Why Characters Got Selected: Super Smash Bros. 64 - the Original All-Stars
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The biggest part of the Super Smash Bros. speculation scene is trying to guess which characters will make the cut. Yet, a lot of people don't seem to understand why their favourite fighters actually made it in, or why they didn't. So in this new series, join NantenJex as he explains why characters get selected for Super Smash Bros, starting with 64.
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Sources:
- The original four fighters: sourcegaming.info/2015/10/11/i...
- Nintendo Dream interview: sourcegaming.info/2016/01/05/...
- Ocarina of Time development: sourcegaming.info/2015/04/29/s...
- Satoru Iwata's involvement: sourcegaming.info/2015/05/01/t...
- Reusing animations: www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/so...
- Luigi planned for Mario 64: iwataasks.nintendo.com/intervi...
- Jigglypuff the joke: sourcegaming.info/2015/10/13/n...
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@RiainRamblez 3 жыл бұрын
I can finally rest now that I know why Mario was included in Super Smash Bros
@darvinator 3 жыл бұрын
Idk tho, he wasn’t THAT relevant at the time. Geno on the other hand...
@jimbolic0809 3 жыл бұрын
I'm still kinda confused. I think I need another analysis of Mario's inclusion.
@blau6832 3 жыл бұрын
@@darvinator nice pfp
@jimbolic0809 3 жыл бұрын
@Calim Allah I never said I was funny. Thanks.
@h3corptempbutevadinganass 3 жыл бұрын
Ikr......
@Savvysnek 3 жыл бұрын
It's cool how even back then Smash saved characters from potential obscurity. I remember growing up thinking of characters like Captain Falcon and Ness being "from Smash Bros", but then later learning about their respective franchise history because of smash.
@ShadowSora8491 3 жыл бұрын
I didn't even know about Kirby, Samus, Capt. Falcon, or Ness, until I played Super Smash Bros. Even though my brother and one of his friends played used to play F-Zero, we only ever saw the racing machines, in game, and never the pilots operating them.
@anthonygerardotorresgonzal6269 Жыл бұрын
I always thought that Ness was from a 64 Lego Game.
@niahoad 3 жыл бұрын
In europe everbody was wondering who Ness is. Earthbound never came out in PAL regions.
@jeremyabbott4537 3 жыл бұрын
me and my friend didn't know who Ness was, so we pretended he was Red from Pokemon lol
@desu2000 3 жыл бұрын
@@jeremyabbott4537 Funny, I thought Kirby was a pokemon before playing a Kirby game xd
@kylemundy8871 3 жыл бұрын
I loved Earthbound, so his inclusion got my hopes up for Earthbound 64....then they cancelled it. But hey, we got Ness
@nahor88 3 жыл бұрын
Same reason Marth and Roy were included in Melee... there had yet to be a Fire Emblem game released outside of Japan. However, Nintendo, Sakurai in particular, has been known to cater to the Japanese audience above anyone else, despite Nintendo being popular worldwide.
@jeremyabbott4537 3 жыл бұрын
@@nahor88 well Sakurai considered removing Marth and Roy, but thankfully he decided against it
@oops3798 3 жыл бұрын
I'm really happy Samus was included, because Smash led to me becoming a Metroid fan, and now Super Metroid is my favorite game of all time.
@Rodanguirus 3 жыл бұрын
Same.
@jimbolic0809 3 жыл бұрын
I'm so happy to hear this. I've been a Metroid fan from the NES era. I'm glad this game introduced you to Metroid!!!
@desu2000 3 жыл бұрын
If it wasn't for smash I wouldn't be as much as a Nintendo fan as I'm today :)
@nancyhuerta5267 3 жыл бұрын
I've never played through an entire Metroid game yet, but Smash did make me wanna play it. However, it made me a huge Kirby and Mother fan!
@Dispencerhere 3 жыл бұрын
Too same
@RogersBase 3 жыл бұрын
Love the concept behind this series and I loved this first video! I had no idea Fox technically got in before Kirby and Link.
@TheBiolizardVII 3 жыл бұрын
I always figured the first two chosen had to be Mario and Link. Love your One Piece reviews btw
@Peaman42 3 жыл бұрын
I thought that Kirby would be the second developed, because he's Sakurai's creation.
@LucarioShirona 3 жыл бұрын
I do believe the reason there may have two reasons to why Kirby was not added in the prototype. The first is pretty loose, but it may have been Sakurai not wanting to add favoritism to his own series like he did two years later with Melee. The other and most likely being that Kirby is actually more complex to program due to the copy ability.
@k-leb4671 3 жыл бұрын
The four most iconic characters in Smash would have to be Mario, Donkey Kong, Link, and Pikachu.
@anthonygerardotorresgonzal6269 3 жыл бұрын
@@k-leb4671 Exactly, and Samus, Yoshi, Kirby and Fox would be Team B
@baileypalmer103 3 жыл бұрын
Sakurai: Basically, I throw darts at a board. KZfaqrs: there has to be a pattern. 🤔
@ceulgai2817 3 жыл бұрын
Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean there's not a reason behind it.
@beatfromjetsetradio8239 3 жыл бұрын
Bold of you to assume that, when Masahiro Sakurai throws darts, they don’t land exactly where he wants them to land.
@ceulgai2817 3 жыл бұрын
@The Krookodile Hunter Yes.
@rogerklotz7737 3 жыл бұрын
Clayton Brown they land in the trash can
@beatfromjetsetradio8239 3 жыл бұрын
Roger Klotz What are you trying to say?
