It is possible o be worse than the USA... In China these days they teach school children songs about hating America. They have millions of starving and homeless people, but not officially. You go to prison if you dare say you need help or talk about your problems... The CCP seems to copy all the worst parts of capitalism,the worst mistakes the west have since moved on from...

When US enterprises have the advantage, they will shout "Free trade is the most important thing". When US enterprises are at a disadvantage, they will complain that "national security is threatened"

By play fair they mean dont rip people off to pay 1 man squillions of dollars

It is becoming impossible for the emperor without clothes to hold solitary beauty pageant on horse back.

Stop devaluing your currency. Stop your slave labor. What's the matter, your economy is in the toilet?😂

Americans pay the tariffs. This law destroys US competitiveness.

The US government want their citizens to pay more !

That what happen when gangsters running the country

China put 200% tariffs on Australian wine because we asked, how COVID started. Australia gave up on making cars so now we place no tariffs on any cars. Australians are buying Chinese cars like lemmings because they are “cheap”. I’ll only buy them if they are scrap metal prices.

Yup, they should have been developing affordable Ev's.

You can go to Mexico try the BYD shark. It will be available in August. Not sure if US allow parallel import.

Wake up to economic reality. Then do some homework. I'll help you to get started. If you look at the original Tesla business plan, it has always been to build an expensive model (to underwrite the development cost) and then to figure out how to mass-manufacture a vehicle that is desirable and affordable. So the S and X came first, then the 3 and the Y at half the price, and the next vehicle is going to be a $25K vehicle. Tesla lives in the sociopathic American capitalist model where public company valuation is dependent of growth and profitability. Remember back in 2017 when the press was talking about Tesla-Killers, those vehicles that the legacy manufacturers would build with their amazing expertise, that would put Tesla out of business? Today, every Ford Mach E that sells for around $50K costs Ford over $120K! GM is in the same boat, as is Mercedes, VW, BMW, and every other legacy manufacturer. Tesla is the most profitable company in the auto sector globally! Look at the Cybertruck. It has pioneered a bunch of new technologies: 48-volt electricals, 4-wheel steering, steer by wire, revolutionary heat exchange gear, etc etc (check out Sandy Munro's KZfaq channel) and Tesla now has technology they can figure out how to mass-manufacture this new technology for their new low-cost vehicle. The legacy auto manufacturers are desperate. They're going to be forced to license everything from factory systems to auto design to wiring systems to software and they'll have no choice but to go to Tesla. Meanwhile, Joe Biden is trying to screw Tesla, SpaceX, Elon Musk, and help out his Big Business Buddies.

@@robvannNS The supply chain still needs to grow! Cybertruck was their way of introducing 48v parts. No way to start with a mass volume vehicle and grow that ramp without a built up supply chain... Also, Tesla model 3 and Model Y cost less than the average selling price of cars in the USA. Lower cost than a base Corolla TCO 5 years and 10 years... Tesla outsells the cheaper Chinese cars other than the under 10k EVs without safety features... The amount of demand they would get for a cheaper EV means that hey have to be large enough before trying, or it would be useless. Less margins on lower priced car, means that you have to ramp up to higher production numbers before you break even so having size, cash saved up, good relationships with parts suppliers that have to grow along with your ramp is super important...

@@richardhamilton-gibbs6360 Must was born and raised in a country that belongs to the other world...Sth Africa is in BRICS and his genius is resented in the US...he could be just as successful batting for the china=russia team.

TBF, Japan has had all that for nearly 50 years! First Bullet Train was built in the 1960s. I've travelled on both Chinese and Japanese systems - but ten years ago. I imagine the Chinese systems have surpassed the Japanese ones by now. And they are so much cheaper to use!

@@stevezodiacXL5 China has built enough high speed rail to circle the earth. Japan, not so much

@@robisverybad75 Don't be daft mate - look at a map. Japan hasn't got the land mass to build that much. ;-) China has done great things - I've travelled all over China and Japan, speak pretty good Japanese, and very basic Mandarin. I know both countries pretty well. No need to be so twitchy! I love China! But you can't deny the fact that Japan built its high speed rail in the 60s, and that's all I'm saying.

