Right that fact scares me 🫣

@anytime yes, I sure realized that the hard way. Mother wounds and Daddy issues show up in both sexes, and in ways that aren't always predictable, doubling the chances of falling into the trap. I don't have anything to back this up, but I would wonder if we might be more prone to be blind to toxic behaviors similar to our same-sex parent if they show up in a opposite-sex partner, even if we're conscious of the problems with the opposite-sex parent and try to avoid stepping in it; I imagine parenting roles play a big part in the dynamic too. Too much complexity, can't we just go back to what worked?

Therein lies the problem. Exactly that. But once we wake up to this, we should also learn that home does not mean it is safe.

@@don-eb3fj Mother is responsible for mental and emotional health, father comes in play later, learns the child to behave/perform in reality, socializing and sexual scripts, how to be/behave as a man and a woman (yes, father teaches the daughter how to behave as a woman). Take out one of these (or both) + emotional/physical abuse, have uninvolved or over involved parents and voila, a recipe for disaster in adulthood. Parents are the first male and female role models in ones life. What you know from that period, you'll need it in adulthood. It doesn't matter what you want, you'll always find what you need, what is familiar to you - home. Pretty harsh stuff to swallow at the beginning, but as time passes, it sets you free.

@Anytime All very true, until we can become conscious of it, and even then there may be some howling void somewhere in there that sucks us back in. And yes an absent father (emotionally or physically) will leave a hole in socialization, career focus, romantic satisfaction, and probably many other areas. Without a template to follow, one has to assemble himself from "spare parts", hardly the best approach; although it may be better than following the example of a toxic role-model. Some who suffer these deficits are introspective enough to avoid the worst outcomes in some cases, but the odds are against and the costs charged against a full experience of life are high. I got lucky first time around with an amazing woman nothing like mom and stayed with her until her death. Second time around I "found mother" , and she damn near buried me before cancer ended the suffering for us both. I attribute that second relationship to looking for something "familiar" and being blind to the danger even after having had a better example, but if I can learn enough about my experiences I have to believe I can defuse that mechanism so I don't repeat the same mistake , when I'm finally healed enough to consider trying again. Thanks for your insight, it's definitely something to be aware of.

​@@don-eb3fj "found mother" is such a hilariously accurate way of putting it😂 My first love was pure, but wild. Being young it was never going to last. She wanted to explore, she deserved to explore. The second time around I "found mother". Funnily enough with the encouragement of actual mother. After 12 lonely years it exploded in my face as I drew a hard line and demanded reciprocity. She is unwilling and unable. Homeless I now return to mother, only to find, I am treated exactly the same way. Ohhhh the dawning realisation that they are the same is harrowing.

Indeed. Thus, Notice 👉 Attorneys and Lawyers are with the fact, the ultimate Narcissist.

Some people are so poor all they have is money!

@@amandam4148I like your proverb...

@amanda m a little gift waiting on my pillow upon waking, how precious. Thank you so much, I have a new favorite phrase to add to my repertoire. :)

@@don-eb3fj Glad you like it 🙏😊

Interesting they have very little common sense. 🤔

Well said. It’s almost so subtle and slow (we’re actually being trained and conditioned to expect less and less) that it makes you wonder if you’re just being crazy, like they want you to believe.

On point! Copycats like their master

Bang on 100% truth.

