Why did they hide the El Primero in this watch?

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2 жыл бұрын

Today we have a beautiful Ebel 1911 chronograph on the bench, with the legendary and beautiful Zenith El Primero movement inside. Join me for a look at the movement in detail, with a discussion on its history and peculiarities, and also a look at Ebel as a brand.
We go on a couple of tangents as usual, including a bit about the never-ending and proudly held male boneheadedness :)
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@mattyreardon3593
@mattyreardon3593 2 жыл бұрын
That is beautiful! It's a crime it doesn't have a display case back.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Matty, thanks for watching! Yep, this watch would probably sell more of they displayed the movement...
@rickdenney5772
@rickdenney5772 Жыл бұрын
@@VintageWatchServices Well, they replaced this watch with the Modulor using their Lemania-based Caliber 137 in 1995, so it must be the secondary market you are talking about. But Ebel sold these pretty well considering their market targets, and given Ebel's strong position with luxury quartz watches of their own manufacture. The Ebel Ref 1134901 on strap sold for about $5800 in 1994--the last catalog in which it appeared--which I believe was more than a Daytona with the dumbed-down Zenith movement at the time. Times have changed!
@watch-checker
@watch-checker Жыл бұрын
This watch was sold from approx. 1983 through 1995. Back then, display case backs were extremely rare. Imagine, Patek Philippe didn't have them at all. Just with the start over of A. Lange & Söhne from Glashütte in 1996 after the end of the communist aera in former East Germany and showing ALL their beautiful decorated movements under a crystal, this trend started. But at that point in time, the el Primero movement was already gone from the Ebel 1911 and the decline of Ebel was already under way. Apart from the display case back (that you actually don’t see when wearing that watch), I have to admit that this watch has it’s downsides, e.g. the housing isn’t really water-proof (only 3 ATM means you can wear it when washing your hands), and it’s quite sensitive for shocks, e.g. cycling only on smooth roads and such kind of things. These are things, where a Daytona has clear advantages. Still a Daytona doesn’t have the classy appearance of this vintage watch.
@PMS1950
@PMS1950 Жыл бұрын
Really enjoyable and informative video. I've been lucky enough to have had two Zenith watches - an autosport from the 1960s and an amazingly accurate hand wound, from the early 1970s. These were treasures, which I've now passd on to new owners who appreciate the heritage and workmanship of the Zenith brand.
@leestrada1
@leestrada1 Жыл бұрын
One of the most interesting brands, Ebel, and one of the very few iconic designs the 90's, the 1911. Marc Busser said this is one of his favorites watches.
@rodneckbuilds
@rodneckbuilds 2 жыл бұрын
that movement is a work of art. The craftmanship that went in designing a movement like this from drawings to the real deal is insane 😍
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Kenneth, thanks for watching and I fully agree! These movements were made long before computer aided design was a thing, and the effort needed was monumentally more than nowadays when there are even specific programs that will basically eliminate all the design flaws for you before making any parts!
@markedwards4879
@markedwards4879 Жыл бұрын
Interesting to watch you do this. I bought my 1911 back in 2006 because of the El Primero movement. I love it. Mine has a black face and the two tone metal strap. Very underrated watches- most people have no idea about them, and the later ones don’t have the same appeal. Mine dates back to the 80s when Ebel commissioned the movements and this brought the Primero movement back into production.
@catstevens5890
@catstevens5890 2 жыл бұрын
You never cease to amaze me in your vast knowledge on all things watch and more. I enjoy watching and listening. Thank you.
@pgsahlman
@pgsahlman 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful watch really. I continue to enjoy your videos, for your exceptionally thoughtful and thorough approach to your work, but also for your historical perspectives and your humor. Thank you so much and Happy New Year!
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much, that's very nice to hear :) Happy new year to you also!
@bullnose01
@bullnose01 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Stian, for sharing another fabulous movement with us. I hope you and the rest of the VWS family have a safe and enjoyable New Year.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much Bullnose and a merry Christmas and happy new year to you also 🎄🎊🎅
@DanI-th1hg
@DanI-th1hg 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent work Stian, thank you for what yo do for us on this channel! Looking forward already for your next project! All the best wishes for you and your family! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! Dan
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot Dan, that's very nice to hear :) A Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and yours also!
@mickboakes7023
@mickboakes7023 Жыл бұрын
Never get tired of watching you Stian. I am in awe of your skill. Thank you. All the best. Mick.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much, Mick ☺️
@abigailirvine3414
@abigailirvine3414 2 жыл бұрын
Outstanding work as usual informative with a subtle touch of humour
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much Abigail! More to come in the new year :)
@damnAmsterdammer
@damnAmsterdammer Жыл бұрын
That's a beautiful watch. Thanks for the share and the history lesson. It's a pleaseure to watch you do your thing. Blessings.
