Why Cops Are Untouchable with Joanna Schwartz - Factually! - 212

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Adam Conover

Adam Conover

Жыл бұрын

Is there such a thing as "too much justice"? This week, Adam explores the pressing issue of police violence and accountability with Professor of Law at UCLA School of Law Joanna Schwartz. Together they discuss the challenges faced in holding law enforcement accountable, potential reforms, and explore the role of litigation in seeking justice and fostering meaningful change. Pick up Joanna's book at factuallypod.com/books
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@ALurkingGrue
@ALurkingGrue Жыл бұрын
I find it sad and hilarious they use the phrase "Just a few bad apples" forgetting the original phrase is "A few bad apples spoil the entire barrel."
@mookinbabysealfurmittens
@mookinbabysealfurmittens Жыл бұрын
Especially with "the blue line of silence" to pair it with. They'd just say something about "bootstraps". Why are cops so bad at interpreting really obvious quotes?
@NevTheDeranged
@NevTheDeranged Жыл бұрын
Also, you throw out bad apples, and that never gets done either.
@PsiNorm
@PsiNorm Жыл бұрын
@@mookinbabysealfurmittens I wouldn't say that they can't read, but I would say that they don't read. It's not like the quotes aren't well known, all you have to have done during your years of life is pick up some books.
@kylas1902
@kylas1902 Жыл бұрын
@@mookinbabysealfurmittens Lack of education. Mostly college dropouts
@nightembergrl
@nightembergrl Жыл бұрын
Willful ignorance is the only explanation. They know, they just hope they can convince us otherwise.
@DanJackson1977
@DanJackson1977 Жыл бұрын
Ill never forget when, in my mid 20s.. im jogging at night and a cop flashes his lights, stops right in front of me. "Hey pal, whatcha doin?"... im in my running shorts, with an ipod.. he saw what i was doing. "Jogging" i say. He snaps..."You being SMART with me?" My stomch drops right thru the floor... for the next 3 minutes im defending my tone of voice as he tries everything he can to escalate this... and im like "officer, i swear to you... ill swear on anything you want... im not being smart with you... my voice just sounds like this". He then gets a call on his radio and had to go... tells me i got lucky before he leaves. I wanted to puke. That was the moment that broke my trust of law enforcement forever... and i have cops in my family. All it takes is one cop on a power trip to ruin your life forever. And im convinced that if i werent white.. this cop wouldve shot me.
@AMcGrath82
@AMcGrath82 Жыл бұрын
39:52 Bear in mind, the Police Union is NOT a union. It's classified as a Fraternal Order, legally, on its own website. They bust other unions; they aren't union-friendly.
@theParticleGod
@theParticleGod Жыл бұрын
Actual unions don't include managers.
@kathrynmceachern9503
@kathrynmceachern9503 10 ай бұрын
F***ing F.O.P. ruining people's lives since it's inception.
@fettaboyproductions6022
@fettaboyproductions6022 9 ай бұрын
Masons , and if you have a problem with that then there is a mason elder in your family to check you dumb dumb
@ZZ-qy5mv
@ZZ-qy5mv 5 ай бұрын
Good to know! People always bring up the police union when they're arguing that unions are bad.
@Echo81Rumple83
@Echo81Rumple83 5 ай бұрын
well, THAT explains a lot: fraternity culture is about as toxic as andrew taint's be-a-big-man SDE Bee-Ess :/
@devinfaux6987
@devinfaux6987 Жыл бұрын
This is why I always say we have a legal system, instead of a justice system. Justice has very little to do with it.
@Praisethesunson
@Praisethesunson Жыл бұрын
The rich know it's the just-us system. Since only just us rich are allowed justice.
@asuka_the_void_witch
@asuka_the_void_witch Жыл бұрын
i've never heard teh term "justice system" :D
@Praisethesunson
@Praisethesunson Жыл бұрын
@@asuka_the_void_witch that's because it's a system that doesn't even pretend to offer you justice.
@asuka_the_void_witch
@asuka_the_void_witch Жыл бұрын
@@Praisethesunson oh they sure pretend. it's the entire schtick. "to protect and serve" is the american motto. here in sweden the copaganda is differently worded, but cops are still seen as knights in shining armor working to protect the kingdom from the evil gang members and immigrants.
@samcyphers2902
@samcyphers2902 Жыл бұрын
It's more of a vengeance system. Cops do not prevent crime. They have no incentive to, otherwise they'd lose out on taxpayer's money. A crime has to happen to you, THEN you call the cops, and maybe they catch the criminal. But usually, it's a rando patsy, who only gives a false confession because they were threatened, explicitly or implicitly. But cops, the judge, the media, and the general public don't care, as long as there's "closure." And those for-profit prisons make more money.
@dahak972
@dahak972 Жыл бұрын
The largest, legally armed, gang in America: the Police.
@bigshow771
@bigshow771 Жыл бұрын
It's only recently that we've started finding out that this is, literally, true.
@Praisethesunson
@Praisethesunson Жыл бұрын
@@bigshow771 I mean, black people have known and been telling us that for literal decades. We literally just don't listen when black people say things that don't support the status quo.
@bigshow771
@bigshow771 Жыл бұрын
@@Praisethesunson You are absolutely right.
@direktive4
@direktive4 Жыл бұрын
when the older protestor was shoved and bleeding from the head, one cop begins to try and check on him but is quickly dissuaded from doing so by a fellow officer and gets back in formation. the system does not care and is working as intended
@ShadowDrakken
@ShadowDrakken Жыл бұрын
Expecting police in the USA to think before doing anything is a joke. They are the bottom of the barrel. I've watched a guy barely finish high school, fail out of college, get kicked out of fire fighting because he wasn't smart enough to pass their exams, and then become a cop. Within a year he was on a full blown power trip and everyone cheered him on.
@utubepunk
@utubepunk Жыл бұрын
It's gross. Our country is sick.
@bigshow771
@bigshow771 Жыл бұрын
Any, and all, police applicants should be required to undergo a psychological evaluation before being hired and (at least) a biannual exam to retain their position. Granted, there's no chance in hell of something like this (or any real reform) happening so long as police unions hold power unimaginable to other unions.
@ShadowDrakken
@ShadowDrakken Жыл бұрын
@@bigshow771 and proper recovery support if they fail their regular evaluations. Don't just kick them to the curb, help them get back in the game safely. PTSD is real.
@bigshow771
@bigshow771 Жыл бұрын
@@ShadowDrakken Yeah, I fully agree.
@kellywalker1664
@kellywalker1664 Жыл бұрын
​@@bigshow771 compulsory liability insurance would also help. If the cowboiz get too expensive, back to the militias they go.
@andr0oS
@andr0oS Жыл бұрын
Here's the best reason why it's not hard to be pro-union and anti-police union; cops aren't workers, they're enforcers of state violence, more akin to organized crime than an organization of working people.
@utubepunk
@utubepunk Жыл бұрын
BINGO.
@agoo7581
@agoo7581 Жыл бұрын
100 percent this. Other unions fight against capitalism, while police unions protect capitalism.
@B_Van_Glorious
@B_Van_Glorious Жыл бұрын
Class traitors
@JoeNoshow27
@JoeNoshow27 Жыл бұрын
The interesting nuance to this point is that it implies the definition of crime is not necessarily determined by the state, but rather the community. Therefore suggesting that a cop can commit social crime while not committing state crime.
@snakesnoteyes
@snakesnoteyes Жыл бұрын
@@B_Van_Gloriousalways
@stephenmoore1541
@stephenmoore1541 Жыл бұрын
Breanna Taylor's murderer not only wasn't held accountable, he got a promotion
@stoodmuffinpersonal3144
@stoodmuffinpersonal3144 Жыл бұрын
this system is stupid
@Praisethesunson
@Praisethesunson Жыл бұрын
​@@stoodmuffinpersonal3144Not if you make over 700k per year. Then the cops are your tool of violence.
