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Why did Lee Sedol, one of the world’s best ‘Go’ players, retire from the game?

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One of the greatest ‘Go’ players of all time just retired from the game, saying that artificial intelligence programmes can play at a level humans aren’t able to. His decision has reignited discussions about AI and how we define human achievement. #AI #Go #LeeSedol #SouthKorea
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@samiam5326
@samiam5326 4 жыл бұрын
When Lee Sedol beat AlphaGo in the forth game with his 78th move, he became the only human player to reach 10th dan. Respect!
@muuubiee
@muuubiee 4 жыл бұрын
It's really amazing, just because of how powerful computers are today. Computers beat pro chess players over 20 years ago. There's been so much technological advancements since then... For him to beat such an advanced computer is just absolutely baffeling.
@frzkhrx
@frzkhrx 4 жыл бұрын
and that move is apparently called a god move
@juggernaut316
@juggernaut316 4 жыл бұрын
God move
@samiam5326
@samiam5326 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, because I believe they calculated the move had a one-in-ten-thousand chance of being played. Hence, 'God's touch' or the 'God Move.'
@MrSupernova111
@MrSupernova111 4 жыл бұрын
Is this true?
@cdh1337
@cdh1337 4 жыл бұрын
Hey I am from south korea. He actually retired cause of political matter in go organization. He just felt tired with politics. So dont waste time thinking too much. 😅😅
@kaoamii
@kaoamii 4 жыл бұрын
That's sad but also good to hear. I just watched the Alfha-Go documentary and felt so sad for him. He is a real fighter! Wish he enjoy more with his life and family.
@Mrandrecavalheiro13
@Mrandrecavalheiro13 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Still sad but i feel a lot better now ahahah
@mythopoeic8236
@mythopoeic8236 4 жыл бұрын
And you know this given that you live in North Korea? Koreans don’t get “to-be-trusted-concerning-all-koreans” immunity.
@cdh1337
@cdh1337 4 жыл бұрын
@@Mrandrecavalheiro13 I am sure he will continue to play important role for GO community, and we will not need to worry much 😁. Lets just be safe. South Korea already overcome current pandemic as of now. Hope all the other country can do the same.
@cdh1337
@cdh1337 4 жыл бұрын
@@kaoamii Indeed he himself was revolutionary player like Alphago does, and true fighter. But it's 20 years and I am sure he enjoyed GO much. He must be proud of himself since his win was achieved even though he is not at his best now. 😁
@joerogansrealmpodcast
@joerogansrealmpodcast 4 жыл бұрын
I watched the deepmind documentary, he was such a humble man in the documentary, cant believe he quit :(
@GloomGaiGar
@GloomGaiGar 3 жыл бұрын
quit professionally
@ffnovice7
@ffnovice7 3 жыл бұрын
It was politics not disparity
@crimsonitacilunarnebula
@crimsonitacilunarnebula 3 жыл бұрын
Whats the deepmind documentary?
@masonfarnsworth6730
@masonfarnsworth6730 3 жыл бұрын
Seems kinda self selfish tbh
@mareksicinski3726
@mareksicinski3726 3 жыл бұрын
lee sedol was going to retire anyway before, he had 20 years on the top and he was being surpassed by other people, this was the last challenge for him he was tired of the baduk association
@luisbanegassaybe6685
@luisbanegassaybe6685 4 жыл бұрын
lol that’s not why he retired from go. It’s primarily related to his relationship to the Korean baduk association
@navigatingel6104
@navigatingel6104 3 жыл бұрын
This video is propaganda to teach not to thin for yourself and let computers think for you.
@Chino-bk9fd
@Chino-bk9fd 3 жыл бұрын
Go on...
@macdeep8523
@macdeep8523 3 жыл бұрын
Yes , it's agenda , all.lee seedol matches were fixed , huge AMT exchGed Bern seedol and Google , Korean association also.involved innit
@bontempo1271
@bontempo1271 3 жыл бұрын
@@navigatingel6104 hmm, i can see what you mean. But i think for many, it showed that humans can overcome and should fight when there is no fight left
@techhax2272
@techhax2272 3 жыл бұрын
I was gonna say to stop playing go for this reason is to stop running because cars are faster
@kingcountyband
@kingcountyband 4 жыл бұрын
As long as he is happy and healthy I'm happy for him and his family. He is such a nice man, it was heartbreaking to watch him struggle against alpha go. And then he did the incredible, basically super human , and beat it, and not just by a little, the program behaved like it had been hit by a freight train until it finally conceded. I know nothing about the game but his humility has taught me a lot about being human.
@claudiozuniga913
@claudiozuniga913 3 жыл бұрын
Thank for your words and the respect you show to Mr. Sedol, i feel a great respect for him. He always will better than a gadget !!!!
@taylormeek6798
@taylormeek6798 3 жыл бұрын
Mr. Sedol, simply the best.
@SSGoatanks
@SSGoatanks 10 ай бұрын
This is actually really sad news - it would be like if Magnus Carlsen retired from chess. I really hope we'll see Lee make a comeback someday.
@neilreid9005
@neilreid9005 3 жыл бұрын
Am deeply impressed by Lee Sedol who will forever be a legend in the great game of Go. I disagree that we should define ourselves by what machines are capable of because by design they are intended to vastly outperform humans. Consider the massive D-11 bulldozer, cranes, trains, and an endless list of other machines. When Lee Sedol took on AlphaGo, he wasn't playing against a single entity like a human opponent; he was taking on hundreds if not thousands of engineers and a cosmically vast computed data base.