@milanchristi7939
@milanchristi7939 2 жыл бұрын
Love it! All new information about Ebel and El Primero - many thanks. Terrific videography.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Great to hear, Milan, thanks ! More to come in the new year :)
@bojidarvasilev8854
@bojidarvasilev8854 2 жыл бұрын
I like the attention you pay to the details. I think a watch like this deserves a lot of attention. Good health and success in the new year 👍👏🇧🇬
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much Bojidar and to you also!
@joshuareinoehl924
@joshuareinoehl924 2 жыл бұрын
Another excellent, informative and entertaining video!! I look forward to every new video, thanks again!!
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot, Joshua, that's really great to hear :) More to come in the new year!
@red75v67
@red75v67 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting watch Stian. Thanks for the video, all your hard work and witty comments over the last year. Merry Christmas, Howard
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot Howard! A merry Christmas and happy new year to you also :) 🎊🎅🎉
@johnutting9615
@johnutting9615 2 жыл бұрын
An extremely complicated movement handled by a master,thanks you for showing .
@MrLukealbanese
@MrLukealbanese 2 жыл бұрын
Superb work Steun, Merry Christmas and happy New Year 👍👍👍
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot Luke! A merry Christmas and happy new year to you also :) 🎄🎊🎉
@clivesouthafrica2086
@clivesouthafrica2086 2 жыл бұрын
Great movement, interesting and informative video. Best wishes for 2022.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much Clive and to you also! 🎊🎉🎅
@davefox7516
@davefox7516 Жыл бұрын
Good Lord that's a lot of work! I just bought a solid gold ebel zenith chronograph that was in mint condition. Greatest watch I've ever owned. My watch guy I'm sure can do the work of cleaning it, but hopefully it won't be for quite some time as the watch appears to be mint. It looks like you have to be a master in order to take apart clean and put the watch back together properly. It's hard for me to wrap my head around the complexity of this watch. I actually feel honored to own this watch. I first learned and wanted this watch when I saw Don Johnson wear it on Miami vice. Your channel is wonderfully fascinating!
@gromit1996
@gromit1996 2 жыл бұрын
That is a pretty fiddly keyless works. Fabulous service and conversation, Stian, as always. It always amazes me how these movement companies keep showing up in many different brands. I look forward to the 6139 service.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, they overthought that one a bit... tiny wheels and parts moving back and forth very frequently is not such a good idea for longevity :)
@Pulsonar
@Pulsonar 2 жыл бұрын
To see a master watchmaker at work like this even makes me question how meticulous, careful, and precise I am working in my own job (electronics) 😂 The level of mechanical detail in the movement and attention to service is extraordinary. We can appreciate this all the more when captured so expertly with the excellent camerawork and running commentary.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! 😊
@brucebarlow6604
@brucebarlow6604 2 жыл бұрын
Great to hear that you had a wonderful Christmas and that the account manager didn't raise any concerns about her missing Q Tips and Tins of Sardines from the pantry cub board. Great work as always and continue to enjoy your festive season. Looking forward to more downloads in 2022. Regards from New Zealand.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
🤣 No trouble in paradise! Have a merry Christmas and a happy new year and more to come in the new year :)
@marekeos
@marekeos 2 жыл бұрын
A beautiful piece and as usual you did a fantastic job!
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much 😊
@boydsargeant7496
@boydsargeant7496 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Stian, another great video. Some useful tips here for when I service my first chrono. Merry Christmas.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot Boyd, and a merry Christmas and happy new year to you also! 🎊🎅🎉
@alaindrolet_atlt_2019
@alaindrolet_atlt_2019 2 жыл бұрын
I’m always impress to see watchmaker working on chronograph !! Perfect job ! Lots of watch to do and repair and I will be better like that ! 🙂
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot Alain!! More to come in the new year :)
@anthonywatkins2783
@anthonywatkins2783 2 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed your video, great quality and great narration, have always liked the Ebel watches.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot Anthony! More to come in the Happy New Year!
@stevemoreno6241
@stevemoreno6241 2 жыл бұрын
Very informative and enjoyable video. Thank you for sharing.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching, Steve!
@insubstituivel1
@insubstituivel1 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent work
@etherdude
@etherdude 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for another interesting video. What a technical machine! The El Primero really does have an incredible array of parts. I was also impressed with the complexity of both sides of the watch, the keyless works side as well as the train/chronometer side.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot Doug! It's a wonderful watch and movement and at some point every collector should have one :) Have a merry Christmas and a happy new year! 🎊🎅✨
@mohamedshaheed1270
@mohamedshaheed1270 2 жыл бұрын
Sir wish you and all your family members Happy Christmas and new year.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much Mohamed, that's very kind of you :)
@Every_Day_Adventure
@Every_Day_Adventure 2 жыл бұрын
Another fine job and Merry Christmas
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot David, and a merry Christmas and happy new year to you also! 🎉🎄🎊✨
@sitandfish
@sitandfish 2 жыл бұрын
Wasn't a fan of that watch at first glance but, I enjoyed the craftsmanship and complexity if the movement as you disassembled it and gave it's history. Then you put it on your wrist and my attitude flipped 180 degrees. Seeing that watch in a showcase I would pass it by but if I saw it being worn I would definitely compliment the person wearing it for their beautiful watch. Or maybe it just looks good on you? 😊 Happy Christmas.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for sharing that, much appreciated! And very cool to know I made the watch look good 😂 A happy Christmas and happy new year to you also 🎄🎉🎊✨
@rvrski1
@rvrski1 2 жыл бұрын
I had no idea of the complexity of the gear trains etc in watches until I watched you videos, you sir are very talented and skilled.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much, Tony! There are a lot parts indeed :)
@mrclassic2284
@mrclassic2284 2 жыл бұрын
Another Great episode!
