Why did this rare Jones Patent pistol mechanism not catch on? With firearms expert Jonathan Ferguson

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Жыл бұрын

The mid-nineteenth century saw huge strides in the development of repeater pistol mechanisms, with the introduction of the Colt Paterson revolver in 1836. Other excellent designs would follow in the ensuing decades. But, as we'll discover with the Jones, weapons designers continued to deviate from the revolver concept in favour of unique, multi-barrel systems.
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@toncek9981 Жыл бұрын

- Hey guys, wanna buy my new gun? It's less than an inch wide! - Oh so it's small and suitable for conceal carrying? - That depends on the size of your pocket, I guess...

@gergokerekes4550 Жыл бұрын

well if you think about it old time coats had big pockets so maybe you could put it there.

@wom_Bat Жыл бұрын

About as concelable as a flask.

@empireatwar840 Жыл бұрын

The forbidden kitkat!

@jonathanferguson1211 Жыл бұрын

Love this :)

@Gatorade69 Жыл бұрын

Good one.

@derekp2674 Жыл бұрын

Really fascinating, thanks Jonathan and team. It was great to see how that mechanism was supposed to work. I suppose that, with the weight of 5 or even 10 barrels, these pistols would be quite useful as primitive clubs, after all shots were fired.

@chroma6947 Жыл бұрын

Quite awkward to grip if your doing a standard pistol whip have to hit them with the barrels somehow and not the usual pistol grip method

@Tallus_ap_Mordren Жыл бұрын

@@chroma6947 I suppose you could “buffalo” them with the barrels, like Wyatt Earp was frequently purported to do.

@Candrsenal Жыл бұрын

I demand you rename this show "Things Othais asked me about last month."

@Kraakesolv Жыл бұрын

❤️❤️❤️

@fallous Жыл бұрын

One huge benefit this would have over contemporary designs is the much lower effort for double action shooting, much more akin to a modern automatic pistol in that you have to manually cock once and then can fire the rest of the "magazine" with the low effort of single action trigger.

@nickverbree Жыл бұрын

When at 11:28 he rhetorically asks "why didn't it catch on?" I fully expected him to say "well, because it's clearly a bit daft!"

@hbomb3251 Жыл бұрын

Jonathan is here once more! Hello everyone!

@giorgiomalvone8956 Жыл бұрын

It looks like a Kit-Kat!

@Swedishmafia101MemeCorporation Жыл бұрын

Almost looks like a vertical duckfoot pistol lol

@mats7492 Жыл бұрын

That’s essentially what that is Only difference is that doesn’t fire all barrels at once

@jonathanferguson1211 Жыл бұрын

@@mats7492 The ducksfoot also angles the barrels in a fan arrangement - these are parallel.

@handlesarefeckinstupid Жыл бұрын

Absolutely isn't. There is no spread.

@Kraakesolv Жыл бұрын

@@mats7492 The only thing they have in common is having more barrels than most guns. Most duck's foot guns had four barrels even, never seen one with five come to think of it. So if that makes them essentially the same you might as well say it's essentially a Gatling gun.

@bl4cksp1d3r Жыл бұрын

I've seen this one so often!!! Always wondered how it works

@Getpojke Жыл бұрын

Oh I like that! I think the slab sidedness of it would make it pretty intimidating when stuck in someones face back in the day. Many thanks for letting us see the workings of it.

@Manco65 Жыл бұрын

Notice the stacked double barrel variant to the left in the patent drawing....😳 I wonder if it's possible the spring has weakened with age with regards to it's tempering?

@jonathanferguson1211 Жыл бұрын

I suspect so, yes. I actually thought the uppermost position was non-functional because there's a trick to getting it all the way up there - you have to pull the hammer up and forward for that one.

@Ukraineaissance2014 Жыл бұрын

fun as it is, I also just suspect it's a bit of a crap design

@chroma6947 Жыл бұрын

@@Ukraineaissance2014 Yup a pepperbox is way more practical

@profpep Жыл бұрын

Fascinating. THanks Jonathon. Has similarities to a clock escapement, which is perhaps what gave the inventor the idea.

@_Lineman_ Жыл бұрын

This needs to be in a gothic fps

@RaeSyngKane Жыл бұрын

Always interesting to see the multi-shot firearms that the reliable revolver surge killed off. Would love to see a weapons extinction video on similar firearms that got wiped out by a wave of better ones or just one.

@edwardbarton1680 Жыл бұрын

This would be an interesting mechanism to see a mockup using 3d-printed parts.

@andyd2960 Жыл бұрын

Ya that would be cool.