@zionlee4594
@zionlee4594 2 жыл бұрын
I know this is an old comment, but a in fairly recent interview, Lee Sedol said playing w/ AlphaGo made him somewhat change his opinions toward the game Go. He emphasized that when he was first learning Go, he valued it as a form of art and expression, and not just a game. He went on to say that playing w/ AlphaGo made him realize of the changes in the cultures surrounding the Game, and it was one of the main reasons of his retirement. Surprisingly, he doesn't play the game anymore! just once in a while.
@walkattack
@walkattack 2 жыл бұрын
Right, and Lee was also taking on a battle against tens of thousands of hours of programming, as they prepared their AI's neural network for the almost endless possibilities. Not a fair fight at all, which speaks to Lee's brain as almost beyond genius in game 4.
@Rutslane
@Rutslane 2 жыл бұрын
@@walkattack And on the side of Lee Sedol it was also not fair: having access to 9am-9pm 7days a week training for years. Poor AlphaGo, they should have given it a strong but not a legendary player in the US or EU. Now because of the unfair advantage that the human had, it had to lose game 4. I hope you see the irony.
@hannah1896
@hannah1896 Жыл бұрын
That is the thing I want to point out
@ryanpenrod1859
@ryanpenrod1859 Жыл бұрын
Exactly! I don't understand why he cares so much about a computer program beating him that he retires completely. It's like he feels that everything he accomplished in the game was worthless now because he isn't "the best," even though he definitely still is.
@jackdaniels1749
@jackdaniels1749 4 жыл бұрын
Bobby Fischer also retired from the game of chess because he said people are just memorizing moves and are not being as creative.
@krioni86sa
@krioni86sa 4 жыл бұрын
He retired because aliens abducted him for experimental reasons but he raped him and dumped him to Zimbabwe to be eaten by Giraffes.
@newheroph4257
@newheroph4257 4 жыл бұрын
@@krioni86sa is it funny?
@carmelobasco3369
@carmelobasco3369 4 жыл бұрын
@@krioni86sa cringe gtfo
@krioni86sa
@krioni86sa 4 жыл бұрын
@@newheroph4257 I'm not trying to be funny. We'll all die soon. ISIS, World War 3, viruses, biological warfare, america will soon fall.
@simonsphinx3920
@simonsphinx3920 4 жыл бұрын
@@krioni86sa I want to hear more.
@haroldbridges515
@haroldbridges515 4 жыл бұрын
Other than some of the details about Sedol himself, this whole video is nothing but vacuous blather.
@dirklitter
@dirklitter 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, you just saved me from wasting 4 minutes of my life. Ty
@jimimased1894
@jimimased1894 4 жыл бұрын
some fool watches 3 min trt videos for deep insights
@johnnysparkleface3096
@johnnysparkleface3096 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but it's really, really good vacuous blather.
@dylanharding1546
@dylanharding1546 3 жыл бұрын
Blather! Love that word!
@ffnovice7
@ffnovice7 3 жыл бұрын
From comments it seems Lee left due to Go politics instead
@exshenanigan2333
@exshenanigan2333 4 жыл бұрын
Now South Korea needs to come up with a go deep learning algorithm called Sedol to compete with AlphaGo.
@janeknox3036
@janeknox3036 4 жыл бұрын
I can do this in a one liner : if (game-outcome == "loss") { quit() }
@ffnovice7
@ffnovice7 3 жыл бұрын
@@janeknox3036 you forgot the ; and return 0; Also that's quite reductionist and dismissive. You've never watched the Alpha Go documentary, have you? You have *_ZERO_* idea what it feels like to have the burden of the entirety of human existence on your shoulders
@gnsgml11
@gnsgml11 2 жыл бұрын
@@roek7630 Well it was more like the burden of representing evreyone playing go
@CousinPaddy
@CousinPaddy 2 жыл бұрын
Legendary Go player. He didn’t know what he was getting into at the time, and for him to continue to fight as hard as he did in the face of, what he must have realized were insurmountable odds, is a credit to the human spirit.
@reploid001
@reploid001 4 жыл бұрын
he now prefers Pokemon Go
@thangmong2999
@thangmong2999 4 жыл бұрын
Bruh
@tHojthOp
@tHojthOp 4 жыл бұрын
Lol
@AbdulAzeez_9
@AbdulAzeez_9 4 жыл бұрын
Sorry for changing the 69 likes to 70
@ergenekonualkslayanliberal1077
@ergenekonualkslayanliberal1077 3 жыл бұрын
XDDD
@wizard6330
@wizard6330 2 ай бұрын
Ahhhhh
@Sofian375
@Sofian375 4 жыл бұрын
Because he had to go.
@petergailpanguito2143
@petergailpanguito2143 4 жыл бұрын
Get out, haha
@bunbunnbunnybun
@bunbunnbunnybun 4 жыл бұрын
Lol
@jidbilal6858
@jidbilal6858 4 жыл бұрын
this got me more than it should have
@yelwinaung1608
@yelwinaung1608 3 жыл бұрын
*Ba dum tss*
@user-ht5gm8om1h
@user-ht5gm8om1h 3 жыл бұрын
There is a Korean proverb, believed to have been handed down from China, that says "Leave when praised."
@scottwarren4998
@scottwarren4998 6 ай бұрын
I wish he could play some 150 games vs alpha zero go, and then be happy if he wins one game. I would be proud over such a win for sure.