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! More to come in the new year :)
@VermaakShane
@VermaakShane 11 ай бұрын
Love your sense of humor.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 11 ай бұрын
😊👍
@davelowey3074
@davelowey3074 2 жыл бұрын
Another excellent video Stian, hope i got your name right, lovely watch with Zenith movement cleaned and oiled your usual high standard thanks for showing us, it's Boxing day here in the UK so happy new year to you and your family hope you're all ok.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much Dave and that's perfect spelling :) A happy Christmas and new year to you and yours also! 🎄🎊🎉
@robertjordan7323
@robertjordan7323 Жыл бұрын
Very smart looking watch.
@ellexusse
@ellexusse Жыл бұрын
Wow. This is fascinating
@benfoust7424
@benfoust7424 2 жыл бұрын
Gorgeous watch!
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ben! More to come in the new year :)
@jatco84
@jatco84 Жыл бұрын
Love your videos ..and love this watch..and real 'looker'. Great movement and a lovely face. Looks super with that strap too. Well done..👍
@boydsargeant7496
@boydsargeant7496 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video, thanks Stian. Hope you had a great Christmas, wishing you a great 2022. I’m getting withdrawal symptoms, can’t wait for the next video! Will you do any focusing on fixing specific issues or using specific tools?
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Boyd! There is one coming up on Saturday about radium 👍
@boydsargeant7496
@boydsargeant7496 2 жыл бұрын
@@VintageWatchServices thanks Stian! Can you read minds, I was only thinking today it would be great to see a professional video on radium, since I saw a hobbiests view today (mike at my retro watches), so you are a genius!
@tiberiuvincze8288
@tiberiuvincze8288 2 жыл бұрын
Hello, nice video and a Happy beautiful and healthy new year! 10x
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tiberiu, and to you also!
@USAHaCkY
@USAHaCkY 2 жыл бұрын
To be honest, I'm not fan of golden cases or bezels. But the movement is awesome.... Very nice work on such a complicated movement, and great video as always. Thank you again for sharing another master class. Happy new year!!
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for that! The case and dial are not everyone's styling for sure but within its context it's very well executed. More to come in the new year! 🎉🎊😊
@garysmith7545
@garysmith7545 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Stian, third time's acharm (this is the 3rd of your videos that I have watched today). What a beautiful watch! I can see that I'm going to need to practice, practice, practice! Kind regards.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
👍
@extremelydave
@extremelydave 2 жыл бұрын
Watching these videos is rapidly turning into an addiction!!! Seeing them torn apart and put back together is like watching a tennis match.... does he win, or does he go down to defeat!! Great narration surely helps and you do a great job there too!!!
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot Dave, that's great to hear :) They're fascinating creations, these little mechanical machines we call watches 😁
@amundbjerve
@amundbjerve 2 жыл бұрын
I have a Zenith Chronomaster moonphase, and it's nice to see what my movement looks like from inside (although the El Primero cal. 410 is better finished and has a full calendar and moonphase). This explains the rather tall bill from the last service of my watch. I also like that you comment on the construction and design of the movements you service. There are strong and weak points on most constructions of any kind, and these "movement reviews" are hard to come by. If possible it would be great if you could go into even more details on the construction, quality and reliability of the movements featured in your videos.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Hei Amund, thanks for watching! I do try to comment on these things indeed as I think it's interesting myself :) I'll keep doing that although I'm a bit worried that going into too much detail will make it too technical for a lot of viewers. Let's see!
@angelherrera6820
@angelherrera6820 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video with commentary! Also, would love to have a watch with an El Primero movement. Very nice looking movement. Getting a Movado or MVMT would be akin to getting a lump of coal in your stocking! My view anyway. Merry Christmas! Cheers!