@makotoyuki345 3 жыл бұрын
Y’know I think we should add a “until proven otherwise” at the end of our theories (since SOME people can’t get into their heads that these aren’t set in stone)
@PKwooper8281 3 жыл бұрын
Never thought I could agree with a door
@TheStarBot 3 жыл бұрын
I mean, that would be redundant, cause that what a theory means?
@makotoyuki345 3 жыл бұрын
StarBot but said SOME people throw the word around not knowing the meaning
@Isabeethetransprincess 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Makoto, how that "Great Seal" thing doing for you?
@makotoyuki345 3 жыл бұрын
Isabee 64 watching KZfaq with Erebus is not the best...
@dannypalin9583 3 жыл бұрын
The Original 12 are unique not just because they've traditionally been in every game, but because they're all heroes in their respective continuities. They're Nintendo's answer to the Avengers.
@PabloTheDinamic 3 жыл бұрын
Jigglypuff best hero
@BiolizardBoils 3 жыл бұрын
*THERE WAS AN IDEA,*
@newageBoundhippie 3 жыл бұрын
I mean technically DK was a villain until DKC ( minus DK Jr where he was a prisoner & DK Jr Math where he was...teaching his son math ), and Mario was a villain in DK Jr....but overall yes, they're all heroes. 1/3 of them are from the same universe/franchise too ( Mario, DK, Yoshi & Wario may all have their own individual symbols in Smash but they still fall under the same overall franchise umbrella at the end of the day. So with ultimate, nearly 1/4 of the roster is Mario/DK franchise related...including a lame generic Piranha Plant )
@revengeofbcraig5755 3 жыл бұрын
newageBoundhippie I prefer antagonist. Not antagonist is necessarily a villain, just characters that serve to be advisaries to the protagonist.
@newageBoundhippie 3 жыл бұрын
@@revengeofbcraig5755 good point and distinction. Look at King Dedede, especially after the first Kirby game he's mostly just been either possessed, manipulated or misjudged as opposed to being a villain.
@ditto6533 3 жыл бұрын
So the original 8 were chosen because Sakurai thought that they were the biggest icons that Nintendo had to offer. I'd say he chose the best possible characters. All 8 of them were stars of unique and popular series during the SNES-N64 era.
@paperluigi6132 3 жыл бұрын
Mario: Super Mario Bros., Super Mario World, Super Mario 64 DK: Donkey Kong, Donkey Kong Country, DK64 (was it before or after Smash?) Link: Zelda 1, A Link to the Past, Ocarina of Time Samus: Metroid, Super Metroid Yoshi: Super Mario World, Yoshi's Island, Yoshi's Story Kirby: Kirby's Dream Land, Kirby's Adventure, Kirby Super Star Fox: Star Fox, Star Fox 64 Pikachu: Pokémon Red and Blue Luigi: Mario Bros., Super Mario Bros., Mario Kart 64 Ness: Earthbound (was very successful in Japan) C. Falcon: F-Zero Jigglypuff: Same as Pikachu Yeah, all of these were very successful games, so it's a no-brainer as to why they were included. Plus, Mario is the mascot of Nintendo and Kirby is Sakurai's baby boy.
@ditto6533 3 жыл бұрын
@@paperluigi6132 Agree, though DK64 released after Smash but it is possible it was in development at the time
@gumcraft743 3 жыл бұрын
Ditto I thought dk64 came out like a month before smash. edit: I thought it was november 1998 but it was 1999
@ditto6533 3 жыл бұрын
@@gumcraft743 DK64 came out in November of 1999, while Smash came out in January of 1999.
@StarkMaximum 3 жыл бұрын
@@paperluigi6132 Out of the first eight (because it makes sense that the secret characters could be more obscure), literally the only character I would even THINK of arguing about is Fox. I have no idea how popular Star Fox SNES was (I assume very, considering how long the series has gone now), and I know Star Fox 64 is one of the best games out there, but he's really not the first place my mind goes when I think of Nintendo all-stars. But that may be personal bias because I'm not a terribly huge Star Fox guy. Even if I were to argue his inclusion, I don't think I could even guess at who would replace him that stands on the same level as Mario, Link, Samus, and Pikachu.
@StarkMaximum 3 жыл бұрын
What I always found interesting about Smash 64 is that only two franchises get two characters to represent it: Mario and Pokemon, arguably the two most popular and most well-selling Nintendo franchises. Zelda is a serious contender and frequently comes up second on people's lists of most iconic Nintendo franchises, but I think the sheer ferocity with which Pokemon took over the world with a single game really marked its place in gaming history as something special. Every other character comes from an entirely unique series which makes the roster, well, incredibly unique.
@rogerklotz7737 3 жыл бұрын
It’s not just a single game, it’s a whole franchise that came along with it.
@k-leb4671 3 жыл бұрын
The thing is that Pokemon isn't wholly owned by Nintendo, which may be why people still often put the Legend of Zelda above Pokemon.
@bluekel615 2 жыл бұрын
I was bout to say yoshi is considered as from a different franchise but then i looked at my pause screen to see a dead serious luigi face, i am so mad at myself for angering lord luigi
@WAEVOICE 3 жыл бұрын
That explains the reason the instruction-booklet lists those four characters first.
@GuardianArk15 3 жыл бұрын
I remember being one of the few kids in my neighborhood that knew who falcon was when 64 came out. Different times.
@Rodanguirus 3 жыл бұрын
I had no idea and was convinced that my one friend who knew was confusing him with Falco from Star Fox. The shame haunts me to this day...