@brayzgame8037
@brayzgame8037 3 жыл бұрын
Lee should have a channel...anyway, Lee you beat a computer!!! You're a f'n legend bruh!!!
@commentarytalk1446
@commentarytalk1446 Жыл бұрын
If you consider, however, the Alpha-Go/Zero/Lee computer suite of programs does not actually "understand" Go, but merely reduces it down to a refined database of probabilities per move from training incalculable times + perfect memory of the current best results from play-outs. This is reason it appears to play "super-human" because it does not use the methods humans use which involve limits of deduction + intuition heuristics - under time pressure and limited memory recall. It reminds me of the joke in the film, Groundhog Day by Bill Murray's character, Phil Connors: "Maybe the real God uses tricks. Maybe He's not omnipotent. He's just been around so long, He knows everything."
@Recordings-ov4hv
@Recordings-ov4hv 6 ай бұрын
Excellent!
@noreenalacre
@noreenalacre 4 жыл бұрын
Everyone: Why did the best 'Go' player retired? Me: To 'Stop'
@janeknox3036
@janeknox3036 4 жыл бұрын
Ronnie Alacre Nice inside baseball there. Speaking of which...how is Korean baseball different from American baseball? In Korean baseball it's one strike and you're out.
@ffnovice7
@ffnovice7 3 жыл бұрын
And collect 200$
@kittykat7908
@kittykat7908 4 жыл бұрын
now, where is hikaru when we need him the most? xD
@BattleFieldGalaxy
@BattleFieldGalaxy 4 жыл бұрын
we need Sai
@kayrin434
@kayrin434 4 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@user-wp2uh3fj3o
@user-wp2uh3fj3o 4 жыл бұрын
I followed the anime(hikaru no go) a week ago and liked the game a lot, but I don't know where to follow it. Can I find a result here?
@kittykat7908
@kittykat7908 4 жыл бұрын
@@user-wp2uh3fj3o lol who need to know the game (the rules), just watching the intense fight between hikaru and opponent makes me satisfied sometimes 😂
@user-wp2uh3fj3o
@user-wp2uh3fj3o 4 жыл бұрын
@@kittykat7908 Yes, that was great, but I wished that the chase would continue until Hikaru and Toya met at the top above everyone else. The end was a little disappointing. I wish they added other special episodes.
@risabb
@risabb 4 жыл бұрын
After all this, AI still can't find a vaccination for COVID-19!! The humanity needs that the most.
@mrbeastwithnomoney
@mrbeastwithnomoney 4 жыл бұрын
because the virus is way beyond the human capabilities . its one of a kind it replicates itself very fast, mutates very fast (this version of covid 19 virus is just updated version of that found in2008 and according to some sources 2k19 version also improved itself ) it changes its shape which has billions of probability one of the key reason we can not find vaccine or hiv as well
@slt42
@slt42 3 жыл бұрын
The reason is they did not consider the simple solution - WATER IS THE ULTIMATE VACCINE FOR ALL RESPIRATORY PROBLEMS! Just take a look at the breathing body parts - the lungs, heart and related muscles. The lungs is about 80% water, heart is 50% water but the blood plasma is 90% and muscles are 75% water. When the body becomes badly dehydrated breathing gets difficult! WHO tells you to wash your hands, wear a mask and keep anti social distancing but suspiciously avoids telling people to DRINK WATER!
@en8596
@en8596 3 жыл бұрын
@@slt42 sure, i guess WHO also never told us to sleep, breath fresh air, eat nutritious food, and kee a healthy mind.
@ffnovice7
@ffnovice7 3 жыл бұрын
It's literally Flu 2.0 just stop being fat and unhealthy when you catch it. Eat and generate vitamin D, and never get on ventilator/respirator it will kill you
@alexlaurence
@alexlaurence 3 жыл бұрын
AI systems are used for drug discovery all the time. In fact, I am sure a lot of AI technology was used in the vaccine development at Pfizer-BioNTech/Astrazenica/etc R&D labs. By the way, AI is not this super intelligent thing you see in movies. The "smartest" one, AlphaGo, could only carry out a narrow task... if you say let's play tictactoe... it would have no idea what to do. How can you expect an AI
@sao1041
@sao1041 3 жыл бұрын
First he was no longer young, alphago was great but his first version was more like human, it surprised all of us but the version which played with KeJie made us feel unbreathable.
@aaronkastriotiseni1406
@aaronkastriotiseni1406 3 жыл бұрын
Lee Sedol should consider himself the ultimate winner even against AlphaGo. One human against a team of 50+ people, and hundreds of computers creating this artificial intelligence and they still lost one game.
@Ringcaat
@Ringcaat Жыл бұрын
Right... Go is the oldest continually played strategy game in existence and he was probably the last human being ever to beat the best machine in the world at it. That makes him, in a sense, a major historical figure.
@shoeofobama6091
@shoeofobama6091 Жыл бұрын
no, alphago was in its infancy. Lee's playing was nothing short of genius, but he was facing an embryo
@kgbpomp7751
@kgbpomp7751 3 жыл бұрын
He didn't just lose he created interest in the game. I play chess now I am also learning GO.
@RPDBY
@RPDBY 4 жыл бұрын
about 10 seconds are devoted to answering the question, the rest is just irrelevant rubbish
@superfreak3050
@superfreak3050 4 жыл бұрын
Best rage quit in history
@homielove9305
@homielove9305 4 жыл бұрын
Completed the 69 like ritual
@waqidj
@waqidj 4 жыл бұрын
Right lol
@danielfarrugia3884
@danielfarrugia3884 4 жыл бұрын
Classic comment!