@Afro408 Жыл бұрын

So he took the trigger mechanism idea from a clock escapement wheel. Neat. 👍

@DirtyHairy1 Жыл бұрын

reminds me of the handgun of 'Space: 1999' :)

@taianonni Жыл бұрын

I could see this weapon as a gentlemans (or anyone sporting a coat) concealable firearm without any need for a holster and gives a very clean look. Almost like an Derringer met a 1911 in a bar (single stack larger calibre)... It's too bad it doesnt seem to hold the same reliability as its competitors, because I could see it definitely holding a niche in society.

@chroma6947 Жыл бұрын

Gentleman would use a pepperbox or derringer maybe a colt pocket model in 1840s and 50s

@taianonni Жыл бұрын

@@chroma6947 Agreed, there were some others that were in that niche, I could just see it giving a cleaner look when concealed compared to the competitors

@idiotidiot5821 Жыл бұрын

Would be a gorgeous quirky gun for a video game

@18robsmith Жыл бұрын

One has to ponder upon what designer was partaking when he (they?) designed this magnificent piece.....

@Gatorade69 Жыл бұрын

Alcohol and opium.

@howardchambers9679 Жыл бұрын

Suffolk? Aarrr that be coider that be!

@IndianaJoe3 Жыл бұрын

Probably trying to figure out ways around a patent.

@ray.shoesmith Жыл бұрын

More than 5 shots that's for sure

@Gabrong Жыл бұрын

Attach a small blade to its bottom and use it as a small axe when you run out. Also, with all of that steel it is useful as a shield too :D if you put a couple of this on your torso you are bulletproof

@russellharris5072 Жыл бұрын

It looks like the sort of thing Sherlock Homes' nemesis would try to use against him..........................................

@jonathanferguson1211 Жыл бұрын

It would certainly have fitted well in the Guy Ritchie movies.

@kencampbell1750 Жыл бұрын

Really neat to see the mechanism. Is the trigger press consistent from the top of the stairs to the bottom?

@jonathanferguson1211 Жыл бұрын

It varies noticeably, but not significantly.

@kencampbell1750 Жыл бұрын

@@jonathanferguson1211 Thanks much!

@GunsmithSid Жыл бұрын

I got to work on one of those types that was a 10 barrel a left and right handed set and the trigger would alternate the left and right, top to bottom double action. There were no patent or maker’s marks on it.

@dlnk_dl Жыл бұрын

Oh sick that’s awesome

@greycatturtle7132 Жыл бұрын

Nice gun

@Yoel_Mizrachi Жыл бұрын

A: "Give me five!" B: "ok... It's your funeral"

@Bird_Dog00 Жыл бұрын

Hey Jonathan, I have a question: How do you select the guns you make those videos about? What are the criteria you use to select them?

@jonathanferguson1211 Жыл бұрын

The format (created by my colleague Jack) being (for those that want to play along) a test of knowledge/guessing game of sorts (it originated on social media as just photos of weird guns!), there has to be something unusual about the piece - either the whole thing or some interesting technical or historical feature. We also like to include things with any known history behind them. A lot of the collection can obviously fit this one way or another. Realistically, I have limited time to specifically choose objects for this series, so I often drop in things that I've discovered during cataloguing, research, or external enquiries. Finally, although muzzle-loading arms don't do very well at all in terms of views etc, I try to include one per recording session because they are such an important part of our collection and of firearms history.

@Bird_Dog00 Жыл бұрын

@@jonathanferguson1211 Thank you for your answer. There have been some very interesting guns in those videos I have never even heard off (the repeater conversion for the Martini-Henry comes to mind). Interesting comment on muzzle-loaders. I can immagine that muzzle-loaders are seen as not as interesting from a technical perspective. There simply isn't as much "going on" as in a repeater or self-loader. Keep up the great work.

@thebananasam2897 Жыл бұрын

It looks like this could still be one half of a full pistol. That half of the rear sight might be removed to allow the right sided pistol to attach, creating a full rear sight as well. Not sure if this is an earlier or later iteration, possibly just a proof of concept for their "slinky action" later patented as a dual sided pistol.

@ParanoidCarrot Жыл бұрын

wonderful video ! give us an artillery videooo

@toxiecrusader5323 Жыл бұрын

What fascinating technology that was really cool

@wom_Bat Жыл бұрын

The sound quality has come a long way.

@onpsxmember Жыл бұрын

When you go to the right to show something on the other camera it's not used or you have to move around a lot for the lighting. Give filming from above a try for close ups. You see the movement in a natural way facing you, the stability of the table makes it easier to control and still images can be used as well while being less blinded. Now you have the weight of the handgun while on your elbows moving it around. The whole table in view is so far away for handguns. It would've been nice to see those patents of the two row model as a still image or at least a link to it in the description. A quite interesting mechanism.

