Remember that time the Sedins talked about great Canuck captains without mentioning Messier while he was standing right next to them?

As a Flames fan, I’ve always despised the Canucks, but their fans have a legit beef here.

Canucks fans are justified. Taking the number of a deceased player says a lot! What a lack of class!

Didn't Bertuzzi get an assault charge for doing something Messier did to Gradin????

I'll never understand why the Canucks or anyteam for that matter would sign a player who crushed their hearts by beating in the finals. What next the nucks will sign Brad Marchand at the tale end of his career. Oh man...

Leadership award named after a dirty hockey player whose ego barely fit in MSG. Should have named the award after the great and beloved Jean Beliveau, a true leader who brought his teammates together and who nobody has ever said anything negative about.

One of the NHL's classic goons...he enjoyed injuring other players...despicable...

I remember when Pat Quinn introduced the Messier contract. You could see that Quinn didn’t like what he was forced to do.

One of the dirtiest players in the game.

I live in Vancouver and am a Canucks fan and those were the darkest years of being a Canuck fan and I hope Messier never gets his dream of being an NHL GM for being a human grenade in Vancouver

0:41 Looks like the paramedics also nearly killed Modano 😂 Geez that looked like something off the wwe or something 🤦‍♂️

Totally justified in their hate. Canucks fans need to riot.

This is a quality video. Nice job 👍🏻

Fantastic video.

Messier eating those chips, and shots of him laughing is great propaganda.

Lifetime Oiler fan. Never liked Messier. I knew when i was living in Edmonton how dirty a player he was. People who played against him in Edmonton before he played in the NHL told me he was dirty and would do anything to win. Not a player to look up to

Liking your content. Been searching for ages for a replay of Messier breaking Lars Lindgren's arm in the corner when the Oilers had the game won. I think I'm remembering that correctly.

Great video!

On the other hand... imagine if the Canucks signed Gretzky. John McCaw does not replace Quinn with Keenan - Gretzky's performance almost certainly will raise the team standings, and remove any excuse to get rid of Quinn. Keenan does not arrive to destroy the roster. Arthur Griffiths probably manages to retain his depleted ownership stake in the team, earn a ring. Gretzky motivates the talented, young, and overpaid team to perform. His leadership and work ethic brought the most out of his teammates. Bure and Mogilny may even emerge as 50-in-50 threats. Canucks win first Cup in 1999 - they don't beat a more well-rounded and motivated Wings team in 1997 or 98. One coached by the great Bowmann. They sign Rob Blake in free agency that offseason, and both Bure and Mogilny pick up 50-in-50 seasons. After this, the team could go in any direction - they might trade Bure or Mogilny or try to keep them both. Either way, it's not inconceivable to see Vancouver get a second ring,

Messier was a filthy player. What I learned from this video was that he didn't have any class either. Taking Wayne Maki's number was really low. But the fact that Vancouver let him wear the number is also low-grade. Vancouver doesn't deserve to win the cup for that alone.

He tore the Canucks apart by demanding the captaincy from Trevor Linden, I remember those dark years for hockey in Vancouver where they signed this idiot, changed to these horrible orca jerseys and then traded Bure. Being Canucks fan is a lot like being a Bengals fan a few highs but a lot of lows

I think it was a mistake for Linden to hand over the captaincy like that. It went from a good locker room with Linden to a toxic one with Messier as captain.

never saw that angle... sad, but true.

Rangers fan here. Canucks fans are 💯 justified!

well done

Canucks fan here. Well, actually, former fan. I can't take any more riots and I can't afford $500 seats. Lived in Vancouver most of my life, born and raised here, and just feel like the Canucks are always expected to lose. So I got used to that attitude. When Messier came along, it felt like we were cuckolding to New York after being beaten in '94. It was a weird thing. But I am actually a Mark fan. I always loved the Oilers, especially the Dream Team from the 80s. I found it odd to see him in a Rangers jersey to be honest. But coming to Vancouver after being on the ride his was on in NY, seemed like he married down. We didn't really want him here, but at the same time, it was bizarre to have such a player with us. Vancouver's always been that team where we brought our guys up from their early years and we watched them grow into great players... who would get traded. I will always regard Mark as an Oiler. He might have been a winner and a captain in NY, but it was for mostly pomp. He got used to that, and we saw that when he came to Vancouver. Personally I'd take a losing team with Trevor than any winning team with Mark. I know it sounds weird, but I enjoy the game for the love of the game. If the Cup happens, fine. If not, fine. We fans don't really expect it anymore anyway.

