I don't like levels where you don't get a powerup and there is a "don't take damage" condition. All it is is the creator can't add in a checkpoint

I really want a clear condition for high scores, i mean, we can still see how many points we have on the left of the timer but let's be real, they were never important for anyone in any Mario game. I just saw one level in SMM1 where the creator made a comment at the end of a minigame where he ranked your skill based on your high score... and now the Miiverse is gone and we cannot view it anymore.

I just hate that I can't add checkpoints when putting a clear condition. It makes sense,but they could have still made it work

I really wish the Toad clear condition, and the stone clear condition from story mode were in the actual game 😢

The "Don't leave the water" condition would even give the frog suit an actual purpose. A niche one, to be fair, but it's one

I wish we could put background characters to make levels feel more alive. That being toad, yoshi, shy guy, and more

I’m still so annoyed that we can’t have CPs with clear conditions

My least favorite clear condition is "Defeat all (1) Bowser" or any other boss. WHY WOULDN'T YOU JUST USE A _KEY_ Oh and the "don't jump" one. That one's almost never used well.

one thing i want them to add is to stack clear conditions like what you said at the end

Here's an easy solution to the checkpoint problem that's already there: CLEAR CHECKS. You can't upload a level if you haven't cleared it, so this would make it that there needs to be a way to complete the clear condition from the checkpoint. The only downside to this is that the creator would need to play through the level two or three times but that's already something happening with red coin levels.

Plot Twist: All of the exclusive story mode items, including the clear conditions, are actually unlockable and nobody unlocked them yet.

6:54 My solution to this would be to split up the courses into two categories: the open world "challenge" tab, and the linear "course" tab.

We all want them to make you not have to go to the flag (of course it would be a choise)

For the Checkpoints, you can handle status with pseudo checks at the end. Like blocking off the flag with ice blocks that you need a fire flower. Or similar things for other power ups. Clear cons really help for kaizo players to allow practice doors. But yeah, I think there a lot of problems with clear cons.

Another idea for a clear con could be to collect an x-number of points before activating the goal. This would be another way to combine clear cons, as you’d have to collect coins and defeat enemies to gain points. This would also add value to collecting redundant power-ups and being careful about how you farm 1-ups (since you don’t get points for enemy combos after they start giving you lives). This clear con would actually give a reason for that number next to the timer.

The checkpoint softlock is really more about level design in general. A clear condition could be like key coins, where it's only applicable after a certain checkpoint. Or you could circumnavigate collection issues with doors that allow you to restart. The fact that you have to beat the level from the checkpoint implies that there's no real reason not to allow checkpoints except for technical limitations.

In regard to checkpoints with a clear condition, here's a solution and a step beyond what you proposed at 4:52 in the video: *Let us specify in the editor, for each checkpoint flag, how much progress on the clear condition is required for the player to activate it!* From the Maker's perspective, the Clear Check from each checkpoint will begin with the minimal amount of progress that was specified for it. (For instance, if a minimal progress of 2/34 is specified for a Checkpoint, the Clear Check from that Checkpoint will start with a progress of 2/34.) To specify the amount, hold the cursor on a checkpoint flag to bring up a numeric wheel which can enter a value between 0/34 and 34/34. The default value is 0. From the Player's perspective, if their progress is insufficient for a Checkpoint, it will appear dotted (just like the flagpole or goal card) and intangible, and a small bubble will appear around it to inform the Player of "how many more" they need before the Checkpoint can be activated. If the Player activates a Checkpoint then loses a life, the progress on the Clear Condition is restored - either to the same amount of progress from when the Player activated it, or to the minimal amount from the Checkpoint. *When the player loses a life, all enemies shall respawn, and the same enemy shall count towards the Clear Condition again on separate lives during a playthrough, no matter what.* Side effect: assuming a Checkpoint is designed to restore ALL progress made by the Player, they might be able to cheese the Clear Condition during a playthrough (not Clear Check) if they manage to skip a Checkpoint, defeat the enemies around it, activate the Checkpoint, lose a life, and then defeat the enemies again. Similarly, a non-linear level with a Clear Condition and 2 Checkpoints could be cheesed by activating CP1 and CP2 back and forth, and losing a life each time. In order for the game to prevent that, once CP2 is activated, CP1 should be permanently dotted until the Player clears the stage or chooses to "Start Over" or "Quit." While this could restrict the peak of creativity for non-linear levels, (e.g. pink coin extravaganza), it is better than nothing.

the first idea for checkpoints and clear conditions would work, because for clear checks you have to clear from checkpoints so if you can’t do something earlier in the level then you can’t clear check it. That way it has to be possible if you miss something before a checkpoint.

