The funny thing is China is actually just doing it's own thing and the US gets all hyped up for a race.

US land on the moon: exploration. China land on the moon: expansion LOL

Winning is not the goal of China. China, in the past 20 year, kept his own pace and dedication. It is a continuous devotion in space.

China: here's our plan for the next 5, 10 and 20 years. US: I smell a race!

Because China submitted many applications in the 20th century to join the International Space Station for international space station cooperation, but after being rejected many times, China prepared to build its own space station. It’s not that China wants to work alone, but that previous applications have been rejected and it’s forced.

As a Chinese living in China, i think the biggest advantage we have, is that our government can actually planned out what they gonna do next 10 or 20 yrs, And the thing they say they gonna do, exactly 10 yrs from now, the will done it.

I think space exploration is less like a race and more like a seasonal championship sport. Russia was the champion for a while, then the US, and eventually China may have its time at the top. Really we're all the same terrestrial species, and the whole species wins when somebody crosses a new milestone.

The PRC, to its credit doesn't plan on "winning" any so-called "space race" (which doesn't exist), just significantly contributing to planetary sci. knowledge and benefiting from a lunar presence.

I wanna go to the moon, the gravity here on earth hurts my back.

As a European, I don't really care who will be there first or who will do this or that first, I love seeing it done in general. So as long as the "new space race" will, again, result in international cooperation in the end, I'm fine with China winning.

Let’s go China! As a Chinese, I love the fact that we’re putting up a fight and thriving. I really love the fact that they named all of the modules after Chinese Mythos, like Chang E being girl who went to the moon. Love from Malaysia. We support you!

In my 33 years forming our Research Computer Systems Group of IU Chemistry, no students EVER worked as hard or more hours than the Chinese grads/students! No BODY!

"Imagine if we had called the Navy Water Force" Imagine if we had called the Air Force Air Force..... oh wait 🤦‍♂

"imagine if we called the navy water force" Wait until you hear about the Air Force

I am Cantonese, I want to ask: Americans are assuming that Chinese people can't see these videos, right?

what is amazing, is the 1969 moon landing, these people had almost 0.0001% chance survival and return to earth - But they did it! It much harder to take off now in the 21 century, maybe gravity has increased???

The US has an oligarchy and the one thing both political parties agree on is fighting more wars to try and hold on to dollar hegemony and fund the military industrial complex. It looks like the Ukraine war will be given priority to turn it into another 20 year war before any funding is given for a moon mission.

I know, can you imagine if we had named our new air combat arm the "Air Force"? No one would have taken that seriously....... 🙂

China do not want race with any other countries,we have our develop plan every five years,we go forward to this goal step by step

I successfully avoided serving in what was then called space command. They don’t seem to have had anything to fly, so I stayed with flying fighter jets my entire career. My initial degree was in astronautical engineering, otherwise known as rocket science, from the academy. I had the choice of going for a master’s degree or to start pilot training. At that point in time, it wasn’t even close. 21 years of flying mostly front line fighters made for a very satisfying career. My understanding of the math and physics involved in space flight informed my conclusion that the US wasn’t serious about space exploration, and that working in a military that only pretended to move forward in space would have been a career with nothing but frustration to offer. I made the right choice. No regrets.

I've enjoyed many of your videos but never commented - so, THANKS! Yet I have to add, I was pleased to see you make that "freedom" reference at the end of this video. BRAVO!

The thing is that once Starship can actually launch, land, turnaround, and refuel in orbit, the game will change so drastically that nobody will talk about who first landed some robot on the south pole in 2030. Because on a single launch, Starship HLS puts 100 tons on the lunar surface and they'll be able to put another one there at more or less whatever pace they manage to construct another HLS upper stage.

the starship test launch was successful, it just exploded.

Great video, healthy competition is also a driving force for progress. Love science and love peace!

It will be a tight race between the two giants US and China. What I hope is competition between the two superpowers can propel each other to new heights and help humanity breach new frontiers in space exploration. Better and improved space exploration seems like a much better outcome than war.

Love seeing India getting into the mix, another dedicated partner is always welcome

I can't wait to see what NASA Motion Picture Studios can accomplish this time around with today's CGI and A.I. capabilities...

Just want to correct one thing that recent India lunar rollover didn't land in South pole reagent or near that area, according to top Chinese lunar project scientist ' calculation

These people make a contest by themselves and declare it a space race ,and think whole world is supposed to think like that.

NASA also needs something better than our current back and forth BLUE VS RED BS to get us through this and to remain in the forefront of space exploration.

We need to come together as a unified plan and thrust into space. We are one people, children of Earth. We should be one people in space.

great video

So space force is a silly name but air force isn’t?

A lot of this is sad but kinda true. We need a rule that keeps NASA funding outside of politics.