Yep!!! You wanna hear what happened to me??! I have autoimmune disease and was in bed one night in severe pain. I had my heating pad on me, and he started whining (but like he was childishly mocking my pain) saying he needed my heating pad because his back was suddenly hurting. This is the first time I denied to give him what he wanted, and I kept my heating pad. Well!! This enraged him, and it shocked me that he was acting that way. But it gets worse. After sulking that he didn't get his way, he suddenly pretends to be asleep! His breathing was fast and I could see his heart pounding in his neck😳 he was still angry and for some suspicious reason, (that I'd soon find out), to be asleep 🤨 So all the sudden he thrusts up and then rolls his entire body over mine, laying completely on top of me! He was a big guy, way taller and far more weight than me, now squashing me, I could barely take a breath under his weight. I tryed screaming, scratching and clawing him, but he didn't budge .. somehow I was able to squeeze out from underneath him, thank God! I got out of bed, sobbing and scared and went to the living room. Within minutes I look up and now all the sudden, this big huge guy who can't walk without thumping the floor has slyly snuck without a sound out of bed and was now standing right in front of me, with a look like he could snuff me out!😮 He said " you need to come back to bed, NOW"! He stated that I knew he couldn't sleep if I weren't in bed next to him... 😳🤨 I refused and told him what he'd done, that he scared me and I wasnt about to go to bed with him. This enraged him, and of course he denied being awake for any of the whackadoo crap he just pulled... Then he went to bed. A few minutes later he came out and told me if I weren't coming to bed, that I needed to CALL him on his cellphone every hour to tell him that I'm not in bed yet!🙄😳 obviously I didn't agree to this demand, and he slept the rest of the night alone, as I stayed up on that couch, thinking how I was living with an EVIL WICKID person who serves a different God than I do! We broke up the next day. But not without another load of complete s*****show drama 😂 I KNOW I dodged a bullet by ending communication with him. Crazy isn't even the word for what he was😢 But get this!! 😂 He broke up with me and told me that I WAS TOXIC! LOL! That he had never been so disrespected by anyone like I did the night before! WOW!!? 😂 He tried coming back two days later to tell me that he didn't feel like we were broken up, so I reminded him that he thought I was toxic and broke up with me! Lol! If he thought I was so toxic why I'm the world would he try coming back, especially since nothing was reconciled? His response was hilarious!! He said "well, I just thought that I would just have to deal with you"! WHAT THE ACTUAL HELL?!! RIGHT?? what did mean by deal with me, right?? He used to say like it was a joke that he was hugging my friends and family to see how big of a hole he had to dig... They all laughed, but now I'm wondering if it was not a joke! 😳😳😳

@@teenacurl4690 In the world we live in today. With folk been sued left right and centre for this or that advise. I can not advise you on anything with this. Which is crap. What I would say in my own experience I would ensure I kept my self safe and really switched on to risks that presented themselves to me. Then acted appropriately to that risk. Keeping myself safe lawfully to where I am. I went grey rock and eventually had to involve police in my situation. Just take care of yourself.

I'm a man who wants commitment but all I've ever had is controlling, deceptive girlfriends who have all cheated while blaming me for it. It's definitely not a gendered issue in this respect.

@Lin Bee Wow, brilliantly said. I can relate. Thank you...

Well said. I absolutely relate to that.

@Lin Bee Well said, insert THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE here.

Pretty fucking good assessment. Its all fodder for comedy if one heals.

Yeah, it might be true but what then? Should we make our narcissistic part overt then?

Indeed, worth another watch so Deep! ❤

Agreed, you know why?! Cause I want to live literally and live well.❤️‍🔥💯

Well said, I agree they're the catalysts for our growth. We instinctively know that until we're aware of and embrace our own sovereignty and connection to higher source energies, what we are drawn to consent to consume and partake in and why, we'll repeat these cycles. It's our M.E.A.T. 🥩 (money, energy, attention, time) being bartered and we need to be aware there's hungry wolves about that'd have no qualms taking the lot so it's up to us to draw lines and know our limits. But us Aussies 🇦🇺 never mind tossing another prawn on the barbie for like minded souls that reciprocate in kind.🔥🦐🔥 To be truly seen, heard and understood we need to know and validate ourselves faithfully in this way from within so we can more capably and synchronistically connect, engage and disengage in healthier ways that heal and grow us rather than toxically attach to externals to our own and other's detriment. I love how you word things to capture a topic's essence, avagooday! xx 🌟💞😊👋