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Hehe, I quite agree with you on a MVMT being a lump of coal, just a bit less useful 😂 A merry Christmas and happy new year to you also! 🎄🎊🎁🎉
@rickdenney5772
@rickdenney5772 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video--my fifth today in a post-subscribing binge. As an Ebel (and Zenith) enthusiast, let me offer a few details for posterity. 1. Charles Vermot wasn't merely a "worker" at Zenith. He'd been hired by Martel in 1936, and by 1976 when he was resisting orders from Zenith Electronics (of USA), he was in charge of production at Zenith. He retired soon after. It was the request from Pierre-Alain Blum of Ebel in 1982 that brought him out of retirement. 2. The El Primero in the video is a caliber 40.0, which was made in the transition year of 1986. Prior to that time, the Ebel Chronograph used a wave bracelet and was working through a stock of 70's-era Zenith Movements that were marked 3019PHC. Vermot had hidden away four or five thousand ebauches, and Ebel purchased those initially in 1982. Based on that sale Zenith Watch Co. and it's owner Dixi Machine decided to restart production using re-established old tooling, and used a new designation: 40.0. That run was successful enough to attract interest from Rolex, and in response to that contract developed new tooling that went into service in 1987, according to Rossler. Those movements were marked "400", and later Ebels have Zenith 400's in them. 3. Ebel started the 1911 series in 1986, at the 75th anniversary of the company. These used the new 1911-style link bracelent instead of the prior wave bracelet. 4. So, an Ebel Chronograph with a 40.0 and a link bracelet can be dated to 1986-1987, a year after Ebel placed these on the wrists of the actors in the hit TV show "Miami Vice". 5. Ebel was a haute de gamme company at least until the last decade, including during the first decade of Movado ownership. They've drifted downmarket since then, but their production standards are still quite good. (My own example of the 1134901 is identical to the one in the video, with a Zenith 40.0, but includes the bracelet. Time to get it serviced again!)
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for sharing your amazing knowledge, Rick!
@pippomai9559
@pippomai9559 2 жыл бұрын
After 11 hrs of flight , I notice your new video. It is very relaxing to watch. How complicate is this “complication” . Very elegant watch.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, that's very nice to hear! It's a beautiful watch for sure though obviously not everyone's cup of tea. As far as complications go, this one is relatively traditional for a three register chronograph, so not too crazy :)
@bretthermance52
@bretthermance52 2 жыл бұрын
I alway's appreciate your suttle humor. "Sardine Oil" HA!! Another great job and video!! Thank you.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much Brett! More to come in the new year :)
@wiredone2
@wiredone2 2 жыл бұрын
Great video once again, thank you. have searched all over for a similar pair of brass tweezers but can't find anywhere, could you let me know where you found them? Happy Christmas and wishing you a great new year.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks and happy Christmas to you also, Neil! My tweezers are from Regine Horology and I used to buy them from beco-technic.com, but now that I'm in Switzerland I buy directly from the manufacturer. Horotec have similar ones, only with bent tips instead on curved.
@peccola2001
@peccola2001 Жыл бұрын
I purchased a 1911 not too long ago, and this is my first glance at the movement :)
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices Жыл бұрын
It's a nice watch!👍
@costelloandsilke7321
@costelloandsilke7321 2 жыл бұрын
Great Video thanks.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@lucaandretto7795
@lucaandretto7795 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the great video, now I understand much better how a chronograph works. I recently started working on watches myself as a hobby. I live in Switzerland (you said in an older video you did too), do you have any recommendations for good online shops? Most have terrible websites where it's no fun to order or have very long delivery times. Best regards and thanks for the great work
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
That's very nice to hear :) The Swiss are indeed living in the past century when it comes to websites... I use Horotec and Bergeon for most things but have to look at their PDF or paper catalogs sometimes. Quite incredible in 2022...
@WristwatchWorkshop
@WristwatchWorkshop Жыл бұрын
I love the idea of a dress chronograph - to time the intervals between Martinis.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices Жыл бұрын
😂
@franka9760
@franka9760 2 жыл бұрын
Merry Christmas, Stian! Holiday greetings and best wishes to you and your family! The Ebel that you worked on is a very handsome piece. One question: how do you know that the bezel is made of gold? Is it marked or does the technical communication tell you that?
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much Frank, and a merry Christmas and happy new year to you also 🎄🎉🎅 This model comes with a gold bezel, but it's probably marked also. I didn't really check since I know the model, voor you could also weigh it.
@lucaiannuzzi8988
@lucaiannuzzi8988 2 жыл бұрын
Great. Thank a lot! You’re a master
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much Luca! More to come in the new year :)
@jwrappuhn71
@jwrappuhn71 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful watch.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot!
@johncunningham5435
@johncunningham5435 2 жыл бұрын
Gorgeous time piece; "layout has been well thought out".
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot John! It's a beautiful piece for sure although the styling isn't everyone's taste 👍
@maangamandai
@maangamandai 2 жыл бұрын
Utrolig bra video. Koste meg i romjula❤
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Flott å høre! Godt nytt år og mer innhold kommer på nyåret 🎊🎉👍
@maangamandai
@maangamandai 2 жыл бұрын
@@VintageWatchServices Tusen takk! Godt nytt år. Gleder meg for flere videoer.
@sheemondallasgeorgia
@sheemondallasgeorgia Жыл бұрын
It is interesting to note that the Zenith television (and indeed the Zenith electronics) are gone while Zenith watches are still ticking.
