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Why Airlines WON'T use the Boeing 747 Anymore

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The last 747 is about to me manufactured and delivered to cargo airline Atlas Air later this year. After this, the 747 will not be manufactured anymore. An era of 53 years is coming to the end. Why is this magnificient aircraft that revolutionized air travel when it was first introduced suddenly obsolete?
Let's find out! We'll take a close look at ETOPS and why all planes today only have two, not four engines.
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@LemonLadyRecords
@LemonLadyRecords Жыл бұрын
It was considered a real experience to fly on a 747 in the 60/70s, with free champagne and decent food even in economy (KLM the epitome). She is my all time favorite plane for long haul (I've never flown Airbus). Very smooth plane, (those huge wings).
@b778fan2
@b778fan2 Жыл бұрын
I want to make 747 again. It is the most important plane. I am writing a novel to inspire people to bring back the 747. It turned out to be the "Best Thing Every tourist Never Had." I will also make a new 787 variant too as well.
@BuzzSargent
@BuzzSargent Жыл бұрын
I always choose the Boing 747 when given the chance. I just love the way she handles bad weather and that roar when she takes off. I know this means little to most: I think the 747 with the upstairs lounge was the king of travel. It did not last long but, it was great. Happy Trails
@rogbrown1458
@rogbrown1458 Жыл бұрын
4 engines over 2 especially enroute to la.rog.ps records.
@a.j.haverkamp4023
@a.j.haverkamp4023 Жыл бұрын
The roar of the 4 engines on the 747 while landing still makes me smile. The sound of the huge amount of power is amazing.
@OceanDriveSpeeder
@OceanDriveSpeeder Жыл бұрын
The sound Scotch makes rolling into my rock glass in the upstairs lounge of the B-747 makes me smile. And that my friends is Flying!
@andrewlockwood6102
@andrewlockwood6102 Жыл бұрын
The A380 is a magnificent aircraft to fly in as a passenger. It is smooth, quiet and spacious. I was lucky enough to be invited into the cockpit with my 3 boys, after landing. Despite the size of the aircraft, the cockpit seemed quite tight and small. A photo of my young boys sitting at the controls, wearing the captain's hat, is a treasured memory.
@stephenprice5882
@stephenprice5882 Жыл бұрын
Wow. How did you get invited into the cockpit with your kids?
@lordjim1933
@lordjim1933 Жыл бұрын
“Joey, do you like Gladiator movies?”
@andrewlockwood6102
@andrewlockwood6102 Жыл бұрын
@@stephenprice5882we knew the pilot. 😜
@andrewemery4272
@andrewemery4272 Жыл бұрын
@@lordjim1933 Ever been in a Turkish prison?
@juliemanarin4127
@juliemanarin4127 Жыл бұрын
I have flown in both the Airbus and the 747...both were magnificent!
@Sacto1654
@Sacto1654 Жыл бұрын
The plane that pretty much ended the age of the 747 was actually another Boeing model, the 777-300ER. Originally designed with a range of just over 7,000 nautical miles, the 777-300ER actually got a range boost to 7,700 nautical miles, and that made it possible for airlines to phase out even 747-400's. By the end of 2019, 777-300ER's were often flying routes that used to be flown by the 747.
@AirspaceVideos
@AirspaceVideos Жыл бұрын
true, the 777-300ER was definitely a factor
@mikeske9777
@mikeske9777 Жыл бұрын
I completely agree with that statement that the 777-300ER replaced the 747-400 on most routes as I worked on the 747 line at Everett, Washington from early 1988 to 1993 and then transferred to the 777 line for my final 25 years at Boeing. The first time saw the completed and fitted out 777-300ER for Air France I knew that the 747 days were numbered for the passenger market.
@train_xc
@train_xc 4 ай бұрын
The 777 stated killing the 747s and 380s. The A350s put the final nails
@SimonAmazingClarke
@SimonAmazingClarke Жыл бұрын
The reason why the A380 was built, despite the increased fuel costs, was because airports were reaching their capacity of landings and take offs. With the spacing between aircraft, there is a limit to the amount of aircraft that one runway can handle per day. The A380 was designed to carry two or three times the number of passengers so one landing transported more people, reducing the amount of aircraft using the airport. Unfortunately, it didn't work out the way that Airbus had hoped.
@TheSulross
@TheSulross Жыл бұрын
pilot scarcity brings the concept back into consideration
@kooisengchng5283
@kooisengchng5283 Жыл бұрын
it took 4 times as long to board or disembark.
@kevinrayner5812
@kevinrayner5812 Жыл бұрын
Yes I was going to add the rush to twin engine planes assumes infinite air space and airport availability and unlimited supply of air crews. It has been a joke that since exiting Covid restrictions London Heathrow is operating at half of its normal capacity due to staff shortages. I do accept that a bigger plane also requires more ground handlers. In ten years time will there be the capacity for all these twin jets?
@bftjoe
@bftjoe Жыл бұрын
A380 has more wake turbulence than other planes. Many airports are not even slot controlled. You are just wrong.
@hayleyxyz
@hayleyxyz 2 жыл бұрын
"Engines Turn Or Passengers Swim" 😁
@AirspaceVideos
@AirspaceVideos 2 жыл бұрын
😁
@cassandrakarpinski9416
@cassandrakarpinski9416 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, its not exactly wrong. I mean air transat 236 was an absolute fluke, and it very nearly ended in the ocean, even after touching down in the Azores (plane used up 2.3 km of the 3 km runway, and at the end of the runway was a cliff)
@DsYkX
@DsYkX 2 жыл бұрын
Quite sure I heard that from Sam (Wendover Productions) :P
@hayleyxyz
@hayleyxyz 2 жыл бұрын
@@DsYkX Me too! I think that's where I first heard it. Quite an old video of his now.