@CobaltContrast
@CobaltContrast Жыл бұрын
F
@Exiled.New.Yorker
@Exiled.New.Yorker Жыл бұрын
F
@renatocorvaro6924
@renatocorvaro6924 Жыл бұрын
Look, I'm not saying the guy should be lynched. But I am saying he's probably familiar with the process of lynching someone.
@Praisethesunson
@Praisethesunson Жыл бұрын
Cops have massive immunity to consequences because they are the ones who will violently enforce the whims of the rich from the will of the rest of us. That's it.
@ravenward626
@ravenward626 Жыл бұрын
It really does seem like they've been hiring a lot of mall cops and arming them with surplus tactical gear and armored personnel carriers. In some places at least.
@Praisethesunson
@Praisethesunson Жыл бұрын
@@ravenward626 Yep. A larping army meant to intimidate the rabble while our Capitalist masters rip the copper wire out of the civilization they are actively destroying.
@davidhibbs3396
@davidhibbs3396 Жыл бұрын
Yep. Keep it simple.
@amack308
@amack308 Жыл бұрын
"Just following orders"... If only there was some international Criminal case law around that phrase
@chaosking911
@chaosking911 Жыл бұрын
If only the US gave a crap about and accepted accountability for human rights violations, crimes against humanity and war crimes, oh right, we claim we above those silly things, cuz profit...
@noahpartic7586
@noahpartic7586 Жыл бұрын
Ask Nuremberg.
@mookinbabysealfurmittens
@mookinbabysealfurmittens Жыл бұрын
"Hey cop! Get a new job!" It's so easy! I mean genuinely, it's that easy. P.S. "40% of cops..." 🤔
@joshwarrey3728
@joshwarrey3728 Жыл бұрын
hence all c0ps are N@zis
@Craxin01
@Craxin01 Жыл бұрын
@@mookinbabysealfurmittens We need more garbage collectors than the crop of barely competent police.
@karniumsden7883
@karniumsden7883 Жыл бұрын
22:30 I love this phrase and its mischaracterization. "one bad apple" gets thrown around like its not a big deal, but if you have a barrel of apples and one of them is bad, the whole barrel of apples rapidly rots. If you werent proactive about throwing out the one, you have to throw them all out.
@M_M_ODonnell
@M_M_ODonnell Жыл бұрын
"One bad apple spoils the barrel" is the saying, but I've literally been threatened with violence by fans of the police who insist that it has always been "one bad apple never spoiled the barrel."
@bigshow771
@bigshow771 Жыл бұрын
@@M_M_ODonnell Ignorance is bad, willful ignorance is an affront. Even worse, it's not just "one bad apple". It's widespread enough that it can easily be called systemic.
@M_M_ODonnell
@M_M_ODonnell Жыл бұрын
@@bigshow771 When people feel entitled to demand that reality be rewritten to fit their version of things, they have no motivation to learn. So people who already accept it as absolute truth that police as a group are supremely righteous are comfortable just assuming that language has always matched how they want it to work for the convenience of that righteousness.
@Craxin01
@Craxin01 Жыл бұрын
@@M_M_ODonnell Bonhoeffer's theory of stupidity on display here with your police fans.
@teresaparnham9780
@teresaparnham9780 4 ай бұрын
​@@M_M_ODonnellstunning.
@stephenmoore1541
@stephenmoore1541 Жыл бұрын
I wanna talk about "civil forfeiture" aka all a cop has to say is "I think this _____ was obtained illegally" whether it's cash or a car or whatever and they can just take your property. Chances are you will NEVER get it back.
@utubepunk
@utubepunk Жыл бұрын
Exactly. It's unbelievable. All thanks to the War on Drugs ™️.
@pikapowns
@pikapowns Жыл бұрын
Not only that but they completely shattered all understanding of law to sue the objects instead of the person they took the objects from to avoid constitutional questions.
@CobaltContrast
@CobaltContrast Жыл бұрын
Did you watch the Jon Oliver video on this?
@randomstuff-qu7sh
@randomstuff-qu7sh Жыл бұрын
Its not illegal to carry cash, but if you happen to have some with you when detained by the police, they can legally steal it. It is possible to fight back in the courts (if you can afford it), but the burden of proof is on you, and considering how expensive lawyers and all the associated fees are, most cases will cost you more money than you could ever hope to get back. What I find especially disturbing is how the media covers these legal thefts. You never see headlines like "Police take $30k from an innocent woman and tell her she has to sue to get it back". No, you instead see "Police confiscate $30k, their biggest haul this year!" The words they choose make it sound legitimate, even though the articles never mention any crime having been committed. They just leave you to assume that if they confiscated the money, there must've been good reason.
@LancesArmorStriking
@LancesArmorStriking 11 ай бұрын
​@@CobaltContrast Everyone did
@ShionWinkler
@ShionWinkler Жыл бұрын
I can answer your question about the military. Soldiers can and are held accountable for their actions, even if ordered to do so by a superior officer. A soldier has the right and duty to disobey an unethical or illegal order under the military code of conduct.
@Kingdeme
@Kingdeme Жыл бұрын
Don’t they take you to court for that?
@ShionWinkler
@ShionWinkler Жыл бұрын
@@Kingdeme A military tribunal, which is very different than a civilian court.
@Kingdeme
@Kingdeme Жыл бұрын
@@ShionWinkler How is it different?
@ShionWinkler
@ShionWinkler Жыл бұрын
@@Kingdeme Well in many way, some of which are your rights are curbed, like you can't plead the 5th. There is no jury of your peers. And the tribal's decision is final and can not be appealed to a higher court, as there isn't one.
@Kingdeme
@Kingdeme Жыл бұрын
@@ShionWinkler So ON PAPER they have a right to act as how their morals dictate, BUUUUT in practice seems like an uphill battle, on a 90 degree angle.
@johndavis2938
@johndavis2938 Жыл бұрын
It should be against the law to serve warrants at the wrong locations. It should be an immediate termination regardless of ranks.
@cassiusdhami9215
@cassiusdhami9215 Жыл бұрын
Imagine requiring basic competence from those who have the power of life and death, imprisonment or freedom over us. We can dream I guess? #ACAB
@theonegoldengryphon
@theonegoldengryphon Жыл бұрын
@@corysanders6796 The thing about most jobs is that making mistakes doesn’t get people killed. And the ones where people can get killed, usually, the people who make those life-threatening mistakes get FIRED.
@johndavis2938
@johndavis2938 Жыл бұрын
@@corysanders6796 I think not reading the details of the warrant which leads to invading an innocent person's life to the point of mental and physical trauma plus property damage should be punishable by immediate termination to all those involved, I believe laws should be in place in order to encourage police to..... I don't know...... READ THE WARRANT. I don't, however, believe that mistakes made at work that don't fall in the category as gross negligence or illegal should always result in immediate termination. I'm not sure but I would say your hyperbole marks you as a jaded cop. I have a lot of respect for anyone that puts kevlar on to provide for them and theirs, but y'all will never be firefighters 😂😂
@hollandscottthomas
@hollandscottthomas Жыл бұрын
@@corysanders6796 Gross negligence isn't just a mistake though. If your job has the potential to do very real and lasting (permanent) harm to someone if you do not follow explicit guidelines, and you do not follow or even read them, then you should be fired. You have proven you're unfit for a position of power and responsibility, and so you should have neither of those things and certainly not a gun.
@maxpower4757
@maxpower4757 Жыл бұрын
@@corysanders6796 Maybe if you can't handle consequences for your actions you shouldn't be armed with a badge to kill???
@terriblefrosting
@terriblefrosting Жыл бұрын
I really don't understand why we hold the cops and politicians to a LOWER standard of behavior than we do to children or criminals.
@moodist1er
@moodist1er Жыл бұрын
The criminals write the laws is all there is to understand about that.
@jordanmurray410
@jordanmurray410 6 ай бұрын
Cus the laws are for us, not for them
@PooNinja
@PooNinja Жыл бұрын
Qualified immunity and so many other “not responsible for damage or death “ laws need to be fixed. It’s on me if a cop drives his city issued cruiser thru my house? How is that officer not responsible for his actions???