@ernstoud
@ernstoud 3 жыл бұрын
Spoiler: the answer is not given in this video.
@scene6289
@scene6289 Жыл бұрын
Well it's like trying to beat a speedboat in a swimming competition
@charliemendez9991
@charliemendez9991 4 жыл бұрын
Just like Toya Koyo, he retired from competition but the spirit of playing the game has been rekindled in a new light after being beaten by a superior opponent Sai and in Lee's case AlphaGo. The point of the game is not about winning or greater calculation, but to find meaning and essence behind it, which an a.i. can never grasp.
@abdiwahaabnoor5949
@abdiwahaabnoor5949 3 жыл бұрын
Looool
@abdiwahaabnoor5949
@abdiwahaabnoor5949 3 жыл бұрын
The divine move shall be achieved
@gaidenrocx1
@gaidenrocx1 4 жыл бұрын
at least he made a million before calling it a day
@rambling964
@rambling964 3 жыл бұрын
He didn't, at least not from that match - Alpha Go won the million. He got $170,000.
@digipak07
@digipak07 2 жыл бұрын
You are making it too sensational. He went on to win every tournament he played after he lost 4/1 to the alphago
@jonathan.freiberger3879
@jonathan.freiberger3879 4 жыл бұрын
Kasparov continued to play chess successfully for many years after losing to IBM Deep Blue. Now, there isn't a single human being on the planet who can beat the new AIs Google Alpha Zero or Leela Zero. But it really doesn't matter. It is still interesting for humans to compete. We can make ourselves better and better by learning from the AIs even though we may never catch up with them. Hey, after the train beat the horse, we did not stop watching horse races, right?
@HieuNguyen-oi7le
@HieuNguyen-oi7le 10 ай бұрын
I don't believe the problem is that simple. In chess the strength gap between the best human and AI is close enough so as even if AI can easily beat the world champions, we can understand and analyze the moves made by the machines. Chess has been improved alot thanks to the help of the AI. The situation is not the same in GO where the AI is way more better than the best human. We human can't understand the game played by the AI and why it play those moves. The story become just like when a professor try to talk caculus to a child but in this case, that child can't get smarter and can never understand the talk. So the AI in GO is ruined the game by introducing the level that human could never reach and not letting us learn from their knowledge.
@JhoferGamer
@JhoferGamer 9 ай бұрын
@@HieuNguyen-oi7le I disagree that ai made chess better and that it ruined go.
@cQ2DHPavXTqemm9Vsbgi4TV7x
@cQ2DHPavXTqemm9Vsbgi4TV7x 9 ай бұрын
@@JhoferGamer I don't know enough about Go to make a comment on it but I do think chess has been improved by ai. Pretty much every modern chess player these days use AI to analyze and learn from their games.
@dopplesoddner2899
@dopplesoddner2899 Ай бұрын
brothers its not about the sport , its about the people who play the sport , we still watch olympics and stuff.
@BallyBoy95
@BallyBoy95 4 жыл бұрын
Guess, it was just his time to Go...
@doncorleone7940
@doncorleone7940 4 жыл бұрын
I mean he's so good in playing Go that he decided that next goal is to defeat AI.
@jovidutful
@jovidutful 3 жыл бұрын
@@mrhorse6587 yeah because hes ASian and you dont like asians.
@markusTegelane
@markusTegelane Жыл бұрын
I swear to god, if any of you haven’t seen the AlphaGo documentary, you must watch it.
@TommyLikeTom
@TommyLikeTom 4 жыл бұрын
Hey this presenter guy was a part of the alphago development team. He was in the documentary
@Agrover112
@Agrover112 4 жыл бұрын
lol was thinking the same
@ALCRAN2010
@ALCRAN2010 4 жыл бұрын
I recognized the man-bun too. Wasn't even in the second half of the documentary. This vid is BS.
@alloftheabove345
@alloftheabove345 4 жыл бұрын
LOL! No that's a different guy. He was Veda Paneershelvam. This guy is Naveen Krishnasamy. Both are of Indian Ethinicity and have similar facial features and hair styles. Understandable!
@Agrover112
@Agrover112 4 жыл бұрын
@@alloftheabove345 Looks the same everyone knows lol
@Agrover112
@Agrover112 4 жыл бұрын
@@alloftheabove345 The Deepmind guy wouldn't be so free lmao
@user-it6tj7ci8r
@user-it6tj7ci8r 11 ай бұрын
In recent Interview, interviewer asked Lee "Why you retired? People run and jog even after car and bike came out, and there is Olympics about it." Lee answered, "Man don't learn how to run from car, but you must learn Go from A.i"
@caiusKeys
@caiusKeys 6 күн бұрын
He prolly retired for the same reason Bobby Fisher did -- competing at the highest levels for so long is exhausting.
@al5612
@al5612 3 жыл бұрын
I understand that the real purpose of the AI in AlphaGO was to test the application of AI development. However I find it quite sad that the sole purpose of AI is to outdo humans. For all of our history in humanity, the beauty and diversity of human kind was that we moved forward together as every individual mastered something throughout the course of their lifetime. This idea that the world will somehow benefit by having everything streamlined past human capability seems a bit depressing in my opinion, even if it does make our world more efficient. I guess the main problem is that we don't seem to question if efficiency is really what will make our world the happiest and most sustainable that it can be for both us, and all the other inhabitants of earth.