@yaaxarr8977
@yaaxarr8977 2 жыл бұрын
I have the same watch with two tone bracelet and it’s one of my favorite chronographs. Love you channel! Are u based in Switzerland 🇨🇭?
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Yes I am!
@peterhawley6273
@peterhawley6273 2 жыл бұрын
Fabulous watch very good video,could you please tell me what make are your brass tweezers Many thanks Pete
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot Pete! My tweezers are from Regine Horology and I used to buy them from beco-technic.com, but now that I'm in Switzerland I buy directly from the manufacturer. Horotec have similar ones only with bent tips instead of curved ones.
@fabriziodutto7508
@fabriziodutto7508 2 жыл бұрын
I hope Santa's made all your dreams came true! Another great restoration! Thank you for sharing your great professionalism with us, and btw, all the comments you make on the work, are great to hear! Best wishes for a stunning 2022! Another question: is it true that the only pallet of the anchor that should be lubricated is the exit one? Thank you!
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Fabrizio, thanks so much and best wishes in 2022 for you also! You typically lubricate only one pallet stone indeed and most would do the exit stone. It doesn't have to be, though, and some also lubricate both stones before installing the pallet fork. There are a lot of ways to do things in watchmaking 😉
@fabriziodutto7508
@fabriziodutto7508 2 жыл бұрын
@@VintageWatchServices Thank you! Also a great discovery too: an El primero movement inside an Ebel chrono!
@georgeliquor2931
@georgeliquor2931 2 жыл бұрын
Great story of the guy who hid the drawings, machines etc in the wall, well done
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot George :) It's a great little piece of watch history!
@ianmedium
@ianmedium 2 жыл бұрын
Wonderful! My friend has this same watch and she loves wearing it. One question I have is that in the instruction manual it warns the when setting the hour and minutes Hands they must not be turned backwards as it may damage the movement. Could you explain why this is and what it would damage please? Happy new year as well!
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Ian, I know Zenith says that in their EP manuals, but it is most likely a relic from the old days. Nowadays basically all movements have built in features which ensure that a watch will not get damaged by a simple thing like this. It is something that used to apply to date/calendar watches, where the automatic switch-over could be damaged if turning the hands backwards in the period it was engaged (typically from around 9pm to 2am). It's still good practice to always turn the hands clock-wise and always recommended, but as a manufacturer one cannot rely on all customers following good practice, so they made it idiot-proof :)
@speenlmar9575
@speenlmar9575 2 жыл бұрын
I have a soft spot for Ebel, was in the Gulf for sometime and saw some very beautiful ones. And Zenith of course is that, zenith.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Ebel is a bit underrated indeed, although I'm not crazy about their recent direction. And yes, Zenith is just that!
@randyallen2771
@randyallen2771 2 жыл бұрын
Season's best to you and your family Stian! Once again a plethora of knowledge! I had heard of Ebel before, but had no idea that some housed premium calibres. It's really a nice looking watch! I always wondered about hi beat (36K vph) movements wearing more. Some have said that "modern" lubricants negate any excessive wear but I'm wondering what your professional opinion is.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Randy, thanks so much and the same to you and yours :) There's very little actual information out there on why some manufacturers went back from 36000 to 28800, and there's similarly little information on whether 36000 leads to more wear. I suspect wear isn't really the issue, more that a 36000 train requires a lighter balance and some more fine engineering than a 28800 train while the benefits aren't that much bigger. Also, the lubricants need to be replaced at least as and probably more frequently than lower beat movements. This is in fact a pretty big issue, given that most watch owners don't service their watches often enough at 5 year intervals. Watches breaking down due to this would potentially lead to publicity issues for the manufacturer. Hence the total case for making a 36000 watch isn't necessarily that attractive. .
@randyallen2771
@randyallen2771 2 жыл бұрын
@@VintageWatchServices thanks for your thoughtful reply, best wishes to you for the coming year.
@nizammdsaadnizam6188
@nizammdsaadnizam6188 2 жыл бұрын
nice swiss watch, i like u say hello boy and girl thank you for upload this service.. like rolex movement nice jod bro
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot!
@heikopanzlaff3789
@heikopanzlaff3789 2 жыл бұрын
Have a Zenith Rainbow Flyback ( el Primero 405 ) with transparent caseback , nicely finished. Also have Rainbow, de luca and Chronomaster COSC - Chronometer 18 kt, all with el Primero 400 . Guess that Chronomaster - movement is also nicely decorated but never looked inside.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching Heiko and that's quite the collection you have then! The El Primero is one of the very finest movements ever made and those watches of yours will only grow in value :)
@toboldygo5823
@toboldygo5823 2 жыл бұрын
Stian I had mentioned a few weeks ago I bought a pair of curved brass watchmakers tweezers I just got them today 1\13/22 mailed to me from England over the pond here to New York Long Island to be exact. I find they’re easier on the wrist ✨ I admire your watch repair skills. We’re losing too many mechanical minded logical people. ✨✌🏻😎 ☕️
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for that! I do see quite a few young watchmakers coming up, so hopefully there is a backstop :)
@realfire6883
@realfire6883 2 жыл бұрын
I love ebel. I have a diver with the cal 8810 lemania, good movement too
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice! It's a bit of an underrated brand indeed.