@anderssvensk4317
@anderssvensk4317 2 жыл бұрын
LMAO 🤣
@phmiii
@phmiii Жыл бұрын
I worked on the manufacture of the 747 for over 10-years. It is sad to see it go!
@train_xc
@train_xc 4 ай бұрын
It was sad, but 747 had an amazingly long journey. Happy retirement
@TheSooupMan
@TheSooupMan Жыл бұрын
I did fly the Queen for 3000 hrs or 5 years, it was the best years of my 32 years in aviation, flying A300-600, MD90, B777-200, A320 family The 747-400 was Built well, Redundant, Range, Easy to fly, 6 electric generators, 4 hydraulic systems, A crew of 4 pilots and 23 flight attendants, Had a lavatory and a 2 bunk beads inside the flight deck, and it had a mystique effect on all airline staff when interacting with me, more respect from staff and passengers, Don’t get me wrong, but it was a privilege that I thankfully enjoined.
@AirspaceVideos
@AirspaceVideos Жыл бұрын
I can only imagine! It's an amazing piece of engineering and aviation's history.
@anonyfamous42
@anonyfamous42 11 ай бұрын
More respect 😅🤣😂
@tgambogi
@tgambogi Жыл бұрын
The video was fascinating. The 747 was a workhorse iconic airplane. Like 10 AM, TWA, Ozark, Eastern, PSA it’s sad to see them gone. Thanks for the video
@AirspaceVideos
@AirspaceVideos Жыл бұрын
thank you!
@robinoconnor1203
@robinoconnor1203 Жыл бұрын
I find the phasing out of the 747 very sad. I have flown transatlantic on a few of them. Quite close to my home in the UK, there is an airfield with a long line of 747s ready for parting out, some are not very old. Its good to see Lufthansa is still operating a fleet of them. Would I be happy flying transatlantic on a twin, heck no!
@autodidact537
@autodidact537 Жыл бұрын
The passenger version of the 747 might be gone but the freighter 747s will be flying for a while yet.
@robinoconnor1203
@robinoconnor1203 Жыл бұрын
@@autodidact537 That's true, I believe the final pair are currently in production at the moment.
@adlibbed2138
@adlibbed2138 Жыл бұрын
​@@robinoconnor1203 came from the future that it did finally came to an end
@OMG_No_Way
@OMG_No_Way 2 жыл бұрын
You got me at 7:00. I was like “What!. That’s not what it means.” 😂😂 Also., every video of yours, I’m reminded about your comment, a long time ago, about your English and that you weren’t exactly happy with it. My original thought still stands. It’s perfect bud. Do not be embarrassed about it. No doubt it’s not your first language. But it’s impressive how perfect English is as your second. Be proud about it and don’t ever give it a second though. There’s a lot of people out there that would be jealous if their second language sounded half as good as yours does. 👍
@patriciaramsey5294
@patriciaramsey5294 2 жыл бұрын
Same here! Your videos ROCK! Today I watched you before the Mayday and 3 greens channels. Keep up the good work!
@AirspaceVideos
@AirspaceVideos 2 жыл бұрын
awww thank you so much you two!
@kevinb3812
@kevinb3812 Жыл бұрын
I agree. I really like your voice and I am an American, English speaker. You are pleasing to listen to, better than most!
@georgiathai4961
@georgiathai4961 Жыл бұрын
I had 14 years on the 747 Classic and -400, and 26 years on the Lockheed L-1011 TriStar. I used to tell the copilots on the 747s that they would tell their grandchildren they flew the airplane. Wonderful machines. I’m glad I retired off of the 747. 777, A350, etc.,…they’re all cool and beautiful airplanes, but never really had a huge desire to fly them. The 747 is probably the last true “stick-and-rudder” airplane. No fly-by-wire, no auto trim, etc. A pilot’s airplane. The -400 had a lot of the “magic” if you wanted it, but you could also turn all that junk off, look at a runway and land on it. Great video. Sure brought back some memories. Thank you for uploading it.
@danharold3087
@danharold3087 Жыл бұрын
I would like to hear your about you experiance flying the TriStar. We are told it was the best of the triple engine planes and little else.
@nicholasjohnson6724
@nicholasjohnson6724 Жыл бұрын
The Lockheed TriStar was a beautiful nd safe aircraft. Sadly, QANTAS here in Australia never had them.....
@georgiathai4961
@georgiathai4961 Жыл бұрын
@@danharold3087 I wrote one little story about it. Search “Tristar and Me”. It’s on the World Airline Historical Society website under Captain’s Log. Mark
@danharold3087
@danharold3087 Жыл бұрын
@@georgiathai4961 Thanks for the link it was much enjoyed. Sounds like a very enjoyable career. Kudos
@georgiathai4961
@georgiathai4961 Жыл бұрын
@@danharold3087 Oh man…more fun than a human being should be allowed to have!
@established_on_the_run
@established_on_the_run 2 жыл бұрын
Very fascinating! Definitely makes me feel safer flying knowing there are such strict and redundant qualifications, especially the two separate maintenance personnel part. Amazing that planes like the A350 can practically cover the entire globe and even smaller ones can hop greater distances over water (like some B737 variants that go to Hawaii). Aviation has come a long way. I’ll miss seeing the trijets, though. Those are/were my favorites.
@finenebula
@finenebula Жыл бұрын
DC-10....... Air Crash Investigation's favourite airplane!
@michaelcap9550
@michaelcap9550 Жыл бұрын
@@finenebula As seen on the Quest channel show Mayday.
@peaceraybob
@peaceraybob Жыл бұрын
Boeing 737 MAX. Two engines, twice as many crashes.
@portalwalker_
@portalwalker_ 2 жыл бұрын
9:40 Aren't the routes curved because of the 2d projection of a 3d sphere? I believe the flight routes are pretty much straight when viewed on a 3d globe
@fluffigverbimmelt
@fluffigverbimmelt 2 жыл бұрын
You are correct.