I think it has to do with the fact that Canucks fans have never been happy with anyone.

I understand the anger towards Messier but I would be much angrier with everything the Canucks did back then like signing him in the first place.

Legend!

Very good video - I often wondered why the Canuck fans hated him so much. I assume the deferred payment was the source of the grievance and I guess Messier got it.

His great leadership only eclipsed by his enormous ego. Coming to Vancouver was him playing drama - like seeing your ex-wife married your best buddy (only the buddy was totally being used)...

Steve Yzerman, Joe Sakic and Ray Bourque are all more deserving of having the leadership award named in their honor. Those guys were great leaders with class. Messier definitely lacks that level of class.

Worked with someone from the prairies, he could not believe that Messier has such bad rep in Van. He assumed that Messier is beloved by every fan base.

I have a troll jersey when I go to Canuck games… love wearing it lol. Makes people so mad. 😂

I hated Messier in Vancouver. He’s a stain on the game. His greed is only exceeded by his ego.

Yes Messier was a Messtake (deliberate typo). Irony is, P Quinn brought him in. McCaw (owner) meddled imho

Despite the commercials, by the time he got to Vancouver he wasn't chipping in much. When it came to crunch time he bit it. The whole thing was messy, eh?

I was born in 96, have been through some tough times as a canucks fan,- but man, that era after 95' sounds worse and worse every time I learn more about it. Bure, Linden, Kirk, Gino... if I was a fan back then I probably would of been smashing my head into the wall. Truly, the dark ages of the vancouver canucks. It seems like management has constantly been an issue in Vancouver, with respect to Pat Quinn it seems like he absolutely bent over backwards for messier and it was his own poison (please correct me if I'm wrong)- we've always given guys too long and they destroy anything good we get going. I mean for Christ sake I still don't understand why they fired Gillis and Alain Vignault... just for the sake of "moving on", they were 2 of the best dudes to ever be in Vancouver... and we just replaced them with dudes who wrecked our team inside out. If Patrik Allvin, Tochhet and Jim Rutherford have proved anything so far, it's how crucial management and coaching is- and how it doesn't take 3 or more years to see when guys have it figured out.... regardless of whatever stage your team is at. Jim benning is another prime example of a guy who had WAY too long to prove himself as a GM- and ruined us for years in the process.

Not fall out of love. Canucks fans have always hated him. From the Oilers, to the 94 Cup, to the debacle with Linden/ Keenan/ Messier. Every time I saw him on those stupid Lays commercials, I swore.

Wow, never realized how much Messier did the Canucks dirty. Shame on him!

You should make more videos bro.

This is an excellent video about a player that is hated by every hockey fan I know. However: 6:15 "...started looking elsewhere. The Northwest, to be exact." I'm from Vancouver, and I'm not in the northwest of anything. I'm in the southwest of my province, in the southwest of my country and on the west coast of my continent.

I remember when they got Mogilny, and everyone thought it was amazing. They didn't give up that much. Sure. They gave up Mike Peca and Jay McKee. On a team that played poor defense those guys would have helped. Bure and Mogilny were flashy but?? And I would never have traded Linden, Gelinas and Maclean. It was weird bringing in Mess and Keenan. Keenan moved out half the team.

Great video. Yes, Canucks fans are justified. But I'm a Rangers fan so I love Mess.