@stoodmuffinpersonal3144
@stoodmuffinpersonal3144 Жыл бұрын
because no institution in our society likes regulating power.
@yemo34
@yemo34 Жыл бұрын
Why shouldn't it be on the criminal they were probably chasing? I like how the context is being left out of that one.
@jeffw991
@jeffw991 Жыл бұрын
Did you even *consider* not putting your house there?
@dresdenvisage
@dresdenvisage Жыл бұрын
​@@yemo34 If they can't chase a criminal without crashing into random houses, they should let the criminal go.
@kayohwai
@kayohwai Жыл бұрын
@@dresdenvisage If they can't chase a criminal without crashing into random houses, then they shouldn't be cops.
@PatrickVick
@PatrickVick Жыл бұрын
I had a "dirty cop" indict me on explicitly false charges and, despite the evidence demonstrating such being strong and obvious, it was some other lies that got him fired... He paid no real cost for his crime against me ... Because of course he didn't.
@Praisethesunson
@Praisethesunson Жыл бұрын
Well duh. Why would police be punished for screwing over a filthy poor like you? I mean you aren't even rich.
@kellywalker1664
@kellywalker1664 Жыл бұрын
Al Capone was untouchable until Tax Evasion. Priorities, I guess.
@spoonikle
@spoonikle Жыл бұрын
Adam becoming a force opposed to settler-colonial capitalist patriarchy is the best thing ever
@Praisethesunson
@Praisethesunson Жыл бұрын
It happens to basically everyone who looks into how the systems you live in actually function.
@SocialistDog
@SocialistDog Жыл бұрын
I feel like cops aren't protecting people. They're protecting property and businesses
@utubepunk
@utubepunk Жыл бұрын
Sometimes, not even then.
@dennisduncan7561
@dennisduncan7561 Жыл бұрын
That was actually thier original, intended purpose.
@Praisethesunson
@Praisethesunson Жыл бұрын
In this case. Your feeling is literally a fact.
@kellywalker1664
@kellywalker1664 Жыл бұрын
"To serve and protect...." Now you know.
@Spico_
@Spico_ Жыл бұрын
It's called Capitalism. It sanctifies private property (capital) and makes it more important than people. Socialism says people are more important. That's why capitalists hate socialism/communism and will tell you that it is evil, so you wont think about it, and wont try to get rid of the capitalism that benefits only them.
@pnutqpublic
@pnutqpublic Жыл бұрын
somewhere there's an alternate universe where Adam Conover never got fired and those poor bastards don't get to enjoy feral Adam Conover and i feel bad for them
@bigshow771
@bigshow771 Жыл бұрын
Somewhere there's a world where people like Adam are not needed and, I would imagine, they look at us with horror and pity.
@jn1211
@jn1211 Жыл бұрын
can't help but think of that time the cop threatened to murder me and leave my body where no one would ever find it and literally nothing ever happened about it.
@stoodmuffinpersonal3144
@stoodmuffinpersonal3144 Жыл бұрын
starting to think the Blood and crypts are better than cops. Christ almighty.
@utubepunk
@utubepunk Жыл бұрын
Sounds worse than what happened to Long Island Audit. Not sure if you're familiar, but a corrupt cop told him on camera that if this was 20 years ago, he'd be found dead with his teeth missing & that he'd do it himself. Sean, like you I'm assuming, wasn't breaking the law. I think the cop eventually got a few day suspension. These cops are just psychos with badges.
@apove1814
@apove1814 Жыл бұрын
A cop murdered someone in my hometown, which I never even heard on the news, but it got my sister off a serious ticket. Just last month, (I live in suburbs), a cop pulled me over after work less than 5 min away from work, at midnight “for a broken break light” - “the middle one”, on my suv he told me. I went the NEXT MORNING. there was no broken break light . Not 1st time I was lied to for reason being pulled over, either, but would be too long here.
@yemo34
@yemo34 Жыл бұрын
LoL, totally happened.
@hattielankford4775
@hattielankford4775 Жыл бұрын
​@@yemo34 It's completely plausible, but go ahead and be an ass for no good reason.
@kerribarber6543
@kerribarber6543 Жыл бұрын
I live in a state that ended qualified immunity. The response is they do not even do their jobs now. They get paid and do not ever show up. Had a break-in? They’ll give you a report number for insurance. Have a murderer held at gun point? They won’t show up. Attempted car jacking? Nope, they don’t come at all. A 72 yr old just survived a car jacking and they left him waiting for four hours. This force was already under a consent decree.
@utubepunk
@utubepunk Жыл бұрын
Which state? Voters should be in up in arms that their do nothing police force is basically collecting a pay check for not doing their job.
@joshecker6907
@joshecker6907 Жыл бұрын
Some people won't change with the system, we fire them and rehire the next generation of people willing to do the job. Police work is not a trade, any dumbfuk can go be a cop.
@kerribarber6543
@kerribarber6543 Жыл бұрын
@@utubepunkNew Mexico and yes we are. There are elected officials in the statehouse working on this issue now. We pay the lawsuits and salaries and get little in return. We also need increased funding for social workers. We ended qualified immunity for everyone, btw.
@Praisethesunson
@Praisethesunson Жыл бұрын
Cool. I live in a state that deep throats police. Everything you described also happens.
@kellywalker1664
@kellywalker1664 Жыл бұрын
They didn't run to Floriduh? Ronee's takin' 'em in with open arms.
@skyekeating349
@skyekeating349 Жыл бұрын
The way I see it, the main difference between police unions and other unions is what they defend them for. Teachers, nurses, doctors, firefighters, all have unions and they also have a responsibility for other people's lives. If someone in one of those unions decided the best way to deal with someone unruly was to kill them they can be sued. While their union might still give whatever representation is contractually obligated, the union wouldn't actively show their support for it. People like to pretend the police have a similar sense of responsibility. Which is ridiculous since the supreme court has not only decided that they don't have any responsibility to help people, they also decided to make it so they can't be held accountable when they literally murder people. This shows that the government only sees the police as a force for violence. The police union exists only to promote their existence as a force of violence. That's why police unions aren't like other unions and shouldn't exist. They don't exist to make things better for cops. They exist to make sure the violence is allowed to continue. ACAB
@agoo7581
@agoo7581 Жыл бұрын
Well said, another point that Renegade Cut made. Unions normally are to protect workers from the perils of capitalism, while police unions effectively work to protect capitalism, because that is what police do. So even though it may technically be a "union", it in fact, does the complete opposite.
@Praisethesunson
@Praisethesunson Жыл бұрын
@@agoo7581 The police unionize to get a bigger cut from the capitalists they protect from the other workers.
@jeffreyadams8839
@jeffreyadams8839 Жыл бұрын
Suing a doctor is harder then suing a cop. Medical misconduct kills more people every year then cops do.
@kentslaymaker9254
@kentslaymaker9254 Жыл бұрын
I am a citizen of Clear Creek County, Colorado. We had a killing of a citizen, Christian Glass, by the sheriff's department recently. The county actually did take away funding from the sheriff's department as a result. It has had a good, chilling effect on the sheriffs. Unfortunately, as the local dog shelter is a part of the sheriff's department, the sheriff completely defunded the dog shelter to gain back most of his funds. This lead to many citizens being mad at the county government for defunding a beloved service, instead of the sheriff, who actually did the defunding. Making cops pay for their malfeasance is a good thing. At the same time, they will fight back with everything they have.
@wendwllhickey6426
@wendwllhickey6426 Жыл бұрын
Start to shoot back and hit what you aim at 😂
@jordanmurray410
@jordanmurray410 6 ай бұрын
All the more reason to bring them to accountability, I've always had a distrust of authority but fuck they aren't even trying hide how shitty they are at this point...
@coffeetablesex
@coffeetablesex Жыл бұрын
what's the difference between LEOs and CEOs? LEOs get paid vacations for ending innocent lives. when CEOs end innocent lives they just get paid.