Story mode is supposed to show off and give you ideas on level parts? Then why are there 5 story mode exclusive clear conditions???

On the topic of levels ending before the flagpole, I wish we could place the flagpole wherever we want, same with the start. Maybe even pick what kind of object acts as the goal, between Flags, Power Stars, Roulette Blocks, etc.

6:28 “Reaching the end goal” could be itself a clear condition you can add or not.

for not collecting x coins or not defeating x enemies, those could have easily worked by adding a toggle to the parts category which inverted that condition

10:50 after Peter Quill shoots Ego, instead of "You killed my mother!", its "You killed my opportunities!"

Combining conditions could be cool especially if you have inverse conditions, like "defeat all goombas and don't defeat any galoombas" for those levels that have you jumping on stuff precisely.. I think some of your hold ideas would be bit unfun, like galoombas and.. maybe buzzy's come back to life if held too long so it'd be a game of quickly dropping to refresh the "timer" and thus level has to be built around "oh one sec gotta drop this real quick"

New clear condition: Win without touching any Dry Bones

2:03 RIP headphone users like myself.

For clear conditions and checkpoints I think it's pretty simple: -checkpoints save your clear condition progress -clear condition items/enemies respawn after restarting from the checkpoint (so you can't get softlocked), but it doesn't add to the counter if you activate/defeat one that you activated/defeated before reaching the checkpoint And that's pretty much all you need to do. Because creators have to clear the level from each checkpoint to upload the level, all clear condition items/enemies will be available from each checkpoint, so players will never be forced to restart the level due to missing something. Sure, the system you came up with is more robust and won't force creators to backtrack when uploading stages, but this way would be less complicated and more easy for people to understand.

Absolutely love that you used the clip from Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2.

4:30 is no one gonna talk about the fact that there was a clear condition and a checkpoint in the level

There's like 3 clear conditions missing that I would really love. 1. Defeat certain amount of any enemies before reaching the goal 2. Do not collect coins (we can make a similar level using contraption, but it is limit 3. Combined clear conditions

Wow this literally just came out for me and this many views already?

I loved the story mode exclusive reaction you put. I felt exactly the same, and don’t understand why they weren’t implemented.

Hey i love your videos I think they are so entertaining Keep up the grind to 100k!!

“Reach the goal without collecting co-“ Nico: *Yes*

It's crazy how you found all these levels that you needed for your video!

I could not agree more with this video. There are so many ideas that could have been added like multiple clear conditions at once but we never got them. also 69k subs

I am so happy you made a new video, I thought you did not want to make any more videos!

Reach The Goal after liking this video!

I never really saw it as something that would make levels feel non-linear, I always though of clear conditions as allowing special challenges to be implemented (and while you could do this with complex contraptions it's nice to have a simpler way of doing it)

A cool Idea would be adding mini clear conditions to checkpoints... The level would still be beatable in one go, but you'd have to collect X items in order to save. This way you could make much less annoying levels, like don't leave the ground if you want the checkpoint. The wording for this would have to be pretty special to make it not confusing with normal clear conditions.

13:51 Seriously? Are they SERIOUSLY putting hate comment in your level? You make the best videos AND levels!! Also.. why are they even playing it if they don’t like it-

my idea: you can place the flag, and holding it would give the option for a secret exit (for super worlds, +5 lives for endless and place in a normal flag in the sub area) or to complete instantly when the clear condition triggers. Also, I think that you should have the option for starting over from the checkpoint. for clear conditions, I think that any checkpoint-required enemies would save, while others wouldn't. Also they should have an option for being required for cp1/2/both. edit: maybe if you have an action clear condition you can place a checkpoint, and if you try to change it, it would say remove the checkpoint(s) in this level before using a parts/status clear conditions. Also, if you have a status clear condition, then you could respawn with the powerup you died with/have to get another one (in a menu to choose).

I recreated the "Reach the goal after climbing trees" clear condition from story mode. The code is B7G-8B4-DCG

How to fix the checkpoint problem. Dont let them access the checkpoint if they lost or dont currently fulfill the clear condition. This could be cool to make levels where you dont have a fire flower so cant get a checkpoint until you find one. But for the collecting and activating ones maybe you can create a smaller number for the checkpoint of the same one as the flagpole

Simple fix for checkpoints; have a seperate clear condition for settable for each checkpoint. The game can just update the current condition when you grab that checkpoint, and can assume you have already achieved the objectives for it so give you the necessary powerups etc when you reset. The limit is that you'd probably need to number the checkpoints for this to work, but the benefit is you could make maps where the objective changes half way through.

