I think this is good to point out that “woke” people make the State their god, as long as the State is controlled by them. I myself sway towards libertarianism and am a Latter-day Saint. In my opinion, people need to stop focusing on groups and realize that we’re all individuals. Our political affiliations are only a part of our identities and we need to start seeing people as individuals and children of the same Heavenly Father.

I think Jacob's point is that by claiming to be the arbiter of morality the state stands in place of God, whether they explicitly claim to be doing so or not. Just like we can discover mathematics (not invent it) and we can discover laws of physics, chemistry, etc (not invent them), we can discover morality that is preexistent and just as real and impactful on our life (if not more so) than the material, physical matter in this system we live in. Attempts to create flying machines without understanding the necessary laws and processes lead to failure. Likewise, we should seek to build a society based on true universal morality, or our best understanding of it, not attempt to dictate it ourselves. That leads to North Korea.

Most of Asia worships the state and believe in racial supremacy to a degree that would make the Klan blush

The atheist framework as we in the West understand it is an outgrowth of Christianity. Western atheism is an explicit rejection of the God of Judeo-Christian tradition. Atheism in the context of Eastern Asian cultures is separate, mostly due to the dominant culture in that part of the world. That's the reason eastern Asian "atheists" aren't woke; they are not the same as the atheists in our culture.

They never said that atheism necessarily leads to wokeism. Go to the 9:00 mark. Western atheists.

​@@thekolobsocietyI agree with you! Did I say that atheism leads to wokeism? I honestly was trying to respond to the question about Asian atheism.

Islam is the single largest religion in Asia with about 1.3 billion adherents. Asia constitute in absolute terms the world's Muslim population. South and Southeast Asia are home of the most populous Muslim countries, with Indonesia, Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh having more than 100 million adherents. Major religions in S. Asia are Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, and Jainism.

I believe that Alma's prophetic foresight anticipated what Korihor's ideology would lead to if unchecked: not merely amoral anarchy, but a totalitarian state.

Great point! Wow the Book of Mormon nails it!!

No he doesn't. He's just not 19 anymore. It's called reality.

Firstly, it confuses children. We are a sexually-reproducing species with two biological sexes, male and female; and embracing the masculinity or femininity that corresponds to that is one element of producing the happiest and healthiest people. And we already know through studies that gender dysphoria is a social contagion. Secondly, it's a simple matter of truth. Transgender ideology is offended speaking the truth of whether a person is male or female, so that reality must be obscured by word games. This is immoral. Logical clarity is good. Thirdly, gender dysphoria is merely one of many types of dysphorias. These are best dealt with through therapy that conditions the person. Therapy is not about affirming delusions. That's an abdication of one's duty as a therapist, but many are doing that for financial and social gain. Gender dysphoria is a serious problem with massive association with psychological distress, and this distress usually persists even after transition and social support. The solution is not make everyone else change their behaviour to accommodate the person; this is lunacy, and also doesn't solve the problem. Fourthly, female athletes have had their opportunities stolen by "trans women" who benefit from massive biological advantages. People like to dismiss this, but it is a real problem, and will only bevome more common if left unchecked. Fifthly, people pretending to be trans have gone into bathrooms they shouldn't be in and assaulted or acted creepy towards girls, or just made them uncomfortable. Actual trans people have done this too. Sixthly, numerous people have undergone "gender-affirming care" in the form of surgery or hormone therapy, only to learn that they have done very serious and permanent damage to their bodies and that their emotions were not improved. Therapists and surgeons are financially incentivized to affirm people in their trans delusions, and it's straight-up evil. I have had several friends affected by this, and I am subscribed to r/detrans on reddit. I've also listened to the video testimonies of people affected by this, as well as healthcare workers. Transhender ideology is a cancerous blight, and to deny this is folly that comes from either horrible indoctrination or extreme naivete. So thank you for asking.

