Why COUNTER Picks DON’T MATTER in LOW ELO! - Top Guide

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@skillcapped
@skillcapped 3 жыл бұрын
What do you think is the hardest matchup to play in League of Legends?
@shopkeeperboris1254
@shopkeeperboris1254 3 жыл бұрын
Garen vs quinn
@justfinn7605
@justfinn7605 3 жыл бұрын
Veigar vs katarina
@Strobberie
@Strobberie 3 жыл бұрын
Yasuo vs everyone
@CrittingOut
@CrittingOut 3 жыл бұрын
Yuumi mid vs zed = D
@gigachad6050
@gigachad6050 3 жыл бұрын
yasuo vs sett/renekton
@nguyengiahuy1547
@nguyengiahuy1547 3 жыл бұрын
the plat riven literally lose so ez because she has no skin
@stevene1643
@stevene1643 3 жыл бұрын
Skintimidation is real.
@kinganonymous2672
@kinganonymous2672 3 жыл бұрын
Skin = ez fundamentals
@sproutdood
@sproutdood 3 жыл бұрын
skin = skills
@pupip55
@pupip55 3 жыл бұрын
@@stevene1643 Specially miss fortune arcade skin, damn does that skin throw me off so hard or soraka when she not playing the same skin as i use on her
@oncejedzkie1816
@oncejedzkie1816 3 жыл бұрын
Arcade riven👌👌
@wildcaveman5310
@wildcaveman5310 3 жыл бұрын
What I learned here was study every single lane matchup super well and you will be able to crush anything. In other words git gud and earn high elo in the process…
@boguinator
@boguinator 3 жыл бұрын
Thats a summary of all the videos in this channel
@Goondius
@Goondius 3 жыл бұрын
fundamentals should be more than enough at the start. that and champion mastery.
@younishmani5560
@younishmani5560 3 жыл бұрын
I am in silver ELO when it comes to lane fundamentals when I am playing my main champ which is fiora I never knew that what I did instinctively was so important and was the reason for me never losing lane but it made me understand that I have trash macro because no matter how well I play laning phase I manage to lose almost most of my games
@gh0stluv979
@gh0stluv979 3 жыл бұрын
Ban Yi in bronze you win more games
@nataliaikramikramnatalia6468
@nataliaikramikramnatalia6468 3 жыл бұрын
@@gh0stluv979 yi is trash
@denvercoker4804
@denvercoker4804 3 жыл бұрын
"...in LOW ELO" First video, Plat ...I feel attacked
@CastelAhri
@CastelAhri 3 жыл бұрын
Actually, Platinum is considered low elo not until you reached around Platinum 1 up. The reason is that platinum is in between gold and diamond and there's no "average" or mid elo.
@elementalgolem5498
@elementalgolem5498 3 жыл бұрын
@@CastelAhri dia is considered low elo too... dia 1 qnd up is considered high elo. Maybe its possible to call all dia high elo on other servers? Like euw, korea and china
@overpoweredjelly3513
@overpoweredjelly3513 3 жыл бұрын
Statisticly it is mid elo but if you are not plat 2 or higher you are low elo . People in plat 4 are legit lucky gold players that had a good team here and there or smurf jungler or enemy went afk etc . And thats how they got to plat . And these types of players with usually be plat 4 no more than 30 lp . Actual plat 4 players still suck but are better than gold 1 V2 ones
@CastelAhri
@CastelAhri 3 жыл бұрын
@@elementalgolem5498 like what @overpowered said, statistically speaking plat 1 or above are the ones you can consider being high elo. Don't try to relate other servers to each other because each server is primarily different. We all know that there are servers with higher skill cap than the latter. It still consider being high elo once you reach at least P1 to Diamond and up. Remember, people living in these tiers had something in common that is why they are there, same with what Hector said earlier, and in the past videos. "It is easy to determine the elo/rank of the players just by spotting how they play." Truly, if you reached near diamond, it's probably not luck at all because the reason we are hard stuck at some specific tiers is because of our gameplay. Like what this channel always remind us, "play like a challenger to reach challenger/climb higher ranks."
@SheepeyDarkness
@SheepeyDarkness 3 жыл бұрын
Actually that game is in LAN. Plat in LAN = Bronze NA ( not actually but you get the idea ). Incredibly dishonest.
@ow3nmahp935
@ow3nmahp935 3 жыл бұрын
it is just me or does Hector get more and more aggressive in his speech in recent videos hope those hell elo is not getting to our poor Hector
@darrenn713
@darrenn713 3 жыл бұрын
It is because this is Mcbaze
@riverfu889
@riverfu889 3 жыл бұрын
In fact, this is McBaze, the aggressive one. You should watch his stream to get used to it.
@ow3nmahp935
@ow3nmahp935 3 жыл бұрын
ohhhhhhh mb
@grrumakemeangry
@grrumakemeangry 3 жыл бұрын
@@riverfu889 „the aggressive one“ 😂😂😂
@SeroSish
@SeroSish 3 жыл бұрын
That Yi was so troll that he even swaped teams in 3:31
@zetax7397
@zetax7397 3 жыл бұрын
I thought I was the only one that saw that 😂
@georgekyriakou278
@georgekyriakou278 3 жыл бұрын
@@zetax7397 me too😂😂😂😂😂
@omarvalencia8863
@omarvalencia8863 3 жыл бұрын
Best comment ever
@lazzz122
@lazzz122 3 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha wtf
@martinzuniga6605
@martinzuniga6605 2 жыл бұрын
Lmaooo
@kelvinlo4812
@kelvinlo4812 3 жыл бұрын
It is a great tutorial for top lane. But there is one thing I've noticed. In 4:23 Riven made a huge mistake by walking away, but I think it is not because she doesn't know she can take advantage of having a huge wave, it is because she is too afraid of being ganked, you can see that she just walk away for warding. I know Riven is capable of winning trade and then walk away immediately. That mistake is mostly due to the lack of knowledge of the strength of Riven(Mobility&Burst)
@Foatizenknechtl
@Foatizenknechtl 3 жыл бұрын
same as when renekton didnt punish her at first. he just wasnt sure if he gets ganked bc riven walked up like a retard into 7 minions
@kelvinlo4812
@kelvinlo4812 3 жыл бұрын
@@Foatizenknechtl Yeah, and thats fun
@devianalvis2178
@devianalvis2178 3 жыл бұрын
@@kelvinlo4812 You could see Riven have her ward up (The fact that since the beginning there was no ward placed) She could place a deep ward and shove the wave into tower. She also has 2 levels advantage over Renek
@kelvinlo4812
@kelvinlo4812 3 жыл бұрын
@@devianalvis2178 She has a deep ward huh. Then she did make a mistake.
