Americans have a warped view of what civil war means because of our own “civil war.” Civil war is random. Random car bombs, getting shot at the coffee shop, people taking advantage and settling personal vendettas. America did not have a “civil war.” We split into two countries and had a regular war.

I think you’re purposely baiting people to thinking you’re not conservative so they get mad in comments and it hilarious

These people who support the physical conflict narrative are engaged in performance art.

Neither side in the US understands how a modern war works. Both sides generally believe that theyll get a notification on their phone saying "civil war has begun! Which side are you on?!?" And they generally think it will be two armies lining up in front of one another. A real war is fought by an insurgency with a decentralized network. You will never know the soldiers fighting for the insurgency. They will work a 9-5 job, they will appear normal on the surface. In reality, they are working to purchase ammo from black market dealers and foreign nations and raiding under defended military bases, patrols, and attacking logistics, slowly turning the people against the government by forcing the ruling government to enact more and more draconian laws.

Another thing to note is that the government would probably ban selling guns and ammo to the civilian market instantly in order to "starve out" the rebels. I know that it is some what easy to make the casings and bullets, but making the primer and gunpowder at scale while avoiding detection would be very difficult.

U gotta have an episode on this or debate with WhatIfAltHist

I think you miss the point as to why so many talk of rebellion and why they don't seem to have an end goal. They don't think they can fight to change the country, they think it's already over and intend to fight to the death. If you want people to come off of the civil war stuff or whatever you need to actually give them hope for the future, not tell them they'll just lose harder. They think they've already lost so they don't care.

You forgot to ask. Would the soldiers shoot their own family?

Logistics win wars, so a lot of these fancy new toys will quickly become useless due to break down of trade

America will only fall or be balkanized when it stops being the first economy and military of the planet. Similar to Austria Hungary or the Roman Empire. It's always a slow process

I thinks it's more likely people in the military will refuse to fight then defecting

I would argue our generals don’t even seems to grasp this a lot of the time. Why would the right or left?

The terminally online conservatives who call people soyboy willy nilly wont be fighting. The conservatives who know how to fight dont usually go online to talk shit to random people.

I been in the Army for 12 years. And I’m still in the National Guard I was in DC for 2 days and they sent me home because I’m too hard right wing. They sent a lot of us home because of that. So yea I would have always sided with the hard right every time I even tell my solders we get called again to DC and other Jan 6th like event we are going to help the hard right win

As a soldier, many soldiers would definitely leave if a civil war starts

Basically: Nothing Ever Happens the video

Im going all in, nothing ever happens...

Once this happens US will be gone for good. Certain states will remain independent. Balkanization is inevitable at this point.

So, what if hypothetically it was the liberals rebelling against a conservative government?

The people who are willing to lay down their lives is what's important here. But yeah, the social engineering the government is doing is going to overdrive and its scary.

You shouldn't assume the military will remain intact during a civil war. Professional military will end up on both sides

Z! Suggestion: What if the Trastamara dynasty survived in Spain? 🇪🇦🇪🇦🇪🇦🇪🇦

I don't believe an Election loss would be enough, to compell conservatives to go to War. I think that The Government would have to do something more intense, like declare Martal Law or Nationwide Gun Confication. I'm a conservative and I don't want a Civil War, because it would destroy this country. I believe that we should first pursue peaceful means to our grievances. We should only view War as a last resort when we don't have any other choice. I pray that may never have too use that last resort.

This should have been a discussion about a potential civil war in America....not a potential civil war in your own fantasy land.

This is true given what we've seen of the White Flight from the cities back in the 60's and 70's. The sad truth is that vast majority of conservatives would prefer to hide away than fight.

I am sure that the the Ancien Regime in 1789 or the Tzar in 1917 was also completely assured about the loyalty of institutional armed forces.

So this is just a rehash of the last attempt at this video, but in a more compact form. Still the same one sided strawman though.

You forget just how much the nations that would supply the government would have their own very serious issues to deal with if the US fell into civil war.

This is most tsundere back and forth I've seen IRL, you and Rudyard-kun should just debate

Understatement of the millennia.

Love how he made one in depth Civil War video that proved how conservatives would win, and then proceeds to cope by making almost a dozen videos on why they would lose.

9:24 this can logically be attributed to the fact that the Democrat party also represents the Neo-Cons, America's modern militarist, expansionist ideology. While the Republicans are strongly opposed to foreign interventions and prefer to focus on internal issues

Monsiuer Z has very little understanding on the dynamics of domestic warfare.