Trade protection will only make American manufacturers lazier and fatter.

Before Japan entered the US market, American car companies designed cars to have major maintenance after warranties ended at 3 years. Search for planned obsolescence for details.

@@coachtaewherbalife8817 Yup, I could never figure out why fuel pumps lasted only 30 thousand miles or alternators at about 50..

lol, isn't Biden is accusing China of Over capacity & national security" how come that US permitted Elon Musk Tesla to manufacture car in China while closing Tesla plant in Texas and Apple Iphones too. ? Why not order Tesla n Apple to close their plant and back to US . Instead closing Texas plant of Tesla causing thousands of job loses, and unemployment?

And now Honda and Toyota have languished themselves into complacency, arrogance and near irrelevance, ever dependant on crossover SUVs that fetch the highest profit margins Screams like an impending economic collapse

Used to travel around East Asia a lot between 2006 and 2016, and even then, all the talk was of China developing its internal market, and how they would improve the buying power of their working and middle class folk, so they were not so dependent on exports. Of course, with their new friends in BRICS, they have a couple of billion people happy to buy their products! While us in Europe and the USA (perhaps half a billion) have to pay for over-priced goods because we are too dumb to work out that good trade conditions are mutually beneficial.

China ia already the largest auto market.

China‘s exports to ASEAN countries has already surpassed exports to US. Trades has heat up between China/ Russia, China/India. And there are markets in Central Asia, West Asia, Africa and S.America. China is open up new markets, but US is only worry been defending its own market. 😆 US is lost globally.

​@@stevezodiacXL5 Europe has tariffs but they're not as bad as the American ones, some Chinese cars are already here. I hope the EU authorities don't follow the American example, otherwise we'll stay with gas powered cars for a long time. Even the cheapest European EVs are outside the reach of the working class.

Countries which are still under developed will have the latest ev technology ahead of the USA so China is not worried about being blocked from the us market . The rest of the world is a much larger market than America.

“Free trade” is British excuse to invade China in 1889 because China banned opium import.

It never existed

Trump killed the deals we had that were very favorable to the USA. We got those deals in the 1990s when the USA was a super strong force in the world and Trump just threw that away at a time when USA was much weaker and we got way worse deals... He added 25-30 tariffs on many goods from China. We, would probably have a lot more solar panels in the USA if it were not for the extra 30% added to the cost of the panels... But also, apparently regulations make it tale long and be expensive as well, depending on the locality.

Free trade only exists if the competitors are playing on a level field. If the competitors are subsidized by their government per car then the competition is unfair since it’s a rigged competition. Can’t see why either of these old farts have such a hard time getting their heads around this fact. It looks like all they want is a low price on a poorly constructed cart. Since they are so upset I say let them have one each and see how happy they are saving the planet after a few months. Sounds like biden dementia is spreading.

Yah that...was horseshit from the get-go. The moment corporations had the ability to lobby governments to prevent competition from existing there wasnt gonna BE free trade. Theres only "who has the money to pay for the right to 'compete'". Note... "compete" this ain't competition, it's a party with a door fee, but once you're in, if youre in, youre set.

Try convincing your fellow Americans of that ... they'll offer you a hefty dose of "freedom".

I saw on TikTok that many elderly Americans still have to work and pay inheritance tax on their houses even if they are over 60 years old.

What do you mean they manufacture in the cave ?? , they live in the cave as well 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂

Welcome to U$ freedom and democracy, where you will own nothing and will be "free" from all possessions, moral, dignity, respect, sovereign self.

Last I checked theres... several large solar companies that produce stateside. That's one of the very few things weve actually done right.

@@tailslapexplore6887 Oh my bad, I'd thought they lived in tents. 🤔😢

Take the time to check out EV fires (The CCP try to keep it under wraps) in China. Dig deep enough, and you will not be wanting a Chinese EV.....

I am from Taiwan, thus I am Chinese. Recommend to you a good channel by a patriotic US citizen who runs a company in China, importing heavy machinery and equipment of various sorts made in China (tractors, street food court vans and so on) to US buyers -- Inside China Business. He is a very modest and well-mannered gentleman. I was extremely surprised to find out that there are still some people in the US that are intelligent and wise, and void of neocon kind of stupidity and belligerence.

