Something like that. They learned the 9's are the top of the line and they don't get that those are older products that aren't as good compared to newer. Also is the sellers being stubborn. They got those products as top line expensive and they haven't managed to sell them all when it was time and now they refuse to accept reality and just keep the price high like that hoping some f00l like the above will buy.

Im rich Give me the best And dont anoying me 😅😂

Well said. Similar stuff happens with cars.

literally how Apple users hive minds work

While i agree with most of what you said, the "don't age" thing isn't necessarily 100% true. For a regular user, yeah i agree. But for a hardcore overclocker that was milking every last MHz etc and pushing the CPU to its limits day in and day out, manufacturers have claimed that the CPU will not last as long, or age faster.

@@computerheadquarters You're right, milking every last drip of performance out of a chip can "degrade" it, but the vast majority of said degradation will come in the form of "at some point you were able to hit xxxx MHz at a given voltage, now you have to settle for -100MHz at said voltage" I've been in that industry for almost 25 years, and I never saw a CPU dying on it's own. All the CPUs I've seen getting fried were busted by either a faulty mobo or PSU.

@@lamikal2515 I've seen a lot of fried CPUs...But they were mostly 6th/7th gen.

@@computerheadquarters on their own? Or due to an external factor?

you forgot the PSU. theres some used seasonic 1000w out there. For me Haswell "aged" very well 4790k still can perform like a boss. with ddr3 being dirt cheap now, its the most go to on creating a sleeper build.

I did the LITERAL same thing. Had a 8700 non-k, saw the 9900k dropped to around $250ish about 2 years ago and figured Id take advantage of it with the good z390 board. Still running it today

Yeah at $250-300 it's a completely different story. Also keep in mind, those old motherboards can still be worth gooooood money :)

For me too... from 8700k to i9900k (Used for 250 euros) and my graphics card from GTX 1080 to RTX 4070 and from 16 to 32GB of ram. This should last until 2025, when I will swap everything. I don't have a game that maxes out my I9900k.

​@@andretaleb666I have a i5 8400 with a amd 5600 xt graphics card, is it worth upgrading to a used i9 9900k?

Yeah I bought one NIB for 250. Way cheaper than upgrading the whole machine.

One of the better replies i've seen :) "Never underestimate laziness." well said!

I bought my 9900k for 300.00 on the used market a couple years ago. It's still a beast on its own.

Thanks Thijmen. Will try to post more but been busy. We are actually working on releasing about 30 videos all in a row soon showcasing our new Lan center.

I've owned probably somewhere around 1000 of them...

@@computerheadquarters Then you know why people are still buying them at these prices... Jon Snow.

@@Bronwyn031 That is correct. It's because some people are not good at making purchasing decisions.

Exactly!!

​@@Bronwyn031some people have way more money than brains

Nice deal

The point isnt why people buy it...it's why do they buy it for $500?

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Yeah, if you are not playing games and don't have a fairly updated graphics card like 4080/4090 then you probably wont notice much difference. If you have a 4080/4090 then you might get something like 10-20% more FPS depending on the game. But overall, yeah you're right, it's not a huge leap by any means, especially if you have a really solid OC on your 9900k.

​@computerheadquarters I get bare fps drops in fortnite now with the i9 I'm about to pair it with a 4070 super! What cpu would u recommend to pair the 4070 super with?

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I'm wondering if the latency is from the stuff intel put into place to stop data leaks or whatever exploit people had found in earlier CPUs?

you can detect nanosecond levels of latency? impressive

Another good example. The 7700k was the best CPU you could put into that generation of socket so can still get a premium...but even in it's hayday it was more like $300 premium, not $500.

Thats some tech yes city deals right there ! :)

From where??? Geez that's a ridiculous deal

Yes the video is 5 months old and the X570's are sold out.

Agree

and it uses probably like half the power

Yes it is weird, but i've been seeing stuff like this for the past 15 years. Old motherboards and CPUs selling at a premium.

me too. especially when gaming in 4k. this cpu is even more power efficient than the newest chips. this is why i keep 9900KS. new cpus suck and they are not worth a penny when considering an upgrade

​@@EasternUNOhow so? I'm considering an upgrade from 9400f to 9900k or 12400f with new motherboard

@@EasternUNO I just swapped me 9900k for a 9900KS (and made a 12€ profit doing so). Now i am swapping my 3200 cl16 kit for a 3800 cl14 kit. Trying to get the last and most performance out of this Z370 board from 2017. The only part still original of my pc is the motherboard and the case :-)

​@@dungmai8838get 12400 instead. way faster than 9900

b-dies? im looking to upgrade my i5 9400f to a i9 9600k. prices seem to be at 280. still chapter than a motherboard and a new cpu.