@vulcans2658 3 жыл бұрын
I played the fuck out of Fzero snes and it still took me a minute to put it together
@justinward3218 Жыл бұрын
I remember seeing Captain Falcon and Ness and thinking “who the heck are they???” Of course, I would have never played F Zero or Earthbound if they weren’t in smash, and melee introduced me to the Fire Emblem franchise which I grew to love!
@fledermausmann27 3 жыл бұрын
I agree it has always been a mix of of those 5 points you mentioned: Iconicness, popularity, moveset viability, ease of implementation, and relevance. However, I feel like most Smash fans put more stock into iconicness, popularity and relevance and forget that Sakurai has always added in some characters largely because of moveset viability and/or ease of implementation alone. Samus may have made it in more because of that than relevance, because she is humanoid and would have essentially borrowed the same frame that Captain Falcon did. There is, however, one more point that can get a character into Smash that you did not list: Bias/favor. This helped Ness, Lucas, Snake, likely Joker, and probably others.
@PabloTheDinamic 3 жыл бұрын
Piranha Plant was biased too since he wanted to do something out of the box
@fledermausmann27 3 жыл бұрын
@@PabloTheDinamic Good point that was all his idea, just to add a 'non-hero' character
@martymcfly1312 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah he mentioned this during the Terry Bogard presentation.
@bertinernie31 3 жыл бұрын
i remember reading somewhere that samus was the first developed character for the game
@martymcfly1312 3 жыл бұрын
Bertin Ernie kinda weird that they’d develop Samus before Mario
@TheDavidVAs 3 жыл бұрын
A name for this new series: "Choose Your Fighters!"
@edwardhilares585 3 жыл бұрын
As a kid I thought that Ness was kind of a cursed character because of his name and that I didn't know who he was at that time.
@aaronjames3228 3 жыл бұрын
Ness is an actual word.
@Lupo32 3 жыл бұрын
Ness a play on NES Much like his predecessor Ninten Taken from Nintendo
@DianaGohan 3 жыл бұрын
I have to admit in my headcanon I considered the original 4 to be Mario, Link, Kirby and Pikachu considering how they are always the first announced (especially as seen in the original Brawl teaser) and by far the biggest franchises of Nintendo (well Super Mario, Legend of Zelda and Pokemon are. But as Kirby is Sakurai's creation he gets that special nod) and had that icon status. Or heck with how ultimate went with numbering all of them I at least thought the first four were Mario, Donkey Kong, Link and Samus. But interesting it was Mario, Donkey Kong Samus and Fox due to them being the easiest to program and shape in the beta. I think Samus was also chosen as one of the first due to realizing they needed at least one female fighter. I admit when I first played Smash brothers back in 99 I didn't know anything about Metriod or Legend of Zelda so had no idea that Samus was a woman or that Link... wasn't Zelda. So shows how stupid I was at the time but still really cool list can't wait to find out more about the cut characters and then the choices for Melee and beyond.
@shadowpersonoftheunknown6245 3 жыл бұрын
This game was the first time that I found out that Link was your character's real name
@frozen_applejuice Жыл бұрын
Me looking at the video timeline: "Ah yes, my favorite galactic bounty hunter, Samuel"
@Mario1080p 3 жыл бұрын
Really liking this new source gaming series so far. Looking forward to the later smash games, maybe even tackling Playstation All-Star's roster some day.
@gabcard2767 3 жыл бұрын
This is a really great concept for a series. Maybe learning more about how Sakurai chooses characters over the course of the series will make the speculation community less toxic.
@milestone380 3 жыл бұрын
Gabcard unfortunately it won’t. As long as new Smash games are made, you’re always going to have those annoying idiots who religiously think that characters like Geno, Master Chief, Waluigi and Goku will be in the game despite all evidence to the contrary
@cashnelson2306 3 жыл бұрын
@@milestone380 one of those things is really not like the others lol
@KamyAnai03 3 жыл бұрын
Agree
@42carlos 3 жыл бұрын
@@cashnelson2306 yeah. one of them has never appeared on a nintendo console :)
@IcyDiamond 3 жыл бұрын
milestone380 Waluigi has a chance
@corporalkills 3 жыл бұрын
I actually learned about most Nintendo properties from original smash. I had never heard of Samus or Link until then. To this day, smash gets me to try all sorts of Nintendo franchises.
@mariohotelbestgame1050 3 жыл бұрын
I'd love it if this was a series like why they got selected for melee,brawl,etc
@Indy-the-soup 3 жыл бұрын
The 6th deciding feature if fire emblem
@samgagani1707 3 жыл бұрын
This is a great idea! 😁👍
@wubbers662 Жыл бұрын
Lucky you
@thatchillasian8924 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine if they didn’t use Nintendo characters.
@SpinyPuffs 3 жыл бұрын
It would probably been forgotten.
@The_Gabe 3 жыл бұрын
Goku
@Rose-zo1oo 3 жыл бұрын
Sonic characters.
@defaultuser9925 3 жыл бұрын
Cyklis If people put their attention towards Xenoverse or Dragonball Heroes protagonists, you’d get a Goku type character.
@jjrambles683 3 жыл бұрын
@@goodassjob7714 I thought that was melee? But I could be wrong
@mrmookase93 3 жыл бұрын
I remember having unlocked all the characters except Luigi, and since you can see the shadow of the character before you unlock them it was pretty obvious. But I thought it was going to be Metal Mario for some reason, I actually still really want Metal Mario as his own character in smash
@gtapoops 3 жыл бұрын
Play Smash Remix, he's in as fully playable character on his own
@thatoneweirdguy4372 3 жыл бұрын
Fun Fact: There will always be at least 1 character in every smash game.
