I once heard someone say “if there is a god we are in trouble and if there is no god we are in trouble”

"If God is willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. If he is able but not willing? Then he is malevolent. If he is both able and wiling? Then whence cometh evil? If he is neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" - Epicurus

I'm a retired nurse & worked at a large children's hospital. With what I experienced, I can never be convinced there is a god, let alone a loving one.

I am not a religious person & haven't been for over ten years. After being a JW for about 12 years, and having been raised in another strict religion before that as a child. I have come to my own opinion that all religion is cult. Based on the definition, religion is equivalent to cult. Whether it is to ONE god or man or a group of them, it still falls under the def of cult. I also came to my own opinion that no loving god exists. How could it with all the ugliness, violence, hatred and murders that take place. If imperfect humans want to end these types of things, then why wouldn't a 'loving god' not want to stop it? Not only that, but actually stop it? It is not possible for me to believe in something that demands unquestioning faith w/o proving itself to me in a very real, tangible, visible way. I really connected with this video Lloyd!! Thank you. It is very apparent that your heart is heavy with such thoughts & rationalizing. I feel with you that no loving god can exist if so much evil exists. I remember the elders would always say something like: "JH will do what is necessary for us to endure until the new system comes" ENDURE. E N D U R E What a horrible thing to say to others!! Even more so to others who are dealing with trauma (often b/c of the elders) and mental health issues (often b/c of 'the truth').

My life is easier to manage believing it's just me and my good intentions and values. An all-knowing, looming, judgey diety and his mighty, conniving nemesis terrifies me. I do forfeit KNOWING if a grand architect exists. It is curious, however, that by some miraculous happening, I woke up, and I'm bouncing around for however long... The "why" is irrelevant. The gratitude is everything 😌

Thank you for letting us come along on your journey. You are a courageous man, on so many levels. Much respect, sir.

To me the entire god question is a huge Yawn. I take the same view of Marcus Aurelius: “ Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”

So funny you appeared in my recommended, I watched you when I was 16 and my dad had been indoctrinating me my whole life with J.W. propaganda and other very unhealthy thoughts. Thanks for helping me develop my own critical thinking and for the dose of sanity during those isolated years :)

I agree, a god or something like may exist, but there’s nothing about the state of the universe to say such a being would be “omni-benevolent”.

Not possible to be annoyed or upset at your commentary; your insight and reasoning is so interesting, many thanks again from 🇨🇦

You're absolutely right, Lloyd.

I think you are one of the Most underrated KZfaqr i know. I am so thankful, that i don't feel alone anymore, after seeing there are other ex witnesses. And more thankful to See, that there is an activism. Thank you for making Videos 🙏

My opinion about the doctrine of original sin can be summed up in a simple illustration. If old Henry Ford’s first two cars off the assembly line broke down leaving the factory whose fault is it, the machine or it’s designer? Obviously if his cars didn’t meet expectations he wouldn’t kill all the autoworkers and destroy the factory. He would have met with his design team and resolved the problem. Original sin doctrine tries to convince us that a loving god whose creation didn’t measure up to his expectations would have killed all the workers and blown up the factory to divert attention from his inadequacies. It just doesn’t make any sense.

Oh. And just to let you know, the new hair, color and style is 🔥. Lol

The road to recovery begins when people admit that they are broken and can't fix it themselves. Then, when the god of their own egos has fallen, they are ready to hear the voice of the true Higher Power. This isn't about religion. It's about relationship.

Lloyd when are you coming to Canada we can have a beer , talk about how Jehovah doesn't exist and how Darth Vader does ?