If you read about the cultural revolution in china that ended in ,millions of deaths you will see a type and shadow of wokeness (a form of cultural marxism). Both are centralized around identity politics and perpetual victimhood which was used to justify horrendous atrocities. Areas like Women's sports is just the snowflake on top of the mountain of falsehoods. Within 40 years all women's sports records will be held by biological men identifying as women. In the Book Of Mormon it led to to the attempted and eventual genocide of the Nephites. It is the secret combinations and dissenters with grudges who constantly whip up the laminates to anger with identity politics excuses of the Nephites having robbed them or wronged them or are the children of liars. And they swore they would destroy them and their records. Never mind the Lamanites are the aggressors every time attacking the Nephites and seeking to destroy them. There is no live and let live with that type of hate. The same thing happened with the trans /LGBTQ movement. back in 2002 I debated my classmates on this subject and I hypothesized what they would do if they legalized it. I asked them point blank would you still let me say you are wrong? They all affirmed that they would and I would have my first amendment rights etc. I said no you won't because in order to get this normalized and accepted in society you will become the oppressors and tyrants you think I am just because I say what you are doing is wrong but I am willing to still give you the choice. You won't even allow me that. You will slander, defame, use social assassination, and then legal persecution to silence and shut me up because since what you are doing is inherently immoral just as Jesus Christ told Nicodemus in John 3:19-20 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. In the Book Of Mormon it is the same. It is not enough for the nephites to just become subject to the gadianton robbers, kingmen,dissenters, and lamanites they must renounce their faith and participate in their evil deeds as is stated in 3 Nephi 3:1-7,alma Chapter 2,46 etc. This takes many forms indoctrinating kids in school behind parents backs, Gay pride flags in the shcools and culture but religion and bibles are suppressed, you will celebrate pride minth or you are a homophobe, you will bake that cake despite your own morals.whatever happened to you do you and me do me? It was never about that it was about power which they admit. As one commentor I read said we have come out of the closet and we are shoving religous people into it. This is why we must speak out against the falsehood of trans identity or LGBTQ, or any other immoral or false lie associated with it (I am speaking of the acts not the person) When you deny eternal truth such as gender identity which is not only essential for progression but is eternally part of your existence and embrace falsehood you not only allow for evil and corrupt forces to exploit it which become ever increasingly tyrannical, you yourself will find yourself attacking others who disagree and attempting to suppress others to justify your position (by the way this is exactly what happened in the pre-existence with Gods and Lucifers plans and the necessity of free choice. it was the same pattern) Now are there those who embrace god who wrongfully and overzealously persecute those who choose differently, true that is human nature and part of the imperfection on both sides but at least in principle where as Gods way states the eternal law and consequences for violating's it which are fixed not by him but by the laws of the universe he will still allow you your free choice as opposition in all things. Lies on the other head because they have no foundation must by nature suppress and destroy the truth as they are a very threat to their existence. Reminds me of the Sword of Shannara epic where the Warlock lords whole existence is based on a lie of his own creation and when stripped of it by the truth he by nature must perish. I could go on with the atheist argument against the trans and LGBT issue as well based on the evolutionary, social, economic and population crisis we are creating by embracing this as well but that's another discussion.

I think there are several questions but a big question comes down to a tipping point. If a small percentage of people are trans, that's one thing. But if the stats are correct that 25% of gen z identifies as something other than their genetic sex, then we are headed toward societal collapse. 25% of people opting out of having children means that infrastructure will break down. Everyone who retires needs a cohort of working age people doing all of their jobs to support them in their old age. If those people aren't born, what happens to everyone now living who is getting older? So, are we talking about people just cross dressing or are we talking about people permanently altering their bodies that will prevent them from reproducing? And even if they technically have the right parts, what effect does cross sex hormones have on fetuses? These are uncomfortable questions that I don't see addressed very well. I also don't see truly informed consent on the kids who are going through this. Heck, we barely have good informed consent as it is for ordinary medical care. Do they understand long term ramifications and that there is always risk involved with medications and surgeries, including regret. I was sort of a tom boy growing up. I fear that if I were a kid today, I would be pressured to transition. There are as many ways to be a woman as there are women, and I fear that the trans question hyper polarizes both sexes into characatures of themselves.

It's more than trans. It's truth. If we are forced (or are willing) to accept lies (a man is a woman if he wants to be) as truth, then everything is a compound in one and nothing matters or has meaning.

@@quarteralien Very well put. Thank you for taking the time to answer! Ultimately, it seems like it’s a fear of societal collapse due to a lack of healthy reproduction. So interesting.

No, that isn't what "woke" is. That's what a Motte-and-Bailey is

@@jacekiser5876 Cambridge Dictionary: aware, especially of social problems such as racism and inequality Merriam-Webster: aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice) Even Ron DeSantis who is against the woke movement defines it as "the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them"

"Being woke is the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them." OK. But then we need to define what is injustice. Woke will say that colorblind is racism, so a systemic injustice for people of color. A woke will agree with that but if you disagree doesn´t make you also woke. Definitions matters, and you are using the same word in different contexts and blending them as being one and the same.

The modus operandi of wokism is victimhood culture.

Nobody who is "woke" would accept that conservatives can be woke. In current usage it's adoption of marxism and intersectionality as the solution to any perceived injustices. And with those two philosophies together, literally EVERY interaction is made up of oppressor vs oppressed, thus everything is an injustice. Hence we have real articles claiming that math is racist, etc.