As a Chinese living in the US for over 40 years, I have been watching closely the development of Sino-US relations during these years, I hate to say that my observation so far has been very negative and frustrating mainly due to the stupidity and ideological orientation of the politicians in the US and their immature and childish approach when dealing with China, who usually is the one behaving like a mature adult. I still have the American dream and I believe it could be achieved sooner if without those incompetent and disastrous politicians.

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@@resnica3557 I wish I didn't have to say this but that businessman you know is in the minority here in the USA. The fact that he does frequent business in China tells me that he is well traveled and able to reach his own at least somewhat informed conclusions. Most of us here don't have the time or mental flexibility to challenge all of the propaganda we are force fed here our whole lives. It took me at least 25 years and I am still a work in progress.

Quoted by you: "honestly I think that the Chinese are at least 50 years ahead of the US if not more in ALL aspects of their lives. " TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU !! There is a saying: "If you want to see what a city looks like in the future, go to China and what a city looks like in the past, go to you know where"

shiiiii, never stop the enemy when they are making a mistake.

Researchers found Huawei equipment to contact CCP servers... There are plenty of other phones and electronics made in China that do not get banned... China will blame everything on anti-China sentiments. Even if people get upset that the CCP are kidnapping people in other countries and smuggling them back to China, CCP will claim to be the victim of racism or something like that...

it will never happen in America simply because of American urban planning made it impossible

Absolutism is ridiculous, just chillax and let van lifers have a place to live

And bicycles and walkable neighbourhoods.

Yes , we need a national interstate train system.

@@888YangJi Many of us don't live in or near the urbs! We also need to move our materials, including a full load of shopping every month. I either drive the smallest car just for me, or a truck for when I have full loads. America is too large and sparsely populated in rural areas for any kind of public transit.

They tried to do it on Huawei but to no avail

You got it.. but it's actually worse than that. Even traditional US vassals will think twice about imposing the same protectionist policies. Australia for example is a die hard US vassal, but it has no such restrictions on Chinese EVs because it doesn't have an automobile manufacturing industry that it needs to protect. Italy, another US ally, is going further to solicit Chinese EV companies to go and build there. So the US will find itself increasingly isolated and its Big 3..well 2, increasingly uncompetitive in the rest of the world.

Profit. The Chinese are not a charity, and operating in a small country has NO economies of scale.

That is because there is a U$ phenomenon called "if you believe the lie, then it is no longer a lie"

Just don't play the game.

With more tariffs apply on import of Chinese goods, pretty soon those Chinese made agricultural machinery is going to be less competitive in the US as those farmers in the US will have to pay a higher price for those machinery made in US which in term, they have to increase their price on their agricultural products like wheat, corn, barley and so on to the market which means Americans have to pay more for all that.

I know Taiwan makes a lot of tools, and those WILL NOT be affected by the tariffs. They do make good tools at very good prices. With respects to agricultural machines but am curious if they from China or Taiwan because it makes a difference when it comes to tariffs.

Taxi and Uber like service is so cheap in China, I recently visited Chengdu and I was so pleased and satisfied with the service. Btw their subway fares costs US$0.5

Water buffet already do that over 10 years ago and he made billions in BYD stock

Elon makes $1 a year from Tesla. The 50B pay package is a theoretical number, based on the stock price that fluctuates like crazy. It also seemed impossible for him to meet the criteria to get that "bonus". His bonus is that he gets to buy Tesla shares at an old price. He would pay about $6b to Tesla for those shares. He cannot sell those shares for 5 years. Tesla gets the cash now, is usable no matter what happens to the share price in five years... At east it is a great deal for Tesla! Tesla does not have to pay the most successful CEO that we have ever seen... Instead they will be up $6b in real cash (losses are only theoretical)...

Best African car on the market

Welcome to U$ freedom and democracy, where you will own nothing and will be "free" from all possessions, moral, dignity, respect, sovereign self.

Quoted by you: "What happened to “land of the free home of the brave”? " It was never the land of the free but only of the free to Kill the Native Indians. Land of the brave ?? haha Brave only to kill all others when only in a mob or in a proxy war !!!