My shroom experience felt like 1000 years. I can report that such a long life is nowhere near what Watchtower portrays. You get very veeeery tired after the first 2 hundred years or so 😅

I always say I’m a very, very reluctant atheist. I made this statement to a witness who asked what I believed now. “What do you mean by that” they said quite perplexed. “ well who really wants to believe this is it, I would love to believe there is a loving creator but my experience and history tells me there isn’t”

I am almost 59 and was in "the truth" from birth till my kids were about 13 and 15. Around my 29th birthday. And I feel the same. I am agnostic, but really leaning towards there not being a true higher GOOD spiritual being . I see all of the amazing things about this planet and others as well, but I cannot wrap my mind around there being a "loving God" and children still hurt and die and all of the other egregious acts that happen with no one to step in for prevention's sake.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experience regarding your belief or non-belief in the existence of a loving God or of the non-existence of God. It shows that you’re searching for the answers because you want to know what is actually true. I would encourage you to not stop searching for the truth of this issue. I have been a born again Christian for almost 40 years. I am now 70 years old so I didn’t know for sure the answer to God’s existence in the first 30 years of my life. There is so much to learn about who God really is. I’m not going to preach at you because that’s probably not what you want at this point, but I would like to say that when I was 30 my life was in turmoil. So, I awkwardly prayed “God, if you’re real, I need you.” That was the beginning of my search for truth. God did show up. Through the years I have learned who God really is. Lots to discuss. But, I would again encourage you to not stop questioning. Perhaps, if you haven’t already, you can ask God yourself to show you if He is real and if He is loving; even though horrible things happen to the most innocent humans in this life. Have a great day. ❤

I am also agnostic ... I realized that all these "holy texts" ALWAYS hold the SAME opinions as ancient MEN... This can't be a coincidence!

I took a large dose of LS_ fifty years ago and my body and the world around me dissolved into light particles. This experience happened inside my head so I concluded that my brain is transforming formless energy into the SENSATION of my body and the world that surrounds me. I quit my psychedelic experiments, including cannabis, forty years ago and continue to figure things out without any assistance from drugs. My present model sees the Cosmos as a gigantic energy field that forms universes, including our local universe as a contraction of eternal, formless energy that always existed and has no purpose and no creator. What fascinates me is why god believers choose to believe in an eternal Creator, based on faith, instead of an eternal Cosmos in plain sight that does not require a creator. A 75 year old atheist - not afraid to die.

Or if God DOES exist and is supposed to be a loving God, WHY WOULD HE ALLOW CHILD DEATHS TO GO ON? I'm not able to just ASSUME they exist and live by blind faith, I cannot wrap my mind around someone like them allowing the horrifying children's deaths at the very least.

How you explain the existence of Love? Why we have that, and God doesn't?

There could be a creator of some kind but it might not be what we think. We could be in some kind of simulation, maybe we were genetically engineered by an alien race or dozens of other theories. Obviously if there is an intelligence out there he isn’t making it easy for us. He lets everything go to hell and plays some kind of weird version of Where’s Waldo. My wife and I came to the conclusion that we will never know. Billions of people have lived and died never knowing absolute truth. Who am I to think I’m so special that I could ever know with absolute certainty. If we stop and think about it thinking that we have to find “the truth” after leaving is a very Jehovah’s Witnessey kind of thing. We need to live our best life.

For me it's the animal aspect. So many animals throughout the Bible were slaughtered for peoples' sins or whatever. You mean to tell me that my pet that cuddles with me and clearly expresses feelings just has an one and done life while humans get to "live forever"? If going by Bible history, humans continuously have to go through tremendous trials and suffering. If 99% of the human population is to be wiped out in Armageddon. That 1% remaining will be built up again just to be cut down by 99% yet again. It's just gonna be endless trials & suffering even in "earthly paradise" where 288,000 eyeballs will be watching you.

Glad u liked shrooms, fellow psychedelic traveller :)