Congrats on *69K* subs!

Yes been waiting for someone to finally come around on the annoyance of clear condition

In terms of making clear conditions work with checkpoints: Actions is pretty easy, just make is so if you fail the condition the checkpoint gets disabled along with the goal flag so you can't get the checkpoint. Status is also pretty easy, those only matter at the end anyways, so checkpoints could just act like normal. Nintendo could also alternatively have given creators a toggle to choose whether or not status clear conditions applied to checkpoints in their levels, in order to force players to have that status when collecting the checkpoint as well. Parts are the only thing that might take a bit of work, but Nintendo could have made it work. Just have it so collecting a checkpoint saves the number of parts you've interacted with and flags the parts that were interacted with before the checkpoint so they don't reappear if you die. That's how key coins already work, and parts associated with clear conditions already get flagged so they don't respawn when you reload the level through a pipe or door, so they definitely could have implemented such a system.

Have it so that when you finish the checkpoint objective and touch said checkpoint, the level just... saves the parts related to the task that you hit, and removes them when you die? It could do the same for any parts related to future checkpoints as well, if you turned that option on. As a sidenote, you could also have separate, entirely unique tasks for each checkpoint/goal with a system like this, which would be neat. You could also just have multiple per checkpoint, or you could have these tasks be optional and give some kind of bonus on completion, like score and/or 1-ups. (score is grossly unrefined and underutilized in 2d mario considering it’s one of the few AAA franchises to still have it.)

Another banger video! Someone might have said this, but I think for checkpoints it should save the progress for the player, but the maker should be REQUIRED to collect all of the parts for the condition. Also for the maker, any parts collected prior to obtaining a checkpoint will not count towards the total as they’ve already been obtained.

10:50 I can't believe Mario killed himself :(

I have an idea for the first one maybe after completing the clear condition you can get the check point and your progress would be saved

Your a legend they stopped updating this game but you are still making videos on it

I feel they should take a page out of 3DS Mario Maker's Super Mario Challenge, and add what I am dubbing "Star Challenges." Basically, the way they work is that a creator, could add up to two 2 optional "Star Challenges." Stuff that's optional like "Collect all big coins," "Use a key on a door," "Find a hidden Sound effect," something like that. And then when you complete a "Star Challenge," you get a star. And you can use those stars to get cool things, or just to flex. In order to counteract people grinding on easy "Star Challenges" on levels, is that you can only get them through Course World, Endless Mode, or random Super Worlds, so you can't get them from codes. I feel like this would add a layer of depth to the game, for both Makers and Players alike, incentivizing people to make more interesting levels with secrets, and other methods to play thier levels, and it would incentivize players to look through more of the level. This would be the one thing I would add to Mario Maker

You should make a video on how disappointing Smash Ultimate's Stage Hazard toggle is. It added no new competitive stages and make to many stages Battlefield and Final Destination clones. You can't decide what hazards you what on and off. For example on Wily Castle, I want the Yellow Devil removed but not all the extra platforms. It makes it Final Destination with strait walls.

Reach the goal after getting Dry Bones into Smash.

No CP’s could probably be fixed with partial clear conditions, such as 50 coins need to unlock the CP and 50 more to unlock the flagpole ... some more problems I have with CC’s is the fact that the massive screen telling you what the CC is shows up everytime you die, blocking the screen. Not to mention the fact that action CC’s should kill you instead of just letting the flag disappear

I actually thought of some ideas for parts, specifically 2 general ideas. 1. Don’t (interact with ---) What I mean by this is the fact that we already have a “kill --“ so how bout a “don’t kill” like say “don’t kill 69 dry bones”. That’s just an example but you should get the point. I feel limitations can impose some really cool levels and this is one I really want to try to do without some insane contraption. 2. A general ALL category. Essentially we can have a “Kill All enemies” or “kill -- enemies” instead of just one specific enemy. This i feel would remove an arbitrary limitation

simplest implementation of checkpoints + clear condition would be to treat the items collections like red coins. You'd HAVE to design your level so you could go backwards otherwise you wouldn't be able to clear check your level from the checkpoint cold. Status conditions should just start the state of mario however he was when you saved it, again the clear check process make it so that if you don't have the status at the checkpoint you need to be able to obtain it. For don't leave/land condition, the checkpoint would become disabled if you've failed the condition before reaching it, meaning you'd have to make it to the checkpoint in order to succeed.

Oooo I just realized you're only 200 subs away from 69420 subs...