@lemonstrangler
@lemonstrangler 2 жыл бұрын
same i dont like this, all of us will be retiring from our jobs lol. anyways thats why ai was created in the first place, to make it do things more better and faster, just like why we invented machines to make things easier. its really like a machine but flexible to do other tasks that needs cognitive thinking
@timotheuspeter734
@timotheuspeter734 2 жыл бұрын
That was beautifully said. I find it really sad and frankly unsettling as well..
@bookle5829
@bookle5829 2 жыл бұрын
Chess players: First time? But really instead of seeing this way, you should use AIs as a tool. To find mistakes in your game and what to do to do better. When AlphaZero (Chess equivalent to Go) beat Stockfish, some of the masters noticed a certain play style from AlphaZero and tried to adopt it.
@flynntaggart7216
@flynntaggart7216 2 жыл бұрын
Cry as much as you want but i support ai
@bookle5829
@bookle5829 2 жыл бұрын
@@flynntaggart7216 It's funny. On the Go side, everyone was like noooo ai has ruined the game. Meanwhile AIs have been around chess for so long and everyone was like oh wow new ai.
@DownToEarthMind
@DownToEarthMind Жыл бұрын
Playing GO is about having fun. Who cares if AI can play it better
@DihelsonMendonca
@DihelsonMendonca Жыл бұрын
⚠️ As an artist myself, I can understand Lee Sedol perfectly. Well, this only proves that he faced GO very seriously, thinking that he could unveil the mysteries of the game. He intended to go where no one has gone before. Since there's an entity capable of understanding the game in ways he will never be able to achieve, this battle became pointless. I myself almost retired from music, after noticing that although all my effort, I can't have the piano technique and speed I once had, after some illnesses and age. It's sad. It's very sad ! Most people can't understand that. 🤔
@Dopachen
@Dopachen Жыл бұрын
There's no person you can "understand perfectly"
@DihelsonMendonca
@DihelsonMendonca Жыл бұрын
@@KZfaqrboi596 I fully understand your point, and have recently reflected about digital art, music and humanism, specially when we are reaching outstanding levels of artificial intelligence, which somehow pose a threat to the existence, or opens a new level of art forms to humans. Perhaps not now, but in a few years. You're right about there's two ways to display music, either for people delight or showmanship, but in music, unfortunately, one thing is essentially linked to the other. Currently ( or since the dawn of music ), most people value ( or enjoy ) artists who possess great ability. I was trained as a classical musician, studying for 8 hours a day. I played in countless concerts, works of Beethoven, Chopin, Liszt and many others through my life. Unfortunately, I'm becoming old and full of minor illnesses that prejudice my ability to communicate with my audience. I am restricting even more my repertoire to adapt to what I can currently do. During my life, I studied many other things, including computers. I am an electronic engineer also. We're beginning a new era where AI would take a great role in all human activities. We frankly don't know where this is going to lead us, but I sincerely hope that digital art, made by humans continues to have it's place, as all the the other forms of art. 👍🙏❤️
@carlosmunoz1041
@carlosmunoz1041 11 ай бұрын
I get your point. Benn there and done that. Only to bring frustration and reflection on one's existence.
@lampkinmedia
@lampkinmedia Ай бұрын
I can personally understand how you feel as a fellow keyboardist. I hope you can find another way beyond technique which is something I want to recapture when I re approach the Rach 2 & 3 Concerto's at this point in my development. Sending you Love & Light never give up the fight you never know what can happen when you have the right spirit. I know from experience when I learned how to play the Gershwin Rhapsody in Blue in 15 days before an audition and nailed it. Of course I spent 8 - 10 hours days of practice. It was one of the greatest accomplishments. The Rach 2 & 3 will be my greatest triumph as a seasoned Pro Musician. Going back to my classical roots is something I've been wanting to do now 25 years later. You have a different perspective, patience and life experience which will factor in. I'm excited..... I will master it. I have smaller hands unlike Rachmaninoff who had big hands so this will be an extra challenge, but I am ready. Most importantly I will enjoy the journey and the lessons I will learn about myself when I accomplish this for myself.
@DihelsonMendonca
@DihelsonMendonca Ай бұрын
@@lampkinmedia I wish you all the good luck with your project. Rach 2 and 3 are like the top of the world for any talented pianist. 🙏👍💥❤️
@chris.hinsley
@chris.hinsley 10 ай бұрын
He actually beat IT ! Destroyed IT in one move.
@maxsecrest
@maxsecrest Жыл бұрын
Computers have been able to beat the best Chess players for a long time. Yet people still want to become grand masters. I don't understand quitting just because a computer is better at computation than humans.
@thorham1346
@thorham1346 11 ай бұрын
Exactly what I was thinking.
@RMate-bu7se
@RMate-bu7se 3 жыл бұрын
Wrong info, disliked. Coming here after watching the documentary, I can surely say that he didn't do it cause he lost against AI. Even in the docu he said that AI might be the stepping stone for how we see Go as a game. It defined what he wanted to do as a Go player, and how he does not regret playing Go because of that one moment. Still getting chills after watching it, the god move... Oh man
@lemonstrangler
@lemonstrangler 2 жыл бұрын
then why did he quit? theres literally him quoting that there will always be an entity better than him so he quit. thats not wrong info lol
@sebastianbal1008
@sebastianbal1008 Жыл бұрын
@@lemonstrangler it's not entirelly wrong but it's just a small part of the reason, he retired because the korean association took a lot of prize money from him and other political stuff with them
@NeilKelly_is_angryexpat
@NeilKelly_is_angryexpat 2 ай бұрын
I was in my late 20's and got my arse kicked by a 14yr-old from Korea (1980's). The game of life is much like that.