For me what it comes down to is that I would rather back the "losers" than the side that defends PDF files and general scumbaggery.

That was the most abrupt ending ever. So much so that I thought KZfaq glitched when it instantly started playing a different video.

These videos you do are so important. People don't realise the reality of war and power structures especially in a very developed country with strong law enforcement and many social luxuries that avarage people would be asked to give up to fight against the government.

Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun

You're making a lot of erroneous assumptions about what a "rightwing" insurgency would look like. Assuming no state governments got involved, at most you would be looking at a resistance. Rightwingers would have 0 interest in taking control of the federal government by force. The playbook would be mass disregard of federal power. We have already seen a test case of this with sheriffs publicly refusing to enforce certain gun laws. Besides this I'm not convinced the US military is prepared to project power within the US borders. We have been focused almost entirely on expeditionary forces all over the world since WWII. All branches are understaffed. The globalist uniparty is not going to mass redeploy troops to the homeland to enforce military law in the vast, sparsely populated interior. If they did it would damage their world domination plans to a point that the "rightwing" would claim it as a victory. The rules of engagement would be crippling. How many Wacos or Ruby Ridges would it take to sour the public on support for the military? In order to enforce military law they would have one every month. Would the public support drone strikes on US civilians in the US? Does the Navy and Coast Guard even have enough river warships to patrol the interior? I don't think any of this is going to happen, but if something happens it's going to be the response of the government that tears the country apart not the resistance. All we have to do is continue existing.

Every conflict is different. The mistake the majority make is looking at past conflicts and thinking they'll repeat. The next civil war will be between multiple factions, and technology as well as firearms will be utilized.

Which coast do you live on? Do you actually know any conservatives or are you getting your assumptions from MSNBC?

We conservatives need to play the long game. Get into institutions, softly tilt the rudders in our direction. We need to become a united front, and we have to stick together. I have leftist friends and family and buddies in the military, and I don’t want to/could never bring myself to fight against them. The long game is the winning game.

Na, I'd win.

Ive got a question mr. Z, what if the insurgency acted similar to a criminal group? So, the fighters and other rebel units remain anonymous, and have normal jobs to supply themselves, while in their free time building ieds and conducting ambushes?

Is this video a re-upload? I feel like I've watched it before earlier this year.

Do Americans really don’t want to live with each other?

While the Taliban and Vietcong were willing to absorb MUCH more loss than Western civil warriors would... strategically those were zero-risk conflicts for the US. We stopped when the arithmetic exceeded some arbitrary threshold and/or management just got tired of it. On home soil the costs would be exponential because you'd be destroying your own taxable assets. What size would a theoretical rebel objective have to be before it was worth military action to get control back? Pretty darn big...

Could not have written this any better myself. GMTA, I guess. These public service announcements are badly needed... if only the Right would care to listen.

Hey MonsierZ , Would you make an video of alternative history in where Argentina Was nuked in 1982 ( François Mitterrand claimed than thather would have nuked argentina if he didn't given the codes to desactivve the french rockets than were using the argentines )

Very well thought out video and I have to agree on the central premise that guerilla rebels simply do not win conflicts without the backing of outside forces. Your next claim is that any outside faction will obviously staunchly support the Federal Group against the Rebels, except for maybe Russia and China, which you claim won't have much of an impact. While nobody knows for sure, I believe this is where your analysis falls dead wrong. Take the US out of the global military equation and Russia, China, and India are the next 3 in line both in size of militaries, military spending, nuclear arsenal, etc. They are all members of BRICKS, which has the stated goal of suplanting US/EU hegemony over the global economy and trade (petrodolar etc). Add in the fact that oh so many Europeans actually look resentfully at the US as a 'nice enough but still an asshole' overlord, I believe MOST nations around the world would pour support into ANY US rebels, left-wing, right-wing or otherwise simply to topple their biggest economic enemy: The US Federal Gov't. The Feds would still be a strong faction backed by (2/3s) of the US Military and UK, Nordic Countries, Poland, Germany (maybe), and France (maybe). This will likely evolve horribly into WW3 fought on US soil.

Alright wiseguy. What the hell do you suppose we SHOULD do then?

One thing from these videos of yours that I really like is pointing out how a conflict like this wouldn't exist in a vacuum. I feel like a lot of the discussion around a modern American Civil War doesn't really bring up how the international community would react to this. I would even say that for the US's allies, the US is essentially too big to fail. Even for nations who aren't our direct allies, but may rely on maritime security and free trade often provided by the US Navy. Maybe if all that went away it could spark a Great Pirate Age just like in One Piece LMAO.