​@@mikey9836it was worthy bro? i wanna do the same...

I am swapping my 3200 cl16 for a 3800 cl14 Kit! :-)

If i can keep it for 3 more years i have this motherboard for 10 years lol.

@@ISFRedSandman I guess you've seen my video with oc gains on i9-9900KS? :) Performance wise that will last 3 years easily, with a full tune on subtimings/ring etc. that cpu is really damn fast. Your mobo - who knows 😂 I guess it's z370?

Also it's in a alienware r9 I believe with 32gb ram and 2080 super. I was thinking upgrade to i9900k amd then when 50 series drops buy used or discounted 40 series

@@SBoth_ 9900K is runs a fair bit hotter than a 9700, so make sure your cooler is half decent. That upgrade is probably worth doing imo.

Great thanks. I already have aio cooler running so heat should not be a issue.

I was in the same boat. Went from 9700k to 9900k. Big difference in overall performance.

​@@azntactical4884how? no way you got more than 10% extra performance

just pirate Windows

Good to know

except zen 4 has avx 512 as well and are top tier in emulation. sounds like bias to me.. lol

Just get 12th gen chip that doesnt have AVX 512 disabled or wsit for Zen 5 that is said to have full AVX 512 and will be the best for emulation

Garbage? How do you figure? Are you some sort of motherboard expert? Do you sells 100's of computers and 1000's of motherboards per month, so you know what fails vs what is reliable? Please enlighten me.

@@computerheadquarters Selling doesn't mean you know anything really. Other than selling and or getting someone to spend money. You won't be there 2 to 5 years down the road for the person who's machine died early due to budget quality parts. Some people want their machines to last more than a few years. Especially these days and with the systems being so powerful the need to upgrade isn't so often anymore. So yeah just keep pushing those low quality parts to make that next sale. You sound like a lot of people on the PC Forums over the years giving horrible Information catering to the low budget buyers. Surprised you didn't recommend ram, that would have been some cheap generic brand? Same with maybe a $35 PSU and $25 SSD? In computer hardware you really do get what you pay for in general. The reason what there is still so much junk out there is because people keep buying it, not because it's actually good.

@@jankerson1 We sell stuff that is newer gen but also a lot of older stuff too...so we see a lot of gear in general and see trends of problems as well. There is no trend of problems with lower cost motherboards dying more often. In fact, i'd even argue that some of the higher cost motherboards have more issues because they have more features to break.

@@computerheadquarters It really depends on what the machine is going to be used for. If it's an email machine it really doesn't matter that much as long as the parts are good quality. But for the higher end gaming machines things really do start to matter a lot. Voltage regulation and quality VRMS do matter. The base platform of a computer is the Motherboard and the PSU. If those two things are rock solid stable then the chance is better that the machine will handle just about anything thrown at it with little problem. It's not what the person is going to do right now with the PC, it's what their future plans are, upgrade path. (A lot of them LIE about that) Have a low end MB and PSU then start plugging in high end GPU's and CPU's and watch it start to have stability issues. Up to including the PSU frying the GPU, seen that happen a lot. PSU cooking the MB and GPU. With the pricing these days being outlandishly high still I can see why people could be getting the lower end boards. $200 for a $50 to $70 MB (Low Tier) as an example. Right now you just aren't getting anything for your money and won't until the prices come back down to normal again. There is no way I would even think about building anything these days with the pricing the way it is.

Yup! Intel isn't the only one that has purposely made confusing marketing. "2060 Super" ....

@@computerheadquarters Well, let's don't even start with Nvidia. They're even worse than Intel and Intel is rather aids already. That being said though, their GPUs are (unfortunately) the ones to get imo. Can't imagine a life without Shadowplay anymore and Nvidia has a whole lot of other features going for them too where AMD simply can't compete. However, very happy to see that AMD has put Intel in their place already but i can't see that happening with Nvidia anytime soon unfortunately.

It's not always the case, a tuned 10900K can frequently be noticeably faster than a base 12600K in games, and more people have this cpu highly tuned up on average than 12600K users (flagship mindset vs more mainstream). But if not tuned, surely 12600K is better. However, 10900K is now said to be a superior chip latency wise, windows experience is going to feel better. Honestly, intel's first i9s were absolutely dope and ahead of the game. Can't believe that almost all cpus till 2021 whether from 10-11th gens or zen3 were just hovering around a 2018 cpu in gaming performance, and literally nothing could beat it in latency.