In Crash Bandicoot, you get a gem if you clear a level while destroying all the crates. This feature works perfectly with the checkpoints from Crash Bandicoot 2 onward: Simply save all the crates that you have destroyed so far. However, gems in this game are additional bonus rewards, not requirements for finishing a level. If you finish a level but you had forgotten to destroy some crates you are meant to exit the level and restart it and try again.

For the checkpoint it could still just save as much as you have at the moment you get to the checkpoint because of the clear from checkpoint for uploading levels will make it so you have to make sure they can go back to clear it

I have some ideas of how to fix these problems mentioned in the video. The first is for some conditions, not being able to activate a checkpoint if a clear condition is failed. Another one I have is building off of the concept of setting enemies for the clear condition, the game could create a copy of the level in its current state and on death, load that copy. Unfortunately, this might not work because of Switch's limitations. The same thing can be done for the carry item condition. Now, about the Story Mode exclusive conditions. The toad condition makes sense to me to be exclusive to Story Mode because the toad fits in the Story Mode. Though it would have been awesome to have him in the editor, I am fine with this element not being in the editor. Same thing with the stone block, for the reasoning of making Story Mode unique. Now, the negative, Nintendo didn't add in the stay in the water and don't use a claw clear conditions in the editor. The headstand condition has no potential.

10:51 Mario talking to himself.

3:36 Your level 1-up revenge has a way to get softlocked. If you go back in the first room & you fall, you get softlocked.

I agree, I wish they had no coins, no killing enemies, and maybe even no power-ups! Also imagine using the clear condition on a koopaling and not having to go to the flagpole, then Mario will jump in 1 and 3, for world just do the peace sign, u just do the original key get thing, and 3D world just be the regular win animation. It’s also hard for me who had 10 coins as a requirement, but I want a check point, so I had to choose, and I chose win condition.

With clear conditions, you kinda have to design your level around checkpoints; say, you can create an "artificial" checkpoint by forcing the player to reset a stage should they take damage, instead of having them completely die.

You might like Levelhead, it has switches that activate when enemies are killed, when "Coins" are collected, or when you step into certain areas, that really fixes alot of these problems

Here are my suggestions: Checkpoints: I would think they could at least do the non-parts conditions and for the status ones, they'd give you the status automatically from starting from check point Level End: Honestly I don't care too much for this, though a movable and more dynamic end placer like being able to place a star like in SM64 would be cool and work perfectly with CC Story Mode: Add the story only clear conditions and their associated items Anti-Clear conditions: It would be cool if you could reverse it so that you had to fail the clear condition, aside from niche scenarios, this would mostly apply to parts conditions Key Clear condition: I wish that they made a clear condition for keys, in addition it would be cool to not limit the number of keys that mario could get for the purposes of CC And of course I agree 100% with stacking clear conditions

Why not for checkpoints and clear conditions just have it save the amount Mario had when they got the check point and give the player that amount when that die

The obvious way of splitting them (to allow combining them), to me, would be the negative constraints. It makes... Some sense... for clear conditions to not work with checkpoints, even if I'd rather that not be the case. But splitting them into 'clear conditions' and 'fail conditions,' and making the fail conditions impact things instantly, and then allowing fail states to work with checkpoints, and a level to have both a clear condition and a fail state, would make a ton of sense. One of the odder parts about clear conditions generally to me, though, is the way Nintendo were talking about them prior to MM2 coming out, and I think even in parts of MM2's advice on course creation. Even ignoring the checkpoint thing, "You can add clear conditions after you've made a level if you want to give players an extra challenge" was the way they marketted the feature when, at least the way I design levels, if there's a clear condition it will dictate pretty much everything else about the level design, and that would apply even if clear conditions worked with checkpoints. It's something I need to decide right at the start rather than towards the end of the design process. For example, I've got a collect x coin level where there are three pipes, each representing harder versions of the same level, and increasing amount of coins in each version of the level - I might have even made it a point to make sure the level could be cleared in the hard version of the level alone. The choice to make it a clear condition level was made right at the start of the design process, to the point the entire level was designed around the idea of combining 'pick a difficulty' with a 'collect x coin' level.

One thing that kind of irks me is that you can't see what the clear condition is until you play the level. I don't think it would be too hard to have the clear con on the level title screen, and not just the triangle doohickey in the corner.

I luv all of your videos Odyssey!