@TheSynrgy1987 Жыл бұрын

Kind of seems like it should have another mirrored gun to attach to the flat side to form a joined pair that could be separated, maybe they were going for that with this design. Would be a cool concept for a video game weapon.

@jonathanferguson1211 Жыл бұрын

That IS a cool idea!

@gergokerekes4550 Жыл бұрын

it reminds me of the double 1911 pistol in a way.

@gergokerekes4550 Жыл бұрын

I am sorry for not paying attention the whole way through, the cannon-helmet got my mind stuck like deer in headlights. wearers neck must have been built strong.

@exploatores Жыл бұрын

I don´t think you have to figure out. how to reaload that one in a hurry.

@jameshealy4594 Жыл бұрын

@@exploatores Step one throw can of powder in your face, step two headbutt the ball. ;)

@wilsonlaidlaw Жыл бұрын

Just managed to find a copy of Winant's Firearms Curiosa at a very reasonable price from a bookseller in Huntly Scotland. Coincidentally, this is about 5 miles from where I was born.

@edthebumblingfool Жыл бұрын

new precision tools or even an electronic system could make that work very well, metal storm tech could also turn that into a 40 shot disposable pistol

@cazarilolsen4630 Жыл бұрын

Love it, must have been fast firing.

@avnrulz8587 Жыл бұрын

'Flat as a pancake' is a good album by Head East.

@Calum_S Жыл бұрын

That helmet gun looks amazing.

@jiubboatman9352 Жыл бұрын

Reminds me of the escapement on a watch or clock.

@Kaboomf Жыл бұрын

I was going to comment, that trigger interfacing with what Jonathan calls "ratchet teeth" is clearly a clockwork-inspired escapement mechanism.

@walshygel2 Жыл бұрын

Reminds me of a KitKat bar

@cosmo9882 Жыл бұрын

Quite clever 🙂

@tarmaque Жыл бұрын

Wow! Another one you got to before Ian. Somewhere in the world Ian's ears are itching and he doesn't know why.

@user-es5vz5ry2j Жыл бұрын

From now on, this will officially be known as the Slinkey-action.

@robertsloan2877 Жыл бұрын

Don't toss it down the stairs lol

@idiotidiot5821 Жыл бұрын

Everyone loves it

@kirkmooneyham Жыл бұрын

The whole five barrel thing seems to be overkill because it's simply too tall. However, if it had been made as a double-barrel pocket pistol, it might have been a good idea. Simple enough, and very flat, making it rather concealable.

@wom_Bat Жыл бұрын

Then they are in direct competition with companies like deranger.

@gsxrjeff Жыл бұрын

that grip assemble looks very much like an early die cast part

@douglasfur3808 Жыл бұрын

The mechanism looks like a clockwork escapement.

@jamiedalton2623 Жыл бұрын

I'd like to see a tactical version with rails and accessories, bullet counter etc..

@wom_Bat Жыл бұрын

Reflex scope with a G3 magnifier and a under mounted visible blue lazer, with a tactical flashlight on the side.

@jamiedalton2623 Жыл бұрын

@@wom_Bat You're the guy she told me not to worry about!

@Serketry88 Жыл бұрын

@@wom_Bat You'd need five laser sights, naturally, for ultimate precision.

@wom_Bat Жыл бұрын

@@Serketry88 it will look like Isacs gun in dead space.😂

@snailfarmer Жыл бұрын

There's an affordable paperback version of Firearms Curiosa still in print in case you don't want to hunt for a pricey second hand hardback copy.

@REXOB9 Жыл бұрын

What an awesome pistol! Would love to shoot it!

@MadMagyar13 Жыл бұрын

Ah yes, the KitKat bar of death

@Jesses001 Жыл бұрын

What an interesting design. I do not think it is that practical with 5 shots, but 2 or 3 makes some sense. Might cost to much for that though, ha. Either way, very intersting.

@marcellosilva9286 Жыл бұрын

I think Nightmare Creatures had a gun that looked like this

@MechanicalRabbits Жыл бұрын

this looks like a final fantasy gun

@phileas007 Жыл бұрын

nifty, but I can see why the pepperbox was preferred.

@bellakaldera3305 Жыл бұрын

So cool! I want one! For EDC! What caliber is it?

@jonathanferguson1211 Жыл бұрын

edit - looked up the wrong gun, sigh!

@robbiemer8178 Жыл бұрын

@@jonathanferguson1211 Err, .44 seems fine, but "rimfire"? surely not? Although this pistol using cased ammunition and not percussion might be a step up. Except it would like need to be a bit larger then to accommodate some way to open and close all those barrels. :) I do wonder how good (or not) the trigger pull is, though. It seems like it would need to be fairly stout. Regardless, thank you very much for showing us this!