@ElectricFirechu
@ElectricFirechu 3 жыл бұрын
Fyi, she 1v2s there and gets both kills if the jungler is there. While it id true that nocturne is there, and renemton has red buff, riven has two levels on renekton and a huge minion wave. I do believe it is likely that she was scared, but she didnt need to be scared cuz if the jungler ganked, its a double kill
@avatarinega656
@avatarinega656 3 жыл бұрын
I love how you guys teach us fundamental and not "how to play" I successfully stomp my lane lvl 3 just because low elo do what they do
@usurpererenyeagar4587
@usurpererenyeagar4587 3 жыл бұрын
why doesnt this happen to me in low elo i get countered they just keep waiting for thier jngler for somefucking reason even tho they counter me and i just lose lane
@ozanilbuu
@ozanilbuu 3 жыл бұрын
@@usurpererenyeagar4587 Because you are low elo
@mattheusspoo
@mattheusspoo 3 жыл бұрын
machups ARE relevant on low elo because both are low elo and both do fundamental mistakes, and thus, the advantage that one champion has over another stays the same. You can beat your counter if you play better than him, but the matchups are still relevant. If you are at the same skill and knowledge of the enemy, playing darius vs yasuo will always give darius the win.
@daniel-vq2rh
@daniel-vq2rh 2 жыл бұрын
Depends on what defines the counter matchup. If it's due to fundamental damage types/core mechanics, sure. If it's more nuanced, like popping specific ability combo's which can dodge skill shots (and which would need to be accounted for with player skill floor) , for example, then it would be negligible.
@ThunderCommanderCH
@ThunderCommanderCH 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all the informative videos! What i currently struggle with is how to create my own gameplan in lane for each matchup ...
@garciavashchino1
@garciavashchino1 3 жыл бұрын
Respectfully: YORICK MAIN: I would like you to play Yorick VS an Irelia and say counter pick won't matter. Every Irelia dumpsters me from point A to Point ZeeZee!!
@ShauryaRaikkonen
@ShauryaRaikkonen 3 жыл бұрын
Unless you're Diamond or above.... You can win the matchup with enough practice.
@mohamadzakaria96
@mohamadzakaria96 3 жыл бұрын
@@ShauryaRaikkonen this is total BS and u never tried that before. This one of the matchups that if a player plays with their feet, they will still win it. Stop parroting everything you hear because that won't make u look more smart.
@mohamadzakaria96
@mohamadzakaria96 3 жыл бұрын
@@ShauryaRaikkonen BTW if this challenger Mcbaze guy wins with Yorick vs Irelia matchup in D4, I will quit this game for good.
@ShauryaRaikkonen
@ShauryaRaikkonen 3 жыл бұрын
@@mohamadzakaria96 Dude, to a diamond player, a silver player does look like he's playing with his feet. Not parroting, it's the reality low elo morons will refuse to accept and they always remain low elo because of this. Also did I not say Diamond and above for high elo? Or are you also trying to read comments with your feet?
@mohamadzakaria96
@mohamadzakaria96 3 жыл бұрын
@@ShauryaRaikkonen I will simplify my comment to require only 2 braincells to understand and then I will wait to see if u can justify your comment. Diamond 4 to a challenger player is like silver to a Plat player. My idea is that some matchups are unplayable even with this large of a skill gap. And no diamond 4 is not high elo. It's mid elo where people have good game knowledge and solid fundamentals but don't excute very well compared to actual high elo players. Your statement is straight up BS. U have no idea what u r talking about regardless if u r parroting the guy or u decided to come up with some random BS of your own doesn't matter. To make it extra simple for you to understand, take the Darius vs Maokai matchup as an example, assuming both jungler decide to play Bot side. In Bronze, both players would walk up and randomly fight. Darius will win and kill Maokai over and over because he is the stronger 1v1 champion here and that's it. Same matchup in Diamond 2, both players know how things go if they fight. Maokai will step back and respect the all in threat, while Darius will deny CS, slow push 3 waves, recall, come back and perma freez on Maokai for 15 mins. Darius ends up with 100 CS diff at 15 mins. Now not all matchups go like this because this is a turbo hard lane, but the idea stands that counters matter when both players are equally good or bad at the champion.
@rickiex
@rickiex 3 жыл бұрын
Watching these "low ELO" games makes me realize I fight alot of smurfs 🥴
@apmaz6112
@apmaz6112 3 жыл бұрын
@@sojournermathys or maybe you are not that good
@EMPCraft
@EMPCraft 3 жыл бұрын
You probably don't
@EMPCraft
@EMPCraft 3 жыл бұрын
@@sojournermathys honestly you are probably not playing against Smurfs
@cameroacameron6424
@cameroacameron6424 3 жыл бұрын
There isnt that many smurf
@rickiex
@rickiex 3 жыл бұрын
@@apmaz6112 never really said I was good, just low plat, but the smurfs are as clear as day, lvl 30-100 who hard carries and sometimes with a jg duo who camps top side and uses rift to dive you.