The fact that the first song has been burned in my mind thanks to Competitive Pokemon Videos (False Swipe Gaming), i cannot take this objectively aahaahhaha. I all makes American talking about a war like an upcoming patch of a videogame in Gen 9 more than a serious event.

we live in a smiley face world and nothing like this can ever happen!

Uh monsuier z Oregon is mainly conservative now after recent pollings

Very true. Not to mention that canada and mexico would be firmly on the union side, possibly even allowing union troops an extra front/way to link the coasts together.

The final two minutes of your video were spot on. Frankly, we all needed to hear that.

The strawmen abound. In the event that the only emergent conservative manifestation to this conflict is military insurgency, this video would be good, and all of the conclusions do apply to those idiots. However, to say that the conservatives don't understand war and that the military will not break to the right overlooks two f-k-g enormous factors that will come into play: The Convention of the States and the Oath of Enlistment. If the current trends continue, the situation will become untenable to the not-wacko civilians who will demand that their state legislatures flex their power to reign in the federal government. Based on the 2022 Senatorial results, the red states need 6 more to call a convention. Those 6 would likely include GA, VA, PA, NH, and AZ. I don't think it's a stretch at even this point to say that NJ, NV, and maybe another New England state like CT, RI, or ME would join in if for no other reason than to be "on the right side of history". Then there's the question of honor...how much of the military honors their oaths. If they break for the Constitution as they should, any Federal rebuke of a States' convention would turn the military against the Federal government. Probably not at the Pentagon, but the military does have mechanisms to relieve commanders that act outside of the Oath. If only the flag officers, and likely not all of those, are willing to go against the Constitution, the one-stars and down can, and will likely, remove those individuals. Everyone knows that drones with IR can delete people from the other side of the world, so no sane individual would go into the woods thinking they're going to win. That's why that's not what's going to happen!

Call of duty IRL who's going to get that Damascus camo on the AR

The conflict being at home would have as much of an effect on the military as it would on the resistance. Everything and everyone they rely on would be within reach.

Wait wait wait, the side of politica that tends to fight our countries wars for us doesnt understand war? I cant wait to hear you explain this.

Is this a repost

Love your content z! You're amazing ❤❤❤

Former military officer and libertarian. This guy isn’t far off from the truth. I would be curious what the percentage of combat arms are conservative

What if the Ottoman Empire industrialized? Not 1900s ottomans I’m talking about 1500s to 1600s ottomans

It really doesn’t matter. Once your life is taken you no longer matter.

i got a feeling this is in response to whatifalthist

Sadly you are correct sir

I actually believe the military will split similar to the spanish Civil War while, yes, a right wing general started the war i believe a similar thing will happen in the us where it's a mixture of the army and militias that's fight on both sides

A shame a lot of this is going over a lot of conservatives heads. Thanks for pointing this all out again. Did you watch the recent "Civil War" movie, Mr.Z? Any thoughts on its depiction of a new american civil war?

Before I clicked on this video, I was hoping you'd address what my counter was, and you never do. So, I'm afraid the one who doesn't understand warfare is you: 1: With conservatives primarily wanting to be left alone, what do you think the odds are that Americans in the military, who have American families of their own, would fire upon their countrymen without hesitation, regardless how much propaganda they're fed? Some would, don't get me wrong, but all or even most of them? Ridiculous. You keep addressing this as "Our troops won't betray the government." The accurate way to think of this is: "Many of our troops won't want shoot at either side." Most people in the military, of every rank, will think, "Wait, these guys just want to be left alone. Do I really want to massacre them because my CO said so?" 2: Reality setting in. War is a hell of a wake-up call. If it becomes a full-scale conflict, whiny college campus rhetoric will swiftly take a backseat, if not forgotten completely, when the economy crashes because half the country is fighting the other. Reality will wake up a lot of delusional people when life gets so much harder. Being left-wing these days is little more than ranting on the internet and holding up signs at a college campus. The harshness of reality will cause EVERYONE to seriously rethink their perception of reality. That in itself will severely weaken the Left's appeal. Obviously, there will always be a "Left," but when reality hits hard, it makes many people right-wing or at least sympathetic to the Right. I'm saying EVERYONE will wake up to the realities of family importance, responsibility, survival skills, etc., and thus severely weaken the impact of the nonsense left-wing rhetoric that has turned the Left so batshit crazy the past couple decades. 3. Think about it. It won't be right-versus-left so much as it'll be private citizens versus a bloated government. In other words, the Right will have the advantage from the start, for several reasons, but the main reason being that most people will refuse to side with the elites who are only perpetuating the conflict just to remain rich and in power.