@Bright Star That’s certainly the major element in the individual’s early adaptations and shouldn't be overlooked, I know from my own self-analysis how causal those relationships are. Those victimized in childhood develop the traits and characteristics that become a mechanism of "natural selection" within society, which devolves to cater to maladapted attitudes and needs, and continues to exert influence on the next generation, creating a feedback mechanism that "deselects" for healthier systems of support and increases its influence exponentially with each generation, poisoning the soil of society until true human nature has no habitat to thrive in. Also, do not dismiss the "designed obsolescence " aspects of this landscape, the canvas on which the complexity is painted; meta-historical evidence suggests a a clear devolution from our hunter/gatherer root cultures beginning soon after the last ice age ended with the advent of agriculture and animal domestication, the first walled cities and the adoption of hierarchical organizational structures; these evolved to become customary, then dynastic, ideologies formed to ensure the "continuity of government", and manipulation became an inseparable part of societal institutions across the board. For examples , consider the "Divine Right of Kings" doctrine, the rise of Empires and monotheistic centralized (State-sponsored) religions, trade guild systems, the practice of primogeniture, etc.and the further evolution to centralized economic systems and ideologies like fascism, communism, and yes, consumer capitalism , the third horn of the beast. In modern context consider the work of Edward Bernaisse in adapting Freud's research to create modern marketing, the creation of public/private central banking systems such as the Federal Reserve Bank system and the replacement of commodity money with paper fiat currencies, the influence of "Colonel" Edward Mandel House during the Wilson Administration (look into his private papers for a look behind the curtain), the resultant Great Depression and the response of the FDR administration to essentially socialize EVERYTHING under the Social Security system. The devolution to centralization and further domestication of Man continues through globalization and NGOs like UN and all its appendages, and Corporate guilds like the WEF. Our ability to "progress" has out distanced our ability to adapt; physiologically, psychologically, socially, and spiritually, we have built a world we cannot thrive in, and the problems Richard described are an urgent warning, a flashing red light that has illuminated because we ignored the canary in the coal mine generations ago, thinking THIS TIME we'll get away with it. "Civilization is a parasite that always kills its host" -John Zerzan I welcome thoughts on these matters and hope that something in this post will be helpful to someone . Nihilism does not equal Fatalism- it isn't too late to address this, not quite yet. Thanks for your time and attention. "let a thousand nations bloom"

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@@don-eb3fj Thanks for sharing Don, that's brilliant and a tonne of food for thought right there! I guess the question is how to match adaptation to the rate of progress without turning the power off, pulling the plug 🔌 or pressing the button 🚨💥🌏 and starting over from grassroots? How to put a more adaptive theory of evolution into practice in meaningful ways so it heals more than harms over the long term? I'd say it starts with educating parents and the education system to take more of an active role in calling out any higher up bs nonsense and making pathways for change that support children to not only meet milestones but proactively expand their horizons through active listening, observation, creative solutions and facilitation of values, ability, opportunities and experiences best suited to the individual and/or group concerned. Trouble is most ppl are unaware of their level of 🙈🙉🙊 and all too comfy, familiar and complacent with the status quo as it is till they wakeup to reality via some personal experience that devastates them and opens their eyes to the truth of things. Jesus was a nationalist ... Religious nationalism, or the fusion of religious and national identities and goals, is an increasingly salient aspect of nationalism. Rather than secular nationalism simply replacing religious identities and allegiances, religious and national identities might spiritably coexist and even beneficially reinforce each other inclusive of cultural differences once you lose any useless aspects of dogma and ideology that have become obsolete or dysfunctional. People perish for a lack of knowledge, faith, and from an over reliance on externals. May humans become more like the good and wholesome bacteria in probiotics than the toxic, parasitic kind. I get myself in trouble at times discussing religion, politics, science and the like but at least I had a go! 😅💖✌️

Maybe Rumi has the answers we seek? "I am a painter, a maker of the seen and the hidden. Every day I shape sublime forms. And then, when God comes to view them . . . they and I melt away in Him. Every phantom knows it lives in my kingdom, and if I wanted, I could make anything vanish so easily from any distance, like wax in a flame. I am both mingled with all and also magnificently sovereign. This dual state of being and not being are tides... I let ebb and flow. There is something to be said for anyone who sits alone with dignity and silently begs for God. I am the partner of every affection and act. I am the only one who is truly guilty, and I am the most innocent at the same time. In once finding myself so desolate and empty without the Beloved, He finally took pity on me and filled me with Itself. His brush and all His paints were then, of course, mine. 🎨🖌 I now use them to draw a map to the self, so I am, we are, never lost." ~ Rumi I am the sky. As within so without, as above so below, as the soul so the world, as the spirit so the universe, the detached watcher, the silent seer and wayshower of the timeless now. Take an axe to the prison wall, crack heart-minds open. Escape. 🔗⛏️⛓️🎨🌏🖌️💞🕊️✌️✨Infinite love and gratitude. 💐💖✨

Same happened here. This girl went from move in! To complete ghostinngin a day

Same here. From future faking to discard in a couple of days. He switched off. His words.