@blakebrown2125
@blakebrown2125 Жыл бұрын
Rhumb line
@fwqkaw
@fwqkaw Жыл бұрын
@@blakebrown2125 ?
@NondescriptMammal
@NondescriptMammal Жыл бұрын
Yes, on any map where the latitude lines are parallel, e.g. Mercator, the great circle (shortest) path will be shown as a curve that bends toward the nearest pole, unless the path is exactly on the equator
@aeroplod
@aeroplod Жыл бұрын
@@blakebrown2125 A great circle!
@jmWhyMe
@jmWhyMe Жыл бұрын
I don't have a problem with twins. What I do have a problem with is narrow body long haul flights, because you can't easily move about the cabin during flight as you can on wide body twin aisles. Thus can lead to emboli and other health issues, especially as flights get longer and airlines pack more passengers into less space to maximize profit, such as the move to ten across on the A-350 series, and ever shortening seat pitches in economy. So planes like the 321XLR may be cheered by airline execs, but passengers should avoid them like the plague!
@AirspaceVideos
@AirspaceVideos Жыл бұрын
I've never flown longhaul on a narrowbody, but I too expect it must be dreadful...
@peggyking9543
@peggyking9543 Жыл бұрын
Airbus leads and Boeing will follow. The mental picture of stretching a 737 for long haul flights and packing more humans in - with the longer trek to the loo down insufficient aisle space - gives one nightmares. Great idea for everyone but the passengers.
@OceanDriveSpeeder
@OceanDriveSpeeder Жыл бұрын
Back in the Ol' days United Stretch DC-8's flew Denver to Honolulu, and let me tell you, that was a long ride in a narrow tube. Still better than changing planes in SFO or LAX. I'd do it again!
@SantaCruzGal65
@SantaCruzGal65 Жыл бұрын
As a kid raised in a Pan AM family it's sad to see no more 747 flying. My dad was with the original group of staff that did all the necessary shake outs in Roswell, NM. I extra sad because I never got to fly in a 747.
@kennixox262
@kennixox262 Жыл бұрын
@@AirspaceVideos Well, you could have been like in the "good old days", if you were in the military like I was, pay $10.00 on a Space A seat across the Atlantic, Pacific and whatnot in the back of a C-141B. Relatively noisy, troop style seats on the sides, sometimes they had airline style seats, facing aft. A friendly loadmaster serving your boxed meal or on occasion if there was a comfort pallet onboard a hot TV dinner type meal. The current C-17 has better seats on the side if there are no airline seats on that particular mission and there is the C-5 with if I recall 88 seats upstairs in the rear, that long, long ladder to get you upstairs. Don't even get me started on the C-130, as in the good old days, a honey bucket with a toilet seat and or a urinal on the side. Have well over 8,000 hrs in the C-141B and C-17 combined. A cramped single aisle commercial jet will seem like heaven.
@heinzklinckwort2958
@heinzklinckwort2958 Жыл бұрын
An explanation out of the common, let me congratulate you for the ease of understanding, wonderful !! Wish had this knowledge when tried to convey the ETOPS message .. back then ..
@AirspaceVideos
@AirspaceVideos Жыл бұрын
thank you :))
@0800sofa
@0800sofa Жыл бұрын
The 787 and the A350 are truly incredible feats of engineering. I’ve only been an aviation enthusiast for about a year but it is incredible to see what planes are now since the very first times I travelled overseas
@PakkaponPhongtawee
@PakkaponPhongtawee 2 жыл бұрын
Really love the acronym joke 🤣🤣
@jjpae86
@jjpae86 2 жыл бұрын
Anyone else heard the story of when a Boeing exec was asked why he only flew on quad engine aircraft and he responded to the effect "because no one makes one with five" 😆 Can't find anything online to substantiate that quote but always made me smile
@AirspaceVideos
@AirspaceVideos Жыл бұрын
haha
@gordonsmith4884
@gordonsmith4884 Жыл бұрын
I heard that was the chairman of Avro.
@hudsonhollow
@hudsonhollow Жыл бұрын
One true story. A B-52 was returning to base after losing an engine. Some smart ass in a fighter came over the radio. "Oh, the horror of flying with only seven engines!!"
@Audiogeek-kf2ez
@Audiogeek-kf2ez Жыл бұрын
Actually , the 747/8 will continue as a speciality production product. It has 53 years of history, engineering, and their are parts for these aircraft all over the globe. This was announced several months ago. I think it will mainly be cargo air craft, and very rich people who customized their aircraft
@bagnome
@bagnome Жыл бұрын
Also, for several years now, the executive branch of the U.S. government's been wanting to replace its fleet of "Air Force One" aircraft, and I think they want those shiny new 747-8 aircraft.
@ArmyofSeaturtles
@ArmyofSeaturtles Жыл бұрын
@@bagnome U.S has already selected 747-8 as a replacement its under going modifications
@andrzejostrowski5579
@andrzejostrowski5579 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve only flown a quad jet over the Atlantic. It was either an A340, an A380 or a 747. A340 was the one I always liked the most. And I never put any thought to the number of engines.
@andyturbo
@andyturbo Жыл бұрын
A340 has 4 engines mate
@andrzejostrowski5579
@andrzejostrowski5579 Жыл бұрын
@@andyturbo Yes, all of them do.
@andyturbo
@andyturbo Жыл бұрын
@@andrzejostrowski5579 Exactly. Oh i misread your comment didn't see the first line 'quad jet' - my mistake
@sergiolaurencio7534
@sergiolaurencio7534 Жыл бұрын
All those 3 planes are amazing to fly! The 3 fantastics I called it!
@krismurphy7711
@krismurphy7711 Жыл бұрын
EXCELLENT video. I'm a Private Pilot and I found the info very informative. Great graphics.