Love the haircut 😻😻

Hey Lloyd, enjoyed your thoughts on this topic. I think the first thought that pops into my head when I hear you talking about God in general is why does God always have to fit into the box the bible made or the philosophers made? You know, the Omni creator of all who watches everyone like the Eye of Sauron looking to judge and condemn, and requiring endless adulation. My view of God is not the creator of all but the source of life/consciousness. And life interacting with itself creates morals, or certain behaviors that when done leads to increased wellbeing and furthering of life. And we have a fundamental drive towards this furthering of life. We call this good. And it suggests the source of life is good. The question then would be, why does the opposite of good exist? That's where God only being the source of life comes in. God, in this model, wouldn't be the source of substance, or the universe. There is neither good nor bad in the universe apart from life. The universe just is. It builds up and destroys and it all means nothing until you add life to it. Then good and bad emerge in relation to the wellbeing of that life. And the question becomes why would life want to be here instead of a place that is only good all the time? Maybe it's the case that life does exist in a harmonious place that's all good all the time. Maybe that life chose to come to this place of contrast and contradiction of its own accord for a reason. Maybe this is like a gymnasium that provides the resistance needed for that spirit to grow and become more, to expand, to become stronger, so that that life can return to its paradise a more capable being. Maybe. Didn't you say God said to you during your trip that the point of suffering is that pain makes things real? Maybe there is a value to suffering that isn't for us the human but for us the spirit who came here for a purpose. I take it you have not read up much on NDEs, near death experiences. Neil Tyson says they see the light because there's a spot light above them on the hospital bed. Bless his heart, but he's a fool because he knows most NDEs don't happen on hospital beds. But many of those people are told they have to return because they haven't finished what they came for and they'd have to do it all over again if they don't return to finish their human life. My personal experience is not from any drugs, but I was sitting in my chair one day and a feeling of emmense peace came over me. I'd never felt anything like it before. Ever since I've been more or less agnostic about God and theology and all the details the religious and atheists seem to always get caught up in, funny enough. And I've become very gnostic about life being more than physical. I have no fear of death because a part of me just knows it's not the end, and that part just knows that the more that comes after is not bad in any way. I have no proof, it's just an intuition. But when I've considered the accounts of others who had NDEs or spiritual awakenings they all speak in the same manner. I don't need convincing from some stupid old book about Spirit, I just know. I wish that same peace upon all who seek it. But perhaps some need the hunger from not knowing that peace to fulfill their purpose. But idk about those details. Agnostic. Anyways, I hope some of that may be insightful, but regardless, have a good day.

The sheer brutality and suffering inherent in the natural world runs counter to a loving God. JWs and others say it was all good before "the Fall', but that is ridiculous. Life evolved as a ruthless struggle for survival and has existed as such for aeons.

I STAND ON...THEIR IS NOOO SKY DADDY SITTING IN THE CLOUDS WATCHING AND JUDGING HUMANS!! MAN CREATED GOD...TO CONTROL AND PUT FEAR IN PEOPLE! THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO

I like to believe there is a higher being. With the childhood I had, & many have had I'm sure someone helped me get through it. Although it makes no sense why innocent children die & some live to old age that are evil. From all the nde stories I've heard there's nothing to fear anyway after death, they always say there is only love there.

Hi everyone, thanks Loyd for your good job❤❤

Thumbs up for this video. Yes, I believe you were talking to yourself, not god. But that doesnt mean that it was a wasted or unprofitable experience. We know that all peoples, across geography and time, have sought out the experience provided by mind-altering substances. So what should we conclude from that? IMO, we can conclude that there's something intrinsic to Homo sapiens that causes us to seek out such experiences. Because we're seekers, I think. In a sense, we're the universe trying to know itself, and we have two pathways to that. One path is science, which describes the literal truth from the outside in, so to speak. The other is all the ways -- art, literature, philosophy, and more -- that we use to try to describe truth from the inside out, so to speak, and that's a different truth that we might call cosmic truth. So your conversation with god? It didn't happen -- literally, that is. But it may very well be true as allegory, which means it could contain cosmic truth. We know Aesop's Fables aren't literal (historical) truth, because animals don't speak and interact as humans do. But they're true as allegory -- cosmic truth. But I ramble. Sorry of the Internet sin of tl;dr!

I love this title. I still believe that some force explains our existence, but not that of a caring/loving god. I describe him as the absent father figure, indifferent to the plight of his offspring. And while my own situation is fairly stable, that has often not been true. I was tied up with the JW for 30 years, baptized right as I graduated high school.

Nice honest share of self challenging ourselves about the world around us. God included. Thank you Lloyd. Ravenmicra

Good to see again Lloyd...