I think the biggest issue at this point for Spacex is that from Bocca Chica they are limited to 6 launches per year which isn't enough to rapidly iterate design changes enough to meet Nasa's current Artemis Deadlines. Even if they can persuade Nasa to let them use the Cape they'll need at least 6 months to get things operational.

Verry well presented

Starship launch was not a failure. The purpose of the launch was manifold but primarily data collection. It met and in some cases exceeded its expectations. Starship is closer to orbit than most realize

Outstanding content!!

2:18 "imagine if we had called the Navy 'Water Force'" Or if there was something involving aircraft called the Air Force!! Wouldn't THAT be funny!

Excellent video, very informative. BTW, any photo about the India moon landing? I haven't seen a descent one yet.

As a rocket scientist I can tell you with complete certainty that this video is.... A bullseye. Space X super heavy is a total and complete joke with its negative 0 payload thrust to weight ratio and it's ten million points of failure, not to mention their hillairious production facilities...and don't get me started on their ridiculous OLM dumpster fire and reuseabilty prospectus cuz that will never, ever happen. SXSH will never see TLI much less deep space depository mission success or HR long range missions. SLS has way more potential for TLI and is our only hope for same once/if they get it dialed in for true MTO/MTTLO. HRM to Mars? Not in this century for any space agency. Humanity just can't survive it. Never will. It's simple physics. Do the math. Great video and about time someone had the guts to do this and publish Reality. TSR nailed it here, so take a note you Space X kool-aid drinkers. Thanks guys, great video. Keep it coming. ❤

I want the US to be at the forefront of the space race, but I would be lying if I said that I wasn't excited to see what China has in store. That wire rocket catching system seems quite cool.

Wish I could find the video game "Moon Base" from like 1992. it was very cool. had to provide everything for the settlers and plan for disasters. Feels like something Paul Allen would have made in private and kept away from Bill. I miss Paul.

As a Chinese, I hope more and more nations will have the chance and willingness to seek beyond Earth, more attempts means more experience as human race, because the vast space is the only way out for any evolved earth speice want to advance itself.

Imaging if we had called it "Air Force" looool

Thank you for addressing this topic. Yes, we shouldn't underestimate the will of China to succeed in the Moon Base program. Great video content. European SpaceX enthusiast.

What does winning mean? “Congratulations, you spent tons of money just to hop around an airless rock.”

Space Force is not that odd of a name when "Air Force" is what they decided to name one of our major military branches, not to mention our "Coast Guard" and the "Marines". So "Space Force". In actuality the Air Force already had a dedicated Space Camand within that branch of the military. Separating Space Camand from the AF is likely to only increase the overall military budget unnecessarily.

2:15 The air force branch starts to sweats intensively*

What I don't understand is the devide created between the east and west. It shouldnt be a race. Both sides have the same goal so why not at least attempt to bridge that gap so we all reap the rewards of progress.

OK, so call the Space Force Starfleet. I'll wait for Captain Kirk

Não é tão complicado entender porque uma das faces da lua esta presa a face da terra. A lua leva cerca de 27 dias para dar a volta na terra, e também 27 dias para dar uma volta em torno de si mesma, essa anomalia que não é por acaso acontece por conta dos polos magnéticos, então enquanto completa uma volta em torno da Terra (translação), a Lua também completa uma volta em torno de si mesma (rotação).

2:19 you mean like the airforce? Space force isn't a weird name tf???

If only the US didn't waste its resources and treasure on imperial wars...

Its official. China is 55 years behind US Tech

that whole program probably costs 5x less than what SLS burned through to date

The US is still debating how many genders and what restroom to use. They need to ensure that their lunar base is inclusive and welcoming to everyone.

Imagine if we had called our air force . . . uh, nevermind

The folly we embark, when we could just as easily cooperate and prosper together..

US: we plans to colonize the moon before anyone does China: we were decades behind until we were witnessed building a space station on our own

Your outline of the remaining items for SpaceX to develop and demonstrate highlights the need for SpaceX to find a non-US launch facility. Its pretty clear that the objectives of the FAA to provide safe aeronautical flight vehicles does not suit the objectives for a development of Space and launch vehicles.

Space X should buy up Dynetics Corp. and launch the Alpaca lander on Starship.

China: "Let's build a rocket that's optimized to get us to the Moon!" SpaceX: "Ummmm, we need to sell some more Starships, so let's use one to get to the Moon!"

Thank you very much. But there's one thing that's missing, Participation by e t's from other planets

I'm out of USA, and I will remand all of you reading this to most important quote from some American - "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither". In short terms dictatorships gives much better results, no doubts, but in long term.....

You forgot to mention FAA is holding Elon Musk back as if the FAA knows how to do it!

Because other nations would rather waste their money in war....

I can’t believe SpaceX didn’t choose to build an intermediate super launcher with the same design of the Falcon9 but with Raptors (15 of them) which would equate the lift power of a Saturn5, and then you apply the same technology that they mastered and create a massive three core rocket like the Falcon Heavy with more than 20 million pounds of thrust at end!

