these look amazing, but i am curious what is on the double face cards that is different? you said the regular cards say proxy back so its not counterfeit but the double face cards look correct printing (in your video at least) on both sides so what stops them being classed as counterfeit?

@@rabbittodd the foil thing at the bottom

@zach7594 seems dangerous as they also sell the foil stickers too - i know they aren't the same as the proper ones but would probably pass a quick glance

placed an order used your code hope they do more with you and freed up a lot of cards i used in more than one deck

Been saying this in your chat for awhile now. If you want to collect for value... Then by all means, collect for value. But if you just want to *PLAY* the game... Buy proxies. Why would I spend $100's of dollars on a premium commander deck when I can get the same thing for

I heard that they bring in a jury of your peers, so I always seed generously

yo send me the link

​@@frigginresulrumNot all heroes wear capes, but all heroes reseed at least the full value of their torrent 😊

Actually I would

Actively 3D printing car parts that have no weight bearing

💯

MTGoldfish has an IMMACULATE proxy generator, where it will generate a PDF from a list of card names if you don't want to have to wait for proxy prints

Amen

I recently got into modern and I was surprised that most playsets of the same cards had different shades.

Touche

I'm picking up what you are putting down. I'm getting ready to put in a 600 card order now. But I'm making custom proxies (An adventure time deck for my friend, for example.)

My whole play group does this now.

Price creep? It doubled over night. I do agree however.

Or maybe they did, and it's intentional? Wizards is pro proxies for casual, always has been.

Why not make the better choice for the people and print for casual, unique fun among friends rather than "gimme money" and bland repetitive competitiveness. I myself am happy with it; MAYBE it wasn't the best business decision, but ultimately games have proved time and time again that the F2P model just makes it more ubiquitous and thus brings in the whales which really make the money for them, so who knows?

Custom art solves MTG's biggest problem, so it's definitely nice seeing it become increasingly common as people get used to proxies and realise that once they're not limited by official printing, they're not limited by official art either.

That's an excellent point that I totally missed, I should write something on the back of those too somewhere. Thanks for bringing this up

the collectors information section of the card should have been amended with similar information as the modified back. this makes the card clearly identifiable as playtest card without getting it out of the sleeve. also please note proxy card is a term used to indicate card stand-in issued by a judge at sanctioned event. those are playtest cards. i guess it's still fine to use the term "proxy" on the printed cards themselves since judges do not issue printed cards. :)

That's why artists also usually add proxy to the watermark in the bottom corner in addition. Mtg proxy uses actual cards from scryfall iirc so with those, you just have to rely on the quality differences.

The proxies I buy say PROXY on the back instead of the word magic.

Yup! The holo stamp is not real. We only print it. Very easy to spot indeed

These proxies aren't even the quality you can get. Purchase from proxy universe, and you will get cards that are better than wotcs

@@Vescense proxy universe is 4 bucks per card, with no custom artwork. I'll stick with buying full art custom art proxies for 50 cents a card.

@Dubstepticon47 that's fine, I'm thinking our intentions are different. I buy proxies to play in high level tournaments where the decks can range from 5000-10000$ when I buy proxies I want something that passes for real.

@Vescense you realize that's illegal? Tournaments are the only setting where you can not use proxies. When you get caught, they will sue you. It has happened many times.

@Dubstepticon47 they are player run - not to worry:) cedh isn't recognized but wizards as a format. And many tourneys are 100% proxy friendly anyway, as a way to lower the bar for entry to new players who don't have 5 grand to drop on a competitive deck.

These guys apparently are going for extreme realism, and I don't see any proxy indicators. All the proxies that I have state very clearly PROXY - NOT FOR SALE in the copyright field on both sides. (And my custom cards say CUSTOM on them in the same way.) I think it's also important to point out that when I have proxies made to order, I don't bother with fake backs. I always have lands (basic and nonbasic) printed on the backs. This keeps outdated/outmoded/niche cards useful.

Try piloting an Airbus, it shouts that at you everytime you land ...to remind you what you should be doing with the thrust levers.

It's never meant anything but. Anyone who uses it as an insult to disabled people is, themselves, quite slow.

