Why Bahá'ís Pray Facing Baha'u'llah’s Shrine: Iblis, Qiblih, and Anthropomorphism - Bridging Beliefs

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Bridging Beliefs

Bridging Beliefs

7 жыл бұрын

In Islam it is categorically forbidden to pray to anything or anyone other than Almighty God. Time stamps below 👇
Everyday, when Bahá'ís performing their "Obligatory Prayer" or "Salát" or "Namáz", they face and prostrate towards Baha'u'llah's resting place and Shrine in Bahji, Israel. And technically it isn't to the Shrine as much as it is to Baha'u'llah Himself, because during the lifetime of Baha'u'llah, Bahá'ís turned to wherever He was residing, throughout His exiles.
This, on the surface, seems to evidently be "Shirk", or worshiping someone other than God. We'll take a look more closely at the Qur'an and examine four reasons why this isn't idol worship.
Table of Contents:
1. 0:38 Intro
2. 2:37 The Divine Assayer - God Tests
3. 13:07 The Qiblih
4. 22:19 No Change in His Ways: Adam & Iblis
5. 44:48 Conclusion
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@persalba
@persalba 5 жыл бұрын
Wonderful insights shining light on the path of every seeker after Truth! Thank you...
@jamal1844
@jamal1844 5 жыл бұрын
thank you so much it's a very interesting video, I need to watch it again :)
@MeroFromVero
@MeroFromVero 6 жыл бұрын
I thought your explication of Adam as the Qiblih of his time was particularly insightful. It seems obvious in retrospect, but I never would have noticed it if you hadn't pointed it out.
@bradcrawford3116
@bradcrawford3116 4 жыл бұрын
There is a prophetic message in the story of Adam and Iblis in Islám, that being the obedience unto the Khalífah. God appointed Alí as a Khalífah and Iblis or “power hungry people” refused to accept it, but God gave them respite until the Day of Resurrection.
@oceanmachine1906
@oceanmachine1906 4 жыл бұрын
Very true, this is part of the obvious esoteric importance of this reoccuring significance of Adam and Iblis in the Holy Qur'an
@theamericansuccessor
@theamericansuccessor Жыл бұрын
Are you referring to Imam Ali a.s. or The Báb s.a.w.?
@TeamAwesomese
@TeamAwesomese 3 жыл бұрын
Very well written
@sankaranpillai1176
@sankaranpillai1176 5 жыл бұрын
Interesting and informative
@mimimodder2753
@mimimodder2753 4 жыл бұрын
"The Qiblih is indeed He Whom God will make manifest; whenever He moveth, it moveth, until He shall come to rest." Thus was it set down by the Supreme Ordainer when He desired to make mention of this Most Great Beauty. Meditate on this, O people, and be not of them that wander distraught in the wilderness of error. So when bahaullah was alive bahais were facing him when they pray?
@shadbakht
@shadbakht 4 жыл бұрын
Aida Tesfaye this is what the video presents. He answers this.
@arthurdduda63
@arthurdduda63 4 жыл бұрын
Is this not the description of Muhammad peace be upon him, he's buried under the kabba is he not, so he being the greatest and last prophet isn't it fitting that we bow also to him while bowing to the kabba, and the prophet Muhammad soul or spirit in whom the lord delights is the spark of the souls of all the prophets, when he went to heaven he saw all the prophets lined up behind him all the way to Adam, but there's no mention of any in front of him.
@arthurdduda63
@arthurdduda63 4 жыл бұрын
It's hard to believe in those days, how would they know where he was, when he was traveling all the time, it's not like they had internet like today and instant communications, besides the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him and his family, he is buried at the kabba in mecca and the hadith say when jesus peace be upon him dies he will be buried next to him, so why would you face Haifa Israel ? If the kabba is called the sacred house and all muslims were instructed to pray facing it and the prophet Muhammad is buried there and other prophets near it and jesus is going to be buried there why wouldn't we still face it ?
@DerpySloth
@DerpySloth 4 жыл бұрын
Arthur D Duda Muhammad peace be upon him is NOT buried under the kaaba i don’t know who told you that but it’s false.
@DerpySloth
@DerpySloth 4 жыл бұрын
Arthur D Duda the kaaba is just used as a direction for prayer it is not directly worshipped
@daivageeveerapen7337
@daivageeveerapen7337 5 жыл бұрын
I Think HUMANS responds better when they are treated with KINDNESS ,GENGLENESS AND LOVE.
@davidvahido
@davidvahido 6 жыл бұрын
technically they pray facing the garden where Baha'u'llah's remains are found
@shadbakht
@shadbakht 6 жыл бұрын
Will Owens watch at 2:14
@unrob9
@unrob9 6 жыл бұрын
137 O people of the Bayán! Fear ye the Most Merciful and consider what He hath revealed in another passage. He said: “The Qiblih is indeed He Whom God will make manifest; whenever He moveth, it moveth, until He shall come to rest.” Thus was it set down by the Supreme Ordainer when He desired to make mention of this Most Great Beauty. Baha'u'llah. The Most Holy Book. Paragraph 137.