@4skinhunter 3 жыл бұрын
No way bro, I don't believe it without a source
@ruffswami7853 3 жыл бұрын
Wait really? The more you know
@amusicboy9888 3 жыл бұрын
Where is your source?
@brenq3852 3 жыл бұрын
This is proof I learn more on KZfaq then in school
@christophergribben5210 3 жыл бұрын
No way, I thought the next smash game wouldn't have any characters
@extremmefan7305 3 жыл бұрын
"editorial control"? For Pikachu? That's hard to imagine today, but considering Game Freak was a contractor from the very beginning it's not impossible since this was both series's debuts at the time.
@loganielsomething7218 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly it's not that hard to imagine today. I believe Sakurai has said that The Pokemon Company imposes a lot of restrictions on the Smash Bros series.
@extremmefan7305 3 жыл бұрын
@@loganielsomething7218 While that's true, I meant "hard to imagine today" because it's Pikachu specifically, who is their mascot that they'd put at every corner nowadays. Hence why I also said it makes sense back in the context of Smash 64 because it was nowhere near as big as the time (so there was no reason to push it as hard back then).
@loganielsomething7218 3 жыл бұрын
@@extremmefan7305 Well in the video it seems like Pikachu was always intended to be in the game, they just left him out of the prototype because they didn't want to do anything to the character until they could talk to Game Freak/The Pokemon Company about it. I don't think they're trying to say there were concerns about Pikachu's exclusion altogether.
@extremmefan7305 3 жыл бұрын
@Starscream91 It was moreso due to not wanting to do something with it without approval from the creators so he wasn't put in the prototype. It's not workload nor is it popularity.
@psychic_digit 3 жыл бұрын
If Porky Minch can get into smash bro’s, I will forget every existing complaint about smash bro’s that I have.
@Antonio-is2cn 2 жыл бұрын
What is it?
@nick-playercharacter8583 3 жыл бұрын
A major part of character selection that you missed out on is developing a balanced meta through archetypes. The most common archetypes for fighting game characters are balance, power, speed, and range. This can be seen pretty prominently in Smash 64 and the selection of characters. Mario is balance, Donkey Kong is power, Fox is speed, and Samus is range. The rest of the roster sticks pretty close to this formula. There are three characters for each archetype with the exception of power as Jigglypuff is a special case that doesn't fall within any of the major archetypes.
@denimchicken104 3 жыл бұрын
Great observation!
@magicjohnson3121 3 жыл бұрын
Jiggly probably falls under joke character like Dan
@Ah-dz5rf 3 жыл бұрын
@@magicjohnson3121 joke characters still have archetypes. Dan is kinda balance (specially on SV4), panda and Kuma from Tekken are power etc.
@Compucles 3 жыл бұрын
Captain Falcon is also a weird case, as he has a mix of slow, powerful attacks and fast, relatively weaker attacks. Also, Yoshi and Ness may better fit under a technical character archetype (alongside Jigglypuff) rather than being purely ranged characters like Samus is.
@darkscorpion-donzaloog 3 жыл бұрын
@@magicjohnson3121 Except Jigglypuff was actually decent in SSB64 and great in SSBM. She ain't no joke character if you dig deeper into Smash's history.
@evancoffland19 3 жыл бұрын
I never really played a super smash brothers game until the WiiU. So Mario, Luigi, Donkey Kong, Link, Samus, Captain Falcon, Ness, Yoshi, Kirby, Fox McCloud, Pikachu, and Jigglypuff were the OGs of Super Smash Bros huh?
@aaronjames3228 3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@GaminGlaceon3707 3 жыл бұрын
Just one more reason I think Puff got put in, was because there was supposed to be another game that released around Pokémon Yellow, called Pokémon Pink, and would star Jigglypuff instead of Pikachu, but the game got canceled...
@littleman7514 3 жыл бұрын
I thought Clefairy would have been the star.
@T-Dawg75 2 жыл бұрын
That would make sense
@tucker12435 3 жыл бұрын
I had no idea who Samus was. And I was shocked to find out she was a girl.
@HankJWimbleton.. 3 жыл бұрын
I still don't think mario was a good choice, hes not even that iconic.
@potato7348 3 жыл бұрын
Lol these jokes😂 but in all Serious Mario is pretty lit
@SeekTheCode117 3 жыл бұрын
He’s certainly no Knack
@IcyDiamond 3 жыл бұрын
Missingno should’ve gotten in before him
@ShiningTaiga 3 жыл бұрын
The Silent Cartographer BAAAAAAAYYYYYBEEEEEEEE
@eveliososa5154 3 жыл бұрын
Yea I know right todorokis boyfriend
@Ah-dz5rf 3 жыл бұрын
12:25 I believe that Sakurai may have Shingo, from KOF, in mind when making Jigglypuff. Not only because Sakurai is a big SNK fan but also, he was first introduced only two years before Smash, and he is basically a copy of Kyo (KOFs main character) but without fire powers thus he has the same basic attacks but different special moves, just like Jigglypuff and Kirby
@starpetalarts6668 3 жыл бұрын
I cannot wait until Mother 3 gets localized.
@stflyer6725 3 жыл бұрын
BRAH
@BlueFlareLegend 3 жыл бұрын
I'm still hoping for that day when Nintendo releases all Mother / Earthbound games on the Switch
@loganielsomething7218 3 жыл бұрын
"Sir you've been in a coma for 13 years" "Damn. Well, at least I can play Mother 3, because Nintendo has surely localized it by now, right?"