Those are really interesting things to think about. The scientific revolution happened in the Christian west precisely because Christians believed in a God of order who created a system that could be understood and studied. When you say communism has been "successful" in China I assume your measurement of success is national economy. I would wonder if comparing individual standard of living, levels of freedom, and fear of government might rate "success" differently.

@@BehavingBradly Indeed.

You'd make them all wear diapers...

@@joshua.snyder No. But I certainly wouldn't intentionally hurt those children to elderly with medical conditions that require them. Such hate crimes are violations of the Americans With Disabilities Act.

"Without that each person has an equal claim to decide what is good or bad" Not if each person agrees on a common moral standard, such as wellbeing, which is already the case around the world.

​​@@alienwarex51i3 They only agree because there was a belief in a God that would punish them for eliminating anyone that could keep them from getting what they want. Getting a bigger brain wouldn't stop the dog eat dog law of the jungle instincts, it would only allow them to come up with new more ruthless ways to eliminate competition for what they want. Watch "Interview With An Evil Child" to see what all children would be like.

Being groomed does not equal a choice

You can't choose your sexuality

​@@alienwarex51i3Correct. Should say choose who they wish to marry.

​@@TheLoneWolf818That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

I imagine a major city Intersate when I vision the "path of Satan". haha

Invoking "wokeism" boogiemen as a fear tactic is one of them.

That's funny. Jesus taught people to be transformed, and to convince others to accept the personal transformation Jesus brings. He didn't tell them to scream until you force society to conform to you. But woke is about virtue signaling, seeming to be virtuous without doing anything to be so. If you scream loud enough on the street corner, you can prevent the poorest of the poor from switching from the worst fuels on the planet, coal, dung, wood, with higher co2 and pollution to cleaner natural gas. And you never have to lift a finger to reduce your standard of living. But you'll feel virtuous and be applauded by the mob. Jesus said, do not be like the Pharisees who pray aloud in the street to be seen of men. Jesus didn't tell his followers to make an uproar until the people you despise are canceled, fired, lose their livelihood. Yet, when Pilate asked what Jesus had done, the Pharisees couldn't answer with evidence, 'but they shouted all the more, crucify him!' That's woke. They're the self-righteous crowd Jesus spoke against.

Agreed. This is the self righteous crowd Jesus spoke against. Those feeling virtuous, having done the least. Just looking at the culture within the US last several hundred years and that still exists in pockets throughout the nation today… there are various groups of individuals who are largely identified by characteristics which some use as justification to despise, cancel, fire, and destroy the livelihoods of those lumped into these groups. Jesus’ teachings and example provided in the Bible do seem to suggest he would support the concept of liberty, freedom, and justice being available to all; not just a privileged group.

​@mdhhthh8593 Interesting. I got a notification of your message because I replied in this thread... But when I came to read your post, mine wasn't visible. It said there was 1 reply to the original post. I came back to the video and scrolled through the measures until I found this one. Still, only your reply. I eventually got it to show up, but I'm guessing my post isn't visible to most people.

​@@mdhhthh8593 And look at that... it copied your name but it's in white rather than the blue link that shows you'll get a notification of a reply. That's been happening to me regular as well.

I often think of how few Christians promote Christ like behavior to money changers.

Sure. It's clickbait. But it's about societal falsehoods. Wokeism is a new god that is trying to poach from the church, as well as all other logic. It is counter-truth, and God is Truth.

Core Gospel principles refute woke ideology, yet lots of people don’t realize that. What Jacob and Cwic are doing is incredibly valuable and Christ centered.

“Preach, just don’t preach against evil” like what

@@ItsSnagret I could be wrong but I am hearing Atheism=Woke=The Left=Evil. I don’t agree with the ideology of the Democratic platform. But without a definition of what woke is my concern is that we are dividing peaceful Americans, that are mostly in the center red or blue, with generalized logic. Politics will not survive this earth. All “woke” libs are not far left Atheists. And of course preach against evil, just keep politics out of spreading the gospel. That’s all I am saying in the spirit of good faith.

Think about those you know who have abandoned their religion... Now think about what common threads they share. This is important work

Way to be an idiot and not notice he is a libertarian

@@scottishwarrior3547 why complain about atheism if you don't want theocracy? Libertarians are silly conservatives who love public services, but don't want to pay for them. That's stupid

@@scottishwarrior3547has to resort to personal attacks and saying someone is stupid instead of stating facts… I grade your communication skills a D+. I have no idea if you are an idiot so I will not personally attack you.

@@Mountainmanof It is right, however forgive his fallibilty. He meant to say "uneducated" and needs to learn to do "research" in providing real sources and facts.

When you talk about the United States, you have to be specific as to which era you're referring to since the United States of today is unrecognizable from the founding, or even from 60 years ago.