@hermione6834
@hermione6834 3 жыл бұрын
Stop advertising alphago at the expense of Lee Sedol! You are misinterpreting his words, that is so mean!
@bruceli9094
@bruceli9094 Жыл бұрын
Lee Sedol is the Asian Gary Kasparov. Both beaten by American technology.
@victorianmelody46
@victorianmelody46 2 жыл бұрын
Dr. Ian Malcolm: Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.
@aguyinavan6087
@aguyinavan6087 11 ай бұрын
Much of humanity is valued by their capacity to contribute intellectually. There is a natural sense of exploration in pushing new frontiers. Artificial Intelligence is mastering the art of exploring the new frontiers, which makes the sense of adventure and exploration seem futile. It leaves us in a state of monotony and disillusionment. Nobody wants to give a worse Idea than what has already been purposed, but when It comes to AI, that is exactly what we are all being relegated to, our intelligence being useless compared to what is available at much cheaper a cost.
@javierkehner4742
@javierkehner4742 3 жыл бұрын
Luego de la derrota 4-1, en los siguientes 2 meses, Lee Sedol ganó todos los torneos en los que se presentó. Estoy seguro de que aprendió mucho luego de los partidos contra AlphaGO.
@teriyaki_9inety9ine27
@teriyaki_9inety9ine27 4 жыл бұрын
Its today that I have renewed admiration how complex DOTA is. It just show what game is on top of complexity ladder is. Whether its electronics or board games.
@canyouping
@canyouping 2 жыл бұрын
but its so sad that most of the games are spoiled by noobs who don't play as dere role and do whatever they feel like, and day by day taking Dota 2 to its downfall
@StanJones-ww8th
@StanJones-ww8th 8 ай бұрын
I imagine that he retired from the game in order to have mental and physical time and mental and physical energy to be able to allocated to his next activity where he will want and expect to engage in at the same TIER 1 level that he allocated to GO. He is not STOPPING with GO to stop with life for he is far too young and far to intelligent to not free himself to respond to the next fork in the road that is his life's journey. As for the clip near the end of this video showing many youth playing GO, which is where he also was as a youth himself, Lee Sedol would never tell these kids to stop dreaming and learning about themselves via Go or other venue. GO is part of him learning to understand himself and will become part of all who sit down at the table now and in the future. I think; therefore I am.
@timkjazz
@timkjazz 6 ай бұрын
To watch game 4 and see the impossible happen, the miraculous win by Lee Sodol, and to see AlphaGo crater when move 78 took place and completely fall of a cliff and perform as if AlphaGo had just had a stroke was the most remarkable thing, a staggering achievement that can't be over-valued.
@maosama3695
@maosama3695 4 жыл бұрын
it didn't GO so well for him.
@Bojang_Bugami32
@Bojang_Bugami32 4 жыл бұрын
Of course no pun intended.
@johnnysparkleface3096
@johnnysparkleface3096 4 жыл бұрын
Has anyone actually counted all the atoms in tne universe? Just wondering.
@BCOOOL100
@BCOOOL100 4 жыл бұрын
Known universe....
@johnnysparkleface3096
@johnnysparkleface3096 4 жыл бұрын
@@BCOOOL100 I'd draw the line at counting all the atoms in the known universe. Forget about the rest...too much work.
@geoffreybrockmeier3765
@geoffreybrockmeier3765 4 жыл бұрын
Chuck Norris did it for extra credit in a high school science class.
@StargazerWindwings
@StargazerWindwings 4 жыл бұрын
We know approximate mass of the universe. And by knowing the mass we can calculate approximate number of atoms.
@weevil601
@weevil601 4 жыл бұрын
Yes. I just finished counting them yesterday, and boy are my fingers tired.
@user-ew7qg1fl2t
@user-ew7qg1fl2t 10 ай бұрын
The only reason that Go has more combinations is the size of the board (more entropy)...Imagine a Chess board with 19X19 and 38 pieces by each side...now imagine a Go board with an 8x8 board.
@T.R.U.T.H..
@T.R.U.T.H.. 4 жыл бұрын
Well when you gotta Go you gotta go.
@mrsuppertime1
@mrsuppertime1 4 жыл бұрын
Last human to take a game from the best computer player.
@hannah1896
@hannah1896 Жыл бұрын
It shows that learning from its mistakes takes AI to another level.But it is just a program which is developed and redesigned, reprogrammed finding mistakes by many engineers, computer scientists and other go experts. It is just an excellent program. So, the competition is like run competition with a dog or swimming contest with a fish or maths calculation with computer and human . Program is just a program. The program is far good. And they should always give respect to go players. Because, it,the program, are not the same with human players.
@danielbrockman7402
@danielbrockman7402 Жыл бұрын
He said go has 300 times the number of positions compared to chess which is astronomically laughably inaccurate
@PeterTamura
@PeterTamura 4 жыл бұрын
What happens if two same versions of AlphaGo play each other. Would it be correct to execute some suboptimal moves in order to carry out a longer term strategy? So the move would be different depending on how many moves ahead the program is thinking about? So many questions..........
@josephxavier8636
@josephxavier8636 4 жыл бұрын
This exactly is where it gets interesting!
@joshuat6124
@joshuat6124 4 жыл бұрын
It's called reinforcement learning.
@multatuli1
@multatuli1 11 ай бұрын
You can't out-compute the computer, his pride is understandable though.