2030 seems like the best realizable date for the NASA Luna landing.

I think the name Space Force is a great name

Ryan Macbeth has T-shirts at Bunker Branding that have the navy logo and say Department of the Boat people! Around the logo

We stopped landing on the Moon when we realized that it wasn't made of green cheese. LoL

SpaceX KNOWS how to get Starship up and back. What they need is to get government off their ass so they can do what they do best, rapid iteration. But government regulations do not allow for blowing stuff up while simultaneously developing it. They crashed like 20 Falcon 9 before the first one landed. They've flown ONE integrated test of Starship, and it went a hell of a lot better than many other systems first flights.

Part of the problem is the goals keep changing, every time a new government comes in, they often scrap what the past one did.

The success criteria for B7 & S24 was clearing the tower without utterly destroying it. This it did anything else way just Icing on the cake

You are right, the tanker system ist the keyhole! But so far there are no indications for any concept: no artificial gravity needs new tanks, artifical gravity needs heavy and modified structure. Both ways have some very specific challenges. I do not see any indication that they have started with prototypes, not even which way they go. I am afraid, they adress the problems only just when they occur. SpaceX is far behind schedule.

Love your vids but I think Space X was successful if you consider what they were trying to learn from the launch. Look how quickly they have learned to improve landings and improve engine design and manufacturing. Success comes from learning.

Starship test launch was totally successful

The best part of the video is when he says “This is the space race” 😮‍💨

We call our AIRWING 'AIR FORCE', so why not 'Space Force'?

imagine if you called the air force "the air force"

Great video! I totally agree Everyone keeps underestimating china and they steadily move forward... Western is so bureaucratic ! This is why China will win the moon race

China has basically caught up with America circa 1999

imagine if we all just worked together we would get their sooner, safer, better and just generally be a better thing

To add a little nuance to his SpaceX diatribe in this video which is very accurate and well rounded. Everyone laughed at Elon when he said he was miking an electric sports car, then they laughed at him when he said he was making a reusable rocket that lands on a barge. So I would not put it past him to deliver amazing results even if they will most likely be late.

It will be interesting how much China persists with space exploration as their economy crumbles.

One strength of China's regime is that the can make very long term decisions without worrying about election cycles. Thats the reason why they own most most cobalt mines in the congo or why they accomplished to stop the desertification of more land because of the gobi desert.

As long as it doesn’t turn into the cold war that we had between the Soviets send us, this could be great. There’s nothing I would rather have us Americans rallying around than space exploration.

I think you make a lot of good points about the potential for a power shift brought on by this, Chinas space program continually surpassing combined attempts by the west, etc., but personally I am still uncertain they will win the moon base race. Like you stated, space exploration is heavily tied to the politics here on earth, plus I myriad of other factors. I'm not about to go on a long political tirade, but their government has been facing a number of growing problems internally and externally. 2029 is still a decent way off and with space programs still tied to governments, any societal or otherwise developments that might hinder their efforts will always give a large aura of uncertainty & complication. We see similar problems that happened within the USSR, huge breakthroughs in space exploration followed by developing problems on earth that hindered and detracted from the space program. Know don't get me wrong, that is a two-way street and the same can be said about the US or any other government with a space program. As you have said, China has and is making breakthroughs and outpacing other nations space agencies substantially right now and it deserves much discussion. Personally though, I do not see it as a certainty, but the only thing I know for certain is that I know nothing for certain. Apologies for the lengthy summary of my thoughts, but I am curious what anyone else has to say about this. Anyone agree with me? Disagree? I'm interested in discussion and having my thoughts challenged, at least with a calm & collected attitude.

The time it takes the moon to orbit the Earth is the same as the time to rotate on itself. It wasn't really hard to explain😂

Because China only focus on it's own space program, does not waste time for envies and jealous on other's! 🙏

Isro will take over spacex in launches in coming year

The SLS has already launched but the long march 9 and long mach 10 (needed for china's space program) are still in the design phase and no hardware besides engines have been built.

Superb prediction concept for the second small step-big jump. Beautifly presented. Lucid and objective reasoning. The inspiration from your videos are capable of shaping the future

9:00 hits different now 😂

So, what about the Air Force and I've also heard of ground forces ... and tidal binding is not complicated.

It is not a race from China point of view, it is for all humankind,you will see more spacemen from developing countries

Umm, complicated? The moon rotates once every time around the earth which results the same side of the moon facing the earth. Not complicated. Also, Space Force sounds great. Being on the water is different that being “in” space. 😂😂😂😂

I can already imagine China will be able to soft land a lot of small "bunkers" on the moon surface and have them pieced together like zigsaws, followed by other configurations and connectivities. The complete facility will probably take only 5 years.

The cooperation between China Aerospace and NASA will be wonderful!