The profits are going to the wrong people, thats not allowed to happen, so action needs to be taken to make sure the money is made by the right people again

The first batch of pure electric BYD taxi was deployed in Shenzhen in 2011. A lot of them have over 1 million kilometer milage before decommissioned. The battery can still hold up to 85%.

Your average Americans are easily talked into disliking electric vehicles， Chinese made or not. However, the American military cannot resist the benefits of electric vehicles. The power is one reason, the heat signature is two, the noise is three, and the cost is four. For example, an electric tank is infrared stealth. After all, the tank's engine is a huge heat source and a target. I am quite sure that the Chinese military will drive electric vehicles. Now, BYD makes cars in Mexico. The Mexican police will soon drive electric cars to chase criminals' multimillion-dollar sports cars. As a result, the drug dealers must also drive electric cars. So, only the old pussies want to drive an internal combustion vehicle.

Longevity is another benefit of the Chinese made LFP batteries which can be charged for 5000 cycles or more with little degradation. There's statistically a higher probability your car will rust apart before those batteries stop charging.

The latest BYD hybrid EV will suit you perfectly! It will run 2400km with a full tank without worries about charging, price starting from US$12500

You got to be honest??? Are you crazy about your life or your family's lives? Key bridge, remember? Waterproof cars save lives, and EVs can be easily waterproof. Some BYD models are waterproof. So, you got to be honest, you are not crazy about your life and your family's lives.

Don’t worry, the Fed will move the goalposts and 4% is tolerable

I think you meant to say "it's battery is REPLACEABLE", not inflamable.

@@user-ul6oe7gt2l nope I meant inflammable, because the chemical compound used is fire resistant.

@@888YangJi ...Then I think you meant to say that it's "NON-flamable", NOT inflamable. Inflamable describes opposite of what you said.

@@user-ul6oe7gt2l yes you are right thx

@@888YangJi NON flammable is more precise.

Doubtful.. the biggest cost in an EV is the battery and most US battery tech is dependent on Nickel which are way more expensive than the LFP used in Chinese EVs, and 90% of those are made in China which the US has now blocked. US vassals like Japan and SK are way behind the Chinese in LFP manufacturing. Until such times when the US can manufacture or source LFP batteries cost effectively. They will not be able to reach that level of cost in their EVs

Considering the quality of $100k Cybertruck, do you really want to think about what kind of quality an American $20k EV would have?

That’s when industries are in their infancy and the American industries are certainly not in their infancy anymore .

@@jimmielin1141 American electric cars aren't competitive with Chinese cars. Labor costs are only one part.

​@@coachtaewherbalife8817true.. but not sure if time necessarily helps with that

They're already in Mexico!!! Will United States of Sanctions and Canada respect NAFTA?

BYD is more than happy to setup its plants in the US, creating jobs for the locals, but they need assurance from your Government that they won’t be screwed

Welcome to U$ freedom and democracy, where you will own nothing and will be "free" from all possessions, moral, dignity, respect, sovereign self. China has robust development, R&D strategies. US has robust PR strategies.

The invisible hand is chopped off by mercantilism, aka crony capitalism, aka government and select companies making deals in restraint of free trade.

Oh it works. You just need to understand the timelines for it, which in THIS case are about 50 years. Come back in 50 years and see who's left standing (or in the case of Florida WADING) and why. Of course probably YOU AND I will be dead so ...

That’s old school, we all now have to learn Bidenomics

Have ever heard of “catfish effect”?

@@jimmielin1141 No.

I do hope U$ would ban all things from China, that way, all the new tech can flow to people of the global south. U$ + G7 is not even 15% of global population, nobody cares, they are a small player, let them trade old tech amongst themselves.

You also don't want car ownership as the only viable option, creating traffic is another way of reducing freemdom and the benefit of ownership for everyone. Gonna have more fair options, public transport in big city is a start, and don't believe the fear mongering that public transport will outright your ownership of car, it rarely does, unless you are in a super crowded city like Beijing. Oh, and in smaller city and rural area in China, ownership of car ia really common place.