On the contrary my experience is different (not that I'm negating your experience in any way shape & form 😊). I grew up in a very Catholic household & culture where sexual suppression was rife. I always felt since was early teens that there was something darker in me (I know realise that was just normal healthy sexual expression trying to come to the forefront). I think the narc provided that through the despicable acts he then went on to put me through, it was depraved & inhuman. I think that translated into sexual idealisation - the more sadistic, submissive & brutal the better. I now feel like the narc for 'getting off' to this shit. Btw I've never had any contact with him physically as he was my cyberstalker. To top it off I have a fiancé who I love very much & feel extremely guilty for having these feelings as although we now have very regular sex it just doesn't seem to go 'far enough' & I feel as if, if I ask him to do certain things he's either gonna think I'm a complete freak or I'm gonna feel like I'm just asking him to perpetuate the fantasy even further. Guess I'm still stuck in trauma bonding mode. I had a vaguely (like turn the dials down) with a rather narcissistic (high traits but not full blown) man in my mid 20s & that was pretty sick & perverted - I feel like I'm just digging my grave even deeper. I guess with regards sexuality for the most part, any expression of such (the acts etc even though people may view them as perverted) are all healthy it's rather what psychology underpins them that deems whether they're healthy or not. In a sense a guess the sadism has become familiar & far removed from what I grew up with in terms of my religion.

Good for you, 👏👏👏👏 for doing the right thing and putting an end to it. Figuring out your self and staying true to your own morals and ethics is INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT to ones own mental health, and ability to walk through life with any kind of dignity or respect for ones self. Good for you for staying strong and protecting your own “energy” 💪❤️

I think it is very naturally attractive when someone seems like they can be intimately connected with us 100% (yet they can only do so because they know at any point they can pull away and start that feeling with another). Until THIS video I didn't see it, but that's exactly what played out btwn me and my last 2 year dalliance. He had a history of being hurt by women, but then let me believe we had the most special connection, leading me to believe that he told his mom that I was the one, talking about even taking out an insurance policy for my son to benefit from if he died, where we would retire together, that he felt "safe" with me, and could really surrender when making love, but put a stop to falling any more deeper for me, saying why can't we keep it just like it is, no more expansion, etc. That's when i realized it was a limited, controlled investment for him. He could surrender only in certain ways, up to a certain point. And wanted to keep it neat and tidy. No meeting his family that was out of state. No vacations together. No leaving things at each other's places. He was deathly afraid of really committing to each other. He told me his father got remarried very happily after the divorce but then she that 2nd wife died he became unable to care for himself and is dipping into a life with dementia. Not only is he so afraid of losing someone he may put all his love into he is also afraid of losing HIMSELF if he loves that deeply. It's so tragic to live as if he's already lost what he wldnt let himself totally have. It caused me years of psychological dissonance and heartache bc I really felt the love, his surrender, periodically interrupted yet consistent, then his pulling away again until I insisted we have "the talk" which revealed how he only wanted the status quo and no more. It still boggles my mind. I thought I must have an anxious attachment style just like mentioned in this video. I thought i must be crazy and that i imagined the deep connection. I thought if anyone had found what we had found they would never leave. And yet in the end I left, bc he wouldn't LET there be a natural progression to the rltnshp. He said after he caught feelings he started distancing. He didn't like the fact that when he was with me that he couldn't keep his hands off me. Funny, that was one of the things I enjoyed: being desired that much. It should have been a lifetime love except for the fact that he was so damaged by the previous hurts in his life and what happened to his father that he just cldnt go there again. So sad. But don't fault yourself for falling for what seemed to be the answer to whatever was lacking in your marriage. Temptation is a real thing. Like you I had to learn an affair isn't the answer, but a sign that something important is missing in the marriage or in ourselves. Be proud of yourself for catching your behavior, but realize you're human, and you fell for a person who was likely looking for a person who was in need of some particular type of attention. No more no less. I've learned there are such people out there who are just wanting that "boyfriend experience" without the commitment, and they'll do it over and over again, either believing it's ok or acting like it is. I shd have listened better when he told me the women he'd been with always wanted more from him. Now i know why - bc he says he only wants a casual rltnshp, but then acts like a boyfriend and THAT'S how we get pulled in. It's AS IF he's falling in love, and he is, but he won't allow himself to truly be that vulnerable and stay with that feeling. Just today, with this video, I finally see it. He's psychologically crippled and I feel sorry for him. And now i think i can be free and move on. All the best to you.