Damn I never knew about the Wayne Maki part what the hell Mess

It is astonishing how the Vancouver Canucks team was not great, decent or even mediocre but a complete crash (!) Mark Messier, Pavel Bure, Alexander Mogilny, Trevor Linden, Sean Burke, Arthur Irbe, Jyrki Lumme + rising tallents of Markus Naslund, Mattias Ohlund, Todd Bertuzzi & Geoff Sanderson and a s abonus one of the best NHL fighters in Donald Brashear! All this tallent and still the team was the 3rd worst team in the entire league (?).

Man keep making content making one video is not enough

That team included: Bure Mogilny, Naslund, Messier, Linden, Lumme, McLean and many more. Messier fucked the dressing room straight to the ground.

I never liked Messier. He came to Vancouver for the big money and that is it!! His heart was never into being a Vancouver Canuck!!

fell out? we hated him since 94

Everyone has to contribute but it all starts with the coaching staff.

Yup. He was classless when he got here.

You should make more videos man

Bro when will the Canucks ever win a cup Mark messier is never gonna be a Canuck ever

There's an interview, with Gino odjick and Bure. The guys a talking about Messier asking them to go upstairs and have the coach remove, so that messier can have his buddy Mike Keenan come on board... the rest is history... but Messier a leader ? Never was... to no one who knows the story behind it all....

Good piece, just want to point out that it's pronounced TOOmas, not toMAS.

This move was worse than losing the Trade to Boston.

Justified in their hatred for sure. I hate the Canucks myself and laugh every time I'm reminded of the Messier debacle but it was justified. It was also a microcosm of how the Canucks franchise has always been run. I swear, that team has been cursed since 1970.

I blamed Mark for how we played but upon reflection I realized it was not him. More or less it was Keenans style of play. They were not unlike the team we had. Not meant for big banging. The team was a littls soft and the new coaches strategy had a lot of hitting involved and next thing every one was on IR. We lacked depth also and it reigned in a new era of Canuck hockey. They brought in a lot of good players. It was just to easy to blame Mess. Also they got rid of Captain Canuck.. Also Martin Gelina was player of the year and they got rid of him. I liked Keenan, but you have to have the right players. Or train different. I completely forgot his numbers were fairly good.

A contract is a contract

yup

No other team has played like the oliers

I would liked to see the greatest jumper of all time give it to Mark's ass. Only Dave Brown was good enough to sneak up on him too.

I dislike Messier but I wonder why there's more focus on him than Keenan. Messier was there longer and made more money, so there's that, but Keenan really set the bad tone in the dressing room and team. Messier was probably partly responsible as he was Captain and he didn't say anything. However, after Keenan left, Messier refused to be traded because he felt there was a job that needed to be done. Also, Markus really credits Messier for his leadership and looking after him. Keenan, even though he made some trades that helped, they helped *in spite* of him. There would have been no West Coast Express if Keenan was still coach because he would likely have traded Naslund. Keenan had no redeeming qualities when he was here. After Messier's initial deplorable season where he seemed to let the team sink so he can mold the team in his image (what kind of leadership is that) he at least worked with the new group after Keenan was gone. He even won the Cyclone Taylor award. Still, I think if Messier wants his unpopularity in this city to soften somewhat (and he may not care), I would say he would need to do the following as a start: * All the Canucks who praise him (including Burke and Naslund) should say so again and tell stories to give a more complete image. To be more believable, they should concede there is some legitimate criticism of his time there including his first year. * He should return the $6million he got from the Canucks. Part of that should go to Burke because the previous ownership screwed him even though he saved the franchise and the remaining should go to Canuck place or one of Sedins charities. Maybe even Linden if he has one. * Apologize for not playing better. Even Krutov apologized in 2005. * Re-iterate that he would not have taken the captaincy in hindsight. * Apologize for not standing up for his team, including Linden against Keenan. * Admit that it was a mistake to hire Keenan. He can dress it up however he wants (wrong team, wrong time, etc) but he should realize that the Rangers only got Gretzky because Keenan and Jack Quinn figured out how to push him away from St. Louis. He should've realized then, especially if he had chats with Gretzky, that Keenan was no longer good. * Apologize to the fans for all the general chaos during those years, especially his first year with Keenan.