@CrittingOut
@CrittingOut 3 жыл бұрын
To the delusionals saying "but __ matchup is unplayable! There's no way you can win ___" No, that is a lacking on your part (assuming you are in low elo) There is a video on this channel where they pick yuumi top and win lane, there's no excuse in low elo to lose lane other than MISTAKES. Drop the ego.
@duongle1606
@duongle1606 3 жыл бұрын
I watched another vid when they picked Yummi into a Lucian mid and somehow still win
@lucykitsune4619
@lucykitsune4619 3 жыл бұрын
Okay but in my defense, 90% of my damage comes from autos and this fucking teemo saves his Q specifically for that
@d4s0n282
@d4s0n282 3 жыл бұрын
yeah, that was a amazing video to watch tbh
@mohamadzakaria96
@mohamadzakaria96 3 жыл бұрын
The entire idea is that you can win a counter matchup if u r better than the enemy, aka smurfing. The Yuumi video has a challenger playing Yuumi vs a gold Volibear. If u r a gold player playing in gold elo, you are not better than the enemy. If u think just because a challenger player smashed some gold players that counters don't matter, u r the delusional one.
@mohamadzakaria96
@mohamadzakaria96 3 жыл бұрын
TLDR: Counter matchups are MOSTLY hard if u and your enemy equally good or bad regardless of rank.
@soccerdude9784
@soccerdude9784 3 жыл бұрын
I tend to roll my eyes at videos with titles like this but this was explained well and the stress on fundamentals changed my mind.
@saratonin3889
@saratonin3889 3 жыл бұрын
For matchup perspective: I play both champions, and lvl 1 if the renekton takes q before walking into the lane they're trolling. Riven does win the lvl 1 super hard so the only way renekton can survive that trade is with w, dont level any ability till you see how your opponent is playing. If you know riven is hiding in the bush, respect that and hold your ability point till she moves out. If she walks towards to cheese lvl 1 then take w its your way out. If she's passive and lets you auto wave then you take q and poke her like the video shows. A lot of other matchups play like this too. You can see in the master tier matchup the renekton holds his point till he can safely acquire the bush and auto minions.
@johnbleckaustria2117
@johnbleckaustria2117 3 жыл бұрын
Visit the philippine server and you'll automatically have a compilation of low elo plays, not sure but i guarantee it
@AldoAlfredoRamirezR
@AldoAlfredoRamirezR 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I remember when my Urgot top was getting solo Kill by a Sona, and I do not even know how that happened
@mohamadzakaria96
@mohamadzakaria96 3 жыл бұрын
At the time Sona ans Soraka top were meta they were terrifying. I played Soraka top 2 times including 1 time vs GP and solo killed him 3 times. I hope that meta is never back again.
@omarvalencia8863
@omarvalencia8863 3 жыл бұрын
@@mohamadzakaria96 The darkest days of TOPlane
@slayzet4293
@slayzet4293 3 жыл бұрын
I used to play soraka top in s9 as i was bored and trying different shits. I legit 1v2 trundle and rengar (with the help of few tower shots) as soraka top building sup. Trundle had no chance at all. I poke him to deatb and when he goes in to q and auto few times, i just hit q and heal his dmg :D
@mohamadzakaria96
@mohamadzakaria96 3 жыл бұрын
I know that most of the player base are in gold and below, but I would like to see one of these guides in diamond for change. The thing is that most of people in diamond have solid fundamentals and matchup knowledge so I'm very unlikely to play vs someone who doesn't know if their champion has a better level 1 or not.
@ryujinxgaming1689
@ryujinxgaming1689 3 жыл бұрын
personally if ur playstyle fits counter picking even in low elo you have to work hard for it... i've tried this playstyle before and the ammount of champs and info you need to learn is insane... because counter picking is not always guarantee even in high elo because match ups are always volatile
@jimharper2180
@jimharper2180 3 жыл бұрын
I'm a Thresh main and have no qualms about locking in Thresh into Morgana, because I've learned that low-elo Morganas have no idea how to use their advantage.
@vladislavkaras491
@vladislavkaras491 3 жыл бұрын
Pretty informative video!
@brandonzzz9924
@brandonzzz9924 3 жыл бұрын
Can you do a macthups don't matter for bot or supp? Mainly focused on 1v2 cause the games with a good bot lane partner are easy but the "trash" players seem impossible to work with when they don't understand the fundamentals
@khtah2
@khtah2 3 жыл бұрын
Renekton looking good in the thumbnail
@tyquinbainbridge4990
@tyquinbainbridge4990 3 жыл бұрын
I am bronze and I love these guides for top It helped me see level diffs most of the time, when to strike and when to slow push. I must thank you guys deeply for the content as without it I am not be a highly punsihing dr mundo that people never expect and need there jungler to kill. Thxs love the content and keep it up.
@X33Ultras0und
@X33Ultras0und 3 жыл бұрын
This video is basically stating, if you play well more times than not, you will win even when "counter picked" don't play to win, play to play correctly. Playing to win relies on the enemy being silly. Playing to play correctly means even if you get a Grandmaster smuf, you won't be bullied into a 0/6/0 by 8 minutes type of game.
@0Bonaparte
@0Bonaparte 3 жыл бұрын
So this may just be Caitlyn knowledge coming out, but I feel that picking Vayne into Caitlyn is suicide. At least as Caitlyn it is too easy to abuse the Vayne into being unable to farm, and then killing them when they try.
@P.H.226
@P.H.226 3 жыл бұрын
it depends also on supports, you can easily play around as vayne vs cait if your supp is for example senna and enemy is soraka.