@analiszoran5228
@analiszoran5228 5 жыл бұрын
i am respect to all comunity Baha'i ...i am know something people rasict about Baha'i ...
@Altavian
@Altavian 5 жыл бұрын
Brother, I have three questions. As a muslim, we are taught that The prophets all taught the end times are a tyrannical hell. This is the one world government, where no man can buy or sell without the mark of the beast. We know this from (peace and blessings on all of them) Daniel, from Ezekial, Jerimiah, Zacharias, Jesus (revelations) and Mohammed. Then why do bahai religion talk of peace and a one world government? Is this not a false teaching? Secondly, We are told in the Quaran that a rasul is greater than a nabi, and Mohammed is the khatim nabi, the final prophet. We also know every rasul is a nabi since, for example, although Allah refers to Moses as a rasul, his brother is called a nabi, and yet all rasuls are also called nabi. Hence how can a messenger (rasul) come when no more prophets can come? Thirdly, why would God send a new rasul, when the koran "perfected the religion" as per Allah, and there would be hence no need? Lastly the Koran also states that the ones who cry "peace" are the mischief makers--is this not referring to Trump and Bahai also? Peace and Love brother, Salaam
@BridgingBeliefs
@BridgingBeliefs 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you brother for those important questions. In fact, questions like these are one of the main purposes of this KZfaq channel. God willing, I will try and answer as many of these common objections as I can. These three you’ve asked will be too long to answer in this comment. Your first question on eschatology (one world government etc) will hopefully be addressed in a future video. Your second question on the Seal of the Prophets has already been addressed on this channel kzfaq.info/get/bejne/q7hyf9B1rtDPg30.html . You’re third question on Qur’an 5:3 will also need to be responded to in future video. Please stay tuned. Know that there are also plenty of resources online and books that also answer these questions. Peace
@simka321
@simka321 7 жыл бұрын
Maybe I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I am still trying to wrap my head around the idea that our souls get "stronger" or "better" when God suddenly changes the rules arbitrarily - with no rhyme or reason - just to "test" believers. There is no solid criteria here, no ultimate standard to which a believer - or a non-believer for that matter - to reference as a guide for making sense of the new change. This makes as much sense as the dubious Islamic doctrine of "nashkh" (abrogation) which has always struck me as a slick way for explaining completely irrational changes of plans, or worse, mistakes, made by the original redactors of the Quran. This is all a polite way of saying that, no matter how many "primary sources" and "original document" you reference to bolster your argument, you can't make sense out of nonsense.
@lorenh763
@lorenh763 2 жыл бұрын
It is worth remembering that only Iblis would not prostrate before Adam, who was created in the likeness of God and taught some of the knowledge of God ( the names of animals in Quranic narrative). In other words, Adam was a manifestation of God and so the angels bowed before him. Therefore, unless you would follow Iblis, prostrate before God's manifestation who is Baha'u'llah in this day
@d.s.1564
@d.s.1564 6 жыл бұрын
I have not watched the whole video yet so I am not sure if you have already mentioned this in the video or not but I had like to mention here that many Prophets are buried inside the Kaaba (Qiblih for Muslims) as well, although many Muslims are not aware of this. Prophet Ishmael and his mother are buried in Hajr-Ismail. Imam Muhammad al-Baqir, the fifth Shia Imam, said that the place between Rukn and Maqam is full of graves of the Prophets. Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq, the sixth Shia Imam (who is also deeply respected by the Sunni Muslims), said that seventy Prophets are buried between Rukn al-Aiman and Hajar al-Aswad. Evidently, Muslims praying towards Kaaba are not doing Shirk, therefore, Bahá'ís performing their Namaz towards Baha'u'llah's resting place and Shrine in Bahji is also not Shirk.
@d.s.1564
@d.s.1564 5 жыл бұрын
@Hello Corp Sir, have you investigated first to check if what I have said is right or wrong? It seems you have only assumed that I am wrong. Anyhow, it is unanimously agreed by Muslims that Prophet Ishmael and his mother are buried in Hajr-Ismail (hateem). The original shape of Kaaba was not square; it was rectangle and the hateem used to be a part of Kaaba. Hateem is considered part of Kaaba and praying inside this area means you are praying inside Kaaba, and for this reason it is not entered during the tawaf. Refer to the Wikipedia page: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajr_Ismail As regards the narrations of the Imams, I found them at this page: www.al-islam.org/ziyarat/saudi.htm For further evidence, the following article mentions several of the narrations of Muhammad (pbuh): sunnah.org/wp/2016/02/14/graves-of-allahs-prophets-in-masjid-al-haram/ I hope the subject is sufficiently clarified. God bless you.