@davepickering997
@davepickering997 Жыл бұрын
As a seasoned passenger, B747 or A380 and previous A340 are the most comfy bird. B787 is like travelling on a skateboard as operators skim and save on comfort and claw back with inflight Internet and $5 for a bottle of water. I love the 747, So many trips London -Sydney or NY.
@sergiolaurencio7534
@sergiolaurencio7534 Жыл бұрын
Main reason is that is all airlines have put the 787 the wrong use. This plane is just a new generation a330 supposed also to be 2-4-2, but (besides Japan airlines) all have it in 3-3-3 as it carries more passenger, profitable..... The sad thing is that things are like that these Days
@Jhihmoac
@Jhihmoac Жыл бұрын
The "Queen of the Skies" day has pretty much been eclipsed by these newer, completely computerized "fly by wire", dual-powerplant, long range jetliners and their fuel efficient GE90 modular engines that allow carriers to cut their operating and maintenance costs... However, there's still the 747s that were either originally built or modified for cargo service... _They're_ not going anywhere - not too soon, anyway!
@commerce-usa
@commerce-usa 2 жыл бұрын
As needs change and technologies evolve, economics rule business, including transportation. Harsh, but true. Nice job today, thank you. Loved the alternate for ETOPS. 👍
@pedrofigueiredo7850
@pedrofigueiredo7850 Жыл бұрын
in the summer of 1974 I boarded a 747 from Paris to San Francisco. As the plane was almost empty and came from Israel, it had a large load of strawberries. Remarkably on takeoff the tips of the wings vibrated slowly up and down, as in a bird. Due to unfavorable winds it flew over Uranium City and had to land in Las Vegas for fuel and the cabin became hot waiting under the Sun.
@ethlynnelidbetter2133
@ethlynnelidbetter2133 Жыл бұрын
You had me on the first description of ETOPS. Excellent video as well as comforting.
@MKPrive
@MKPrive 2 жыл бұрын
The A321Neo can also now do transatlantic crossings. I will be taking one from JFK to LHR in a few months.
@chuckvoss9344
@chuckvoss9344 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I never knew about the flight time rules.
@williammarkhart7047
@williammarkhart7047 Жыл бұрын
When I was stationed at DM Tucson Az. They were doing touch & go learning to land the new 747. They were not in use at that time, still testing. Then 2 years later I came back from Nam in a 747.
@andrewpinner3181
@andrewpinner3181 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Airspace ! Always interesting & informative.
@titob.yotokojr.9337
@titob.yotokojr.9337 Жыл бұрын
How about the problem we are now experiencing of an acute lack of pilots? Doesn't that make the 747 and 380 viable again?
@mtkoslowski
@mtkoslowski Жыл бұрын
Sorry but I don’t see the connection. What does the number of engines on an aircraft have to do with a pilot shortage?
@vincent412l7
@vincent412l7 Жыл бұрын
Fewer big planes need fewer pilots than more small planes; carry same number of passengers with fewer planes using available pilots.
@bondgabebond4907
@bondgabebond4907 Жыл бұрын
@@mtkoslowski I think he is implying that the Boeing 747 can carry far more passengers, requiring fewer aircraft. We'll see. I still don't fly. I had enough of that in the U.S. Air Force.
@charleskolthoff785
@charleskolthoff785 Жыл бұрын
I've flown the 747 and other 4 engine and 3 engine jets also the newer 2 engine jets. all were very nice. However the best flight I ever had was on a DC3 from Anchorage to Goodnews on the Bering sea and back. The plane was 81 years old 2 engine prop.
@AirspaceVideos
@AirspaceVideos Жыл бұрын
oh wow 😁
@jamesmedina2062
@jamesmedina2062 Жыл бұрын
why did you like the DC3 flight so much?
@TheColinChapman
@TheColinChapman Жыл бұрын
I'd say: "why PASSENGER airlines won't use the Boeing 747 anymore", I think the cargo versions of the 747 will remain airborne until 2050. as "air lorries", the 747 will remain to be of use still for a long long time.
@AirspaceVideos
@AirspaceVideos Жыл бұрын
good point
@vincent412l7
@vincent412l7 Жыл бұрын
And remember the 747 was designed to be converted for cargo. That's why the flight deck is upstairs, to allow straight through cargo loading through the nose. Boeing had expected the type to become obsolete with the advent of supersonic flight.
@peoplesambassadordm8279
@peoplesambassadordm8279 Жыл бұрын
Etops- 2 engine flights can fly further from airports... thatswhat went against quadjets being phased out slowly as engines have become sooo reliable
@A.R.77
@A.R.77 Жыл бұрын
ETOPS...I must say that really made my day! 😆
@peterturnham5134
@peterturnham5134 Жыл бұрын
That's an intelligent, discourse. over the last 15 years I have been working on the SNECMA CFM, and now the Safran LEAP both co-manufactured with GE. We get -15% econonomy with the LEAP. You can't ignore that. However, what you do not mention is that witth 9/11 and covid we spend more time checking in ques, security quues, getting on the plane. Getting off the plane, passing immigration, baggage customs. They are all long and difficult for one big plane. Two Two engine planes do it better. That doesn't mean I don't love the 747. Best commecial fllight in my life. By hazard I was upgraded to first class on Cathay Pacific 747. There were only two of us in the 1st class hump 747. There were 3 stewardesse's for two of us, Seriously TOP MODEL and so so attentive. Give me 747 380, have passengered it ( I only fly small planes) Beutiful, comfortable. but with the wing length you get a certain harmonic that gives vibration at certain height/speed .