@st0rmbreaK
@st0rmbreaK 3 жыл бұрын
Bot lane isn't just the ADC in a vacuum, it's 80% reliant on the support matchup. There's no way you get to bully a Vayne/Alistar as Caitlyn/Soraka post level 2, for example. I know Soraka is a really extreme example, because there are things like Xerath, Morgana etc. that are a bit special, but the point is that you can't just look at the ADC matchup and think that you've won. If you've watched enough of SC you'd know that the engage support likes to stay healthy at level 1 to attempt an all in at level 2. You essentially have to swap from playing as the aggressor to the biggest pussy if you don't hit level 2 with at least a 2-3 minion lead before crashing it into tower. If you don't manage to crash the second wave fast enough, you've now gifted the opponent a freeze and you're yourself zoned off the wave as you're now in enemy territory. If your opponent knows this, they will try their hardest to thin it out and keep it there due to the engage pressure. If your opponent doesn't realise this, then they won't attempt to freeze, which is exactly what you want. Let the wave crash and push back, take CS safely and attempt a freeze yourself. Engage supports also generally have relic shield which means that they can help their ADC thin the wave much faster if they're paying attention. However, you can't always bank on your opponent not knowing the correct play, but instead need to be aware of the correct play, recognising when your opponent isn't making the correct play and punishing accordingly. How many times have you played bot lane against a Leona/Pyke/Thresh as/with a mage/healing support and thinking "holy shit I can't even walk up"? When that happens, a lot of people don't sit back and soak exp, they get impatient and try to make some sort of "play", die, then blame anyone but themselves. There are certain matchups whereby if you ever get to go even in CS you've already won the lane because your opponent isn't punishing you at all, such as Vayne/Sona into Draven/Leona. Sometimes, it's even fine to be down 20-30 CS if it means you stay even in levels.
@0Bonaparte
@0Bonaparte 3 жыл бұрын
@@st0rmbreaK. From my experience, a Vayne can not play the game until I screw up. However if that Vayne were Lucian she has a hundred options. If that Vayne were Xayah she would have a hundred options. If that Caitlyn were jinx, Vayne would have a hundred options. The Caitlyn matchup is the only one I feel is that degree of unplayable. Leona gives some options that alistar can not, but even so if you walk into lane knowing that as the Caitlyn you can really just abuse the Vayne and keep her behind.
@0Bonaparte
@0Bonaparte 3 жыл бұрын
@@P.H.226 in my experience I have not seen this borne out, even in that lane specifically. As I said it may just be my knowledge as a Caitlyn in that matchup being shown but, I find Vayne struggles to be relevant while Caitlyn can just accelerate through her mid game trough off of the lane
@st0rmbreaK
@st0rmbreaK 3 жыл бұрын
​@@0Bonaparte From my own experience, I think Caitlyn accelerates mainly due to her superior waveclear, not necessarily only because of her range advantage. I'm not going to say range advantage isn't significant because that would be silly, but I don't think that the only option Vayne has is to just roll over and die. I find that going Doran's Shield + an early Vamp Sceptre helps if deemed necessary. If the opponent's support is a Morgana, walking into her pool to take 1 tick of 25 damage lets the Shield's regen kick in and I get to stay healthy for almost free. I lean towards Vayne because she has more agency with her ult + Q. Caitlyn is a skillshot reliant champion meaning that most of her damage buttons can be dodged. Vayne's trading pattern of Auto-Q-Auto does a lot of damage when coupled with PTA (or occasionally Auto-Q-E) and can't be dodged outside of getting out of range; whereas Caitlyn's Q and E can be dodged and Headshot can't. Throw in a Kraken proc and that's easily 50% of any ADC's HP. If both sides are to trade Flash for Flash, Heal for Heal or even Exhaust for Exhaust, I don't really see how Caitlyn comes out on top unless Vayne severely misplays by say, tumbling onto a trap and/or not dodging Caitlyn E.
@stefanristic9245
@stefanristic9245 3 жыл бұрын
I learned it hard way but luckly it was in normals
@fabiambuiten8119
@fabiambuiten8119 2 жыл бұрын
Hey about what u said level 1 is incorrect, A good Renekton starts W vs riven and riven will always lose the trade.
@paulomoura5532
@paulomoura5532 3 жыл бұрын
whe riven backed off lvl 4 agains lvl 3 renekton at 4:00, wasn't it reasonable since she didn't know where the enemy jg was?
@KasssadinxD
@KasssadinxD 3 жыл бұрын
Huh yea but it doesn’t matter tbh he was low and his Top side buffs we’re up. So even he did gank riven probably would’ve just killed both of them since renekton is level 2 so he’s pretty much useless
@hailm1k725
@hailm1k725 3 жыл бұрын
Does me knowing every misplay the plat riven made as a bronze riven main prove that i dont suck like the jg diana said after her and mid fed enemy yasou 2 kills in first 3 min of the game?
@cocotte9104
@cocotte9104 3 жыл бұрын
Mcbaze casually stomping a Riot employee to make his guide. :)
@samibchiri1442
@samibchiri1442 3 жыл бұрын
I love how garen being counterpicked by ranged champions is never in these type of video's.
@thegrandarmy3724
@thegrandarmy3724 3 жыл бұрын
It’s because renekton vs riven is playable even though it’s hard. Whereas playing Garen vs a vayne and not dodging in champ select makes you an idiot.
@ow3nmahp935
@ow3nmahp935 3 жыл бұрын
@@thegrandarmy3724 i think it depends on the way Vayne and both jglers play? I mean theoretically if Garen surrenders the lane after the first 5 mins and beg his jg to gank then there'd still hope?
@hgjgjfjfmd
@hgjgjfjfmd 3 жыл бұрын
@@ow3nmahp935 I never get ganks against a ranged matchup sadly
@yuwei_
@yuwei_ 3 жыл бұрын
They have a melee into ranged video somewhere. Essentially it's about hitting level three and not taking poke before that.