@cjaze101
@cjaze101 4 жыл бұрын
Bring zhang ye in! From the light novel "i'm really a superstar"
@Bana888
@Bana888 4 жыл бұрын
This has ruminations towards the original aspirations on why they needed to build the Tower of Babel.
@dab88
@dab88 3 жыл бұрын
in a word: hubris
@mareksicinski3726
@mareksicinski3726 3 жыл бұрын
lee sedol was going to retire anyway before, he had 20 years on the top and he was being surpassed by other people, this was the last challenge for him he was tired of the baduk association
@jc-my2dr
@jc-my2dr 2 жыл бұрын
He retired because he's played enough. Yall lying and trippin🤣😭🤣😭🤣😭🤣
@aljon5947
@aljon5947 4 ай бұрын
How did this game get popular, it sounds tedious to identify the areas and count them one by one.
@beekoXOXO
@beekoXOXO 3 ай бұрын
I haven't even watched the vid yet, but I can tell it wants to play the AI vs human card xD The reason why he quit according to the man himself is the battle between himself vs Korean Go association; The association usually takes a certain share of all professional players' winnings and this goes into fund the association with whatever it is they do. Lee wanted to find out what that 'whatever' was, and never got an answer. The association was never really transparent with this, and claimed it is a 'tradition', took a don't question it approach. This battle began quite a while back even before the whole AlphaGo thing, what triggered it was the association wanting to claim a portion of Lee's winnings back in the day, and Lee fighting back saying 'you guys did nothing for me', which was true. Lee did not receive any assistance from the association unlike other Pros did, and funded himself pretty much the whole career so it was only natural to ask this question.
@unsaturated8482
@unsaturated8482 4 жыл бұрын
what is that subtle music in the background
@ryanpenrod1859
@ryanpenrod1859 Жыл бұрын
I don't understand why he chose to quit, just because someone made a computer program that can beat him. Does the fact that he's only the best human player really take his enjoyment completely out of the game? Something tells me he wanted to retire anyway, and this was a good excuse.
@ryanpenrod1859
@ryanpenrod1859 Жыл бұрын
It's actually kinda sad that he bases so much of his self image on being the best at a game. I suppose if you dedicate your entire life to a single game and don't broaden your horizons to any other aspect of life, you don't have much else to base your self image on, which is even more sad.
@tomjensen618
@tomjensen618 10 ай бұрын
It it irrelevant that there are more potential moves in go than in chess. No computer has solved chess . It is too complex. Chess unlike go has an infinite amount of playing time in that pieces can be moved continually.
@AllwaysKING
@AllwaysKING 4 жыл бұрын
I wonder if Choi Taek can beat Alpha Go
@DirtCobaine
@DirtCobaine 3 жыл бұрын
It makes sense he’s taking it really hard for how competitive he has to be to be at the top. What I really hate is that people seem to equate AI as machines that are separate beings. Rather than an extension of our own intelligence. AI intelligence IS human intelligence. It’s a physical manifestation of our rapid evolution. We are evolving so fast we are slowly but surely not needing our physical bodies.
@kilianconn5091
@kilianconn5091 2 жыл бұрын
Suppressed natural selection is devolution. Computers aren't going to save you. Your consciousness isn't compatible with a machine and never will be.
@lemonstrangler
@lemonstrangler 2 жыл бұрын
im just amazed at how someone can make an ai like that, does that mean they are really good at go? lol
@ryans3979
@ryans3979 2 жыл бұрын
@@kilianconn5091 This is limited thinking, it may very well be possible for humans to one day interface with machines.
@MorrisDugan
@MorrisDugan 2 жыл бұрын
@@lemonstrangler The people writing the software would have consulted with masters of the game, and some of the writers would be pretty good at it. I don;t know if any masters did any actual writing. It would have to be a very good team. There's a lot of badly written AI software (people have to deal with it all the time), or perhaps some of that deals with issues more difficult than Go, involving understanding human communication. The abstract structure of Go is easier to deal with than human psychology.
@housemana
@housemana Жыл бұрын
you don't get it. it was a political issue. not a competition/skill issue.
@HevaNaisdey
@HevaNaisdey 4 жыл бұрын
We're creating an entity that fits every single definitions we have of a god. We've been alone in this universe for so long. It's driving us to insanity.
@ffnovice7
@ffnovice7 3 жыл бұрын
Lol just pour water on the thing. Also Lee left due to politics not despair. This video is crock
@AvinashSingh-fd4nw
@AvinashSingh-fd4nw 2 жыл бұрын
If seedol was Federer, Alphago must be Djokovic
@ashleygriggs7392
@ashleygriggs7392 3 жыл бұрын
He blew a fuse using the God move.
@taniasouth
@taniasouth 4 жыл бұрын
I was brought here by the recommended "AlphaGo movie" the comments seem more believable than the video! Disrespectful.
@gameofgo9172
@gameofgo9172 4 жыл бұрын
That 'AlphaGo movie' made me develop a game on Go! I must say it's an eye opener in the world of AI. 😊
@bradbryant3482
@bradbryant3482 4 жыл бұрын
I hated that ARTIFICIAL "competition". It made me sad and angry. Their technology will, no doubt, be WEAPONIZED. Lee was the winner! No one can win against computers. It's MATH !!! 4,000 years ago.....a MUCH better time! We love you Lee!
@tybaltyrant1
@tybaltyrant1 Жыл бұрын
Great report, man.
@josephxavier8636
@josephxavier8636 4 жыл бұрын
He had to retire to understand what understanding means!