Proxying EVERYTHING is not necessarily smart. A $2 card that's real can get you $2 back (multiplied however many times). A $2 proxy is a waste of money. A card that's $200 getting proxied for 25 cents however, I feel is justified. By the time you turn and try to sell it, it may not be worth remotely close to what you paid for. Better to throw away a quarter then lose $30. I just print all of mine on paper with terrible quality to save money.

This argument feels pretty awful though once you've dropped $200 bucks on proxies even if you saved a lot of money. Main reason I switched to printing. It's just a game I want to play regardless of how it looks. (I have a $4 ink subscription so I'm not spending a ton on ink).

@Olympus-Thas now, an ink subscription seems like a budget win.👍

​@@Olympus-ThasI worked for Epson and I can tell you for a fact that it costs less than 7 cents to manufacture a printer ink cartridge.

@@Olympus-ThasI myself do not plan on reselling a game I love. If it gets to a point where nobody is playing anymore, then the value on my investment tanked anyways. This game should equal our retirement, it should be what we play when we retire!

Printingproxies and mpcfill. It's pretty simple. Printingproxies has an option to print an entire expansion at a time if you like.

Just printed. They make foil versions, I would assume the symbol is foiled on those but I have not seen one in person.

The artist of the card has already been paid. You aren't stealing any money they would make because they have already made it.

I print my own proxies and my dumb ass still buys cards 😂

I found that printing onto vinyl sticker paper produces a much sharper image with my home inkjet printer than standard paper or cardstock. Costs me about 40c per sheet for the paper. I think it's worth it.

I actually printed out custom proxies for a cube I'm making, all 30 of the lands in the cube are retro style proxies with landscape photography of a different usa state. Did a washinton DC command Tower just for the hell of it lol

As far as I know wotc only pursues companies that are making counterfeits(indistinguishable from real magic cards with both front and back appearing as the genuine article) They have a company policy stating they are ok with proxys that are not passed off as real

@@MikeHatcher Gotcha. I'm still somewhat surprised that they allow their published card art to be used by others for profit though. I guess they just don't want to deal with the hassle and cost of chasing each and every one down.

There’s also the fact that game-pieces utilized in numerous different manners isn’t exactly a matter of settled law. Take going after a professional proxy-maker who was using different art, but cashing in on the game being a going concern to power demand for their proxies. If WotC wins, they basically get a judicially enforced Cease and Desist. If they were to *lose*, the principle of Full Faith and Credence would protect someone who started the largest proxy operation ever, so long as they kept using the different art. WotC would be facing an enormous barrier just to get the chance to take the new Mega Proxy Maker into court. When it comes to civil matters, a loss in the humblest Circuit Court can prove as devastating as a Supreme Court ruling on a criminal matter. I think WotC/Hasbro would have to be facing proven and substantive profit-loss to roll the dice, even in a game where they’re favored to win.

Also being based in a foreign country who gives zero fucks about what wizards has to say.

@@MikeHatcher I feel WOTC will go after these soon. If these get popular it will affect their bottom line. There is no way that WOTC would let that pass. They are probably ok with bad quality paper printed proxies or bad proxies with unique art, but when cards are better than original and front is indistinguishable from real cards there is no way they will allow these to compete against themselves. I would even say this is probably number one threat to them. If people just shifts to the proxies then WOTC is screwed and they can't milk players like they used to.

right!

Just a glance you can tell from the coloring. If the company isn't trying to make a counterfeit the differences will be much easier to see, like font, postioning etc. These are solid proxies, but that surface wouldn't fool anyone outside a sleeve, which is fine for a proxy. I always highly recommend good quality images and full sheet labels. Print them out on a high quality printer, FedEx stores are like $.27 a copy. Stick to bulk or insert cards and it's like $0.15 total per card when you include the cost of the labels, and they look great.

Any degrees of "real" are just constructs of your mind. Person A hires company B to make a non-legal card. Whether person A is WotC or you and company B is Carti Mundi or some proxy website does not change the equation, the result is a non-legal card. Open your 3rd eye to the truth

Don't use what doesn't make you happy bro. I used to feel the same way as you do now. Not any more, in fact today I had amazing games of mtg specifically using these proxies and I regret not switching earlier but that doesn't mean you need to do the same.

Welcome to the desert of the real.

this!!!