@baileypalmer103 3 жыл бұрын
At this point, just play a fan translation. That's what I did.
@dayalasingh5853 3 жыл бұрын
Rip
@jasonlee462 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, looking forward to future entries in this series
@adamrice4790 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! It's great to see research like this, so I'll be looking forward to future episodes.
@Insertagereviewer 3 жыл бұрын
So did Sakurai already intend on adding the other 4 starters before production of the prototype?
@realar 3 жыл бұрын
I've also noticed that Smash adds characters with unique roles and abilities. For example, before Joker we never had a high schooler before. Min Min is a restaurant owner, Banjo and Kazooie are essentially hillbillies, Terry is a LITERAL street fighter, Byleth is a teacher, and so on and so on. Basically, a character has a bigger chance to get added if they add a new role to the roster of fighters, if they were seen on a Nintendo console before inclusion, and if they have a new kind of game to add to the mix. Bonus points if they have crossed paths with other Smash characters in other forms of media, as well as relevance to the whole of Nintendo's rich history.
@gavinzarraga2767 3 жыл бұрын
Well Freddy Fazbear is a Mascot for a pizzareia, and all his games are now on the switch, not a lot of people will agree with me but he could be added to smash. It just seems very unlikely
@davosmando 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, looking forward to the next of the series.
@chevy_joy 3 жыл бұрын
What’s wrong with long videos? I would love this sort of videos were longer tbh
@pengoschwortz4734 3 жыл бұрын
Because they can make more videos which technically means more ads
@napoleonborn2party401 3 жыл бұрын
They maybe take long to make
@bensjammin9 3 жыл бұрын
I can’t believe Link wasn’t in the original 4-character prototype.
@chrisbeach423 3 жыл бұрын
I can tell this is going to be a great 4 or 5 part series!!! Great work and im definitely excited!!!!!!
@TheAccursedHunter01 3 жыл бұрын
Even if it was by chance, it's crazy to think that Samus was put into Smash Bros before Kirby and Pikachu.
@ICgay4 3 жыл бұрын
It is very interesting, like I always felt it was right and never questioned why the first 10 or 25 for Melee were chosen. Will say that I was so flabbergasted when I unlocked Marth and Roy in Melee. Whoa who are these cool tiara wearing swordsmen, I love em. Roy is definitely my boy. Shout out to Mr. Game and Watch fans too.
@MATABEI 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! I find this early Smash Bros development stuff fascinating! Can't wait to see the upcoming cut characters vid 👍👍👍
@tomcurl8034 3 жыл бұрын
For much of the early seasons of the Pokémon anime jigglypuff was a major reoccurring character Whose main gimmick was that she wanted to sing for others but her singing would put people to sleep which would anger her and then she’d graffiti their faces
@BigGnome 3 жыл бұрын
Always love seeing vids surrounding Smash's development. Looking forward to the rest of the series
@bondwiththebroccoli1291 Жыл бұрын
I’ve been looking for a series like this.
@spudsbuchlaw 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Sakurai for including my son, Ness in 64
@liamokeefe937 3 жыл бұрын
This was great can’t wait for the next video.
@5688gamble 3 жыл бұрын
Jigglypuff had a fun gameplay mechanic? I just remember infuriating all my friends by picking Pikachu, now that was fun, really his ability to kill at low percentages with thunder and to survive at high percentages with his insane recovery is just so OP, even before I learned more about some of the subtleties of his combo game and more technical aspects of play in general.
@kaplisisdx8651 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video! It reminds me of the " History behind super smash bros. melee" series that was created back in the first years of youtube. It felt really important for me learning about the origin of all the characters... The character roster in 64 is small but varied. Almost every franchise represented was relevant at the time, and even if metroid and earthbound didn't make it to the system, the snes was still alive in japan, so it still made sense to include them. I also love the 2,5 D look of the character artworks, with simple but vibrant colors
@mawzao 3 жыл бұрын
This video was very fun, I hope you do more characters
@raphaelmarquez9650 3 жыл бұрын
If not Yoshi, then Sakurai would've chosen another IP that had more than one title in its belt like Marth from Fire Emblem or Lip from Panel de Pon (both by Intelligent Systems, funnily enough).
@newageBoundhippie 3 жыл бұрын
actually Marth really was considered for Smash 64, along with Bowser, Peach, King Dedede, Wario and Mewtwo.
@raphaelmarquez9650 3 жыл бұрын
@@newageBoundhippie I'm aware about Marth, Bowser, Mewtwo, and Dedede, but the Peach and Wario consideration were just a myth. Wario was, however, considered for Melee.
@danieldiehl6063 3 жыл бұрын
amazing video! love this kind of smash content
@alonsogoth89 3 жыл бұрын
I only knew the Mario and Pokémon characters, I don't know who the others were.
@ajr01-x6e 3 жыл бұрын
I think I knew about Link thanks to Ocarina of Time, but I'm not sure. Cuz I also played Star Fox 64 and F-Zero X, but that was because Smash made me interested in those games.
@brock8061 3 жыл бұрын
My first smash game was brawl and I had no idea who half of the characters where. Like snake and captain falcon, I thought captain falcon was in the same games as fox and falco because of his name.
@texanman7191 3 жыл бұрын
Same. I can see why Mario and Pikachu were in front of the cover art of this game. Funny though because Nintendo was close of not releasing this game outside of Japan. They thought this game wouldn't sell well because the characters aren't well known except Mario and Pikachu.