I struggle with this issue, I believe in a God but what sort of God is he? one part of the bible that made me really sit and think is when king David sinned he was given 3 choices of punishment, he chose 3 days of pestilence by God because of his tender mercies. As a result of those tender mercies 70,000 people died by a angel of god, made me think if that is a example of tender mercy make sure you dont get him angry.

my best wishes for you lloyd

Agnostic Athiest ex jw here. Lloyd I suggest examining the work of Paul Wallis on his eponymous channel, and his The 5th Kind channel, as a starting point, and see where that leads you ❤

Hi! I came to this exact same conclusion way back in late primary school. Once this happened I felt relief from trying to make sense out of something that makes no sense as well as loneliness & profound un-protected. Im sure you can imagine how difficult is was feeling this way & having to pretend beleve as a JW kid. By this time Id already seen many examples of what happened to other family members that were caught out for believing & other rediculas non-sins. Once I got into so much trouble the 1st time caught m*st*rb*t*ng & then even more so the 2nd time I remember saying this to myself so clearly ( I was still in primary school), "If this goes on like this for 6 more months theyle kill me literally, either directly or indirectly from depression, s**c*d* or dangers exposed to by being kicked out of home or having to leave to survive". This was deadly serious, not a joke. I made sure they NEVER found out again & they never did.

From your friend in Canada Lloyd, I’m proud of you and your journey. I do not see a nihilistic atheist. I see a very spiritual man wrestling with God.

I find your video very interesting! I am not against the idea of doing mushrooms for healing, I feel that I am a metaphysically spiritual person now I can never believe in an organized religion God or diety! As I said in my interview with you it took me 8 years to even be able to contemplate being a metaphysical person. The fear that Jehovah's witnesses have put into me stop me from challenging or searching for another possibility of God! So I find this interview very interesting because I've always been one to challenge my ability to find personal growth. Although it will never be with some kind of an organized religion who chooses to use their God to control others! Thus taking away friends and family and leaving you in a position where you need to find a way to heal. So I think that you found some kind of a growing experience I do not feel that it is a schizophrenic idea in your communication with so-called God! And I don't think that it's anybody's business to even pry into your growth experience. Thank you for sharing this has been something that I have thought of doing during my growth experience. All starting with equine therapy and then I have done akashic reading and other things that would be considered woo woo or satanic in the eyes of Christians. I have discovered in my time away from Jehovah's witnesses for 13 years that I have been given gifts myself that would be considered woo woo or satanic. I feel that your gift from the universe is to help heal others during their experiences I've lost it in death or spiritually by Jehovah's witnesses! Again thank you for sharing

Top notch logical reasoning 👍

We readily accept relativity, consciously or not. That is, that everything is defined by what it is not. Up is defined by down and vice versa. Left is defined by right, hot is defined by cold and on and on. There is no escaping it. And yes, right is defined by wrong, good by evil, real by unreal, what works by what doesn’t work. What, pray tell would a perfect existence look like? Would there be no problems or challenges? Would there be no situations that cause us to consider if change/improvement was called for? If so, how would we know or appreciate the value of such an existence if there was nothing else? What need would we have of faith and all of the strength and beauty that faith engenders? If there was nothing but absolute perfection, then how exactly would or could it be defined and appreciated or even fully experienced? How would an almighty God even experience itself? All us can point to examples of where we personally experienced physical, mental or even spiritual growth by having gone through adversity. Is this not so? How else exactly do we progress without rising above difficulty? I guess I’m trying to say that we should be careful about cursing the darkness for without it how would we appreciate the light? Using the argument that God cannot exist simply because of our troubles is not evidence of Gods non-existence, but rather of our own lack of awareness of what free will would inherently and necessarily entail both individually and collectively and the long range benefits of our manifold experiences. P.S. personal for Lloyd: move on my brother. Being curious about Watchtower, given our shared history with that organization, is one thing, having a big chunk of our lives after we’re out be about them is another. And monetizing our discontent reasonably calls into question our motivations. With your talents…. you could do better.

With out evil there can be no good without free will there can be neither good nor evil…. we are how we are…. or we are robots…..

I thought the god in the KZfaq channel DarkMatter2525 was a parody, but with the Bible next to it I discovered that it actually says so. Highly recommended to see this!