Kudos, for putting values and principles above infatuation!

@@SowingSeedsWithChristy he lied and made it complicated to blind u and make it sound viable. It's I fatiation fueled by a trauma bin on your end. He capitalized on your thirst from an unhealed wound, & narcissistic men look to take from you foe their own needs and wounds.

I liked reading your comment. You got a nice fluent writing

This is me. Abused for 7 years...looking back...what youve comented is spot fing on!

He used to say abour our 4 times a day sexual activity..."but, its how we love each other". I didnt learn about npd until 5 years into this "relationship".

I love the idea ❤️

Why not find a subject that YOU are interested in, and you'll automatically meet other people interested in the same things? Not drinking.

CoDa meetings come to mind

@@recoveringsoul755 Because the people in those groups are (in my experience) majority the unconscious type not actively seeking better communication, connection and so on, and falling prey to the influences Grannon is talking about (in this and other videos). I'm talking about something for those who've come to the point of seeking authentic connections, willing to do the work, to easier find each other without having to sift through the 90% that aren't there yet.

As sweet and perfect sounding as this is, and I've thought the exact thing, it would definitely be infiltrated by at least a few Narcissists... Think about it, a public's posted convention of vulnerable people who've already been victimized by a narc, looking for an authentic connection would be paradise to a narc... Their dream come true so to speak. I'm sure Narcissists, as devilish and sneaky as they are to retrieve as much information on their prey as humanly possible, stalk podcasts like this. They want to continually learn how to be more capable of not being exposed by listening how others feel about people like them, so they can avoid being detected and get their narcissistic supply. I truly wish there were a place like this, but I believe the answer is to do the work in ourselves so we have DISCERNMENT as to who is and isn't a narcissist, for future dating so we can avoid this whackadoo gas lighting abuse. It truly does suck🌸

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@Kristi Dean "deeply dissappointed" seems like a very optimistic way to describe the situation, but yeah, I think mostly everyone is, most just haven't slowed down enough to realize it; and that confusion is at least half the problem, there simply aren't any stable guidelines, everything's a big "?". Add the "sound byte", "vending machine" mentality and the "take it on the run" pace of everything and everyone, we don't have time to know ourselves, much less pay attention long enough to get to know another. Dissappointed and confused right along with you.:/

@Damian You're not alone in your pain or your beliefs about money ,housing, and abuse being at the center of this.(see my other comments here) Search for your answers inside yourself, they are to be found nowhere else, but there are people like Richard who can teach you how, as he has helped teach me, but it takes time and it is difficult. You're worth the effort, regardless of what else you've been told. I hope that helps.

I used to be a liberal feminist and fell into this trap. I was so brainwashed. I actually cringe at the things I used to say. I still believe in women's liberation, but my view on this culture of non committed sex has changed. It's harmful to all parties involved

@Chris Yes, guilty as charged, although I generally only offer information or personal experience, not advice. I've faced that disconnect too, still do. I think the way to resolve it is by accepting that it is serving some protective function, and allowing ourselves to see what is hiding behind it, what fear or discomfort it is shielding us from experiencing. It can be hard to sit still and let the awareness come, sometimes it takes some outside event to bring us face to face with it, and then we have to follow where it leads. I had an experience like that about 8 months ago that brought me face-to-face with my entire life story, and it rocked my world (or set me off my rocker). I'm still following where it leads, trying to decipher what it all means, but it has led to some answers, some new questions, and a few baby steps forward. Our prisons weren't built overnight, and they won't be torn down overnight either. Patience. Self-compassion. Easier said than done, but I hope that helps some.

Lmao.

I think you should have sex whenever you want. There are easy ways to spot a Narcicisst, but in that lovebombing phase the give their best. If you grow strong enough you don't fall for Narcicissts anymore but can have fun with them.