@lady_draguliana784
@lady_draguliana784 Жыл бұрын
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ― John F. Kennedy, 13 March 1962
@GetSwoleJones
@GetSwoleJones Жыл бұрын
Love these videos but they also make my blood pressure spike
@bigshow771
@bigshow771 Жыл бұрын
Right? I'm at the point where, when I see Adam has posted a new vid, I just know I'm about to be pissed off and/or disgusted.
@JLP802
@JLP802 Жыл бұрын
Regarding "One bad apple", rotting apples release acetone which causes all the other apples near it to also rot.
@emmamcmenomy1656
@emmamcmenomy1656 Жыл бұрын
Had a professor recommend Joanna’s work for an advocacy project about policing. If anyone has access to scholarly work I highly recommend her law reviews as well as Shielded!
@yemo34
@yemo34 Жыл бұрын
I feel like this sort of work should be career ruining. As these lies endanger the lives of police officers.
@spasticnapjerk
@spasticnapjerk Жыл бұрын
​@@yemo34 what do the underside of those boots taste like?
@yemo34
@yemo34 Жыл бұрын
@@spasticnapjerk always remember to comply with all the officers commands. Oppositional defiance disorder can be treated. Until then, follow the law, and you have nothing to worry about.
@mookinbabysealfurmittens
@mookinbabysealfurmittens Жыл бұрын
​@@yemo34 You didn't watch the video. You don't have to be doing anything "wrong" to come to great harm by police - with impunity. Literally the top comment and the beginning of the conversation are in regard to warrants carried out at the wrong address - notably, to innocent people, who statistically are extremely likely to face severe violence & even death (no warning is required to use deadly force in many states), property damage, and false arrest under the identity of the intended person on the warrant, and more. P.S. the bootlicking will get you no sympathy from the police. They do not care about you, and it's been clearly stated that "protecting you [the working class] is not the police's job, especially if they feel 'unsafe' or prejudiced". Can't remember which Supreme Court decided that, whether a state (or which) or the federal one. Just WATCH the VIDEO. Yeesh.
@yemo34
@yemo34 Жыл бұрын
@@mookinbabysealfurmittens I'm sorry, but I must report your comment for bullying and harassment. Bootlicker is a slur, which does violate KZfaq TOS. I also don't understand why liberals must use such degenerate sexual innuendo to make points. Especially points that not only endanger the lives of law enforcement, but border on seditious conspiracies.
@stoodmuffinpersonal3144
@stoodmuffinpersonal3144 Жыл бұрын
All power, no responsibilities. Its so wrong.
@Praisethesunson
@Praisethesunson Жыл бұрын
That's what you get when you kill in service to the rich.
@oneofus6924
@oneofus6924 Жыл бұрын
always hilarious to me the people who "back the blue" are also the ones who rant tirelessly against "oppressive government"
@ElSpiko
@ElSpiko Жыл бұрын
I was dismissed from a jury because I stated that statistically and historically that law enforcement officers were more prone to giving false testimony than most plaintiffs. They dismissed me and one other guy who both cited the statistics supporting that. That is bias from the courts.
@wendwllhickey6426
@wendwllhickey6426 Жыл бұрын
Do like the police do lie your ass off.
@Stevarious
@Stevarious Жыл бұрын
A conservative thinks that the system is flawed but is pretty great and just needs tweaked. A liberal thinks that the system is broken and needs to be fixed. A leftist understands that the system is working as intended and needs to be destroyed.
@henryreed4697
@henryreed4697 Жыл бұрын
Okay, genuine question here. How do you destroy this system? And what replaces it? From what I can tell from reading all these comments no one has offered a solution really. It's all just pointing out the problems with no solution.
@DanaTheInsane
@DanaTheInsane Жыл бұрын
And if you try to drive the left in half the conservatives always win.
@Spico_
@Spico_ Жыл бұрын
Amen.
@Spico_
@Spico_ Жыл бұрын
@@henryreed4697 You replace it with S O C I A L I S M. *Capitalism* = Everyone for themselves and lets have Violence that looks like Peace. Violence in the form of hunger, homelessness, poverty, discrimination, police brutality, moving your job to someone else overseas etc. *Socialism/Communism* = Let's try to work together and be fair and have Peace that looks like Violence. Violence in the form of military parades that show off weapons arsenals, etc.
@roofdogblues7400
@roofdogblues7400 Жыл бұрын
@@henryreed4697 How's the saying go? You have to be able to admit that there is a problem before you can work on a solution. Something like that? Hence, pointing out the problems...
@cecilbdemento7736
@cecilbdemento7736 Жыл бұрын
The problem with suing the city rather than the officer is We the People then have to pay the bill. Officers who flagrantly abuse the powers We the People have entrusted them with need to be dealt with. Bad Actions = CONSEQUENCES no matter who you are.
@LordMondegrene
@LordMondegrene Жыл бұрын
Slavery was never abolished. It was just rebranded, as prison labor, "public service sentencing", apprenticeships, internships, subminimum wage jobs, outsourcing, trainee positions, volunteering, student workers and probationary work.
@Hippiekinkster
@Hippiekinkster Жыл бұрын
Exactly right, and I'm a 70 year old white male who recognizes this fact. "Lettin' my WOKE" flag fly!" Of course, my awareness and intelligence is to the MAGAts what the MAGAts same attributes are to, say, a Jack Russell, so, there's that.
@notmuchfortalk
@notmuchfortalk Жыл бұрын
I've been pulled over for "looking Mexican", too dark of tint on a car without tint, and many many times for my car "looking to nice for someone so young". I've been randomly searched on the street for "looking like I'm up to something". I've been charged with a crime with zero evidence (luckily it was thrown out by the judge). I've been harassed by one officer in multiple jurisdictions. There is no accountability. Yet when I was the victim of a financial crime nobody was charged though there was ample evidence (and a paper trail). When I was the victim of an assault by multiple people only one was charged and I've never received any restitution. I have a judgement against an employer who didn't pay me, but the Sheriff's office wouldn't execute it. The judge wouldn't enforce it either. There's no service for the taxes we pay to support them.
@thumper84
@thumper84 11 ай бұрын
Liar
@notmuchfortalk
@notmuchfortalk 11 ай бұрын
@thumper84 everything I referenced is on the public record, except being profiled and pulled over because I didn't have a camera or cell phone back in the 90's. And you can look up the child support laws, you cannot sue for an employer embezzling the money withheld for child support in Minnesota, only the state can pursue it if they choose to, which they don't because they can make you pay it again without any hearing at all. There is no legal way to contest it or appeal it once it is decided. The state had at that time 5 people to investigate that kind of crime and didn't have time to investigate the vast majority of those cases so they didn't and still don't. The same employer has done this to multiple people. But you're probably not smart enough to independently verify anything including how far your cranium is up your rectum.
@T.R.75
@T.R.75 Жыл бұрын
blanket immunity for anybody is such a bad thing for society, it boggles my mind that it actually exists. talk about free reign as a person in a position of power, to do whatever you want. im sure that wont lead to corruption.
@kiltedcripple
@kiltedcripple Жыл бұрын
Completely agree, the moment you take away the feedback loop of accountability, you've basically mandated corruption. No one at any level, but most especially in public service, should be immune for investigation, oversight, or discipline.
@Praisethesunson
@Praisethesunson Жыл бұрын
The rich have had blanket immunity longer than your family has been alive.
@tedl2711
@tedl2711 11 ай бұрын
You know that great quote from Uncle Ben. “ with great power comes great immunity “
@chartypeplays2396
@chartypeplays2396 Жыл бұрын
The more I hear about the supreme court, the more I think that it's a terrible system and we should just abolish it and replace it with some other way to make rulings on law. They're supposed to just interpret the law, but they twist the original wording and apply precedent inconsistently so much that they're basically legislating from the bench. The point of having them serve for life is supposed to make them unbiased, but they clearly have an agenda anyway, and the rules that are supposed to make them not be influenced by politics just make them unaccountable.