This life is it, live it to your best, live by the golden rule and that's it. This is my philosophy

Thank you 🙏👍

I would recommend considering the possibility that maybe just all of existance is god. All of us are an expression of the universe observing itself, learning itself through all types of personalities. No reason to look for God anywhere else. There's even bible scriptures that point to this idea, and yet christians are hung up on the micro managing god of the old testament that Jesus is completely at odds with. No reason to worship any deity. Just take care of ourselves in every way possible. If everything eventually comes down to a single eternal source, then everything is connected. Don't see how it could be any other way. If nothing else, it keeps me down to earth realizing no one is better than any one. Even if you think there's no consciousness behind the universe, well, we are conscious, and when you go as far back into history to the point of a single celled organism, we literally built ourselves from the ground up, including all of nature and every organism.

This is interesting but I think it would be good to also hear your views on what is love? ( Baby don't hurt me) Also you said at one point "is there a God out there?" But isn't God also omnipresent? i.e. present in you and also in suffering, death, love, unlove, agony, pain.

If I could stop child abuse, war or disease, I would. If God supposedly HAS the power and doesn’t stop any of it, then why? I remember, a few years back you said something like “if there was a God, they must look down on the earth and use it like a coliseum, watching us suffer.” I never forgot that. I haven’t believed in a God for about 7yrs now ❤❤ take care Lloyd

What if God is within you and the unloving part is ego and has zero to do with God?

I tried this reasoning with my JW dad one day after he kept preaching at me. It didn't work. He called me selfish for being upset at my own suffering.. huh?? Some people can be so unreasonable. Thank you for putting it so eloquently. I hope you continue to enjoy your mushroom journey as well! It can be quite the trip (pun intended)

At 16.12 Lloyd you reminded me of Peter Cook and Dudley Moore in Bedazzled 1967 Sin of Pride scene, where you can see the silliness of worship

After reading the Bible through many times, I realized bad things happen to good people so watch your back. There is no entity, imo, who watches over, helps or notices humans. Jehovah was a malevolent ET.

It’s all about you Lloyd. How many times did you say “I”? Stop board-casting and take some time out. You helped me once but this is ridiculous now .

Lloyd you look exhausted and sad, do not give up hope or looking on the bright side of life, while you look for answers, truth and facts do not lose your human spirit for life. I believe in your work however you are not your work, you are something more than that, love yourself and those around you. Love is the answer. Please read about Stephen Hawkings and his quest and ideas about God, and his disability, I think it may help you. He lived a remarkable and beautiful life. Btw I miss the prank calls to "tight pants Tony"!😂😂❤

the accurate answer should not be " I am 99,5% sure..." it should be "Until a new scientific fact is presented I am 100% sure..."

This is very interesting. I wonder with all the pain and hate we see in this world, when, where, how and why did we learn the word love.

Why should God wait for mushroom, a particular mushroom, to show himself?🍄‍🟫 Mushroom God 😂. If properties of a particular mushroom causing such effects can be pinpointed then it’s just those properties’ interactions with your brain that cause such effects. Nothing to do with God.

" I don't believe in an interventionalist God" - Nick Cave

I think there are a lot of aspects of what we call "self" that are generally below the level of our surface consciousness, and there can be deep meaning and value in connecting and communicating with those various aspects. None of them are "perfect," but they can hold resources and insights beyond what our surface mind is usually capable of. Regarding "God," I liked Rabbi Kushner's book in the 70s, "When Bad Things Happen to Good People." He was a theist promoting theism, but he started from the given (as supported by the evidence of reality) that God could not be both all good and all loving. He made the case for worshipping a loving God. I'm not a theist (I'm agnostic on the point), but I found this very valuable, and decades later, I still reference it fairly often. To me it's relevant whether a person chooses to "worship" (assign worth to) Love or Power. It's always a tradeoff, and the people who choose power are much worse people. Of course, not everyone who chooses love succeeds very well at it, but to me it's relevant what someone is aiming at. Don't know if any of that is useful, but that's my 2 cents on each topic.