I was just a kid, about 10 years old, when he was around. I hated him. He was so smug and was not part of the organization or city, like Linden was.

Mark Messier is a stand up guy but what he did in Vancouver was out right wrong and he should be ashamed of himself.

It was Linden. Linden was the heart and soul of the team, and was bullied/pushed out by Keenan/Messier the guys that stole the hearts of the fan base by beating them in the finals. Beat them on the ice, then infiltrate their team and destroy its very soul...and create a 💩 team in the process.

Who cares what the canucks think of Mark he isnt a canuck anyways is a true Oiler hes either a true Ranger. He just played for those stupid teams.

Attempted murder on Mike modano lmao kinda accurate

trevor linden gave up the "C" for this bum who mailed in the 3 seasons he was in vancouver.

I knew there was somthin about that guy💁

London was mean in person when I met him but he deserve more

1:45 🤨 Mess, where are your teeth?

He didn’t behave well there. I’m not sure he could’ve played better, since he was injured a lot and the team was short on talent, but he milked his past accomplishments too much and didn’t provide leadership.

The Flames have a much bigger rivalry with the Oilers than the Canucks.

Black hole for him too

Lol. You refered to them as the canucks cup core. What cup? 😂

Canucks fans have hated Messier since forever. Hated him when he was an Oiler. Hated him more when he was a Ranger. And Hated him most when he was a Canuck. Waste of space and money. The way him and his buddy Keenan treated Trevor Linden and the team in general is appalling. Messier isn't even worthy of washing Lindens uniform or carrying his equipment in these parts.

Wasn't he 38-40 in van...what do you expect?

Same reason someone tossed their jersey onto the ice when the Flames eliminated them in ‘04. Same reason they set the city on fire after losing the finals TWICE. Canucks fans are the worst fanbase in hockey.

Wasn't best finals ever...no way

As an Oilers fan, love wearing my Messier jersey to Rogers Arena hahaha

Wow !! That’s quite a rap sheet you have compiled against Messier. However , judging from all other accounts that I’ve read about him , it certainly seems well deserved. He comes across as a selfish, greedy and disingenuous man who doesn’t live up to the mythology that’s been created for him. It has become a tired act that is equally disappointing.

Messier's career should have ended pre-maturely with severe injury.

Vancouver is not a place for Mark Messier this is jealous because the Rangers beat them in 1994

we are suckers.

Overrated leader who benefitted from the teams he was surrounded by. Also dirty beyond belief - King of the Butt-End. He took his 18m after abandoning a young core that needed a leader. Yzerman and Beliveau set the standard, yet Mr. Potato Chip is the face of leadership? Please.

This tainted Messier's career. Hard time calling this guy "the greatest leader in sports." As they did before this s*** show.

The Canucks had the Sedines and never got to the highest level. Now, they are ripping the Oilers because they have the two best players in the world. Sorry, nuks, your players are not Canadian anyway.

Yes we’re justified!

Sounds weird to me that Messier is said to be responsible for the coach change and Linden trade. He was a player not a GM. Didn’t play that poorly either - being 37 and averaging 50 pts per season is better than you’d expect

the canucks shoudnt of signed mess! it was the biggest waste of money, so far

Booooooooo Messier

oh wow he is genuinely a terrible person what the fuck

Canucks would of won if it wasn't for the shit players they signed

This bald man had no good ideas.

Messiah jersey shouldn't be up in the rafters. It was the worst times for the canucks and he was the main cause of a lot of problems Including the loss of Pavel.

Messier stayed in an interview that he asked the family before he chose to wear number 11 and they said yes. Back then the media was full of false claims. That’s what happened back then.

Let's be real here, Trevor Linden couldn't carry the Canucks anywhere close to the Stanley Cup Finals after 1994. If he had been a better leader than a choke artist leader, there would've been no need to sign Messier to help weed out the country clubhouse core set in their own ways and won't do the Mark Messier/Mike Keenan way.

LETS GO RANGERS!!!!! 1994!!!!!!