@jlcdrivewayramps7343
@jlcdrivewayramps7343 4 жыл бұрын
Magnus Carlsen said playing against Stockfish makes him feel stupid.
@Ducsmutter
@Ducsmutter 4 жыл бұрын
And yet Stockfish was beaten by AlphaZero in 100 matches about 80 times...
@user-du2jz9wx6k
@user-du2jz9wx6k 8 ай бұрын
we will simply invent a new game and raise the bar.
@bruswain9158
@bruswain9158 4 жыл бұрын
Lee Sedol "we can still hold our own" ..
@aakashr4974
@aakashr4974 3 жыл бұрын
You look like one of the engineers who designed alphago
@accumulator5734
@accumulator5734 4 жыл бұрын
Being supremely confident can blow up in ur face with the wrong mindset. He let it define who he was and now he probably feels directionless in his purpose. Just a guess, and a massive assumption but I watch alphago the movie and he seemed like that type.
@bruceli9094
@bruceli9094 Жыл бұрын
I hope Lee comes back for rematch against Alphago.
@KIM-xl6zs
@KIM-xl6zs 4 жыл бұрын
I had seen the game but I didn't know it was called go and it was that complex, but the hype behind alpha go and lee was soo huge, I watched the whole thing, when lee one the one game I was soo overjoyed because it was literally man vs machine, I hated those humans behind alpha go who were soo glad that alpha won against lee
@tzoleet
@tzoleet Жыл бұрын
Those people were happy because there was a theory that a machine can never win in this game, the variation is such a reason that the machine can't handle it either. And it is, but AI has somehow achieved this. It doesn't calculate everything either, it just somehow "feels" what is good.
@vy1134
@vy1134 3 жыл бұрын
This guy talking is part of Deepmind team... So I don't give this video any weight
@murieldubois4428
@murieldubois4428 4 жыл бұрын
How we choose to define ourselves.... Lee Sedol is more than a Go player. Life is beyond the Go board. Thank’s God !! :-D
@Alkis05
@Alkis05 2 жыл бұрын
Tic-Tac-Toe players: "We feel you..."
@NawazSharif-iy2fw
@NawazSharif-iy2fw 9 ай бұрын
its not like tic tac toe its like capturing the territory
@jajanbsd4197
@jajanbsd4197 Жыл бұрын
We have calculator. But we still learning math. Thats why i keep playing and learning go eventhou i know theres computer better than me.
@SerajAlhorany
@SerajAlhorany Жыл бұрын
You know lee sedol can beat alpha go easily but they paid him to advertise there new A.I to Korean manufacturers
@shoeofobama6091
@shoeofobama6091 Жыл бұрын
not true, although right now it just wouldnt be possible, Ai has matured a ton from there, it would be even more impressive to go 1-1000 on a modern program than 1-4 on the original go
@defro8367
@defro8367 Жыл бұрын
He retired after 21 years of professional career. It may not have much to do with Alphago.
@josephmartin6219
@josephmartin6219 Жыл бұрын
AI is simply Math and the sheer processing power of computers(speed) and is a testament to what we as humans can achieve, so it's a win win for both parties.
@jonathanlivingston7358
@jonathanlivingston7358 Жыл бұрын
A great example of how the singularity will work
@marcoschaub8978
@marcoschaub8978 4 жыл бұрын
It's quite interesting that he spoke of AlphaGo (and also of the more powerful AphaZero) as an "entity." Also, calling mastering Go as the Holy Grail is not very accurate. Because while Go is more complex than Chess, they both belong to the same category of games that Tic-Tac-Toe also belongs to. They can be solved. Yes, the numbers are staggering, but mathematically, that doesn't make a difference. It's only a question of computational power. There are other games that would be much harder for a program to beat. Games with hidden information and randomness.
@_roj
@_roj 8 ай бұрын
AI has beated the best human players at those games as well, like League of Legends and Dota
@u2ooby
@u2ooby 3 жыл бұрын
He soiled himself after he heard that the old AlphaGo lost to the new one 100-0!
@maximmakarenko9967
@maximmakarenko9967 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@Harriet1822
@Harriet1822 4 жыл бұрын
Forklifts can lift more than any human. We still have weightlifting and powerlifting competitions.
@alejandro12692
@alejandro12692 2 жыл бұрын
I've watched him play move 78... at least 78 times at this point...
@victordutta798
@victordutta798 3 жыл бұрын
Whenever life gives you "move 37'', come back with "move 78.
@PETBOY
@PETBOY 3 жыл бұрын
Don't believe in Best comment. It is only a personal opinion. It is true that Lee Se-dol retired because Alpha Go had a great influence. he recently talked at a Korean talk show. Alfa Go said there was no weakness, and the first win was due to a bug.
@WaffleEater53019
@WaffleEater53019 3 жыл бұрын
It was not a “bug”, it threw the game because the whole system collapsed. A human would either forfeit or try to keep what he has, but AlphaGo’s sole goal was to win. If that’s a bug then all computers are bugged unless AI has their own philosophy.
@Imnotplayinganymore
@Imnotplayinganymore Жыл бұрын
Wow I can't believe he retired because of losing to a machine. I didn't give up walking because cars were invented. Anyway I'm sure Lee Sedol is on a completely different level of understanding of life than I. I have much respect.
@humphrex
@humphrex Жыл бұрын
He actually retired cause of political matter in go organization. He just felt tired with politics
@Imnotplayinganymore
@Imnotplayinganymore Жыл бұрын
@@humphrex That sounds about right. Tx.
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