@biggiecheese2004
@biggiecheese2004 3 жыл бұрын
@@ow3nmahp935 no the lane is literally unplayable, unless garen gets a flash cheese kill. jungle doesn't matter if both junglers are somewhat similar in skill
@mouinemhb4960
@mouinemhb4960 3 жыл бұрын
im not even plat and i know riven wins the lvl 1 fight (due to watching adrian ) so me being lower elo i knew they both made husge mistakes i would really like to see a jax vs singed or teemo or morde vs jax
@Max-yp1iw
@Max-yp1iw 3 жыл бұрын
jax vs garen
@filskm518
@filskm518 3 жыл бұрын
all that means is matchup knowledge isnt the reason youre low elo, youre missing some other aspects of the game
@mouinemhb4960
@mouinemhb4960 3 жыл бұрын
@@filskm518 yep im just rly bad LOL plus dont play the game much anymore
@j4ve58
@j4ve58 3 жыл бұрын
For me as low elo player. My biggest problem isnt lane (as i win lane almost every time) but teamfights are the problem.
@belgirgucu3248
@belgirgucu3248 3 жыл бұрын
Got it, gonna pick Veigar into Zed 👍
@JB_Hobbies
@JB_Hobbies 3 жыл бұрын
This is why I love and hate being stuck in low elo. People get so mad when they see my ezreal top pick, then their jaw hits the floor when they see how big he gets. And with that weird little island thing up there, he’s practically gank-proof as long as his E is up or close to being up. Plus, with tanks not being great meta picks this season, I don’t know why more people don’t spam ranged tops. Imo, the most annoying tops are heavy mele with a decent ranged attack because they can farm and harass with range, and they still get good all-in potential.
@Hombolicious
@Hombolicious 2 жыл бұрын
Matchups don't matter when you are way higher skill level than your opponent. Otherwise they do. The idea that we know the fundamentals and we'll be fine is fair, but you don't learn every single matchup which is favoured when powerspikes favour what champs etc without alot of time playing the champ. People are in low elo because they don't know these things and you don't just learn it overnight by watching a high elo player excute these against lowbies.
@romzen
@romzen 10 ай бұрын
Matchups and counter picking does of course matter in low elo. Maybe not as much but you cannot argue that people just always play their matchup wrong. Even if they play the matchup correct in 10% of the cases the matchup will impact the outcome. And there are some ridiculous hard counters when played optimal (i.e. play Nilah/Teemo into any auto attack based bot lane.)
@BlaxeFrost-X
@BlaxeFrost-X 3 жыл бұрын
I think the issue with levels not being "important" to the eyes of the regular player is because we don't see it's effects... Riot could fix this by showing a number on the health bar in the Hud that said "+20 HP!" or "+5 AD" every time you level up, so you have a grasp on what's happening naturally
@xallinav6026
@xallinav6026 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah... no. I think they've already dumbed down league enough for low-mid elo players xd
@BlaxeFrost-X
@BlaxeFrost-X 3 жыл бұрын
@@xallinav6026 I mean, i would love having that info at least in the champion stats, it would help me compare strenghts instead of just going "1 level higher? i think i win this"
@zreed545
@zreed545 3 жыл бұрын
The wave management is horrendous in riven vs renek first game
@Kinarmi
@Kinarmi 3 жыл бұрын
I can almost hear this riven say "GG jgl diff, no ganks for me and enemy jgl ganks top". Anyway, loved the vid for pointing out general mistakes so we low elo players can learn. Thanks skillcapped as always! ^_^
@tobiasmoller1695
@tobiasmoller1695 3 жыл бұрын
I love how u trying to point out that favored matchups not necessarily determine who wins a lane by showing in 2 of 3 examples the favored side actually winning the lane. Great editorial choice there!
@TheWindWakerr
@TheWindWakerr 3 жыл бұрын
Jax is real Rioter?
@fengliu975
@fengliu975 3 жыл бұрын
so riven goes into enemy jun to get ganked by yi and kayne? idk skillkappa that seems troll 2 mi
@thoringa9816
@thoringa9816 7 ай бұрын
Matchups don't matter only if one player is higher elo than the other. If both players are high elo then the matchup works one way, if they're both low elo that same matchup can go the other way arround since neither player can punish properly.
@elementalgolem5498
@elementalgolem5498 3 жыл бұрын
Yall keep saying match-ups dont get played properly but EuW gold-plat one tricks always abuse you in their counter matchups. They have lane phase down. You either have to actually counter pick them and play it well, or hope for good teammates
@elementalgolem5498
@elementalgolem5498 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah you point it out, heres the thing euw and na challanger is basically the same. Many na challangers have proven it by climbing up the ladder, but its the lower elos that show clear differences, plat becomes dia, gold becomes plat, etc
@martinzuniga6605
@martinzuniga6605 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I figured counters don't work in low elo when I constantly see teemo/Quinn/vayne go 1/10 vs Champs like Darius, renek, Nasus
@NovatusRSGaming
@NovatusRSGaming 9 ай бұрын
lol i just realized you played against a Riot employee, Riot HansAxel
@alfr1998
@alfr1998 3 жыл бұрын
Well yes but actualy no. When both players suck in low elo and don’t know how to play like a challenger the better matchup wins most of the time.
@ShauryaRaikkonen
@ShauryaRaikkonen 3 жыл бұрын
No shit sherlock. The point of literally the educational video is to show you that it's your league knowledge, not the matchup that is to blame for you losing.
@mohamadzakaria96
@mohamadzakaria96 3 жыл бұрын
@@ShauryaRaikkonen but if u need to be better than the enemy to win a counter matchup, then counters r actually relevant unlike what Mcbaze said here.
@ShauryaRaikkonen
@ShauryaRaikkonen 3 жыл бұрын
@@mohamadzakaria96 Stay hardstuck and keep fuming... Not interested in your sad low elo opinions when there's a statistically better player than you telling me otherwise.
@mohamadzakaria96
@mohamadzakaria96 3 жыл бұрын
@@ShauryaRaikkonen you hope to be climbing like me lol. Keep parroting mcbaze and one day u may win your D4 promo.