@kevino2237
@kevino2237 Жыл бұрын
An interesting proposal I've heard as a way to help hold cops accountable is to require that police departments have insurance to cover these kinds of things so that officers who rack up too many claims become a liability. I don't know how something like that could even happen but it's definitely interesting to think about.
@JohnBiddleMusic
@JohnBiddleMusic 11 ай бұрын
Cities and counties have liability insurance, but no insurance company will cover gross negligence. But as the system is right now, the cops can’t really get sued in the first place
@MrShaclakclak
@MrShaclakclak Жыл бұрын
When I lived in south Florida, my downstairs neighbors were in an abusive toxic relationship. Many nights were we awoken to screaming, stomping, shouting, objects being thrown, and doors slammed. (It felt like all the time) the "man" in the relationship, much like the lady, had major anger issues and mixed that with heavy drinking. The sheriff's officers were there a lot. I will never forget after one very violent night, one of the officers giving the lady advice. "Let him sleep it off somewhere else and talk to him tomorrow." They never arrested him or her, just kept telling them to try and work it out. I'm no relationship counselor, and I know that's some of the worst advice to give. I hope they found peace. Cops are not meant for that, and their "advice" should be kept to themselves.
@tbdaemon
@tbdaemon Жыл бұрын
Police unions are antithetical to the goals of the labor movment because the interests of the police are those of the state and the owning class, which are opposed to the goals of organized labor. Having a police union as part of the labor movement represents a conflict of interest. To that end, police unions rarely if ever act in solidarity with other unions and they frequently support causes and leaders that oppose organized labor. I hope that clarifies things for you, Adam.
@Praisethesunson
@Praisethesunson Жыл бұрын
You have the best comment on the whole video.
@MarkBarrett
@MarkBarrett Жыл бұрын
Utah made a law that you can't sue any government entity in Utah, unless the state gives you permission to sue the state itself, which they don't approve.
@ChaunaDixon-he4pp
@ChaunaDixon-he4pp 7 ай бұрын
That's insane! I hope that is being taken to a higher court. It reminds me of the city councils that always vote unilaterally to approve a rise to themselves. That's my dream job. Where I have a vote on very specific & appealing details of my job. Must be sooo nice
@josefsvitak4313
@josefsvitak4313 Жыл бұрын
Did you know that here in czech republic we get 20 firearm related deaths per year? That's 2/yr/1M people. In the usa is police alone responsible for 3!
@Craxin01
@Craxin01 Жыл бұрын
America is a sick country because we're rich, we don't give a damn, and nobody is willing or able to hold us to account. Also, all of that basically only applies to the richest 1%, the rest of us are being held hostage.
@sonorasgirl
@sonorasgirl Жыл бұрын
For anyone saying “just making a mistake and you get fired is too much!” Yeah, except when your job is about protecting people’s lives. I’m a therapist. There are lots of things that if I don’t do them, will harm people and make me lose my license - I.e, not just be fired, but unable to do my career field ever again and open me up to being sued. I’m sorry, but I have no empathy around this point. I’m not carrying a gun and I’m held to waaay higher standards. Grow tf up.
@pyramear5414
@pyramear5414 9 ай бұрын
As an engineer, if I were to sign off on a specification I know to be wrong, I just committed fraud and would be fired. Many fields have ethics standards and requirements, and a failing of character, a failing of trust in your decision making, is sufficient to end your career.
@ethanstump
@ethanstump Жыл бұрын
Just an FYI, the state as defined by max Weber doesn't have a monopoly on the use of violence, it has a monopoly on the legitimatized use of violence. In essence, he was talking about how the state has a monopoly on the court system that allows the state to valorize some forms of violence, while demonizing other forms of violence. This is what makes the state so powerful, as the ability to use the court system for one's own ends is always defined in the favor of the powerful. Interestingly enough in the case of Steven donziger, you can start to see how it's all a game of smoke and mirrors, as how even in the case of the court system being successfully used against the powerful, they have enough backdoors and workarounds to make both the functional and aspirational arguments for using the court system against the powerful counterproductive. And even if that wasn't the case, even if these institutions could be used against the ruling class, there is enough functional history to show that the continued development of these institutions will lead to the suppression of the median person. Structural authority never connects to structural liberty, never will the two ever meet. Police abolition is both the empirical and emotional argument at this point after uvalde.
@Praisethesunson
@Praisethesunson Жыл бұрын
Reminder that the state with all it's wealth and might. Can only prosecute you *after* you've done whatever crime you wish.
@kellywalker1664
@kellywalker1664 Жыл бұрын
​@@Praisethesunson or whatever entrapment railroads one into.
@stoppit9
@stoppit9 Жыл бұрын
Police "unions" aren't organized labor, they're mafia
@DanaTheInsane
@DanaTheInsane Жыл бұрын
I disagree. The mafia has a stronger sense of personal responsibility than the police do.
@sentientnatalie
@sentientnatalie Жыл бұрын
@@DanaTheInsane I mean, the mafia are "libertarians", read: ancaps, so yeah lol.
@thumper84
@thumper84 11 ай бұрын
Police should call a nation wide strike until all the defund the police politicians have resigned
@rafnelb
@rafnelb Жыл бұрын
In the U.S., we live in a culture of Domination. Police are the enforcers. SCOTUS is basically saying, the risk is too great to allow the police to be bound by laws. What is the risk? Lose of power and control. Their biggest fear is that people will actually control their government.
@marks7796
@marks7796 Жыл бұрын
"We have investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong."
@MrWhangdoodles
@MrWhangdoodles Жыл бұрын
What bothers me is that these lawmen don't seem to understand that when the law is so far removed from justice, the social contract breaks down. This makes people desperate and they will reach towards violence. Disproportionate violence. It baffles me that the US doesn't understand this simple principle. You know what happens to policemen in my country that do that? Their lives are ruined.
@PokhrajRoy.
@PokhrajRoy. Жыл бұрын
As someone who grew up on Police Procedurals that taught us the guilty one is the suspect who calls the lawyer, I love this topic already.
@mookinbabysealfurmittens
@mookinbabysealfurmittens Жыл бұрын
🎵🎶COPAGANDA🎵🎶 Is gross. But it works. Worked on me, too, for a long time.
@jeffw991
@jeffw991 Жыл бұрын
Hollywood (movies & television) have really done us dirty on this topic.
@noahpartic7586
@noahpartic7586 Жыл бұрын
I call BS. Utilizing an Attorney is NOT an admission of ANY guilt. The Attorneys job is to protect their client from undue abuse & overzealousness from the criminal justice system hell bent on obtaining guilt guilt guilt above all else.
@mookinbabysealfurmittens
@mookinbabysealfurmittens Жыл бұрын
@@noahpartic7586 +1! And it's the only way to make an interrogation stop. ...Or ideally, stop it before it starts - but bear in mind that everything you say & do from arrest til you're away from the police station is being recorded for future use against you, even if you've done no wrong. As ever. So the "interrogation proper" doesn't just start when they put you in the room and start talking with you. Not even close. Also, note the stats on _false confessions._ They're obtained by lying to the suspect (totally allowed for them but not you), intimidation, and regularly literal tor/ur/ like sleep deprivation, wearing you down over 10+ hours, feeding you false "info" til your delirious mind lets you fall into a "word game" trap, withholding food/water. And on that note, mind anything you eat or drink with, as it can be used to obtain sketchy DNA "partial matches": taken off cups, gum, smokes, food utensils, etc. Simply say, "I want a lawyer." If they insist or B.S. you (they can lie to you & love to pull the old "sure, BUT we just have a couple of questions first" and "if you're innocent, then you have nothing to hide")... *THEN REPEAT AGAIN* calmly, clearly, simply: "I want a lawyer." Refuse to say anything else, like don't even start the phrase with a "no" or "yeah but"... That counts as "answering their question" or whatever they want. You have a right to a lawyer. And btw even lawyers put on trial don't represent themselves; they get a lawyer.
@noahpartic7586
@noahpartic7586 Жыл бұрын
@@mookinbabysealfurmittens Makes sense.
@ih8myfriends
@ih8myfriends Жыл бұрын
Delivery drivers are statically in more danger than police.