@SniffishBowl 3 жыл бұрын
I knew about mario pokemon zelda and kirby only
@IcyDiamond 3 жыл бұрын
Smash 4 was my first one and I didn’t know who half of those characters were
@martymcfly1312 3 жыл бұрын
I could be wrong but didn’t Shigesato Itoi work on the original Smash Bros. That might have helped Ness get in.
@retrojoe8596 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! Love to see one for Melee!
@Jamester445 3 жыл бұрын
If theres a trend I noticed is that each Smash game looks at the previous roster for a lot of its inclusions 64- Took a lot of characters and iconography from SNES era games and some N64 titles. Melee- took a lot of characters and iconography from mostly N64 games. Brawl- mostly Gamecube era iconography Wii U- Mostly Wii era games Ultimate bucks the trend with only Splatoon as the only Wii U era game to see playable representation. But that's probably because it's a compilation of the series.
@Nintendrone42 3 жыл бұрын
The reason for that is pretty simple: Smash games have consistently entered development at the start of or even before a console generation, and the vast majority of the roster is decided right then and there. Sakurai often has access to info about games in development, but there's a level of risk in utilizing elements from developing games since things can and do change.
@fledermausmann27 3 жыл бұрын
@@Dairunt1 Well and also, starting with the 3DS/Wii U era Nintendo could do DLC so that's why we got characters like Corrin or now Byleth, Joker, Min Min from the same generation
@bluberrydee6205 3 жыл бұрын
@@Dairunt1 there were more specifically from brawl (Jigglypuff, Toon Link and Wolf)
@ditto6533 3 жыл бұрын
@@bluberrydee6205 Those three were actually planned from the start, but they were deemed "low priority" characters. So if development did not allow it, they would be cut. They were supposed to be cut, but Brawl's delay allowed for them to happen, which is why they are the final characters to be unlocked and why they aren't in Subspace
@insertusernamehere51 3 жыл бұрын
Not only has every franchise in this game had at least two games up to that point, with the exception of Pokemon, all of these characters had a starring role on the SNES, and Smash often has a lot of representation of games from the previous gen (64 games having stages in Melee, Gamecube games having stages in Brawl, Wii games having stages on WiiU)
@NantenJex 3 жыл бұрын
@TheDragonDAFan Only if you count Green, Red, Blue and Yellow as seperate games. Pokemon spin-offs didn't start showing up until the year Super Smash Bros. came out.
@Pownchao 3 жыл бұрын
It's nice that Yoshi is considered to be from his own series, but that just makes me want another Yoshi rep.
@fledermausmann27 3 жыл бұрын
Who would you pick for another Yoshi rep?
@Pownchao 3 жыл бұрын
@@fledermausmann27 Shy Guy has a lot of potential for a moveset, with all the variety of Shy Guys there are in the games. Shy Guy's alternate colors also parallel Yoshi's.
@fledermausmann27 3 жыл бұрын
@@Pownchao I could see that.
@Pownchao 3 жыл бұрын
@@fledermausmann27 basically, my reasoning is that he's the Piranha Plant of Yoshi games, and Piranha Plant got in, so...
@dreamlanderjoel8162 3 жыл бұрын
@@Pownchao I'd personally like to see Kamek & Baby Bowser as a second Yoshi rep, a two-in-one fighter that combines the abilities of both Yoshi villains in one moveset. They're Final Smash would involve Kamek using his magic to turn Baby Bowser into his terrifying giant form. I've seen people suggest Kamek before but I feel like he wouldn't be a Yoshi rep since he's pretty prominent in the Mario series too. Then I came up with the idea of having him fight alongside Baby Bowser which not only justifies him being a Yoshi rep but also allows him to use more than just Magikoopa magic.
@kewl0210 3 жыл бұрын
Can't believe they left out the iconic character Geno in Smash 64. Ok next game for sure.
@fledermausmann27 3 жыл бұрын
After finally playing Super Mario RPG, Geno was okay. The game itself is okay but doesn't hold up as well as other games released before or since. I mean Peach was arguably a much more valuable party member since she could heal, and they did reference the game in Melee with the way she can use the frying pan. So there you go. SMRPG representation.
@thatgirlinamask8699 3 жыл бұрын
@fledermausmann >:(
@sbp1763 3 жыл бұрын
They forgot Waluigi for brawl
@shellyvision9693 3 жыл бұрын
Can't believe they left out the iconic character Geno in Melee. Ok next game for sure.
@fledermausmann27 3 жыл бұрын
@@sbp1763 If Waluigi becomes playable, he should be a clone of Captain Falcon. Think about it.
@chrisbeach423 3 жыл бұрын
Out of all characters i cant believe Bowser wasn’t in the original! You would think he would definitely be one of the first 12. Take out puff and put Bowser then i think it would have been a perfect 12. I know puff was put in for the Kirby Similarities and easy to put in... bur still no Bowser?!? Crazy
@cryptozion7703 3 жыл бұрын
Ok but now there is a hack rom of Smash 64 it called "Smash Remix" there is bowser as a playable character and even falco and many more playable characters
@k-leb4671 3 жыл бұрын
That would cause a lot of Super Mario bias in the original roster though.
@bredrick. 2 жыл бұрын
yeah, if you include yoshi and donkey kong as mario characters, then almost half of the roster would be Mario characters
@superleviathan 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. 9:17: In addition to being super-popular, Pokemon is another franchise with Iwata's fingerprints all over it. He personally spearheaded the localization of Red and Green so it could be released outside of japan, and ported the battle code to Pokemon Stadium. The development of Smash 64 would have coincided with Iwata helping Game Freak compress Gold and Silver so it could fit on a cart. It's very likely all this helped clinch Pikachu, and gave HAL leverage to sort out any legal or editorial issues.