They could make it so you can have a maximum of three clear conditions in a level, wich you need to do in order to complete the level: you first need to do the clear condition to unlock the checkpoint 1, then you do the one that unlock the checkpoint 2, then you do the one that unlock the goal. It should then work fine :D

One thing I want clear conditions to do as a side function is a counter. I want to include special items like Big Coins that you can collect and it will count towards a counter. If I wanted to include 3, how would they ever know there's 3? There's literally nothing telling them there would be a collectable hidden anywhere. With a counter, people can see there are 3 50-Coins in a level, but they are able to complete it without it.

I just want checkpoints with clear conditions dammit!

To solve the Checkpoints VS Clear Conditions, just have the clear conditions reset to whatever they were at, at the time of the checkpoint.

7:07 thought we wouldn't notice that transition

I think the most annoying part is that the “no landing after jumping” one doesn’t have an option to automatically kill you when you fail it. It’s an irreversible condition to fail, so the only option is to give the player a way to kill themself if they fail.

I would like to add something to the conversation the issue with most clear conditions not having checkpoints. I get the problem. Is that not being able to go back to complete the level after grabbing a checkpoint,but red coins have the exact same issue but still allow you to grab checkpoints

I believe ending the level upon clearing the condition would mostly be very bad in multiplayer vs to the point of maybe having to take them out of the rotation or at least heavily alter them. As frustrating as clear con battles can be, having someone win immediatly just by beating the last Goomba or even the most Goombas seems even more unfun.

2:30 and its black lines Legit gave me a panic attack because I thought it was my device

I can only think of one possible good reason they made some clear conditions exclusive to Story Mode: those conditions are actually really buggy, and the Story Mode levels are carefully designed around the bugs. I have no evidence that this is the case, though, so maybe they were just lazy.

I thibk their concern with checkpoints could have been failing the clear condition, and then grabbing a checkpoint, forcing you to restart the whole level. And I can't really think of a way around that other than making it so that if you respawn at a checkpoint, any failed conditions are still on the table, which doesn't make any sense because in that case only the ending stretch would matter and nothing before then would matter. Or failing the clear condition would restart you from the start of the level, which would lead to functionally the same thing as denying checkpoints outright

I have an idea. They should make the checkpoints appear like the flagpole. Example: you have to kill 50 goombas. The checkpoints should appear after killing 25 goombas, and if you die in the second part, you should respawn with 25/50. I think that would work.

2:45 "Obviously it's nicer to have it than not to" I wouldn't say that about some things XD

Theeee were some glitch levels which had clear conditions and checkpoints but I don’t know how they were done.

I think the checkpoint solution should be fairly easy : save the uploader number of things when they hit the checkpoint. Then make them complete the level with that number from the checkpoint onwards. And then only unlock the checkpoint if you hit that minimum. Sure there are more complicated setups, but this should cover most use case

I was upset that they didn't offer second end points. But it's okay end conditions were a step from nothing.

It would be great if you could set multiple clear conditions

"Unneeded limitation" is kind of the story of Mario Maker, unfortunately.

You could just make it so that the enemies or coins tied to the clear condition stay dead/collected when passing through a checkpoint and dying, like pink coins. The problem of locking people off from stuff needed before the checkpoint is already solved as when uploading a level you have to beat it from the checkpoint.

I honestly think saving progress toward a clear condition with a checkpoint would work perfectly fine. The checkpoint would save the number of coins/enemies etc., but in order for the level to be uploaded, it must be cleared from any checkpoints without any progress on the clear condition. That way, players getting softlocked from hitting a checkpoint too early isn't an issue. That's how pink coins work. Levels can require the player to collect pink coins to get to the end, but the clear check must be done from each checkpoint without any pink coins collected. I don't see any reason why it would need to work differently for clear conditions than collecting pink coins.

I honestly like the idea of a clear condition being tied to a Checkpoint. Maybe there could be a similar idea where a boss or enemy is linked to an entryway (warp box, door, pipe, etc.), and in order for Mario to progress you need to kill the boss. I think it would feel a lot more organic than having to rely on key doors for forced boss fights. Also, I WISH Nintendo would release the storymode exclusive items for us to use. That Stone is easily one of the most unique properties in the game and we know so little about it. How does it interact when being placed in a Clown Car? What happens if you try to fly with a stone or carry it underwater? Not to mention those exclusive Clear Conditions would be so nice to use.

In general, it would be great if there was an alternative goal object (e.g. Power Star) instead of a flagpole. The flagpole is very bulky and limiting.

I think they need to add a clear condition for the amount of jumps you can do

13:51 That comment lol💀

4:37 its the same thing with red coins though, but they still work with a checkpoint

Yes, also Odyssey try making a Favorite Clear Condition video if you didn’t.

I’d love if they added an option to have multiple clear conditions in the next game. That would exponentially increase the possibilities.