@Hippiekinkster
@Hippiekinkster Жыл бұрын
As are roofers, fishers and hunters, loggers, groundskeepers, reuse collectors and construction helpers.
@adrianodrika
@adrianodrika Жыл бұрын
It pains me to say that, but one of the laws I agree in my country is that is illegal to Armed forces to unioniza. First of all, when armed professionals go on strike, they're not just striking, that's a mutiny. And after 5 or 6 coups, Brazil is kinda tired. Not enough to demilitarize the cops, but still...
@msc2u1
@msc2u1 8 ай бұрын
Thank you all for covering this! ❤❤❤
@jorgeson3586
@jorgeson3586 Жыл бұрын
Adam with these quality conversations with excellent guests deserve to get millions of subscribers.
@tjet34
@tjet34 Жыл бұрын
The old man in Buffalo was trying to give a pig his helmet back. One had been dropped, he picked it up and tried to give it back. The pig shoved him, then they stepped over and around him as he bled on the ground.
@CrashSable
@CrashSable Жыл бұрын
The thing that I hate about this discussion, and Adam does it here too, is that everyone who wants to get on board, recognizes there is a problem and wants it to change, claims they're willing to do their part to get it changed and brings up other examples where big changes happened to look to for examples (like slavery in this podcast), but then, despite acknowledging that slavery had to HAVE A CIVIL WAR to make those big changes happen, immediately dismisses the idea of committing to violence... You can't take violence off the negotiating table (especially against an organization that believes it has a monopoly on the right to commit violent acts) and expect them to listen to you. I'm not saying declare a civil war tomorrow and start executing police in the street, but if that's not on the table as a level of the negotiation that you're willing to commit to (backed up by the power to do so, which is gained through the number of people in the movement AND THE WILLINGNESS TO GET ON BOARD), the police will never have any incentive to listen to the changes you're going to ask for even if those changes would massively benefit them. Anytime the police see you saying you want change but aren't willing to commit to violence, all they see is a disorganized group that can never pose a threat to them or enact any sort of change. You have to at least be able to say "if it comes to that, if it's the very last option we're given and there's no avenue left to talk it out, I will be willing to take up arms with the rest of you" otherwise you're actively harming every possibility we can ever have to sort this mess out.
@angelehrlich1291
@angelehrlich1291 Жыл бұрын
This is a good point. I feel the same way about Target removing pride merch because those opposed threatened those who support. In the United States, those who will act on and threaten violence have a negotiation tool that people with a strong ethical and moral code will not.
@CrashSable
@CrashSable 11 ай бұрын
@@angelehrlich1291 I don't agree that there is any correlation between an unwillingness to commit violence and possession of a strong ethical and/or moral code
@andrewtorrens7790
@andrewtorrens7790 Жыл бұрын
Have malpractice suits stopped people from becoming doctors? Have people stopped becoming nurses because they can be found responsible for gross negligence? So why shouldn't police be accountable?
@AMReed8
@AMReed8 Жыл бұрын
Yup. My relative is a cop. They said that it's the police unions that shield cops from accountability.
@mac23806
@mac23806 Жыл бұрын
Thank you adam for bringing this topic up ive been saying this for years but glad you are making your community more aware
@stoodmuffinpersonal3144
@stoodmuffinpersonal3144 Жыл бұрын
I'm white and privledged but like. Lived through these and so many mass shootings. Like. How can people vote or defend the status quo when it's so clearly broken?
@OsirisMalkovich
@OsirisMalkovich Жыл бұрын
The short answer: racism The long answer: racism with extra steps
@ShanaGarrett
@ShanaGarrett Жыл бұрын
They are really saying that "no one will want to be police officers" if they can be sued? The people afraid of being sued before they ever sign up are scared because THEY KNOW THEY WILL DO ILLEGAL SHIT on the job. yo would actually be excluding the bad actors.
@LJCyrus1
@LJCyrus1 Жыл бұрын
Law & Order in the Jim Crow South would be a really f'd up show. "Guilty, 5 years or until death in the mines, whichever comes first." "What am I guilty of?" "Doesn't matter, we'll come up with something. Oh, and while you're in the mines we'll probably charge you with something else so we can keep you as free labor. Free for us, I mean."
@adambirch6466
@adambirch6466 Жыл бұрын
Nothing happens to cops when they violate our rights because the system considers violating our rights to be the cops' job. Let's just be clear. Cops exist to oppress citizens in the service of our rulers. This is why rich people do whatever they want and nobody ever does anything about it. Like statistically speaking. This is why cops could just march into the woods in Atlanta, perform an extrajudicial execution on an unarmed man, and nothing will happen to them. Look into the private prison system and how many prisoners are enslaved by companies like McDonald's, Microsoft, IBM, Walmart, and more.
@adambirch6466
@adambirch6466 Жыл бұрын
During the protests in Portland a U.N. investigation found that if an army used the same amount of tear gas during a war it would have been considered a war crime.
@Praisethesunson
@Praisethesunson Жыл бұрын
Bro you spitting strait fire 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@jurrell1986
@jurrell1986 Жыл бұрын
in the case with the old man who hit his head, he wasnt protesting, he was trying to return a helmet that one of the officers dropped and they were so in cop mode that they just pushed him aside and that was enough force that he fell, then when one of the cops tried to help him the rest yelled "leave him" and just stepped over him. he wasnt protesting, he wasnt causing a problem he was just simply just trying to return a helmet thats what makes it so bad, he was just trying to be nice.
@OsirisMalkovich
@OsirisMalkovich Жыл бұрын
Only the unjust would ever worry about "too much justice."
@damham5689
@damham5689 Жыл бұрын
At least in part is because they are gangs that have been elevated to deities by many. Also because if they are held accountable they lose their jobs, the cities have to pay out millions in settlements or court awards, and mostly because even good cops protect bad cops because they are gang mentalities.
@andrewphilos
@andrewphilos Жыл бұрын
When doctors were misplacing tools, operating on the wrong people, and otherwise doing horrible malpractice, they started instituting stuff like procedural checklists and making sure anyone could speak up if they had concerns (rather than the surgeons bullying the assistants into silence). Of course, they only did that because when they failed, they got sued up the wazoo.
@chaosking911
@chaosking911 Жыл бұрын
It's like some sort of dark magic, according to rumors, if you hold people accountable for their actions, they do do less of the corruption thingymabob.... Must be some sort of communist propaganda 🙄
@daviddivad5202
@daviddivad5202 Жыл бұрын
Smart people like doctors and surgeons make checklists and try to learn more and do better, unfortunately they are talking about the police here :D
@andrewphilos
@andrewphilos Жыл бұрын
@@daviddivad5202 My point was that it isn't intelligence, but being held responsible for mistakes.
@kellywalker1664
@kellywalker1664 Жыл бұрын
The thing is the settlements came out of the hospital and practitioners' pockets. Settlements for police incidents come out of the taxpayers' pockets. Feel free to connect the rest of the dots.
@chaosking911
@chaosking911 Жыл бұрын
@@kellywalker1664 and I say, give the thin blue line something to be proud off, being held accountable (criminally and civilly) at a higher standard than a citizen, you know like in a normal country, with real laws and not BS crap to divvy up the country's coffers and murder a couple of people while they at it.
@kevinmhadley
@kevinmhadley Жыл бұрын
The worst incident of this police being immune from their actions is when, once again, they were at the wrong house. The police fired a flash-bang grenade into the house which landed in a baby's crib (maybe a toddler?) which caused the child lifelong disfigurements and future disabilities. They also did extensive damage to the house. The family got nothing. I'm not sure there was even an apology from any of the officers.
@LavenderGooms
@LavenderGooms Жыл бұрын
People who say "just one bad apple" to defend the rest always forget the second half: "spoils the bunch". And then the 'bad apple' is almost never removed.