@reezbeest
@reezbeest Жыл бұрын
Very nice to have those rules explained
@barrydysert2974
@barrydysert2974 Жыл бұрын
The Queen of the Skies! Like a petulant child i was angry when i heard that Her production was to be cancelled. i have been in a bit of a funk about it ever since. Your video helped me to accept the inevitable and be at peace with the end of Her production. After all She will be flying awhile yet! You were very kind in your treatment of both of the great rivals. i knew modern twins were light years ahead of the old four engine gas guzzlers. Your historical look (i like things that are grounded in history) really left me feeling like i was at a memorial service or tribute to Her. As i said, i am peaceful now about it. Thank you Chris!!! !:-) 💜🙏⚡️
@AirspaceVideos
@AirspaceVideos Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment ;) The name's chris though, peter is the guy with a million subscribers 🙃
@barrydysert2974
@barrydysert2974 Жыл бұрын
@@AirspaceVideos i am so EXTREMELY sorry Chris!!! i KNOW that You are not that other guy!!!! The sensitive treatment of both Boeing and Airbus makes more sense now! i through in the name as an afterthought... and it turned out to be a wet brain fart!:-( Please forgive me Swiss Chris. i was truly touched and put at peace by You !:-) 💜🙏⚡️
@barrydysert2974
@barrydysert2974 Жыл бұрын
@@AirspaceVideos i changed my most egregious error to reflect proper credit! Mea culpa! Maxima mea culpa !:-) 💜🙏⚡️
@kevinb3812
@kevinb3812 Жыл бұрын
A good, long time as a package hauler, from what I understand!
@JWUniverse
@JWUniverse Жыл бұрын
Even though it brings a Tear to my eye seeing the Big Girl go… But I will always remember the 777 being the First 2 Engine Aircraft to fly over the Ocean with 2 Engines… Which was why I love the 777 but I have to admit the A350 which is Airbus equal to the 777 is a much better Ride… Not too bad… I do feel safe Crossing the Ocean with 2 Engines. Its more along the lines of How much sleep my Pilots got. Is one of them going to Lock the other one out and crash the Aircraft. Did someone forget to Double check Engine repairs etc… Its not the Plane itself its the people Running them!
@freddyhoyt1849
@freddyhoyt1849 9 ай бұрын
I recently retired from being a flight attendant for 33 years and I flew on many 747 planes ✈️ on the 100 to the 800 planes ✈️ they were all a beautiful aircraft ever built
@tomjohnson1110
@tomjohnson1110 Жыл бұрын
I'm in my 60s and have never flown in a 747. There's still time for me, but I won't hold my breath. I've always associated the 747 with Pan American Airlines. I think when I first saw a 747 it was in a movie with the Pan Am livery. Now they're almost both gone. I thought it was a beautiful plane then and now think, it will never be surpassed in it's looks.
@sidharthharsh
@sidharthharsh Жыл бұрын
show many other youtube channels follow the pattern of only making the video on accidents of the planes , I like these types of videos where someone take about the ins and out of aircraft
@sian2337
@sian2337 6 ай бұрын
It is a beautiful plane. Growing up, my family and I would do transatlantic flights every year and it always felt special to fly on one. If I got to the gate and it wasn’t a 747, I’d feel a bit nervous, like only a 747 could make it across. I dont know why, there were plenty of 747 accidents, but to me they always seemed so sturdy and strong. I really miss them.
@danielabackstrom
@danielabackstrom 2 жыл бұрын
The queen of the skies❣️
@astrotrav
@astrotrav 2 жыл бұрын
Question: Not all planes of a particular model are ETOPS rated. Some 737s are ETOPS rated and other's aren't. And I think there was an incident a few years ago when a non-ETOPS plane was accidentally used to fly to Hawai'i. What additional equipment does an ETOPS 737 have?
@hayleyxyz
@hayleyxyz 2 жыл бұрын
A functioning APU is a requirement. I'm sure there are others, but that's just one I know of.
@AirspaceVideos
@AirspaceVideos 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, three generators is a requirement, among several other technical requirements that exceed the limitations of the classic minimum equipment list. In layman's terms, less stuff is allowed to be non-functional; you need a plane in pretty perfect condition to fly ETOPS routes (whereas some defects are allowable on routes that keep you within those 60 minutes)
@windanthonystream
@windanthonystream Жыл бұрын
@@AirspaceVideos they also have larger life rafts and also additional ELTs
@GordoGambler
@GordoGambler Жыл бұрын
@@windanthonystream LOL.
@waltonwarrior7428
@waltonwarrior7428 Жыл бұрын
Most interesting. Learned something new today. Thanks. However, the 747 is the most beautiful commercial jet in the world.
@dennis12dec
@dennis12dec Жыл бұрын
Many airlines around the world have been switching to twin engine aircraft as it more economical and today's models can now fly at longer ranges for example from Singapore to New York non stop in 19 hours.
@danpinho
@danpinho 4 ай бұрын
First 11 minutes: aviation history. Last 1m30s: what the video title is about.
@h.mandelene3279
@h.mandelene3279 Жыл бұрын
She may not have passengers, but she will be around for many more years bearing cargo company livery. I hope she is still taking to the skies 50 years from now.
@jrzerelocatedpatriots3862
@jrzerelocatedpatriots3862 Жыл бұрын
I always loved the 747. If I could buy a plane, it would be a 747.
@joefish6091
@joefish6091 Жыл бұрын
They are great fun in the flight sim MS FSX, the recent pretty MSFS20 bloatware has godaweful pretend flight physics, pretty but not very functional cockpit.
@megret1808
@megret1808 Жыл бұрын
It’s only been in the past few years that transpacific flights started flying directly across instead of following the coastline around
@hendrsb33
@hendrsb33 Жыл бұрын
TBH, I've never paid much mind to how many engines any plane I flew in had. As long as they keep the plane safely in the sky, I'm cool!
@lpattabhiraman1041
@lpattabhiraman1041 Жыл бұрын
True
@gregfaris6959
@gregfaris6959 Жыл бұрын
All of the above notwithstanding, there have never been more 4-engine aircraft in the sky. Lufthansa is flying 747s extensively, and ordering -800 versions until Boeing closes the door - British Airways have brought back all the A-380s they thought they had seen the last of pre-Covid, and would order more if they could, and the same goes for Emirates! This will start to ease off when Boeing finally gets their 777-X of the ground (in about another hundred years, with current labor shortages) and Airbus brings on larger capacities in the 350 ecosystem. For right now, it may be sunset, but a glorious sunset it is for the Queen of the skies pundits had prematurely writting the obituaries to a few years ago.