@unwokeneuropean3590
@unwokeneuropean3590 2 жыл бұрын
Seeing these videos Im jealous of your line of work... this is more fun than doing a paper pushing job in a random office.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
It sure is 😁
@chopin65
@chopin65 2 жыл бұрын
Lesson learned! His boss at work didn't know what he was doing. Save those specs/designs/molds/etcétera... History awaits you! P.S. I completely agree with you about hiding such a movement. Bad call.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, that movement is way too beautiful to hide...
@Dragonblaster1
@Dragonblaster1 2 жыл бұрын
When I restored my grandfather's Vienna Regulator pendulum clock (the first clock I ever fixed), I found a few broken parts such as the chime flirt had been bodged by my grandad (in the case of the chime flirt, he had soldered on part of the shaft of a jeweller's screwdriver). Eventually, I was able to source genuine replacements, from the same manufacturer (Gebruder Resch) and from about the same period (mid-1880s). So I don't regard it as a chimera, a mixture of old and new parts, but a sympathetic restoration.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a loving restoration! And that's the most important thing :)
@Dragonblaster1
@Dragonblaster1 2 жыл бұрын
@@VintageWatchServicesYes indeed, and I find the tick and the chime most comforting. I remember when I’d cleaned all the parts in my baby ultrasonic cleaner, straightened iffy pivots, reassembled and oiled the movement, and finally re-hung the weights. It wouldn’t run, although the movement worked fluently. So I started to try to put it in beat, one tiny turn at a time. Finally, at 03:00, I heard, “tick-tock… tick-tock”, and I knew then I was on the right track. I got it fully in beat the next day, and I even managed to get it so the accrued timekeeping error was largely erased by winding the clock (no remontoire here!) It’s a beautifully decorative case, and I’ve sanded it, re-stained it and waxed it so it practically glows. I’m never going to sell it.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
@@Dragonblaster1 That's a very nice story and you should absolutely keep it :) It'll forever be an item of pride!
@hagerty268
@hagerty268 2 жыл бұрын
Can a clear back be put on watches like this ? I do a lot of precision machining and always wondered if a standard back could be hollowed out and a sapphire disk fitted into the ring remaining. Maybe this process could be done by buying a substitute back so you can put the watch back to the original if you want. Not just on this watch in particular but on others that have stunning mechanicals inside that cant's be seen. Many times when you "Pop" the back of a time piece it is the most exciting part.....seeing those beautifully machined and hand-crafted parts. Peace and Happy New Year......Hope it's better than 2021
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Hello, thanks for watching! It's difficult to do so with an existing case back given the relatively thin metal in it, but it's not too difficult to make a new display case backs for such watches. You will find such on eBay for some of the more common watches like seiko GS/KS56
@ricky6019
@ricky6019 2 жыл бұрын
Great…but is the grease you put onto the pallets fork, good ALSO for the 5 Hz frequency, as per the El Primero movement (36,000 bit per hour)?
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Ricky, thanks for watching! Yes, moebius 9415 is specifically intended for high beat movements, 28800 and higher. Nowadays a lot of people use it for any beat rate movement, though.
@ricky6019
@ricky6019 2 жыл бұрын
@@VintageWatchServices thanks indeed Maestro!
@bfx8185
@bfx8185 2 жыл бұрын
Nice as usually ;) But I would like to polish that gold bezel little bit ;)
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! There'll be a full out video coming soon where everything gets polished 😉
@PoltergeistWorks
@PoltergeistWorks Жыл бұрын
Amazing job my friend. I have a question, as a new El Primero owner I've noticed something that I haven't heard on other watches - there is an audible faint click when the rotor spins 1-2 turns, it seems that it's the same click that is heard when you wind the watch manually very slowly. I assume this is normal operation of this movement? I'm wondering because on other automatics all I could hear is the rotor wooshing away, no clicking whatsoever (even when winding them via the crown). Would appreciate your input on this!
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices Жыл бұрын
Hello, thanks for watching! That is indeed most likely the sound you hear, but it should take a bit more than 1-2 rotations. And when winding with the crown you should be able to hear the clicking if you put the watch to your ear.
@PoltergeistWorks
@PoltergeistWorks Жыл бұрын
@@VintageWatchServices Thank you for your answer! Yes I can indeed hear the clicking when winding the watch with the crown, and at a certain point every 12 clicks or so I hear a double click - I assume that's the clutch mechanism preventing overwinding? You were right, I guess it is a bit more than 2 rotations of the rotor. The watch is titanium so maybe that increases the volume of the click a bit. I was suprised as I thought the automatic winding works in some different way but it is in fact connected to the click too.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices Жыл бұрын
@@PoltergeistWorks The automatic winding indeed most often works through the ratchet (or crown wheel) and thereby the click. This is since there otherwise would have to be a separate click or similar to stop the barrel from unwinding when the automatic winding is active. Less complexity is generally better :)
@PoltergeistWorks
@PoltergeistWorks Жыл бұрын
@@VintageWatchServices True. Then it has to be that same sound of the ratchet as I really don't even have to put the watch to my ear to hear it when I wind it with the crown, same as when it's wound by the rotor. I was a bit worried for a moment as most of my watches are manual wind and the only other automatic is an Aquis Cal. 400, this one has more of a constant buzz or micro clicks when the rotor spins - no distinctive click when winding from the crown either...