@@HeartOfAdel Sorry but arguing with an overclocked 10900k against a stock 12600k is complete and utter nonsense. It's not like you can't overclock an 12600k so your argument is completely pointless and straight up invalid. Same goes for your latency argument. You certainly can't feel ANYTHING in that regard in windows and if you pair the 12600k with an decent DDR4 (Gear1) or DDR5 kit the same goes for gaiming so that's another completely invalid argument. Apart from that, everything between the 6700k (Skylake) and 10900k was far away from being ahead of its time. It was the same process all across just with a bunch of cores and a bit of clockspeeds added. That's as basic as it could get. The only thing that i would consider calling ahead of its time when speaking about gaming performance is the 7800X3D with its 3D V-Cache. Uses one third of the power draw of intels currently best performing gaming cpu (14900k) and even manages to beat it here and there and for the most part straight up matches it. That's what you call "ahead of its time". You could argue that intels P-Core E-Core hybrid architecture was ahead of its time as well but i wouldn't want to do that since that shit brings more trouble than anything else when it comes to gaming. Most people with Intel 12th Gen upwars are still playing with everything enabled not realizing that this CPU in a lot of games will perform heaps better with those stupid E-Cores disabled entirely. So yeah, great inovation. Now i have to benchmark every new game i want to play in order to figure out wether it runs better with e-cores disabled. Idiotic Concept...

@@NoName-st6zc I think I clearly stated that 12600K is faster, but more enthusiats own 10900K, so finding tuning on that one is a bit more habitual. Secondly, latency issues are widely talked about now in newer 12-14th gen cpus. Their new hybrid architecuture is in a way stepback from "pure" ring bus. 10900K has that thing clocking to the moon, stronger memory access and doesn't have ecore scheduling weirdness. There's plenty of reports now of degraded snappiness after upgrading from 9-10th gens to 12+. I'd advise you to do more research/maybe testing. 7800X3D is a very impressive cpu, and 3d cache itself is quite a break-through. But its level of performance is already matched by other cpus of the current era. And if you didn't guess, I was talking about i9-9900K, not 10900K (and even 10900K has the highest amount of p-cores of any Intel cpu with still top level latency, still quite exceptional). It absolutely utterly was ahead of its time (honestly the whole ring bus was) despite the skylake stagnation. I'm not sure if you recall, but almost all amd and even Intel's own cpus from 2020-2021 (before 12th gen) just overall fps matched a cpu that had been released 3 YEARS AGO, and by that day it remains the lowest latency 8p core+ chip. That is the longest king status. I highly doubt that in 2026, flasgship cpus are still gonna be around 7800x3d in games. That is, truly ahead of its time, hence the first i9 title reflecting that.

Nice. Feels good i'd assume?

@@computerheadquarters way better it's like night and day

That is a solid question. There are a variety of factors to consider. #1 how much do you like the tinkering/building side of the hobby? If you love building new PCs then it's an easy answer to go with a new platform just for the fun of the "legos" of it. #2 do you have some money available to you that you are comfortable with spending on the upgrade? If money is tight right now i'd always recommend to save your money and keep gaming on what you got, and in this case, if you have ~$200 to spare for a 9900k but not ~$600 for a full combo like i7-14700k+Z790+32GB DDR5 Kit / 7800x3d+b650+32gb DDR5 kit - do what is right for your budget so that you're still comfortable paying bills and not racking up debt. #3 If you buy a 9900k it'll probably be used around ~$200 and there is always a chance you could use it for 6 months and then it dies and has no warranty. Everyone is different about that kind of thing and their risk tolerance, but it's something to consider. I personally have used many many used/refurb parts over the past 20 years with really good results so I don't hesitate to do it...but that is not financial advice.

@@computerheadquarters @computerheadquarters I've never built a PC or done upgrades I've had my pc for a year and I'm wanting to upgrade it and learn I don't really have cash I was going to upgrade with my tax return 🙃 and im looking for the smartest budget long term idea lol if that makes sense

@@imtweakz What video card?

@computerheadquarters what you mean

@@imtweakz You are thinking about upgrading from a 9600k to a 9900k. I'm assuming you want to upgrade because you are playing games and you want to get better performance (More FPS), right? If so, what video card is in your system?

Is it a good deal ??