For me if a god exist that created everything then he is just like a person who built a house but is not concerned with the microbes in the house. BIG IF

To quote John McClane in Die Hard, "Welcome to the party, pal." 😉

i agree its a non intervening god unconditional love

I have extensive personal experience in this field Lloyd!!! I may have to Whatapp my full thoughts but I'm so glad you've dipped your toes. There are drugs that tie you down to base needs like H and C then there are drugs that can elevate you to a higher consciousness and if done in the right way and with the right intent can lead to enlightenment (Shamanism). When I have done trips and reached that place, I have found that Eastern religions view of God as in we are all One energy rings true, maybe try exploring that avenue of God. It made a lot more sense to me. For light to exist, you need darkness, for shadow to exist there must be light. God is everything that makes up the whole universe in my experience, including you and me, and you can tap into that feeling of being part of the Whole when you trip... See what you think on the next one

By the way, your experience is perfectly understandable. Totally get it!

I do believe there should be a Creator. However I sometimes fall in the gray area of believing if a God exists and mankind is waiting for a paradise because a couple dinned, is not just ! How long more does God need to finish all this and make a new beginning: mankind has written history for centuries and yes, we need to finish this ??

Would you be willing to talk to ex jw believers about it Lloyd in a sort of not confrontational discussion? Like with logic and reason kindness and a copy of the divine plan of the ages and the Book of Mormon or whatever? I would enjoy an episode with that if you would be willing to do it. I think your listeners would find it interesting. I still believe but I struggle and listen to Christopher Hitchens and read philosophy etc. I wish you only happiness peace and success and growth. So many are so grateful for your channel and activism. You do a lot of good sir. Keep it up. I’m in therapy and still don’t know what to believe half the time. You are brilliant, brave, and funny and bring so much to the wax jw community. I’m sure I’m not the only one who from the bottom of my heart says thank you for being you. Rock on man let’s get to 120 thousand subs and expose the watchtower for what it is. You make a difference. And make the lives of ex Jws better. ❤️

You took the words right out of my mouth ❤

The Greek/Roman/Canaanite god pantheon honestly seems more plausible than the Christian god. One all-powerful god who is has intricate control over everything? Or the god of storms vs the god of the sun, getting in a stupid argument and humans happen to be in the way?

I'm quite happy to be labelled an atheist *or* a polytheist - as it is quite clear that there is no 'one' being in charge, and that, whatever beings are out there, none of them are 'omni'-anything.

Grazie.

I'm Christian but must say that I like the Jewish take on life and death. We all have a soul within us when we are born. Our soul comes from heaven where souls live when they are not in body. Our soul is eternal. When we die our soul slips from our body and returns to heaven. Our soul either choses to come to earth for the experience or was asked to come here to complete a mission. Life on earth is a learning experience for the soul. Body and soul have free will on earth, the free will is the attraction to come here but comes with consequences. Some lives are shorter than others, some get miscarried, lots of bad things happens but this is what we signed up for. Our soul can choose to stay in heaven or come back to earth for another experience. It sounds pretty exciting and it gives me hope. It pains me to see you look so lost Lloyd. Take care.

God and Jesus have sat in heaven for thousands of years....watching war after war rape slavery murder genocide and every unimaginable atrocity you could possibly imagine

If you do mushrooms again, or even if not, contemplate the concept that we manifest our own reality. Including our own "Higher Self" or "Higher Power." Maybe loving people manifest loving gods (and experiences) and evil manifest an unloving god (and bad experiences.) Thus the suffering in the world.

Good to see you🫂💜

I find it interesting that the Bible says one can learn about God's qualities by examining the things made; In other words: God's nature is revealed in HIS creation. Different people see different things, I guess.

I agree completely with your conclusion.

Lloyd, I've also had a conversation that on the surface could resemble the schizophrenic self-induced rumblings of deity starved consciousness. Like you, my impression was that of narcissistic being Except.. it wasnt induced by schrooms, the clearly vocalized arguments i heard were intellectually superior to everything i could come up with. ALSO There was an offer that was put on the table and most exciting of all, THERE WAS a tangible , residual benefit I was left with. The conclusion if i may is as follows: we are not top of the foodchain, there are beings out there much superior to us in terms of longevity, intelligence and maliciousness. Power hungry gods of thunders and lightnings not to be confused with one who spawned JC ;who is also misrepresented, puzzingly uninvolved and whispers rather than shouts. I never comment but perhaps you'd like to hear the full story?

