elder Scrolls are just not made for the moral relativist, hypocritical, extreme progressives running media outlets right now. Where moral deviance and accesses are more real and obvious than here on earth, and destructive. Craft and story just do not matter, lore isn't even on the bottom of their list of priorities. They will break anything to affirm their *opinions* . I hope later when we cycle back to being normal as a culture, either someone ignores this, OR embraces this change as a part of the lore and shows the Empire collapse because they are distorting their form, etcetera. On that note, for me the L, G, and B in LGBT are fine because they just have different tastes in partners, and aren't confused about who they are. AND generally aren't desperate for affirmation and compliance from others. But the Ts are -- according to other LGBT members-- "making it weird".

I'm not entirely convinced that _A Connecticut Yankee_ satirizes tradition any more than it satirizes the outlook of said Yankee. As a side note, you could see Tolkien's _The Scouring of the Shire_ as the English answer to Twain's novel.

It is satire that gets very dark, into the cynical-tragical spectrum. Many people have a wrong concept of good and evil it seems. We can have good intentions, but in the end we need to make sure that those are not corrupted, and used against this very spirit. Or the outcome will be catastrophic and we will be to blame, no matter the intention we originally sought...

Ive never clicked on a "new video" notification so quickly

I played a game called space hulk for sega saturn. And the marines would argue with each other all the time. Was very funny. "Azreal !! MOVE!! Get out of my way!"

I am still waiting for a video where Pilgrim's Pass draws the two lines on transhumanism. Thought of the day: Kal'El of Krypton is basically the perfect embodiment of the hyperhuman, which is why his story is so endearing.

Wow a new pilgrim's pass video just released right after my college graduation. Today was a good day

I was wondering when is your next upload. Right on schedule

You are focusing way too much on Slaanesh, but I think progressivism is more of Tzeench thing. The Alphabet people have removed, at this point, sex from sexual identity, and are bringing in muddled concepts that not even they understand. You are expecting Daemonettes and Keepers of Secrets...I think it is more about horrors.

That ending song. Its so strange to hear an AI voice mimicking taking breath.

Ok, now do a video on the orcs of LOTR; Specifically the theme of evil that is inherent. We'll see how much more lefties would get pissed off

Huh, just a side note. I always figured the Tau were more like the Japanese. Prolly cuz of the combat suits.

No screaming No mindless insults No wrong points made You're a real one

A comment I saw about progressivism and traditionalism puts it well, why we view progress as positive - when progress and tradition clash to determine the outcome, there are logically two results - either progress wins and we adopt new ways, or tradition wins and everything stays the same. And therein lies the problem - if the progress is BAD it loses, but if everything stays the same people don't really perceive it as anything having happened to begin with, but if progress is GOOD then it wins and people naturally notice it. In other words, though I'm explaining it badly, progress is only observed when it happens, and it typically only happens when it's good (or largely perceived as good). People don't usually notice something not happening, so when progress is a bad thing and therefore doesn't happen, people don't notice it - ergo, the perception of progress being an exclusively good thing is a matter of *bias.* EDIT: please excuse me pitting tradition against progress, my English isn't working today as it isn't my mother tongue, so I figured it would be a decent enough substitute for the word I WANTED to use but forgot

I haven't been this early in a while, so I'll leave a proper comment after I finish Edit: this all reminds me of the Drukari Succubus who was trans (Da Big Dakka by Mike Brooks). That character made perfect sense and didn't break immersion at all since A) Succubus as a role/rank has an obvious feminine overtone and B) the Drukari are master "flesh crafters" who would absolutely be able and willing to do this. The issue arises when GW tries to pretend that everyday imperial citizens can be trans (news flash, all you actually get to be is corpse starch)

Also for all Star Wars, Star Trek, Doctor Who refugees, I heartily recommend the following titles; Galaxy’s Edge by Jason Anspach and Nick Cole, for those that adore the Republic Commandos games and books and love the mystery and lore of Halo, this 13 book series is more than accommodating for your needs. Starshatter by Black Knight, an 8 book 4 anthologies series, Starshatter is what happens when the Star Trek universe is written by someone that understands human nature.

29:00 Ultra based holy weapons

You need to make a short of around 11:10 with the scenes of degen happens on earth followed by the Hersey Alert! I laughed so hard.

To quote Slipknot; Old does not mean dead, new does not mean best. No hard feelings but I'm tired of being right about everything I said. Yours does not mean mine, kill does not mean die. We are not your kind.

I watched the latest Lutin09 vid on how GW wants to rid the Chaos God Slannesh, or at a minimum, recon him. Now that I seen your video on how it seems to be that GW wants to make the slannesh beliefs, the new Imperium of Man standard. It makes more sense.

Spirituality in a new, truly modern fashion is very prevalent in new BL literature; especially Sigismund: The Eternal Crusader. 40K is beyond militant atheism, it questions political incompetence, stipulates it's a rough world but persist anyway, and the brutal nature of belief changes the world. All of those things heavily trigger many people. In a fluid, indolent and mocking world, the idea of excess in a non-pleasure sense, with rigidity and cold ham seriousness, it's antithetical. Chaos is a great vehicle dissecting personal vanity and pleasure as something that does worse than kill you too; in a way Reynold's Fabius Bile books are a bigger warning and teaching against negative behaviour than most priests.