@spcglider
@spcglider Жыл бұрын
The system REWARDS the mis-treatment of the vulnerable. These officers, judges, etc., need to show they are "effective" at their jobs in order to maintain their power. The vulnerable, the weak, the societally disadvantaged, are all THE EASIEST TARGETS to do that. Once somebody realized this, it was almost a foregone conclusion that, legislatively and practically, this mode of operation would be reinforced and supported by those in power. Then it is never addressed as a matter of justice by subsequent generations of officers, judges, etc., because WHY? It works well for THEM. And every so often they have to sacrifice one of their number to the masses. In the final calculation, thats absolutely worth it. And you're talking about a mindset that easily de-humanizes entire segments of society. They won't feel a single twinge over throwing one of their number to the wolves. All they have to do is make a little show of regret and give lip service to the rule of law and then walk away to continue the system.
@NevTheDeranged
@NevTheDeranged Жыл бұрын
Funny how the cops never "accidentally" bust into one of those good ol' boy with a huge gun collections' house and get into a firefight, it's always some poor shlub in his boxers watching netflix with a bag of doritos and some kids crying in the next room.
@MrZer093
@MrZer093 Жыл бұрын
Why would they break into their friends’ houses?
@javi7636
@javi7636 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic discussion, it really goes to show how ingrained our current oppressive systems are. And in fact it's because of this inertia that we need to focus on fostering the alternatives to policing instead of trying to reform the existing system. Reforming the police is a sisyphean task--it's a horrible uphill battle, and when you make progress you have to keep spending energy making sure politicians don't reverse it back. Instead we need to create community initiatives to address public safety, and we need to convince local governments to fund and otherwise support those initiatives. As a personal anecdote, I grew up in a violent neighborhood--it was not uncommon to hear gunshots at night, and to this day I will never forget the various street-side memorials made over the years for kids who died because of a simple neighborhood disagreement. And it was this neighborhood that was completely transformed by a grassroots effort to clean it up (both literally and figuratively). My parents started talking to our neighbors about these huge problems, and over the course of mere months they formed a volunteer community association that brought everyone together. They had events to clean up trash off the sidewalks, they had social gatherings like cookouts, they prevented crime by simply having a friendly face on the street to talk to and to de-escalate confrontations. It WORKED. After operating for a bit they even reached out to the local police force to support the initiative, where they agreed--as a community--on times where they DID want an armed officer patrolling and warding off the more violent offenders. And soon after that, we even had the mayor visit and publicly support the community initiative! It was transformative to have an actual positive relationship with the police and with government. But I can't stress this enough, the vast majority of the change happened from neighbors simply coming together and helping each other out. It took time, but within the space of a couple years the violent crime disappeared, litter was eliminated, and children were free to play outside without worry. We need more of that!!
@anselmenator
@anselmenator Жыл бұрын
Exclude everyone who has never had a negative interaction with the police from the jury pool!
@willemjacobson3697
@willemjacobson3697 Жыл бұрын
If there are too many bad apples, the tree is rotten.
@TB86000
@TB86000 Жыл бұрын
Should police have unions? Yes. But their municipal contracts should require that the union carries general liability and malpractice insurance to cover the damage the massive liabilities that police misbehavior causes. Brutal policing equals higher general liability insurance charges coming directly out of cops pay. Maybe they'd begin to police their own better if it cost them not to. Those contracts should also require them to be local residents. That alone would cut down on abuse.
@ThetrueIronknife
@ThetrueIronknife 11 ай бұрын
Add to this discussion our for-profit prison system and the fact that convicts have a nearly impossible feat of getting hired for a job; and the "system" is even worse.
@Nathankinamorh
@Nathankinamorh Жыл бұрын
I personally know folk who were straight up shot by police, and nothing was done.
@Praisethesunson
@Praisethesunson Жыл бұрын
Well duh. You are a poor. So the people who died were probably poor's too. Poor's have no right. You are just kept in a cage big enough that you don't notice it much.
@grantadamson3478
@grantadamson3478 Жыл бұрын
You need to move.
@MasterOfBaiter
@MasterOfBaiter Жыл бұрын
Almost like the state always has a class character and the police are not there to serve any concept like order or justice but instead crack down on any and all attempts to change things
@brye687
@brye687 Жыл бұрын
When the bad apples are killers... saying there is just one bad apple 🍎 on the police force, is like saying there's just one serial killer in the orchard. I'd sooner burn the orchard to the ground than go apple picking! So maybe we need to re-think how policeing is done in America.
@NietzscheIsDead
@NietzscheIsDead Жыл бұрын
With regards to why this is still happening more than 100 years after Reconstruction: It is worth noting that, because Supreme Court Justice is a lifetime appointment, we are only six Justices removed from Reconstruction (Stephen Field Johnson, served 1861-December 1897; Joseph McKenna, served January 1898-1925; James Clark McReynolds, 1914-1941; Hugo Black, 1937-1971; Byron White, 1962-1993; and Clarence Thomas, 1991 and still serving). With all but the first two Justices, those tenures all overlap by as many as nine years. Really drives home why the Court is so conservative with regard to the changing times.
@doomrot
@doomrot Жыл бұрын
Judges who sign off on these no-knock raids to the wrong address should be held accountable as well. Side note - @Adam I'd love for you to cover Civil Forfeiture.
@Praisethesunson
@Praisethesunson Жыл бұрын
​@@shoveIWage theft is the largest form of theft in the U.S by a massive margin. But that's fine because it is the rich stealing from suckers like you.
@kellywalker1664
@kellywalker1664 Жыл бұрын
​@@shoveI to be fair to Brandon Credit Cards, the law was passed to crack down on drug cartels, but just morphed into a cop klepto orgy.
@doomrot
@doomrot Жыл бұрын
@@kellywalker1664 Ed Zachery. Cops exploit this and steal hard earned cash form every day citizens with their qualified immunity for personal gain. It should be abolished.
@Cavemanner
@Cavemanner Жыл бұрын
The problem is that the warrants are for the correct address, but the cops just can't or won't fully read the warrants to get the right address. In the Henri Louis case they discussed at the beginning the cops had the correct address on the warrant but didn't actually fully read the warrant and just raided a random house on the same street.
@bertbaker7067
@bertbaker7067 Жыл бұрын
Unfun fact: the cop who murdered Daniel Shaver, while he was on his knees begging for his life, is getting $2500/month disability for the PTSD he developed after murdering Daniel Shaver
@angelehrlich1291
@angelehrlich1291 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this really disgusting fact. ):
@Hippiekinkster
@Hippiekinkster Жыл бұрын
You know what the POS had engraved on his AR-15? "YOU ARE F*CKED". I saw the documentary on that freaking travesty. That was an execution. Mesa PD had fired him, them hired him back so he could get his "reward".
@tyleremery7088
@tyleremery7088 11 ай бұрын
Thanks, I hate it.
@mollylong3571
@mollylong3571 5 ай бұрын
Late comment, but it should also be noted that he had "get fucked" engraved on the weapon he killed Daniel with.
@bertbaker7067
@bertbaker7067 5 ай бұрын
@@mollylong3571Good point. I remember seeing pictures of the engraving, gave me an impression that he wanted to use it, like he was excited about the possibility of shooting someone.
@renatocorvaro6924
@renatocorvaro6924 Жыл бұрын
If the people charged with enforcing the rules aren't held accountable to those rules, then the rules are unethical. Unethical rules need to be ignored or changed.
@kristinsewell1441
@kristinsewell1441 Жыл бұрын
How do you NOT see the police as the arm of the state when they are wearing uniforms of the state, carrying orders issued by the state, being paid by the state to enforce the laws of the state? How is anything they do an exception to the constraints of the constitution? In what world can they be seen as independent actors not part of a system? They are by definition, elements of a system! And the Court arguing that allowing people to sue the police would overburden the system with lawsuits points to the system's approval of their behavior. The argument is the answer. This is systemic and it would overwhelm the system to address it!