People make up incredible stories about God but they never stop to realise their contradictory statements like "God is a God of love" "God is a jealous God" .. the one being the opposite of the other and many many more. Lloyd, does JW cult use AI to produce its literature? And perhaps the 5 yearly republishing of what it calls a bible?

Really good points you bring out

Lloyd is just honest, I respect that.

God is a concept that was handed to you on a silver platter. If you use the term Creator, you’ll end up reaching more logical conclusions about what this experience is.

You asked if there are any flaws in your logic? Well, the Love questioning is natural, all the suffering, the Warrior and kind of unreachable God in the Ancient Testament seems pointing towards that. That’s why I think His Son Jesus Christ came to Earth to show another or the True Personality of God which is Love . And giving the violent and suffering conditions we are living in since the beginning it is extremely hard for humans to comprehend such a Love from Creator. The greatest act of God’s love was in sending his son as sacrifice versus the humanity which is huge and unique when you think about it even within heavens . They must all have been shocked.And buy the way, the Bible stresses that above all , humain condition , or later the paradise is secondary , God’s universal sovereign kingdom and His will are paramount. Basically take it or leave it. As for the wicked ones, the demons and the Devil who are ruling the world and look at the state of it ? Monstrous , disastrous since the rebellion against God. So all this suffering and search for the Truth of God and the Earth drama play is all about “God’s will “. If any of His creatures in heaven or earth are keeping in the only truth and will of God or use they free will in an absolute way but suffering the consequences. Human history has always been about that whether literature, philosophy, mythology romans or movies . Bad vs Good is part of Human DNA. No way Evolution could have created such common ground in human consciousness.

Maybe a hands off God ? Just saying.

the christ letters to me personally has explained a content understanding to me

You where talking to yorselv , with your inner essence 👍 listen to yourself …

There is a god, but not a sky daddy with full oversight and responsibility. It‘s more like a „god“ consciousness exploring possibilities

this is the question ive always contemplated,in view of life experiences ..if god exists ..what kind of god ..?if loving then why such cruelty evil behaviour,why do we have to kill ,in order to survive..? do more of these videos please its so cruicial..

There is one way God can exist and be a loving God and have us live in a world like this and that is is if this world is a Terrible Gift. I have been seeing and talking to God and spirit beings all my life. I visited God in the cosmos when i was eighteen. I am 74 now. God is of great and profound love. He said this world was a terrible gift but it doesn't last so very long and we would be with Him. He said HE became a man, Jesus Christ, to share it with us. How can a gift be something terrible? What if we would never be content to be under God if we didn't know what life would be like if we went it without HIM? The fallen angels were thrown to earth because mankind sided with Satan. Soon this will be over and an eternity of happiness be ours. One more thing. I saw the spirit of a child come into an apartment to see his mother after we had been to Catholic confession where she had confessed to having had an abortion some years earlier. Angels, small cloud beings ,were with him. I talked with an angel and his emotions of loss and sadness almost threw me to the floor and it saying,"It's a child that should have been but will never be.". It was so important that the child should have lived on this earth even with all its suffering. +++There was a response on the previous comment that criticized the idea of suffering being able to be a gift but said they were not able to post on the site they wanted to. Must be me. Can a gift include suffering? I am the biggest baby when it comes yo suffering. You suffer pain in surgery to get well. You suffer work to support yourself and family. In military boot camp you suffer so as to be able to fight. The fact is 1. There are demons . 2. Humans sided with demons. Now we are in this mess and life in the rest of the universe is not, but living a life called Paradise. Just a fact that iI have personally witnessed. You ultimately can't argue with what is. And, God becoming a man suffered greatly,too. Maybe you might consider that a being who always existed, is everywhere with its mind, probably knows better than we do. Ever seen people in Hell? Ever seen a demon,? I have. And all of them couldn't be anyplace else as they are evil through and through, hating and wanting to destroy and kill. A gift can sometimes hurt for a while but lead to a wonderful ending/beginning. When you see suffering you are seeing something created by fallen angels and man. God cannot and will not do evil snd suffering but will allow others to do it for awhile. Suffering has everything to do with free human will and from this everything fell to its own level. The question is not is God malevolent but are fallen angels and mankind malevolent? The fallen angels and mankind are imprisoned together here on this world where their evil is enclosed. If God let mankind loose on the Paradise Universe it would be like setting wolves on lambs. Now, everyone has to arrive at certain level of understanding and goodness before being allowed out. But, you may say babies and children are good and sweet. Watch : Google -Star Trek: Deep Space Nine,. The Abandoned, touch watch, at Pluto is free, and see what you think.. Then consider the meaning of original sin. This is a man made movie but gets a point across.