1. Wrong- the war would be- The Permeant Political class vs We The People if that were to happen- 2. Wrong- It would be offensive.. why the hell would you start defensive? People would already target Official buildings... by then if that were to happen- Most of the government would be taken out... However, it would take less then a week- Giving Government less time to prepare for anything.. 3. Even if the Liberals have grasped the institutions needed to have a slight higher chance of winning... do you think that anyone within the Police force Military- Or FBI wouldn't question themself to kill their own families or Countrymen? A small handful would do that.. the large majority wouldn't. 4. Using other countries that are not our own- This isn't a very good example.. because there not our people. 5. No our civil war won't start World War 3- NATO will and Blame Russia.. that's a known fact. They been trying that since Ukraine started its War on Russia... and has been losing... Slowly. What happens in the US isn't going to affect... Like if Ukraine Loses it's It's not going to affect us... 6. The Military got ordered to secure the capitol... Now unless they we're told to open fire on the so called "insurrection" now that would've been a different story- That's when they would've had a possibility to question the orders. 7. 20% at best? It be maybe about 65% at most or more- because do you think they wouldn't stop to think that killing their own country men is a good Idea? or their own families? by not saying that- that's why you think 20% at most... When I think it's higher... However, by saying the Military has a oath to the constitution to protect from both foreign and domestic... That includes the government- Because the constitution is to protect it's citizens from Government over extending it's authority... Against the American people.

You have a ruling class of mercenaries who feel no kinship to the people they govern. The mercenary minded soldiers will certainly stay till they feel that the money and benefits they have been promised will never be paid and then they will run.

Larpers on suicide watch rn

The side that wants to be left alone will always lose to the side that just wants power

As if any opposition wouldnt have their own propaganda to counter government censorship.

I can just hear, "How good was the Union actually?" "Gen 1 saw the Union challenged by a bunch of would be phonies"

I feel like he may not know what he is talking about

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What’s the solution

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I will argue against what you're saying in some parts. A successionist movement would definitely have numerical superiority. Most states have successionist movements 100,000 strong or more. Most being right-wing. Couple that with all the young, impressionable men who will want to fight, militias, and prior service men and women. You will be able to match the military. The federal government will have to instate a draft which most liberals and people in general will skip out on, or start fighting against the federal government. Not to mention that with every 1,000 civilians killed by the US military, you get atleast 100 more supporters. I really don't think there's a way around the fall of the US government if civil war really did break out, there's too much distrust for the government and there's no good choices they could make in a civil war to win hearts and minds unless everyone in the US suddenly and violently becomes left wing terrorists ready to die for the feds, I don't see a US government W here. Not to mention the technological knowledge that the general population has, it'd be a new era of war like the world has never seen. I'm talking IRA x1,000, drones in Ukraine x1,000,000, trench and urban warfare, and MOABs left and right from both factions. It would be hell, so instead of baiting people to get mad like the media does, start making videos on why voting is more effective than shooting

What If the US/United States 🇺🇸 never annexed Hawaii

You haven't spent much time out of the city, have you?

What is probably going to happen bef9re conflict is legal separations like Baton Rogue and St. George or attempts to break off of liberal or conservative states.

I think something that is overlooked in this video is the international response. There could very well be foreign powers funding/supplying either side of the conflict, maybe even both sides. Given how the US military command has a nasty habit of bombing civilians, that would be a PR nightmare for the US Government if the US military called in an air strike on some rural community, even if by accident.

i wonder if you'll look back at these videos with regret one day.

European here: Guys, cut this BS and pull yourselves together. We won't be able to provide you with a Marshall plan in case you actually insist on such a folly. How about we send you some cheese and wine instead, hmm? Polish cheese and Portugese wine, perhaps? That will make you wanna declare war on us instead and solve your domestic conflicts in the face of a real threat. Y'all welcome!

Something you leave out with the military is the separation between Combat Arms and Admin. Doesn't matter if all the brass and desk jockeys, who make up the bulk of the American military, are leftist. The bulk of Combat Arms is very heavy conservative and would be at least reluctant to engage American citizens. Some would go rouge, but I think most would just go home and take care of their families. If even a quarter of the US Combat Arms units just decided to go AWOL during a full on insurrection that analysis would shift dramatically. 44A don't fight wars, 11B and 13F do.