@robintetteroo9959
@robintetteroo9959 2 жыл бұрын
Hello thanks for the video. Would i have to send my same ebel watch to Ebel or Zenith for repair ? I tried a watchmaker, but they were unable to get the parts and since Ebel ownership ha canged many times simce the el primero modell i am confused. Kind regards
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Robin, Look for an independent watchmaker and ideally one who focuses on vintage watches. Spare parts are always possible to find, and the business model of the brand dealers is to replace as much as they can to make money on that...
@georgeliquor2931
@georgeliquor2931 2 жыл бұрын
The watch really is as good as it looks, i like the lack of angles on the case very nice
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot, George! It's a beautiful watch although certainly not everyone's taste :)
@mmcmc3476
@mmcmc3476 2 жыл бұрын
Hi! Love your channel. Two questions for you. You are located in Switzerland but Are you from Scandinavia? What brand are your curved brass tweezers? Im having a hard time finding a quality curved brass tweezer..
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks so much for your comment and for watching! Yes, I'm from Norway :) My tweezers are from Regine Horology and I used to buy them from beco-technic.com, but now that I'm in Switzerland I buy directly from the manufacturer.
@mmcmc3476
@mmcmc3476 2 жыл бұрын
@@VintageWatchServices Jeg syntes jeg hørte litt "norsk engelsk" i videoene ja :-) Flotte informative videoer du har, takk for at du deler dem med oss. Takk for info ang korntenger, jeg har sett Regine har , men ikke noen som sender til Norge enda.. Takk 😊
@mrgadget4863
@mrgadget4863 2 жыл бұрын
I once read that Ebel was bought by Porsche Design for their in-house movements when IWC stopped supplying them.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Hello, thanks for watching! I'm not aware of that, but Ebel indeed used to have a strong in-house movement capability and the Movado group intended them to be the movement provider for the group. Exactly when that fell apart I'm not sure of, but Movado has made a few odd decisions that last few years.
@petercampbell3828
@petercampbell3828 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic movement and service. I think I spotted some crocodile tears as the strap whimpered, " pardon me. Could I have a little attention too, please?".
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot, Peter! 😂
@tommern84
@tommern84 2 жыл бұрын
Can I ask you something? Are you from Norway? You have a very Norwegian way to pronounce your name and a typical Scandinavian accent 🙃 Nice video btw! I regularly watch your uploads
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tom! Yes, I'm indeed Norwegian :)
@tommern84
@tommern84 2 жыл бұрын
@@VintageWatchServices Det er kult 😁 rimelig populær kanal du har fått igang her. Ser ut som den har en stødig vekst også. Gratulerer! Hilsen Drammenser'n 😊👍
@cfcreative1
@cfcreative1 2 жыл бұрын
i think its 3600 not 36000 really cool to see a Zenith watch on the table Happy New Year.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! If it says 3600 somewhere that would indeed be a very slow tick tock 😁 I'll check the text and see if I see it
@pingpong909
@pingpong909 Жыл бұрын
Can I ask what's the base charge to service the 400 movement?? Assuming nothing needs to be replaced.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices Жыл бұрын
Hello, the base cost is CHF 520.
@larrykassebaum1926
@larrykassebaum1926 Жыл бұрын
Yes I'm a watch nerd, How much for the El Primero? Outstanding video.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices Жыл бұрын
Hello Larry, if you're seriously interested in the El Primero you can mail me at stian@vintagewatchservices.eu :)
@OscarRPalma
@OscarRPalma 11 ай бұрын
I have a Zenith el primero pilot watch, but the chrono seconds hand when is at 0 (12 o'clock) is a millimiter to the left, is not completely centered when reset, that its driving me crazy... :(
@andrasdejcsics6370
@andrasdejcsics6370 2 жыл бұрын
What website have you mentioned in the video?
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Hello András, thanks for watching! I mentioned watchguy.co.uk, it's a great resource 👍
@andrasdejcsics6370
@andrasdejcsics6370 2 жыл бұрын
@@VintageWatchServices thAnk you this site is an amazing source of information. Didn't know that you are behind it. Btw are you originally from Germany? Greetings from a newcomer watchmaker!
@SvenForbes
@SvenForbes 2 жыл бұрын
Diese Uhr ist ja ein Wunderwerk der Technik.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Danke fürs zuschauen! Ja, es ist ein wunderbares Uhrwerk und eine feine Uhr :)
@ditzydoo4378
@ditzydoo4378 2 жыл бұрын
Lovely video. not knowing better, would it be a faux pas to have the back replaced with a viewing back?