Section 31 was a late entry into Trek lore, invented during the run of Deep Space Nine, and wildly misinterpreted by Discovery.

WHAT HAPPENED TO IRELAND, JESUS CHRIST

I mean if "cleaned water" counts as eating poop then you also eat poomp cause we use fertilizer

To be fair the planets that hunted psykers and unalived them tended to still be around by the time of the great crusade, those that didn’t quickly fell when said psykers lost control of their powers when the long night started

A question for your channel in general, I think you’ve read ASOIAF and already pointed out the less favorable aspects especially prominent in the tv show. Would you be able to do a video about the better aspects of the books, like pointed out in Quinn’s Ideas videos about ASOIAF or the more philosophical aspects and also more classical fantasy tropes like knight errantry, knighthood and magic in especially “A Feast for Crows”. Considering the series isn’t done that could be somewhat difficult and because sometimes the good aspects are all over the place, but maybe it could be a video about chivalric culture and its appearance in fantasy, considering you’re a crusading catholic. The hedge knight stories and older book art like that of Ted Nasmith and some water colorings which I don’t know the author of inspired me to think of that aspect of the books. I know that you make videos which also touch on current topics, but I was really enchanted by knightly culture, in fiction and reality, though both is actually the same which I found out studying the Middle Ages more extensively like in Froissarts chronicles

"I myself am a Star Wars refuge".... .....My brother!!!

Are we gonna get a video like this for Battletech? That universe is very underrated and awesome

I am almost surprised you haven't named Marx and his historical materialism, Anyway, god tier video, it is very well-made and researched. The only thing I would like to know is how would we include the "going back to Rome" views of Fascism into the progressive ideal?

Great video as always my friend. I really felt it when you talked about being a Star Wars refugee because of politics and lamenting about 40k and it's troubles, and your analysis of the narrative of 40k was spot on and similar to a paper I wrote for a literature class in college, post bachelor degree. If you are interested can I recommend Battletech to you? I have been a fan of the setting for over two decades and it is very grounded and space opera like.

this song at the end is quite nice, is there any link to it.

so basically the starship trooper works.

A Coneticut Yankee in King Authur's Court was so dry and so stupid, my copy had whole article of critiques, mostly by British tradiitionist pointing out the flaws of gilded age america and its isolationism. Also alot of themes seem very atheisitc, numerous illustrations make a caritiure of organized religion, and mock the catholic church heavily.

Thats an amazing analysis of 40k wow. I hope more people react to this video.

man member when if someone didn't like something they were told not to look at it? I member.

Man I feel you about five years ago I left starwars and I still love the older starwars. But now I'm here in 40k and I hope that history doesn't repeat its self and destroys warhammer. Because warhammer is what I love, everything from the ridiculous lore, fun games to the miniature painting. I have found my place and I will fight if I need to. I wouldn't let warhammer fall without a last epic battle.

I've been saying it for years: "in the grim darkness of the near future, there is only war"

Good Video, but why did you use AoS clips when you just talked about 40k?

Brain too big, gonna have to watch again. Really interesting video.

It about the greed hate and corruption that plagues civilization Or as it was intended It's about big men on steroids with bigger swords

The song at the end is Milkyway by Vikash Singh 1n

Brother if you’re playing Darktide and want to run Maelstroms hit me up

A very fascinating breakdown of much of what really should be considered by the extremes of modern ideology. I think it'd do some good for the worst of 40k's fanbase to sit down and actually listen to what's being presented here instead of just screaming and flinging shit at oneanother. I hope you find plenty of success going forward, it's clear you've put a LOT of thought and consideration into the topic. Cheers.

Part of the appeal of 40k at least for the imperium is probably because it's "do not go gently into the night" personified.

Criminally underrated channel. I usually watch Your stuff 2-3 Times to digest a whole thing. Best wishes. Have a good one

Very well done video my man its been a while since I've seen a video where I find myself agreeing with it over and over and over again.

That Haber joke was twice as cold for being so flatly delivered. I would've had to dash to the toilet before I lost my bowels if it didn't make me afraid of the shower. Also, Doc Smith preceded Asimov.

The remarks on Russia and China also applies to the west, we just don't see it because we're on this side of the glass. I remember when I served, especially in Afghanistan it was not odd to have guys pray to God for success or have chaplains bless them en masse before action, guys holding crosses and prayer beads to their rifles, even some who thought of themselves as crusaders in the modern day. Many units also went into deployments underequipped, even in the mid 2010s. You just didn't see it happen on the news. Happened plenty in all of our past wars too. Seems to be a tragic norm for humanity in general.

Something that always needs to be asked with progress is what is the goal you are progressing towards? Why do you want to go there? Change for the sake of change can be fine in small doses but with no plan you'll destroy more than create.

No caso do brasil na verdade é o governo tentando esconder a inflação na comida o dano não foi tão grande

Reddit gonna attack this dude for years.

Dude, you taught me more about history, politics, terminology etc in this 37 min video that i learned in whole damn classes in uni, really good work man! damn entertaining to boot!

Great and informative video. You forgot to mention that in the WH40K lore, the Emperor is also a re-incarnation of Alexander the Great.