@AirspaceVideos
@AirspaceVideos Жыл бұрын
Yup, it's being used a lot right now, but I guess that's only to serve the huge surge in demand right now. Once deliveries of newer planes will take place, I doubt that we'll be seeing a lot of quad jets.
@stevegarnham4632
@stevegarnham4632 Жыл бұрын
Yes and it's still nice to see Lufthansa and Swissair flying the A340 quads.
@stevenrostron6671
@stevenrostron6671 Жыл бұрын
I watched the last Air NZ 747 depart Auckland for the last time. Sad day as they were still the most comfortable plane they, and many others, operated. All my early international travel was also on Qantas and BA 747’s. The last time I flew one was Thai Airways from BKK to SIN, like getting on an old comfortable sofa. I think they still operated 747’s so will try to fly them once again if I can.
@gordonsmith4884
@gordonsmith4884 Жыл бұрын
Thai used to be great to fly with, sadly those days are long gone. Poor customer support, rude/untrained cabin crew, aging planes with poor maintanence. I was a fequent flyer with Thai and new many cabin crew and a few flight crew.
@moshecohen-mn9cj
@moshecohen-mn9cj Жыл бұрын
Loved the etops joke . Happy landings mate
@halamish1
@halamish1 Жыл бұрын
Very good presentation
@simonsabir7090
@simonsabir7090 Жыл бұрын
No matter how reliable the two engines are, flying over atlantic would feel safer for me in four engine aircrafts. May be the two engines are reliable but accidents happen, and when it does, I would not like to be in that aircraft, having some extra safety counts.
@MatchingUser
@MatchingUser 2 жыл бұрын
I really like these explainer style videos, keep them up!
@AirspaceVideos
@AirspaceVideos Жыл бұрын
thanks, I will!
@davidgraham2673
@davidgraham2673 Жыл бұрын
Interesting video. Very good job explaining the history, and reasoning behind the flight decisions. Kudos
@tonylam9548
@tonylam9548 Жыл бұрын
To make it clear, the 747 707 DC10 etc were not designed with 3, 4 engines for Etops reason. They have the number of engines because they need the power from all the engines to take off and climb.Part of the Etops standard , the FAA wanted minimum climb rate, the engines became much larger than what they would have used before Etops to meet that requirement. When a twin lose an engine, they do not lose 50% power as commonly assumed, the effect is more like 60% +, for not only one engine is not working, it is dead weight and drag. In the former era, if there were any trouble with an engine, especially after it been in the air a while , burning off fuel, the captains would not hesitate to just shut down the engine as a precaution and sometimes not even telling anyone, why spook them for nothing, they do not need the power. They can afford the 30% loss. But to pass Etops, they cannot do that, for that is a shut down and have to be logged as such and the FAA were watching. So captains were told , unless the damned thing is on fire, do NOT shut it down, just reduce power, and it will not go on the engine log as a shut down.
@blakhorizon915
@blakhorizon915 2 жыл бұрын
I liked this explanatory video
@sailaab
@sailaab Жыл бұрын
06:10 I like how the Murican synonym for 'bribing' is 'lobbying ' and by using alternate terms like 'softened' (instead of "bribed") makes it look a bit decent.
@wdcjunk
@wdcjunk Жыл бұрын
The alternative definition of ETOPS is great.
@loddude5706
@loddude5706 2 жыл бұрын
One has to wonder as to the ETOPS on Alcock & Brown's Vimy . . . "You see the far end of the runway? - about there." : )
@ralphzoombeenie2330
@ralphzoombeenie2330 Жыл бұрын
A good explanation. I've flown trans Pacific for many years both in B767 and B747 and from a pilots point of view I second the more engine the better, they aid the depth of sleep during the rest periods and the bunks are way better. Never had an engine problem on any of the flights so have to agree economics win.
@TheViettan28
@TheViettan28 Жыл бұрын
Isn't the B747 can not stand a 2-engine failure? Or at least some systems may fail?
@ralphzoombeenie2330
@ralphzoombeenie2330 Жыл бұрын
@@TheViettan28 A B747 can fly on only two engines at a lower altitude and reduced speed. Systems have multiple levels of redundancy. eg 4 hydraulic systems and electrical supply systems plus battery backup.
@TheViettan28
@TheViettan28 Жыл бұрын
@@ralphzoombeenie2330 I expect more in depth discussion. This is way too shallow. I have watched some videos of how some subsystem depends on each of the engines .
@ralphzoombeenie2330
@ralphzoombeenie2330 Жыл бұрын
@@TheViettan28 Many are dependent on other systems and one reason for a QRH Wish I had more time. My B747 course was 4 weeks ground school and 10x 4hr sim sessions despite having years of B767 experience with many similar systems
@fredbloggs4829
@fredbloggs4829 Жыл бұрын
A very intersting video and well told.
@victorfinberg8595
@victorfinberg8595 Жыл бұрын
you can bet that every pilot will tell you that ETOPS is indeed "engines turn or passengers swim"
@pibbles-a-plenty1105
@pibbles-a-plenty1105 Жыл бұрын
On the other hand the 747 and A380 carry more passengers. So what is the calculus? Maintenance time v/s revenue time?
@Mpg-gh5fq
@Mpg-gh5fq Жыл бұрын
The argument is that engine design and maintenance have improved to the point that we seldom have engine failures, so we can safely get by without the redundancy of a third or even fourth engine. I see that argument making sense for failures that are caused by design flaws or bad maintenance practices, but what about failures due to external damage causes (say, a bird strike) or other plane components besides the engines themselves? I think it still makes sense to have more engine redundancy for those issues. I'm willing to fly a long flight on a plane with only two engines, but I feel better if more than two are available. I'm also curious to see the math on exactly how much cost savings we get by having only two engines instead of three or four. For example, for a flight from New York to Rome, if we use a plane with four engines instead of two, does that make everyone's ticket price go up $10, $100, or $1000?