@Abdo.R.Mohamed
@Abdo.R.Mohamed 3 жыл бұрын
i Love that u made that clear : "Oh that Riven doesn't play like a plat player she makes trash mistakes" Yes , Watching a replying when u'r chilling and some dude explaining every mistake ofc u'r gonna be like Duuh this is obvious . but being in the game itself with no one telling u the mistakes and u being in the game no watching is a whole different thing . (if u watched your reply after a few weeks or so realize u'r doing even more mistakes)
@killa5628
@killa5628 3 жыл бұрын
How do i win with ahri against yasou he allways has shield when i q
@qnoqno6166
@qnoqno6166 3 жыл бұрын
autoattack to get his shield then wait till its down then q
@Max-yp1iw
@Max-yp1iw 3 жыл бұрын
ahri is trash tho
@KitsuNogitSune
@KitsuNogitSune 3 жыл бұрын
At level 1 on start, auto him when he goes for his first CS then keep poking with Q whenever he goes for the cs to avoid taking minion aggro till it's ready to auto him again. Force him to take the poke or lose the CS. If you can keep him around half HP, a full E-Q-W+electrocute+Ignite will kill him which is also a time you can go for an E+Flash as soon you you disable his passive again. I've personally made a Talon rage quit just by doing that really.
@baptistecochennec5956
@baptistecochennec5956 3 жыл бұрын
Auto to make his shield broke
@nishantjoshi6712
@nishantjoshi6712 3 жыл бұрын
I have heard about this tip of "you are stronger lvl 1 so play more agressive or you are weaker lvl 1 so wait till lvl 4" but how can I know if the champ I am playing is stronger lvl 1 or weak?
@LoLGoldfishy
@LoLGoldfishy 3 жыл бұрын
Play norms, trade heavily into them. That’s the brute force way. Or, be a statistical intellectual and learn how much damage your opponents lvl 1 can do compared to yours. The riven renek game for example. Renek has 1 no fury q. Riven had 3 passive procing q’s. She wins lvl 1
@baptistecochennec5956
@baptistecochennec5956 3 жыл бұрын
Try the match-up 1 time and go like a tard, or use guides, ytb, high elo games, etc or use logic most of the times it works(ex: renek is dependant of all his ability to do damage while riven main damage ability his q, Jax bloc aa which is the main damage source of irelia early, wukong e boost his aa and makes his passive stacks faster, etc...)
@webbsband1566
@webbsband1566 2 жыл бұрын
This shows champs that can train with each other, what about champs that can’t trade with their counter. I play shyvana top and I can’t ever trade with a trundle top because he always wins no matter the level
@yoyo80s41
@yoyo80s41 3 жыл бұрын
Funny how I easily found that Riven was favored LV1 but when I played this MU, I shit my pants just thinking "avoid that op counter"
@wilfredfegelein8215
@wilfredfegelein8215 3 жыл бұрын
Renekton is kinda weak until level 3 lmao
@ohlookitisacat7404
@ohlookitisacat7404 3 жыл бұрын
That title is like saying Yi cannot dominate all mages players at low elo.
@Hugex97
@Hugex97 3 жыл бұрын
Skillcapped teaches you how to prevent that by taking good decisions in lane
@peepo19
@peepo19 3 жыл бұрын
you're wrong about riven lvl1, yes she wins lvl1-2 but if and only if renekton runs conq. if the renek runs PTA with bone plating you cant walk up. aa reset of renek procs PTA and he wins all in.
@nathanaelsallhageriksson1719
@nathanaelsallhageriksson1719 3 жыл бұрын
I mean, matchups do still matter, but for different reasons, and NO WHERE NEAR AS MUCH in low elo as in high elo. In low elo you have the potential to outplayb any matchup given you are good enough, and it won't be based on "if you are lucky and they missplay". I had this argument with some friends, and in case anyone is in denial, that is the truth of it, and what people mean when tehy say taht matchups don't matter in low elo.
@quentinlauterbach
@quentinlauterbach 3 жыл бұрын
renek is supposed to skill w lvl 1 and take PTA in the matchup, then he has pressure lvl 1 and the lane is completely unplayable btw..
@slayzet4293
@slayzet4293 3 жыл бұрын
Lissandra vs pantheon matchup is literally hell. I cant do a shit vs pantheon. I rism getting into his w range by trying to auto or poke as they all have similar ranges. If he get on top of me, im pretty mucb dead or cant even retaliate coz of his e. If i play passive, he pushes and roams around the map with his ult. I've never won lane vs panth as liss. Heck his q outranges my poke.
@FM1234
@FM1234 3 жыл бұрын
If you're way better than the players you are up against counters don't matter. But if you're not, then it matters. Oh especially in low elo, people don't know matchups and just trade every time even if the matchup is horrible and just feed
@chronoseba
@chronoseba 3 жыл бұрын
Its because of the skin, first riven didnt have a skin and loss to the renekton with skin, and high elo just has better skins
@artemiswillhelm2633
@artemiswillhelm2633 3 жыл бұрын
Ty I will now counter pick my own champion
@fredericprovost562
@fredericprovost562 3 жыл бұрын
This is why I hate playing top lane. I don’t know the matchups enough and if I should be the bully or the bullied. I fill when playing with friends and every time I get top I get placed against a 500K Ilaoi who perfectly knows when to trade and when not :(
@illumine7561
@illumine7561 3 жыл бұрын
I play in garena and literally no one walks up level 1 againts a level 2. Say what you want to say but even in gold the mechanics and match up knowledge is better than what that plat riven did. And people actually save their abillities properly so that if there is a counter match up if you ingage you lose but if you dont ingage then the enemy can just do whatever. The only one that is quite bad is wave management and some teamfight decision making. But hey keep up the good work with the guides.
@baptistecochennec5956
@baptistecochennec5956 3 жыл бұрын
I can promise u I see ppl disrespecting having horrible mechanics and not knowing match-up at all in that elo
@VenomNightGaming
@VenomNightGaming 3 жыл бұрын
What about trynd vs teemo?
@Shuriman1996
@Shuriman1996 3 жыл бұрын
I liked that part where u showed Riotgames employe on jax hes place :D
@blueicer101
@blueicer101 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah try playing kayle into victor mid kayn jungle in plat, then we'll see if matchups matter.