bart ehrmans book gods problem is awesome in regards to this topic

Throughout the millennia, Mankind has created hundreds and hundreds and gods and goddesses. Yet, to date, there is not one shred of evidence, mushrooms notwithstanding, that any of these gods or goddesses actually exists.

GOD is limited and 'maybe' a lesser deity within a specified pantheon. A loving GOD?

I totally agree with you

This channel is a Atheist channel now so sad

Lloyd, there are many reasons why the idea of an interventionalist god doesn't make sense, but probably the biggest reason, the elephant in the room if you like is the question of suffering. I suppose we are talking about the god of the three Abrahamic religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam. This is really the point I think you are making. There are many people who have found this issue the tipping point. For example Bart Ehrman, the famous professor of biblical history. He is not alone. I'm sure you have heard of him. Most of his teachings and books are very good and are quite well researched, except for what he says about the historicity of Jesus, where I think he is, unusually, disingenuous, and arrogant, but that's another story. Anyway, it's interesting that he says that it is the issue of suffering that made him stop being a Christian, though I have never heard him explain it in detail..

I suspect that we expect too much of god's love. I think that we should be thankful that he created this planet habitable with sun hot just enough to support life on our planet (an neither too hot or too cold), and that he created or at least enabled life to exist on this planet. We still didn't find another planet with life. We found only dead, barren planets where life is impossible for one or another reason. It can be proof for our god's great love.

1. **If God is willing to prevent evil but not able, then he is not omnipotent.** - Could it be that limitations are inherent to even divine nature? If so, how do we redefine omnipotence in a way that accommodates these limits? - Might God have a greater plan that justifies temporary suffering? How do we reconcile human suffering with divine benevolence in such a scenario? 2. **If he is able but not willing, then he is malevolent.** - Is it possible that what we perceive as malevolence is a form of divine tough love meant to foster growth or resilience? What ethical framework supports this view? - How does the existence of free will influence God’s capacity to prevent evil without being malevolent? 3. **If he is both able and willing, then whence cometh evil?** - Could evil be a necessary counterpart to good, providing moral choices for humanity? How does this duality fit into the concept of a perfect creation? - Might there be unknown cosmic battles or balances that justify the presence of evil in the world? 4. **If he is neither able nor willing, then why call him God?** - What attributes must a being possess to be considered divine? Is power over evil one of them? - Could "God" be a symbol for ideals rather than an actual sentient being? How would this symbolic interpretation alter religious or spiritual practices? 5. **If God exists in a realm beyond human comprehension, could our human notions of 'evil' misinterpret events that are morally neutral in the divine perspective?** - How do we discern divine morality if it operates on an incomprehensible level? What methods could humans use to understand such a moral system? 6. **If God is all-knowing, how does he view human suffering? Does he perceive it the same way we do, or is there a divine rationale that justifies apparent tragedies?** - What philosophical justifications can reconcile an omniscient god with the harsh realities of human life? 7. **If our understanding of good and evil is flawed or limited, might there be a higher moral order that justifies apparent injustices?** - What could be the nature of this higher moral order? How might it fundamentally differ from human ethics? 8. **If God’s power or willingness to prevent evil is somehow conditional, what are those conditions?** - Are there cosmic rules or laws even God must follow? What might these be, and who, if anyone, enforces them? 9. **If God has a reason for allowing evil, do humans have a right to know what it is?** - What implications does this have for faith and the way humans live their lives? 10. **If there is no divine reason for evil, what does that imply about the universe and our place in it?** - How should we then live, knowing that evil is random or inherent in the cosmos?