This is really solid Z. Haven’t thought of things this way. Hopefully calmer heads prevail and the octogenarians step aside before November and let some younger people run for President.

what exactly do you propose then

Yemen is a good example, most of military switched sides to being pro rebel. And there's some other historical examples of military stopping the corrupt politicians

I think you still miss big on the reality that many of the people who enforce law at the ground level where it matters most are still not sympathetic to socialism/progressive ideology. Idk how you could think otherwise. But I do agree some sort of offensive conflict wouldn’t work out well. Secession from the Union is the best outcome

I wonder what the aftermath of such a thing will be, I think he's right in that the establishment would win a conflict if it broke out how it seems but where exactly it goes from there I don't know

You know this isn't a one side or the other argument. There is a high likelihood that large segments of the military would just stand down, refuse to go murder and oppress their fellow countrymen while not supporting them. Also without the conservative rural areas producing and sending food to the insane leftist cities, prices would skyrocket in those cities as they would have to pay an insane amount of money to ship food in especially since US food production makes up a large chunk of world food production. Without "red" state resources, the blue states would wither. It doesn't even take red states embargoing. All they have to do is refuse to work and produce more than they personally need. If they wanted to get aggressive they don't have to attack and kill people, they could just destroy the roads, bridges and rails at multiple places leading to the cities, making them dependent on expensive air shipping in country and preventing red areas resources from leaving red areas at all. Also, there is the option of tens of millions of people refusing to pay taxes and that would destroy the federal government as no one would buy its debt anymore knowing the federal government has destroyed its ability to float the system along through more debt. The military would no longer be able to pay its troops and the government would be able to buy weapons at the same time as rapidly rising prices across the board since America wouldn't be producing anything of importance. Energy prices would be insane. Only a tiny portion of war is kinetic. Thinking one side or the other can win just because they have military power ignores how the real world works. While it isn't guaranteed the weak, urbanites used to luxury and not knowing how to survive without the safety bubble we have created would probably start rioting and resort to raiding and pillaging their neighbors. There would be mass break down. People in rural areas whether left or right know how to survive without the luxuries and have the resources. They usually have important things like oil lamps and back up oil. They also generally have real fireplaces, and their homes aren't designed to require electricity to be habitable. A civil war would be lost by the left not because of an insurgency, but because of the complete collapse of the systems that maintain the modern world and the government. The insurgency only has to hold their regions as the cities start wrecking themselves and the government's limited resources are turned to put down the rioting and collapse in the cities. There doesn't need to be fighting just thousands of little brush fires that crush the systems of the US. I don't advocate for this because I don't want to see so many people die, but at the same time I also think it's better to die on your feet than live on your knees and I will never support us becoming slaves to the leftist commie scum.

Really don't think you understand how modern warfare works nor the will to fight. Not to mention logistics. The United States has pulled out of two major wars/conflicts in the past 60 years. Both conflicts were against enemies vastly inferior in technology, resources, and man powerer. And currently control the countries that the US pulled out of. Looking at the concept of a 2nd civil war, battle lines would still form, however, you assume the military would remain loyal to the government, that is never true in a civil war, the military would split. Where both sides have their issues, as we have seen in the left, they are activists not fighters. Anarchists not revolutionaries. They would run out of supplies and resources as most factory workers would not support their faction same goes for farmers. My greatest example of this would be when the liberals took control of and made the CHOP/CHAZ zone in Portland, Oregon. They starved themselves out in less than a month and dispursed. Circling back on what I have said in the past, I like your alt history, but you are too enticed with this subject, I practically knew you were going to do another episode about this after the Trump verdict. You either are begging for a 2nd civil war to happen or you are trying to piss people off to see if it starts something, focus on healing the country rather than which side gets to rack up the bigger k/d. In the end, if america collapses every nation will feel it and it will leave room for China to take control and be the world leader with no counter to it and it's ambition.

didn’t you make this already? is it just topical right now.

Does not know how many Militiamen there are and how many have friends in the Military. XD

What the “Right” needs to do is learn how to be ideologically assertive and let the “Left” keep making mistakes. As the left does very often and then tear them apart in whatever platforms the right has influence in. Even if the Right could win militarily no one wants civil war and would be a disaster in any scenario.

Who would win? The US military or the proud boys. Lmao

Generally speaking defenders in defensive wars have the moral high ground and legitimate grievances.

hell of a time for this video to come out