@humanarian
@humanarian 3 жыл бұрын
The match-ups in low elo are Irelia-vent.
@NahrAlma
@NahrAlma 3 жыл бұрын
Proof: Some challenger player beats everyone in low elo. Ah, yes. So to be good in Low Elo, just be a Challenger smurf so matchups don't matter. Thank you so much.
@mohamadzakaria96
@mohamadzakaria96 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly this.
@popcornyumm
@popcornyumm 3 жыл бұрын
I mean logically you wont climb unless you are playing at a higher level than your elo
@MrTriple3D
@MrTriple3D 3 жыл бұрын
@@popcornyumm if you play like a plat and you're in gold its much harder to climb than it is for a challenger player to climb out of gold. nobody would be watching this video if they played like a challenger player
@puurplejoker273
@puurplejoker273 3 жыл бұрын
3:32 both jg on the same team :)
@SadToffee
@SadToffee 3 жыл бұрын
The Jax not even using eqe to trade lmao, doesn't even try to stack his passive properly, my man doesn't need to learn the matchup, he needs to learn his champ.
@MegaReformator
@MegaReformator 3 жыл бұрын
"only fundamentals matter" proceeds to talk about two very specific match ups only in top lane (misleading title), and assumes the matchup between champions is a fundamental as well as knowing all their abilities and their cooldowns. i play league for about 3 months now and i dont know what all the champions do/how all the mechanics work. This is not very helpful advice to improve tbh, its just a "know your stuff" advertise without real content. The real message should probably be "learn your champion and know the relevant matchups" and not a comparison without a conclusion why counterpicks dont matter. Also what is fundamental?
@popcornyumm
@popcornyumm 3 жыл бұрын
Knowing matchups is a part of fundamentals
@baptistecochennec5956
@baptistecochennec5956 3 жыл бұрын
They only talks about match up in top bc that's where match-up count the most, and those 2 match up are know to be really free
@baptistecochennec5956
@baptistecochennec5956 3 жыл бұрын
And fundamentals probably is mechanics, wave management, trading, etc
@TheAce0119
@TheAce0119 3 жыл бұрын
I think they could have made their point in this video with out being as black and white, The matchup is relevant but knowing the matchup is much more relevant.
@braindeadrat8005
@braindeadrat8005 3 жыл бұрын
Gl playing vayne+leona vs ashe+xerath or ashe+lulu
@CrittingOut
@CrittingOut 3 жыл бұрын
Matchup does not matter.
@yau7
@yau7 3 жыл бұрын
@@dragonprof9064 yeah, poor talon
@niksy80
@niksy80 3 жыл бұрын
@@yau7 talon gonna get abused, sad
@MilleFalchiJUNIOR
@MilleFalchiJUNIOR 3 жыл бұрын
why does Riven have Ziggs W hover her head at 0:40
@mushybag
@mushybag 3 жыл бұрын
I'm guessing the Ziggs W means that Renek's stun destroy/break Riven's shield
@aashas8553
@aashas8553 3 жыл бұрын
Game 1: Yi could also check state of top lane before invading and avoid dying
@dinocharlie1
@dinocharlie1 3 жыл бұрын
What why do that when he could just int and then spam ping his top laner?
@aashas8553
@aashas8553 3 жыл бұрын
Im not trying to defend either of them, because they're both at fault here
@semiautoduck7430
@semiautoduck7430 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t agree with the video at all, but appreciate the content and effort anyhow
@Marchew1200
@Marchew1200 9 ай бұрын
This riven had riven in their nickname so proboably mains riven which is hilarious
@MrReese
@MrReese 3 жыл бұрын
10:00 why didn't he just repress his E to stun?
@dinocharlie1
@dinocharlie1 3 жыл бұрын
Because you gotta dodge those autos Irelia isn't throwing out duh
@tunzaaoe
@tunzaaoe 3 жыл бұрын
NA same as EUW Kappa
@MylesTheDoctorMahajan
@MylesTheDoctorMahajan 3 жыл бұрын
I swear to God. That riven renekton looks like me.
@ryry8533
@ryry8533 2 жыл бұрын
2:43 yes but renekton had no ability's up so no
@Nhatanh0475
@Nhatanh0475 2 жыл бұрын
I still don’t even know what is count at fundamental.
@MakZkovich
@MakZkovich 3 жыл бұрын
yorik vs irelia is completely unplayable?
@yoshihasascended
@yoshihasascended 3 жыл бұрын
irelia doesnt one shot his ghouls till like mid-late game and late game irelia falls off
@TsunKnight
@TsunKnight 3 жыл бұрын
Not true. If yorick can get his walkers up and hit her with e, he wins level 2 as the walkers plus minion wave should out damage irelia
@Alaaeddine_
@Alaaeddine_ 3 жыл бұрын
@@TsunKnight like irelia would let him q the minions, now she can get full passive from 3 minions only wich technically make her win every single fight lvl 1 and she always has the push advantage.
@masaboih
@masaboih 3 жыл бұрын
That is technically the most unplayable match up yes, even skillcapped has stated it, but for it to be unplayable it still requires knowledge/skill why it is so, in low elo it is still just as coinflip as other match ups :D
@tactickvictor
@tactickvictor 3 жыл бұрын
x1.25 audio speed?
@veganchristian5127
@veganchristian5127 11 ай бұрын
I dont think fundamentals can help me beat a heim as an illaoi
@Lashrath
@Lashrath 2 жыл бұрын
5:24 "I want you to notice right off the bat how different level 1 is" - Many player's answer" I SEE IT! They have better skins".........
@devforhire
@devforhire 3 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah? Ever tried Quinn into Malphite? That matchup is completely unwinnable for Quinn no matter the Elo
@lucykitsune4619
@lucykitsune4619 3 жыл бұрын
Okay but how tf can I win against a Teemo when 90% of my damage comes from autos and he never uses his Q unless I walk up to trade with him?