@timothysatyr6674
@timothysatyr6674 Жыл бұрын
I was collateral damage in a police chase in Vallejo California. They chased a person who stole a car into me. Totalled my car and gave me severe brain damage. The insurance company barely covered the car, and the Solano courts wouldn't respond to any of my emails letters or calls. Was unable to find a lawyer to take my case. Might have to do with this happening right when the pandemic started. Either way what I learned was that in California there's a law that the police are not responsible for any damages if they cause in the pursuit of their duty ? Long story short i ended up losing everything and becoming homeless as a result.
@ChaunaDixon-he4pp
@ChaunaDixon-he4pp 7 ай бұрын
Im sorry that happened to you and hope youre progressing in your recovery. Unfortunately I think most states, if not all, have this rule. It falls under qualified immunity. I am subscribed to The Institute for Justice an watched a video where they damn near blew a woman's house up after they chased a walmart shoplifter inside her home while she was away. Her house was condemned & I don't think they even offered a hotel room. Throw it all away😡
@joeycooper7594
@joeycooper7594 Жыл бұрын
My god not only have the apples gone bad, they've turned them into cider and now are drunk off the power.
@z.s.7992
@z.s.7992 Жыл бұрын
The union bargaining for less transparency allows them to just steal what they are not making in overtime while they sit their playing candy crush in their car...or stealing drugs, or protecting drug dealers...etc
@cmidnite
@cmidnite Жыл бұрын
Settlements for police misconduct should be paid from the police pension fund not by tax payers. That may give them an incentive to clear out those "bad apples" vs hide them behind the blue wall.
@rhythmandblues_alibi
@rhythmandblues_alibi Жыл бұрын
Consistently excellent conversations on this channel, love it. Super glad to have found it! 👌
@jimmy4148
@jimmy4148 Жыл бұрын
"me and my buddies investigated what me and my buddies did and we found out we did nothing wrong"
@TheJacyn313
@TheJacyn313 Жыл бұрын
As per your assumption at the beginning of the episode regarding the military, I can assure you that the US military does not have any doctrine, or protections in the vein of qualified immunity. Quite the opposite actually. We have a obligation to refuse any order that we know or reasonably believe to be illegal and if we go through with the order we are culpable for any repercussions that arise from the fallout. So for example if we're ordered to fire on unarmed civilians we are duty bound to disobey that order. If we do it and an investigation finds out we shot unarmed non-combatants then the officer who issued that order will face the strongest punishment but everyone who pulled the trigger will received judicial punishment up to and often including a bad conduct discharge and incarceration in a military prison. The deal cops have is unique to them. Edit: I could fix police misconduct: every settlement from lawsuits against officers comes out of their pensions. So if officer itchy trigger harms someone all of his officers are on the hook for the millions. The problem will sort itself out.
@eenernanis2664
@eenernanis2664 Жыл бұрын
duty bound not to shoot unarmed civilians? you know everyone knows the U.S military is literally a war crimes dispensary right?
@kariharris7006
@kariharris7006 Жыл бұрын
I blame Police Administration for not training police officers correctly. My father was a police officer for 30 years and never shot anyone. He was trained in negotiations, psychology, hand to hand combat, and to disarm perps versus shooting them. Dad was a sharpshooter too with many trophies from decades of contests, but he only owned a 38 special. He used that gun as a psychological tool instead of a weapon. I trained in self defense, martial arts, and learned disarming techniques because my police officer father wanted me to be safe lol. Now, I wear a light jacket, a t-shirt, and a tank top. Why? Because clothing is a great way to shield yourself, wrap it around a weapon, and get control of the weapon. Trying to fight a weapon with another weapon is when it gets dangerous, which is what modern police forgets. Taking away a small amount of police funding to put that into mental health centers and professionals that go out into the field w/the police to help with encounters with individuals in a mental health crisis would be a small price to pay if we can save a lot of lives. I've been a bouncer, had a bunch of weapons pulled on me, and never had to use deadly force. 90% of the time I could talk them out of it. Like hey, if you leave right now, I won't call the cops. After that, if they wanted to fight me, I'd disarm them, detain them, and turn them over to the police. Its not necessary to kill someone. If someone was very aggressive with a firearm, using pepper spray quickly a short distance from their face as a distraction, I'll pull the gun out of their hand/s, drop the bullets, and then drop the gun. Its not hard. We have too many police officers that are former military and they are treating Americans like their enemy in combat. That's not cool. Its like we're living in a police state.
@cassieoz1702
@cassieoz1702 Жыл бұрын
USA has been militarising the various polices forces for many years which has to be affecting their sense of invincibility.
@Praisethesunson
@Praisethesunson Жыл бұрын
Well yeah. Murica is more unequal now than it was in the 1920's. The rich know the filthy poor's will do something about it eventually. So the rich armed the Murican pigs with the leftovers from the imperial projects the rich wage on the rest of the world. The rich are waging class war on you everyday.
@otakushinsaku
@otakushinsaku Жыл бұрын
I support the Defund the Police movements because I believe that the current system of policing is ineffective, unjust and harmful to many communities. For example, studies have shown that the police disproportionately target and harass people of color, immigrants, homeless people and LGBTQ+ people. The police also often use excessive force and violence against peaceful protesters, journalists and bystanders. Moreover, the police fail to prevent or solve many crimes, especially those involving sexual assault, domestic violence and hate crimes. I think that instead of spending billions of dollars on militarizing and expanding the police force, we should invest in social services, education, health care and community-based alternatives that can address the root causes of crime and violence. For instance, we could fund mental health counselors, drug treatment programs, housing assistance, restorative justice initiatives and community mediators. I do not want to abolish the police entirely, but I want to reduce their role and power in society and hold them accountable for their actions. I think that by defunding the police, we can create a safer and more equitable society for everyone. PS: ACAB ✊
@stolasamon-seere5319
@stolasamon-seere5319 Жыл бұрын
Qualified immunity is based on an interpretation of law, it's not set in stone. It can be undone.
@Praisethesunson
@Praisethesunson Жыл бұрын
Why would the rich restrict their rule over you plebs?
@stolasamon-seere5319
@stolasamon-seere5319 Жыл бұрын
@@Praisethesunson Because they don't rule everybody, pleb. That's the government, and last I checked it's by the people for the people, pleb. You have no idea who I am and I don't think you want to know, as I've already done my fair share to poison the well of the oligarchs and you're seeing it's effects on international news. Sit down. Be humble. Pleb.
@mknightyt
@mknightyt Жыл бұрын
Not with a Supreme Court Justice bought and paid for by a individual businessman
@stolasamon-seere5319
@stolasamon-seere5319 Жыл бұрын
@@mknightyt Indeed, though I still don't think it ethical and therefore it shouldn't be allowed.
@Craxin01
@Craxin01 Жыл бұрын
My grandfather once had the police called on him for firing a pellet gun to scare squirrels away from our pecan tree. They were told he was firing a firearm, not a pellet gun that couldn't even kill a squirrel at point blank range. They were actually quite reasonable aside from one VERY green new officer that put his hand on his sidearm and ordered me to take my hands out of my pockets. I was wearing knit shorts that couldn't hold a bag of M&Ms without falling down, much less a weapon. Yeah, I'd say I had one event that makes me worry about how much power police have.
@grantadamson3478
@grantadamson3478 Жыл бұрын
So the police turn up where they can reasonably assume that someone has a potentially lethal firearm. And they were probably scared and overly cautious. Well sunshine what would you have done if you thought you were entering a property where a potentially lethal firearm was being discharged by someone you didn't know.
@futurecaredesign
@futurecaredesign Жыл бұрын
This is a case where George Carlin's "It's a big club, and you ain't in it!" goes for another group than rich people.
@Praisethesunson
@Praisethesunson Жыл бұрын
I mean, cops get to do this because they are the club the rich use to beat you over the head.
@steamyrobotlove
@steamyrobotlove Жыл бұрын
It's pretty indicative of the corruption in your policing system when my first thought at any new Adam Conover video is "I hope he and his guest aren't harassed/do survive after this."
@Praisethesunson
@Praisethesunson Жыл бұрын
The LAPD is one of the largest gangs in the United States.
@steamyrobotlove
@steamyrobotlove Жыл бұрын
@@Praisethesunson Right on, sun bro.
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