@lul5749
@lul5749 5 жыл бұрын
@@d.s.1564 There is no proof of what you are saying. Read here islamqa.info/en/answers/22004/there-is-no-basis-for-hijr-ismaaeel-being-so-called
@Angel197205
@Angel197205 5 жыл бұрын
The Kaaba doesn't have any grave in it. Please stop lying on islam. A shi'a imam may say what he wishes to say, it doesn't make it true. Islamic references are the Qur'an and ahadith and the shi'a imams were born centuries after the completion of those.
@gurmadtv231
@gurmadtv231 4 жыл бұрын
we always obsseced WITH man made stuff and never be gratfull as we polluted this nature same happining our believes system of one god now.."but thanks too islam the only and last fullfilled and never be corrupted or touched who ever try will vanish is the only book saved in the heart of millions of people worldwild".
@arthurdduda63
@arthurdduda63 4 жыл бұрын
Isn't it also in I believe in Ezekiel how the creatures that surrounded the one with the appearance as the glory of God, when he saw the wheels turned towards him or the way he did, sorry if I'm not remembering it right, I'll have to look it up. And also, QUESTION, all the prophets said to worship and give thanks to GOD, ( specifically talking about Abrahamic faiths) Jews don't worship Moses as far as i know, Muslims don't worship Muhammad , Christians however worship Jesus as God... so do or should we worship BAHA U LLAH as GOD, OR do we worship ALLAH in the name of BAHA U LLAH, or is there no difference, or being we face him and pray to GOD , is that covering those bases so to speak ? And I think we need to pray for Christians and Muslims to be given grace and mercy to understand, its a tall order , one to get a Christian to accept Muhammad let alone Buddha or any other divine , and to break free of the traditions they've been taught about the message of Jesus and his return and the day of resurrection, and just as difficult to get Muslims to turn from the mosque and to accept another prophet and revelation, preachers and scholars have such a hold on people in both faiths you could almost say they're locked in hell, and while leaving it and coming to BAHA U LLAH and the truth would be turning towards GOD and heaven, those preachers and scholars will make them feel like they're heading for hell, i experienced this going from Christianity to Islam, then within Islam going to Shia Islam, a saving grace coming to BAHA'I teachings is i knew the hadiths about the IMAM and saw in the BAHA'I teachings about his life that he fulfilled those things prophesied about him by the prophet, must admit I'm somewhat as saddened he was treated so terribly by Shia and Sunni , surely all prophets and their families have suffered in this world, but the prophet Muhammad and his family suffered at the hands of those who said they followed and loved him, may Allah bless Muhammad and his family, and the BAB and BAHA U LLAH for all their suffering and exalt them in this life and the next. THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL YOUR TEACHING IT'S BEEN A GREAT HELP IN UNDERSTANDING .
@sampaul2884
@sampaul2884 6 жыл бұрын
Muslims, are they really praying facing the black rock which is the symbol of idol worshipping or they pray facing the holy shrine of Muhammad in the holy mosque which is within the vicinity of Kaaba? Muhammad was the recipient of gods word and his mouth piece.
@TanzeemS81
@TanzeemS81 6 жыл бұрын
sam paul Assalamualaikum :) everything you said is incorrect, please research information out there for free. Thanks and peace :)
@libertyappalachian8067
@libertyappalachian8067 3 жыл бұрын
Can you please help me understand a problem I am having???? Is bahaullah God? Was all the manifestations? It seems to go against the Quran. Also do you pray to bahaullah? This all seems wrong. These are what is holding me back. Nothing else. Please help. Thanks
@unrob9
@unrob9 3 жыл бұрын
According to the Bahai Writings, the Manifestations are not God. God is eternally unknowable even to Them, a Manifestation of God is a perfectly polished mirror shining God's Divine Light into the world. As they are the channel of God's grace we pray through them. They are the bearers of God's Message, the reflection of God's Love and Will, the Messengers that Supreme Being sends to communicate His Word.
@ontariofareed
@ontariofareed 2 жыл бұрын
@@unrob9 " we pray through them " ???? I am confused ... this means you pray to manifestation not God ? can you explain pls
@ontariofareed
@ontariofareed 2 жыл бұрын
@@unrob9 God is unknowable essence is understandable but still this unknowable essence is different than the manifestation of God .... mirror and sun are completely to different things ... we can not pray towards mirror and say we are paying towards GOD.
@ontariofareed
@ontariofareed 2 жыл бұрын
I DO HAVE SAME PROBLEM TOO ... I asked many bahais ... most of them say we pray towards Bahaullah ... even bahai obligatory prayers seems to be towards Bahaullah ....
@moz8584
@moz8584 4 жыл бұрын
Seems a bit far fetched honestly to me
@afruze14
@afruze14 3 жыл бұрын
What does?
@alisonquinto5179
@alisonquinto5179 2 жыл бұрын
Jesus is the only one that gave his life for forgiveness of sins, for all humanity. Can not enter heaven without forgiveness of sins by Jesus God in the flesh. one way one truth and one way to life eternal!
@shadbakht
@shadbakht 2 жыл бұрын
True. But He shall return not for forgiveness of sins, but for salvation!
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