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Thank you for sharing this story. I´ve chased men since I was 24-32 and only now can I see the brainwashing behind it. It's scary to see this. Basically, the culture we live in strips us of our self-esteem so that we then chase validation, cause if you don't have sex/partner/romantic love then you obviously are some kind of a "loser" right? And "hitting-the-wall" ideology they use to scare us… worked well. I was 24, super-slim etc. and yet I started to feel as if I already hit that wall that at the time being I believed would have happened at 30. Now I´m past 32 and I´m still slim and pretty to realise that someone robbed me of my self-esteem many years ahead… so that some men could have more power over me. The craziest part in this is that I've been chasing sex that I actually never really liked… Somehow, it was given that if I met the right guy I would start liking it so the chase was supposedly worth the effort… All that brainwashing made me desperate and addicted to chasing the unavailable. I kept fighting for stuff that I was only told that I was supposed to want and enjoy. I was convinced it had been my idea but the truth was that I did't think for myself. Now, I want all my power back, and this means total abstinence from sex, love, partner and related fantasies. I´m sick and tired of wanting men. It made me feel so insane that at some point I saw how everything's got a price, and the price for wanting these things is higher than the one for giving them up and having peace of mind instead. I guess men are going to be fucked if more women go their own way and stop participating in this sick game of theirs.

I’d say capitalism needs single, childless, educated women. They’re the consumers that are spending their money on things other than groceries, nappies and prams. New mothers aren’t buying £60k sports cars, Louis Vuitton, Crystal champagne and week long trips to Cabo on business class.

​@@MrDanielvassCapitalism DOES want single mothers. They're desperate, lonely and easily manipulated. Plus, we buy ALL sorts of stuff for our kids to make us feel like we're successful moms-the only source of self esteem for a bit of us.

I relate a lot to your comment. Though I don’t know how to find a woman. Sending vibes of being “a cute girl” for men I guess :( I need to build life after years of abuse.

@Gabriella Start a club of like-minded ladies and build a social circle around it. You might have to get pretty creative to vet the intentions of the men (maybe the women, too) and keep Chad out of the mix, but I can assure you there are plenty of us out here who would love to meet someone we can take the armor off with, just be ready to accept the bruises and scars as part of the challenge, and connect with the nurture instincts. It's been Hell for everyone since the 60s, but hypergamy and narcissism and financial burdens of failed marriages have affected men in ways that many don't consider, and have led to protection strategies that have been counterproductive for everyone, including giving up on relationships altogether, in some cases in part (hmmm, hmmm) because they feel too damaged by the last one to be fit for another- the 80/20 split, "self-validation" practices and the "meat market" atmosphere of dating sites reinforces that self-assessment. Reality needs to be reasserted, false assumptions and stereotypes abandoned, and false promises of failed ideologies rejected all around. All have been hurt by them but men have not been allowed to show it or raise a complaint against it without being accused of misogyny, predation, "a creep" , and an extensive list of other slurs, and if that isn't stopped by the women, the situation will get worse. You stated your position rather well, and it's encouraging; if more women share that opinion around and make it known why, it could begin to change things for the better. Thank you for your comment, and I truly hope you find that good guy you're looking for, just be gentle with him:)

Go sigma male. We know but don't use it in a bad way.

@@don-eb3fj I appreciate your comment, it is well received.

The "sexual attraction" is still there even though you desoise him, because it's animalistic attraction you are feeling I'm guessing... it's a non attachment sort of attraction. But When sexual attraction comes more from the heart, of how sweet and attractive a guy is when he treats his mom with love and respect, or how he gently treats animals or children... You start to see the difference, a guy you want a one night stand with, or one you'd bring home to mom. I know a few guys like this in my life too. Felt the same way, was sickened that they were still sexually attractive to me... But after I did a bunch of thinking, those guys are merely a distraction to finding true love. ❤

@Teena Curl Beautifully said & true indeed. You hit the nail on the head. Blessings 🙏🙏

That IS annoying!

@@teenacurl4690 Sexual attraction doesn't come from how sweet or nice a man is. It just doesn't happen. You can form other kinds of attraction from this, but it isn't sexual in nature.

​@@lamentate07 It does, for women. I don't feel sexual attraction just by looking at someone. Im what one who would call 'demisexual' and my sexual attraction builds up when he displays certain qualities including kindness