@stevemeier2852
@stevemeier2852 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Is it just me or are there a lot of clicking noises in the background? 🎧
@AirspaceVideos
@AirspaceVideos 2 жыл бұрын
you are correct. I'm working on that, it's really annoying
@Relkond
@Relkond Жыл бұрын
I do like the idea of limiting long-haul flights only to aircraft that have proven fault-free performance.
@KrasherJack
@KrasherJack Жыл бұрын
Been flying for a long time, no such thing as fault free flying, anything that can go wrong, will go wrong...just sayin
@Relkond
@Relkond Жыл бұрын
@@KrasherJack ‘Failure is not an option. Failure is mandatory.’ In the fullness of time, everything fails. Still, I’d rather cross the ocean in a plane that hasn’t had engine failures in the last 1000 flight hours, than I would in a plane that has had multiple failures in the last week - ‘fixed’ or not. This limit on long haul flights also puts extra value on well maintained aircraft - which encourages better maintenance - which is why I like the limit. Not for it’s direct effect, but it’s indirect effect.
@shawnjosey8203
@shawnjosey8203 7 ай бұрын
I flew non stop direct from Atlanta to Honolulu in a Delta 747 flight n 2014. That was an awesome trip. First and last time I’ll ever fly in a 747😢
@Al-ih1en
@Al-ih1en Жыл бұрын
Very interesting!
@jhconjr
@jhconjr Жыл бұрын
A number of air carriers are bringing back B747 and A380 operations. It is true that new production four engine aircraft has concluded, but they will continue to fly until they are no longer economically viable. With increase market demand and hub and spoke routes, four engine aircraft can have higher net route efficiency than two engine aircraft flying point to point routes.
@PavlosPapageorgiou
@PavlosPapageorgiou Жыл бұрын
Were 3- and 4-engines that reliable? A modern twin is supposed to complete a takeoff run and climb on one engine, while there are several incidents of 747s crashing or barely making it after an engine failure on takeoff. And there was the infamous UA232, a DC-10 whose tail-mounted engine exploded and took out the hydraulics (difficult to engineer against if the engine intersects the vertical stabilizer).
@umi3017
@umi3017 Жыл бұрын
You have 2 more engines that means you have doubled the chance of having an engine failure.
@PavlosPapageorgiou
@PavlosPapageorgiou Жыл бұрын
@@umi3017 Of course, you have a higher chance of losing 1/4 or 1/3 of your thrust but less chance of losing 1/2 your thrust. The thing is, a fully loaded 747 was barely able to take off with three engines, as incidents showed.
@danharold3087
@danharold3087 Жыл бұрын
@@PavlosPapageorgiou If the 747 or a twin engine loose two engines on takeoff both are toast. If I don't continue on to say that at some point the 747 can go around and land. The twin will always crash. One can argue that even with the possibly narrower margin the 747 is safer than the twin on takeoff. I will not argue it. Too many what ifs and when issues.
@HomewithyourMom
@HomewithyourMom Жыл бұрын
What Federal Air Regulation states that I cannot work on both engines? You made that one up!
@AirspaceVideos
@AirspaceVideos Жыл бұрын
rule 14 CFR 121.374 (c) reads: “(c) Limitations on dual maintenance. (1) Except as specified in paragraph (c)(2), the certificate holder may not perform scheduled or unscheduled maintenance during the same maintenance visit on more than one ETOPS Significant System listed in the ETOPS maintenance document, if the improper maintenance could result in the failure of an ETOPS Significant System. I'll see myself out 🙃
@hirampriggott1689
@hirampriggott1689 Жыл бұрын
I've flown business class at the upstairs level on a British Airways B747 years ago. Very comfy. Nowadays, I ride long flights on a A350 or Boeing 777, and usually economy class. Never been on and Airbus A380.
@noemontalvo2305
@noemontalvo2305 Жыл бұрын
No, I don't feel safe with a two engines air plane. But obviously I don't have a choice anymore do I. Thank You for the video 📹.
@erickricharson5196
@erickricharson5196 Жыл бұрын
Honestly I still would prefer the 747. I don't think the new airplanes compare in terms of comfort, room. And the double decker was truly awesome. As a aviation enthusiast I would still prefer the 747. Tried and true, I don't trust modern technology
@SantaCruzGal65
@SantaCruzGal65 Жыл бұрын
Plus easy to move around in
@suhrrog
@suhrrog Жыл бұрын
It makes sense and I feel very safe flying over the Artic or the Oceans.
@edheather4056
@edheather4056 Жыл бұрын
I've been told a 747 is a two finger aircraft. You can fly it comfortably with only two fingers on the yoke. The same goes for the very much for the Cessna 172. Properly trimmed it is easier than driving a car.
@samcan9953
@samcan9953 Жыл бұрын
Your explanation, although very good, is incomplete. There's also been a shift from the hub and spoke model to the direct point to point model. That explains, in part, the success of smaller planes (than A340, A380 and B747) with a very long range, such as the B787 (and the upcoming A321XLR). That being said, the current shortage of pilots and other personnel is pushing some companies to bring their mothballed A380 back into service. I suppose and hope it also applies to the B747, indeed the most beautiful airliner of all time. Keep up the good work!