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! It would make the watch un-original to put on a display back, but it's pretty much a crime that they didn't make one on a movement like this...
@ditzydoo4378
@ditzydoo4378 2 жыл бұрын
@@VintageWatchServices weeeeellll, since it literally pops on and off. no one said a person couldn't have two backs.
@Patriot-rising
@Patriot-rising 2 жыл бұрын
The El Primero Chronomaster is an awesome watch I know. But the high beatrate does wear out parts faster unfortunately. The 36,000 VPH is awesome to watch go in person. I had been trying to find one for about 2 years and finally got lucky a week ago.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! It's a bit of a myth that the 36000vph beat rate wears out watches, given that it's really only the balance and the pallet fork that rotate a bit faster than in 28800vph watches. The relatively few 36000vph watches around is more likely down to the fact that very few people have their watches serviced as often as they should anyway, and then there's a chance of bad publicity for the makers if something goes wrong 😉
@keithmatthews1673
@keithmatthews1673 2 жыл бұрын
Fab movement but I would not want such a 'flashy' case if you paid me to wear it! Happy christmas!
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Keith and to you also! The case and dial are certainly not everyone's taste but for what it is, it looks great :)
@keithmatthews1673
@keithmatthews1673 2 жыл бұрын
@@VintageWatchServices I feel guilty now - my comment was worthy of Ebeneezer Scrooge from Dickens 'A Christmas Carol'!
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
@@keithmatthews1673 😂 No worries, it's not everyone's cup of tea
@alexanderj808
@alexanderj808 2 жыл бұрын
For Canon pinion, instead of grease is watch silicone good?
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Alexander, it might work but I'm not sure why you would use it instead of grease? The typically recommended grease is 9501 or 9504.
@floriskyprou8967
@floriskyprou8967 Жыл бұрын
good afternoon i have an el primero a386 mk3 1971 that i havent wear it for ages , i want to take it for a service and i am afraid how much will it cost....
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices Жыл бұрын
Hello Floris, if you send me a mail at stian@vintagewatchservices.eu with some photos and information about the watch, I can let you know
@EddyTeetree
@EddyTeetree 2 жыл бұрын
I think he’s exited about the next watchmaker conference with more gals involved. How to go without the wife tho 😱 Love to know what that service would have cost and if the el Primero movt is much more complicated to work on than other chronographs from that era??? Best for the New Year 🌞
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching, Eddie! Would be nice with some more girls for sure 😉 We would charge about 400 CHF for a three register chronograph service, and that's only for the work. And parts would be extra. That's even a pretty good price :) So it can indeed be pretty costly for such watches. This movement isn't particularly complicated, no. It's a relatively traditional column wheel chronograph with a couple of unusual things thrown in. A merry Christmas and happy new year to you also! 🎊🎉✨
@robertshearer4961
@robertshearer4961 2 жыл бұрын
Brand New to Watch Repairing only Since Christmas 2021 What Solution do I Buy for my Ultrasonic Machine.
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Robert, welcome to the world of watchmaking! The solution to buy really depends on where you are located, as these chemicals are rather strong and not that easy or advisable to transport in large quantities. In the US L&R is very popular, in Europe Elma 1:9 is very popular. What I would suggest however is that you get some small jars to put your parts in. What you do is to first fill the ultrasonic tank with water high up to about the lid of the jars. You fill these jars with the solution and then place them in the water in the ultrasonic tank. That way you save a lot of solution.
@ryukyuacademykarate626
@ryukyuacademykarate626 2 ай бұрын
How do i get a watch to you for cleaning?
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 ай бұрын
I don't take on regular servicing jobs but if you have a watch which might be interesting for the channel you can send a mail with photos to info@vintagewatchservices.eu
@LordCaledonFraszer
@LordCaledonFraszer 2 жыл бұрын
I've always been a fan of Roman numerals on time pieces, very classic and elegant. One thing that drives me crazy is when IIII is used to indicate 4 rather than the subtractive IV. Apparently this is acceptable usage, it appears on most Roman numeral time pieces, even antique ones, so it isn't a new trend either. That being said, we don't use VIIII to indicate 9, we use IX. There _is_ a right way to do things, and if you're not doing it the right way, you're doing it wrong.
@anderspedersen7488
@anderspedersen7488 2 жыл бұрын
I have noticed Omega does this on their Devilles. One of the most remarkable Danish kings was Christian IV - definitely not Christian IIII(!)
@VintageWatchServices
@VintageWatchServices 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Caledon, thanks for watching! It is indeed commonplace that the number 4 in Roman numerals on watch dials is miswritten as IIII rather than the correct IV. It's not for a lack of knowledge, however, it's a conscious choice to make the dial seem more balanced. Most buyers aren't aware of the proper rules for using Roman numerals, so in a cynical way it makes perfect sense... just not for purists :)
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