@magicjohnson3121 3 жыл бұрын
The reason It took Sakurai so long to make Kirby Super Star was because he saw the graphics of Donkey Kong Country and remade Kirby with that graphical style part way during development. So he was very aware of DKC.
@aaronjames3228 3 жыл бұрын
They're different tho
@kirbyhero256 3 жыл бұрын
Until hearing Sakurai's reasoning, I would have guessed the 4 prototype fighters would have been Mario, Link, Kirby, and Pikachu, due to series popularity and relevance to Sakurai/HAL. Also, I recall the Fighting Polygon Team member for Ness looks nearly identical to Mario's, which lends credence to the idea of them having shared model data.
@dwitefry4157 3 жыл бұрын
Well this was fascinating! awesome. I will just nitpick and say that they didn't have to have necessarily implamented the original six characters to choose the unlockables, just decided on them. It doesn't change the order, just slightly alters the timeframe so nothing important, but that's what nitpicks are for :)
@yellowgamers5996 3 жыл бұрын
14:22 It failed to keep Earthbound series relevant since Earthbound will never get another game in the series, Ness and Lucas are now smash fighters than an earthbound representative, and Smash is a retirement home for them
@BigBlueandWhite 3 жыл бұрын
So glad Captain Falcon was included otherwise I wouldn't never be interested in F-Zero games.
@rowanprogamer9023 Жыл бұрын
That’s very cool how the OG (Original Super Smash Bros 64) it was very good to start the Main 8 Nintendo All-Stars Fighters In Super Smash Bros. 64 & But my favorite Nintendo Fighters/ characters are like: Mario, Donkey Kong, Link (Breath Of The Wild/Hero Tunic of the Wild Alternative Costume), Kirby, Samus & Fox that’s awesome 😎 how they have these iconic characters In the Nintendo fighting game All-Star Battle since 1999 for Super Smash Bros.™️ 64 but they did an Excellent job with the beginning especially with the 4 Unlockable Characters those were: Luigi, Ness, Captain Falcon & Luigi total of 12 Characters it’s Reunited all the Classic characters.
@SueZQue83 3 жыл бұрын
When I heard “Luigi is the definition of player-2” my day was made
@_SereneMango 3 жыл бұрын
Luigi's Mansion wasn't released yet after all.
@cgnfake6721 3 жыл бұрын
Wow. I'm happy you guys channel is finally growing! I subbed before you guys hit 1k
@teamspirits732 3 жыл бұрын
This is basically Nintendo's version of KOF, only difference is that KOF does had original characters unique to the series on top of the crossover characters whereas Smash Bros. only featured crossover characters only and no Smash Bros. only main characters.
@Compucles 3 жыл бұрын
Not among the playable characters (save for a glitch in "Melee"), but there are several original characters among the non-playable bosses.
@jimbolic0809 3 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for the next video!
@Parker-- 3 жыл бұрын
Hey! It's a youtuber that actually realizes that "Bros." is an abbreviation for "Brothers" and doesn't call it Smash "Bros" or Super Mario "Bros" instead of brothers. Upvote for getting the name right alone. Great vid.
@Parker-- 3 жыл бұрын
@Starscream91 Not half of the Nintendo youtubers. Seemingly half of them unironically and ignorantly call it Super Mario Bros, not Super Mari Brothers and no, that's not acceptable replacement to cut the name from 7 syllables to 6 by making it ultra douchey.
@nessleepk 3 жыл бұрын
Ness mat not have had international popularity but the series was massively popular in Japan. To this day they still use the soundtrack as sheet music in kids music classes, that was also a factor when making the Mother 3 soundtrack. And at the time of Smash 64 Earthbound was at it's height of local popularity
@YoMamaBih Жыл бұрын
It's kind of amazing to think out of this cast of iconic characters, even for the time, Pikachu could be considered the hotshot, new character to Nintendo's arsenal.
@kylewoodowens4488 3 жыл бұрын
Its obvious because these series protagonists were the most popular in Nintendos possession at the time. This was during the time of the N64. The most popular games on Nintendos console at the time were Super Mario 64, Starfox 64, Donkey Kong 64, Pokemon Stadium, Legend of Zelda Ocarina of time and Mario Kart. Basically all of most well known characters and most popular games at that time which were first party exclusives.
@Sly88Frye 3 жыл бұрын
I am one of few people in the US who actually had Earthbound on SNES. Well it was my older brother's game, but still had it back then.
@whatuh991 3 жыл бұрын
This is the reason why link in smash 64 doesnt have the details that he does in Ocarina of time. Like him left arm having much more detail. I feel like smash 64's link is a combination of Young link and Adult Link form Ocarina of Time.
@wchan39 3 жыл бұрын
My headcanon is that during the 7 years period Link was sealed away in Ocarina of Time, he was sent to Smash Bros for 'training'.
@venomknight7031 3 жыл бұрын
I have a question Are guns really ok in smash bros?
@hondacivic3740 3 жыл бұрын
Yep! joker and bayonetta each use guns in their moveset in an integral way, and snake has a cosmetic one on his leg, hope this helps! :)
@Jamester445 3 жыл бұрын
They might not have been some time ago. But I think because of how times have changed, most kids play shooters and even Fortnite can use realistic firearms without jacking up its age rating. We have seen characters like Bayonetta and Joker who use more realistic firearms. Compared to laser blasters of old.
@aliceisntleaving 3 жыл бұрын
Captain Falcon had a real gun on his hip in smash 64
@venomknight7031 3 жыл бұрын
@@aliceisntleaving but he doesn't use it
@thelavaslug5465 3 жыл бұрын
@@venomknight7031 What about Fox?