Depends on what you are doing exactly (gaming/cad/video editing etc) but yes, as far as performance benchmarks go, the Ryzen 5 7600 is a lot faster than the i9-9900k.

Are you talking about stock 14700k with shitty XMP or OC? I still think a stock 14700k even with garbage ram, will beat out the 8700k by just more than 10fps in cpu-bound conditions, even if the 8700k has a golden imc since newer games scale with more cores. Also I would not even bother getting a 9900k, a 12700kf regularly goes on sale for $200.00 USD. Pair that with a MSI A-Pro z690 plus 2x16 DR B-die and you got a 6-10 year cpu for $500.00

Thats not a good reason to overpay though, right? My point isnt why would you buy a 9900k, it's why would you buy it for $500.

​@@computerheadquarters idk why you so focused on 500$ price when it can be purchased around 200$

@@KACHKATV I'm hoping the reason you say that is because you just literally didnt listen to the video itself. If you actually want to know the answer to your question, just listen to the video.

The 13900k is a great choice. The 14900k is about to come out too. Depends on what you use your PC for - if you only game and do basic use, its really hard to beat the 7800x3d. If you're doing a lot of other high end workstation stuff might be worth getting the extra cores and going 13900k or 7950x.

@@computerheadquarters mostly MAME - I use frame delay to reduce lag as much as possible. It’s surprisingly taxing for the cpu. I may upgrades to the 14900. Maybe a bozo will buy my cpu for $500! ;)

even i5 12400 is faster than 9900k. i9 9900k = i3 12100 in gaming

@@kotboyarkin5032 Not true.

@@sukmikehok1384 just check Hardware Unboxed video where they test multiple (30+) CPUs in some games. i3 12100 is faster than i9 9900k but just a little. And 12400 is much better than i9 9900k.

@@kotboyarkin5032 I have watched comparision between them. 12400f is similar with stock i9 9900k in some games but overclocked i9 9900k is faster and i3 is nowhere near i9 9900k.

10th and 11th were not worth it over a 9900k for gaming only in the last generation or 2 i.e. 12/13th did it become more worth it to upgrade esp since you needed a new mobo, really amd is now the way to go these days

Respectfully disagree. If they are both equal in performance like you said, the fact that 7600x is basically the WORST CPU on it's platform while the 9900k is the absolute maximum best you can ever have...the 7600x wins for pure upgrade potential.

@@computerheadquarters i dont make up the numbers. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bcx1Z5STp9uyd2g.html

@@computerheadquarters I think this comment answers your question. The 7600x would lay waste to the 9900k in gaming and most likely in productivity workloads. A simple search would confirm this but people use their preconceived notions like security blankets. And who pays $200 for an i7-7700k at this late date (from another comment)?

I just got a i9 9900k for 270 after shipping and tax sealed box. I have a 9400f. I have the same thought of not upgrading till 2025. I think that I will see much better performance as I will be recording gameplay using OBS. I think it's worth. You could get a good 12th gen motherboard that supports ddr5 ram. it's expensive but you could get a i5 12th gen under 220 and a ddr5 motherboard for 210. all of this is USD. or get a am5 motherboard and am5 cpu.

My trusty 9900KS (5GHz All Core) is holding the line for me till 15th Gen. I game at 4K with a 4090 on an 85" television in a living room setup. Everyone kept telling me that my 9900K and DDR4 ram would bottleneck my 4090. If so, I can't tell. 4K gaming at Ultra settings at locked 60fps. And even then, my 9900KS rarely goes above 60% utilization in any game. I don't really see why I need to upgrade to be honest, but I just feel running a 9th Gen in 2024 would kinda be silly.

Thats what im talkin about! :) Nice buy

Interesting! Without doing any research i would have thought AMD stuff would do it too since the xbox series x and ps5 can lay 4k uhd bluray.

New....on amazon? I'm saying new on amazon and I'm specifically saying it's actually selling because I am selling it.

@@computerheadquarters The i9 9900kf is $314.00 new on Amazon.

You might? We actually posted some refurbished units this week too so we had some for sale at a more reasonable $329.99. Only 5 left of the brand new ones though, 3 sold today.

Unless you get lucky, the license key gets transferred to the new motherboard without having to call Microsoft.

I just did a search and found that this isn't necessarily true. If you own a Retail version of Windows, then it can be transferred to new hardware. It's only the OEM version of Windows that is linked.

You probably overclocked on a non-water blocked build that's pretty much the reason it died.

@@tuberoyful It wasn't overclocked, it couldn't stay stable. I used an AIO.