@AirspaceVideos
@AirspaceVideos Жыл бұрын
Yup, that's true 👍🏻
@CharlMarais247
@CharlMarais247 Жыл бұрын
The red box on the thumbnail first made me think I already watched this video. Didn't recognise the title
@ottavva
@ottavva Жыл бұрын
it is now even more nostalgic and sad as I drove (back n 2001) past the B-747 PROTOTYPE which stands permanently on the BOEING works alongside the road up north to Canada
@Queldonus
@Queldonus Жыл бұрын
For a long time I’ve said I will never buy version one of anything. A completely new piece of tech always has some key refinements that don’t happen until after it goes into widespread use. Now that I know that reliability certification needs a lot of proven flight time, I’m also going to never FLY version one of anything.
@frankerickson8346
@frankerickson8346 Жыл бұрын
The other day, I saw another writer said it was going to make a come back. As they say every story has two more sides.
@1Maverick747
@1Maverick747 Жыл бұрын
I feel safer flying over the ocean in a 777 than in an A380
@seniorchief79tlc
@seniorchief79tlc Жыл бұрын
The Titanic was a super safe way to cross the ocean too. An engine is an engine and people will be people in the end. I’ll take four of them please and keep the odds in my favor.
@classicamusementparks
@classicamusementparks Жыл бұрын
Ah, finally the real explanation why planes don't fly over the south pole. While I really appreciate that, I still think it's more fun to say "Earth is flat"
@AviationAirspace747
@AviationAirspace747 7 ай бұрын
really enjoyed the vid! nice bud
@CappyMelon._7
@CappyMelon._7 4 ай бұрын
Lufthansa: I'M STANDING!!
@tangatoto362
@tangatoto362 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating indeed. It’s a bit of an irony that when the 747 was officially lunched and presented to the press & public for the first time, the displayed plane didn’t actually have engines in the pods, simply because of enormous development problems. As a consequence, during the first couple of years of operation, engine failures were almost commonplace and in some cases more than one at a time. So some 747s in the early years would have been way to far from alternate airports and operating on as little as 2 dodgy engines . As an aside, I have flown on a BA 747 from London to Mumbai which had 5 engines ! That’s how they used to ferry spares around when needed for a crippled aircraft somewhere. It’s was strung up inboard from the inner engine and I assume just freewheeled. The only noticeable effect was a vibration, oh and no doubt a whopping big jump in fuel use. I assume spare engines are just put on cargo planes in the hold these days. Thanks as always for a great video, up to the usual standard.
@danharold3087
@danharold3087 Жыл бұрын
Engine development often lags the planes that will use them. Some planes were canceled when the engines don't arrive or arrive in time. Boom is now facing a plane with no engines as RR has bailed on the project. So I don't see the irony but maybe it is just a different point of view. I don't think quad passenger flights will last very long. On the other hand 747 freighters will be with us for a while. No crystal ball just my thinking. Very subjective. Making 2 flights instead of 3 requiring less crew and on less bill at the airport help offset operating cost. Obviously there are variables here so not an all size fits all.
@lardyify
@lardyify Жыл бұрын
The fan blades are removed from the engine before it is fifth-podded and a large, dome-shaped fairing is installed in the air intake covering the core engine inlet so there is no windmilling. Allowing the engine to windmill would increase the drag to unacceptable levels because the energy needed to spin the fifth engine would have to come from the four ‘real’ engines.
@karlmiller7188
@karlmiller7188 Жыл бұрын
Yes, I DO feel safe flying from Boston to SouthAfrica
@mufc1417
@mufc1417 Жыл бұрын
Although the title wasn't encouraging like your other videos but still I liked it the most, it was really informative & enjoyable. Thank you✈.
@AirspaceVideos
@AirspaceVideos Жыл бұрын
Thanks :) What title would be more fitting?
@mufc1417
@mufc1417 Жыл бұрын
​@@AirspaceVideos Disclaimer: English is not my native language, so please forgive my sloppy grammar. I am sorry if my comment came off as criticism because that's wasn't what I intended to do, I have been enjoying your videos for more than a year & I really appreciate the quality of your cotenant. As usual I was waiting for your next (breaking down an accident) video, instead you post this video, so I answered myself before watching it : FUEL! & I wasn't wrong but I know you wouldn't make a 12 minuets video to say: FUEL! So I watched it & I wasn't wrong ( for the second time🧐🧐) because I didn't know that the first successful cross the Atlantic flight took place 16 years after the Wright brothers 120 feet flight, I thought people start crossing the Atlantic in the 1930s-50s, I also learned about ETOPS for the first time. At the end I think what I meant by my first comment is that the content of video was far more richer than I thought & it deserves more (clicky baity title) to get the views that's suits your effort.
@AirspaceVideos
@AirspaceVideos Жыл бұрын
Yes I know, I sometimes struggle to find a good title, so I'm genuinely interested: What would you have put there as a title?
@mufc1417
@mufc1417 Жыл бұрын
@@AirspaceVideos 1-We retired the fastest airplane, now the biggest, why we are regressing? 2- 747, the demise of the flying ark. 3-747 & 380 too big to make sense?
@charmerci
@charmerci Жыл бұрын
The L1011 was so nice and quiet - then noisy interiors from Boeing and Airbus replaced it. Ugh. The 707 looks so sleek and aerodynamic compared to later airliners. Beautiful.
@hirampriggott1689
@hirampriggott1689 Жыл бұрын
I miss the L1011. I remember being on a Delta flight from Boston to Atlanta in the 1990s.
@samwhitehead7695
@samwhitehead7695 Жыл бұрын
I still love to fly on a Four Engined Wide body Aircraft, And the redundancy is a great asset, Even if 2 engines of the four are throttled back for long-haul flights
@amitabhmaheshwari
@amitabhmaheshwari Жыл бұрын
I once flew non stop in a 777 from Delhi to Chicago. It was a 14 hour flight on a twin engine aircraft
@michaelbenardo5695
@michaelbenardo5695 Жыл бұрын
I don't like flying at all, but I really hate not being able to recline the reclining seat. All the prop planes and the DC8 had the windows too far apart to allow moving the seats closer together. The 707 is the one that changed that, and flying is now like an airborn Greyhound bus.
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