​@@whensonzhou4174 I figured car ownership in China has become more common. Americans are used to having that independence and the only reason to not have it, now, is extreme cost due to price gouging or taxes, which is not a good reason, but this seems to be what he is saying, that people will not be able to afford cars here and will have to get used to it. I will not get used to it. I am one of the people who will have a hard time affording a car if used car prices don't come down and I certainly won't be able to afford an electric one, so it worries me. I'm partial to Hondas, myself.

​@@dianelipartito6654I don't think you will have to get used to renting a used Honda at the edge of town because of the high cost of car ownership at the time soon. There are many discussions from the economic (financial) and political (governmential) perspectives for pros and cons about China and the US, and about ICE cars and EVs, on this and other channels. There is one aspect that is rarely discussed. For the lack of a better word, I call it "culture." Despite the somewhat westernization of the Chinese people with individual wants, they are still a homogeneous people who listen to their government and act as a whole. Americans are just too individualistic, and rebellious, to toe the party line. You wrote: "I will not get used to it." You will not find these words in open Chinese social media. This is one channel with refreshing ideas and discussions. If you go to other typical pros and cons channels, you will read that before the end of 2030, Tesla and BYD will rule the world, and someone else says: "ICE Forever!" Then, there are enough Americans who want both - the true silent majority. Back down to earth, I have a 2015 Honda Coupe with a manual transmission and about 60k miles. I don't drive much. Carfax sends me estimated trade in value periodically. In 2021/22 pandemic times, the value was $12k-15k. I even got calls from the dealerships for me to sell them my car. I was tempted as I don't need to drive. April 2024, the value was $5k-$7k. No calls from the dealerships. I think the free market despite having some stupid constraints has caused the price fluctuations. That's the American way. Do you drive a stick shift?

Welcome to U$ freedom and democracy, where you will own nothing and will be "free" from all possessions, moral, dignity, respect, sovereign self.

​@@choosewisely4722 Very interesting. Thank you for all the thought you put into your reply. I almost always had sticks, but started with automatics. My parents always had automatics so I learned on those and when I was a student I drove their cast offs. Couldn't wait until I could get a manual. I started with a little red Geo hatch, one year old, great deal. Sold it way too soon. The only car I ever bought new was in '95. A little red Civic with the split hatch (No air conditioning to save money, lol--which I could never tolerate today.) Loved that car. Drove it until the body rusted out. Then I had a used '97 Civic, bright yellow, which someone painted. Rusted too, but I was able to sell it to a young guy who wanted to fix the body. After that I found good cars that happened to be automatics--A '95 Toyota Corolla. The only car that rusted so completely I had to bring it to a salvage yard. The engine was still perfect. Then briefly I had a Honda Accord 10th Anniv edition. Came from Cali, so no rust at all and I sold it to an ecstatic young man from NYC who had been looking for an un-rusted one for year. Now I have a 2007 Toyota Camry that was my mom's who no longer drives (back to the parent car, lol.) Not what I would have picked, but it is a good car and fancier than I have ever owned and only had 60,000 mi on at the time. But, it won't last forever. Not sure what I will do after this. I am a musician and sometimes have to drive between states late at night with my instrument and equipment. I also do some housecleaning --also a decent amount of driving with equipment. Don't have a lot of money, especially now, so I have been concerned about how I will manage. Not sure how I feel about EV's. I am not that into all the technology in general and it seems to make repairs a lot more costly. Of course, the world obviously can't handle all the emissions either. I guess I am like the people on the forums you check in with, betwixt and between and worried options may be disappearing.

Welcome to the land of "Charge what the market will bear" economics. Use tariffs when it helps achieve that.

The Chinese have been leading the way in anything electric for a long time. They make good stuff and affordable. Consumers lose here and like you pointed out, so much for the EV transition here.

Isn't that the same for all car manufacturers or only apply to EVs?

Yeah, where's your proof, where I live EVs are totally clean as we only have hydro, solar and wind energy.

Because the oil corporations just like all the mega corporations of A!PAC own the U$ Administration

Compared to fueling a gas car?

Unfortunately they’re pointing their guns to their own heads

Car maker does not get full 20 k ,what about dealer profit margin.