@Andicus
@Andicus 3 жыл бұрын
You can bring the wave state in front of your tower, making Teemo extremely vulnerable to ganks. Or bait out his Q before going in.
@MrTriple3D
@MrTriple3D 3 жыл бұрын
trynda?
@Himekocchi
@Himekocchi 3 жыл бұрын
If matchups mattered that much Armut's Wukong wouldn't have been banned almost every time in professional play.
@zon7508
@zon7508 3 жыл бұрын
Try irelia vs Yorick, you will see some matchup truely Unplayable. basically because Yorick trade tool and 50% of his damage is free stack in the eye of irelia, and without using those tool Yorick can only basic attack Or maybe play Zed vs Zigg, Yi vs Teemo, Garen vs Quinn or Mordekaiser vs Kalista You can't just pick 2 similar laner in a somewhat skill matchup and called it COUNTER Picks DON’T MATTER... Skill matchup with disadvantage is far difference than real counter pick
@pineapplegodguy
@pineapplegodguy 3 жыл бұрын
what's hard about yi vs teemo? lv1 stack double strike, q him, auto him for a massive chunk. later flash auto him, dodge his blind with q, crongatulation teemo is dead. even if you fall behind early you still outscale him badly. only problem i see with the matchup is the jungler hardcamping yi because low elos have a boner for yi players.
@baptistecochennec5956
@baptistecochennec5956 3 жыл бұрын
Riven vs renek is considered a doomed match-up btw u are just using some really special match-up with champ that have special interaction(irelia VS yorick), or that doesn't belong to the same lane (yi vs teelo, kalista morde kaiser to an extend also) and what's the problem with zed and ziggs Idk the match-up and I'm curious
@zon7508
@zon7508 3 жыл бұрын
Isn't "doesn't belong to same lane" mean they specially pick it just to get you? anyway i just sum up some matchup that i read in the below commend for example, i mostly play juggernaut top so i only have experience with their match up Imo counter match up with special interaction suck as Ire vs Yorick or unfair like Kalista vs Morde do point out that COUNTER Picks DO MATTER, even in the plat and bellow
@baptistecochennec5956
@baptistecochennec5956 3 жыл бұрын
@@zon7508 I mean if teemo counter yi in top and u pick yi top u are auto countering you it seems pretty stupid And yeah match-up do count especially for those with special interactions but it's an over simplification here a lots of people in the comments are like '' this video is stupid some extremely specific match-up are absolutely doomed and u can win a losing match-up only if u are better'' when the points of the video is that for most of the match-up in low elo u can win any match-up if u are better than ur opponent
@OhNoesItsDobby
@OhNoesItsDobby 2 жыл бұрын
"I kNoW tHiS iS pLaT bUt ThAt RiVeN iS tRaSh AnD sHe'S nOt PlAyInG lIkE a PlAt PlAyEr" "Yes she is and the blatant truth is you're making equally trash mistakes every single game you play." Based as fuck, instant subscription 😂
@midnight9752
@midnight9752 3 жыл бұрын
Matchups do matter in low elo, some champs are just unplayable against, im d3 but if some gold player picks katarina or sylas i cant do shit no matter what champ i pick cus of how insanely unfun and unplayable those champs are xd
@shiningshen2444
@shiningshen2444 3 жыл бұрын
Ryze is good against Katarina. She cant't play in early game so you have free lane. If she dont get kills in other lanes its free win against.
@sojournermathys
@sojournermathys 3 жыл бұрын
These videos are always very enlightening. But it also makes me realize that I play against a lot of smurfs. It also makes me think I should start playing Riven and Irelia.
@ThePadaOne
@ThePadaOne 3 жыл бұрын
Pin/love this comment guys, so everyone can see it: this is the kind of videos we really need for climbing and improving, explaining low elo vs high elo (same) matchups is extremely helpful, since the issue with making a low elo smurfing video is that the opponent plays differently sometimes (for example in the video the opponent is aggro, but in the game he isn't), and low elo players dont know how to react in a scenario they didnt see in the video. Ty Skill Capped, hope to see more of these :)
@jmb47kkamikaze80
@jmb47kkamikaze80 3 жыл бұрын
Counter play doesn't matter in low elo Me : locks in rengar top vs tryndamire and get 10 kills when he walks out of tower even when he hits 6
@wileycoyote823
@wileycoyote823 3 жыл бұрын
You play kled vs fiora and tell me matchups don’t matter.
@nolanpestano1798
@nolanpestano1798 3 жыл бұрын
just play passive xd
@beggu6795
@beggu6795 3 жыл бұрын
So it's just "hoping that the enemy doesn't how the matchup works" which is pretty much SoloQ I guess
@mohamadzakaria96
@mohamadzakaria96 3 жыл бұрын
Or just be a challenger smurfing in gold.
@galaxymeteor7046
@galaxymeteor7046 3 жыл бұрын
Riven played the lane poorly but why the hell would a Master Yi invade a Nocturne when he doesn't have toplane prio ? It's clearly a bigger mistake than Riven's early game Taking the blame for everyone's mistakes is not a good strategy, u just can't control your allies, if you try too hard you will just lose it all.
@d4s0n282
@d4s0n282 3 жыл бұрын
tbh its VERY common to do as master yi with ignite,
@TonyGGonzalez
@TonyGGonzalez 3 жыл бұрын
Hey, next Hector challenge for you. Have him die to the top laner, jungler, mid laner, and bot lane and still carry.
@Mooskittl
@Mooskittl 3 жыл бұрын
this isnt even hector
@julius-nk5ql
@julius-nk5ql 3 жыл бұрын
I aggree with everything but euw is just better in generell than na
@masaboih
@masaboih 3 жыл бұрын
There is no skill difference between servers approximately below masters, and anyone who has climbed to high elo in different regions can tell you that, but sure you can have your opinion which is based on something(?) and keep thinking that you are better than those noobs in other regions lol
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