@BlueFlareLegend 3 жыл бұрын
It’s a shame that most people only recognize Ness and Lucas from Smash Bros and not from one of the best JRPGs of all time. Also would love to see Pokey/Porky in Smash Ultimate
@fledermausmann27 3 жыл бұрын
What game was Lucas from again? Did you purchase that from Nintendo?
@BlueFlareLegend 3 жыл бұрын
@@fledermausmann27 I did purchase Earthbound on the Wii U Virtual Console. Lucas is from Mother 3
@fledermausmann27 3 жыл бұрын
@@BlueFlareLegend Mother 3....haven't seen that one. Did you purchase that from Nintendo?
@BlueFlareLegend 3 жыл бұрын
fledermausmann Unfortunately Nintendo hasn’t released Mother 3 outside of Japan, however there is a fan translation available online
@fledermausmann27 3 жыл бұрын
@@BlueFlareLegend Oh I see. So you played the game through illegal means. I guess it's ok if everyone else in the gaming community does it though.
@rowanprogamer9023 Жыл бұрын
Awesome 😎 review video! Source Gaming Crew member - Joshua ‘NantenJex
@Bluedino152 3 жыл бұрын
While it's likely a placeholder model, there is a ness model, or at least ness look alike in a few earthbound 64 videos (off the top of my head there's a brief shot of him walking in a forest, and driving in the desert) Also question: In future videos will any veterans who were shaky and/or did get cut (if they aren't covered by the video of ones who didn't make it for any reason) be included in these? E.G. suppossedly Ness was at risk of being replaced by Lucas in Melee, or Jigglypuff seemingly only got in Brawl due to the delay.
@porygonlover322 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like Star Fox was pretty big in the N64 era? But maybe that was just the people I was talking to and sites I was following when I was like 8. Also thank you for clarifying "relevance" rather than "promotion" - I feel like a lot of people get that confused so you get these bizarre takes about how we're definitely getting a Bravely Default character or something just because the series is getting a game soon.
@dvader518 3 жыл бұрын
What about the reason behind the creation of Master Hand (and why he looks a bit different in 64 than in the rest of the series)?
@rogerklotz7737 3 жыл бұрын
He’s the creator of that universe but there is a lack of official informations about it. He appears in the intro and in the final stage
@dvader518 3 жыл бұрын
Roger Klotz In 64, he’s clearly just a large version of Mario’s glove but in the sequels, he doesn’t have the cuff.
@robofistsrevenge3288 3 жыл бұрын
Oh yes, I LIVE for this stuff!
@JL-zw7hi 3 жыл бұрын
Great vid bro
@mariajimenafigueroa233 Жыл бұрын
The Original 12 Nintendo All-Stars! Mario: The mascot of Nintendo Donkey Kong: The dong Link: The warrior of Hyrule Samus: The bounty hunter Yoshi: the dinosaur Kirby: The boy Fox: The leader of Star Fox Pikachu: The thunder pokemon Luigi: The green heroe Ness: The kid with PSI Captain Falcon: The F-Zero racer Jigglypuff: The balloon pokemon
@QJD1381 3 жыл бұрын
3:21 Link should hand over that Fighter #. The number 3 belongs to Star Fox.
@supersoursauce1285 3 жыл бұрын
I have a reason why some of them DIDNT get in...... They didn’t exist
@DefenestrateYourself 3 жыл бұрын
No excuses
@nintendope8837 3 жыл бұрын
No it's really not hard to forget it started with 12
@theotherjared9824 3 жыл бұрын
A critique about your samus point, metroid was not a "popular" series at the time. All 3 games released at that point bombed in Japan. They did much better in the rest of the world, but that evened out to the franchise as a whole only doing just okay. Sakurai has even admitted in interviews that fans in Japan first heard of metroid through smash. Alongside having a simple to make moveset, sakurai thought metroid would get a popularity boost by being in smash. He was right, as the series popularity peeked immediately after during the gba/GameCube era.
@DigiDragon001 3 жыл бұрын
Hopefully this will not be the case for Rayman (if he ever gets in Smash)!
@markymark443 3 жыл бұрын
12:45 I love this remix of the Big Blue theme
@austinkaukl8580 3 жыл бұрын
How many of these characters (ness, fox, falcon, etc.) are more well known from smash than their original games?
@lll.24601 3 жыл бұрын
Especially the Fire Emblem guys
@T-Dawg75 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate Ness’s inclusion. Here we have a character from a game that only sold 140,000 copies in the west, which was terrible, about 0.5 million sales in Japan, (I think, correct me if I’m wrong) but the few people who actually knew who ness was in America certainly grew a larger appreciation of smash at the time. If you have ever heard of StevenPlays, he did play Earthbound when it first released, one of the few, and it became his favorite game. He had no idea Ness was in smash, the original 8 where the only ones in the marketing, so when he finally discovered Ness, he was overcome by tears of joy. Lovely.
@flip726 3 жыл бұрын
Ness is the most interesting because very few people played earthbound/mother at the time outside of Japan
@jonn_mace_80_95_ 3 жыл бұрын
A super smashing video!
@BelieveIt1051 3 жыл бұрын
I think a bigger factor was using characters Nintendo had the rights to, or could be granted the rights to for this game. Thus no Mega Man, owned by Capcom. No Belmont, owned by Konami. No Hayabusa, owned by Tecmo.
@Scorchlette 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad that Samus was in the prototype, despite always being on Nintendo's C-Team.
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