@markvickroy6725 Жыл бұрын

@@robbiemer8178 why not? .44 Henry (rimfire) and other "big bore" rimfire cartridges were once common.

@robbiemer8178 Жыл бұрын

@@markvickroy6725 Because the pistol shown in this video is a percussion fired weapon, not a cartridge weapon. I know that .44 rimfire was a real cartridge, just not in the Jones Patent pistol.

@jonathanferguson1211 Жыл бұрын

@@robbiemer8178 Good grief, sorry - I looked up the wrong gun; the giveaway is my mention of 'Hammond' - which is indeed .44RF. This I actually failed to measure, unfortunately. I will catalogue it in due course and check. From memory, it's close to .36"

@chooseyouhandle Жыл бұрын

Looks like something from borderlands

@Coolshows101 Күн бұрын

Why are my only quality options 360p and 1080 premium?

@BIG-DIPPER-56 Жыл бұрын

COOL AS HECK ! ! ! WHAT CALIBER ??? 🙂😎👍

@MikaelKKarlsson Жыл бұрын

A short axe-edge on the bottom would have topped it off.

@craigdavidson4378 Жыл бұрын

Some good gunsmith really should build a good copy of this that will work with modern percussion caps - just to test and use in movirs

@Drimirin Жыл бұрын

Where is the guy who asked for this review on the last video? I hope he is stoked to have his odd family heirloom critiqued by an expert.

@vinceparke5740 Жыл бұрын

Is it like a clock escapement?

@tandemcharge5114 Жыл бұрын

Only knew this because of Steampunk stories

@johnnyappleseed6415 Жыл бұрын

Because of Monty Python every time some Brit says Ipswich I chuckle...

@DSzaks Жыл бұрын

Mechanically simple, but conceptually too complex to market. I imagine 5 barrels made the thing a bit front heavy as well :P

@wrxs1781 Жыл бұрын

Good video on an interesting piece, also the #10 &11 modern percussion do not have the integrity of the originals of the day.

@idiotidiot5821 Жыл бұрын

What did the 5 fingers say to the face? Thats what this gun reminds me of

@danieljob3184 Жыл бұрын

I imagine the idea was a gun you could easily hide, for instance in a humidor beneath a layer of cigars.

@RisikoAO Жыл бұрын

sooooo steampunky :D

@corogast Жыл бұрын

Woah, I've never seen such a unique, and weird pistol. xD

@ComradeXapuc Жыл бұрын

Semiauto?

@parrotraiser6541 Жыл бұрын

Joneses up with whom it would not be worth keeping?

@scrappydoo7887 Жыл бұрын

I'm guessing chain fire?

@jonathanferguson1211 Жыл бұрын

It's possible, but since there's no cylinder, impossible in terms of a frontal ignition. As long as the caps were tightly fitting (which historically they were) probably unlikely. And if it did happen, at least you get a volley :)

@calvingreene90 Жыл бұрын

If you can make it work reliably it would sit nicely in your back pocket. But I'd buy a pepper pot.

@magecraft2 Жыл бұрын

What it needs is a fire selector which allows you to shoot all 5 in one go :) Do that and it would earn its place in any steam punk setting :) (what am I saying it already has its place, look at it !! )

@las10plagas Жыл бұрын

and if you held down the trigger, you would fire all 5 rounds in one trigger pull? would be awesome! :)

@HCGonzalezJr87 Жыл бұрын

lol the slinky mechanism.

@90lancaster Жыл бұрын

Your sound levels are a little low, I have everything turned up and can barely hear J.

@robertdeen8741 Жыл бұрын

You say it split in two? The first "Snap Cap"?

@nigelbarker8726 Жыл бұрын

I didn't hear him say snap cap. He said "percussion cap" at 7:10, only one ignited, and that split.

@logruszed Жыл бұрын

Glock 48 MkI

@taj1994 Жыл бұрын

What's with the full minute of nothing at the end?

@greyareaRK1 Жыл бұрын

Cool idea. Looks like a violent pan flute.

@phildicks4721 Жыл бұрын

As cool as it looks and works, I still think I'd rather have a Howdah Pistol with 4 shots.

@clifbradley Жыл бұрын

once you fired your five shots, it became a handy shield.

@jamesharmer9293 Жыл бұрын

This video has 9 minutes of tease.

@literallyjudas2157 Жыл бұрын

KitKat gun

@thelemonman420 Жыл бұрын

weezer is gone with one to spare

@beek014 Жыл бұрын

please get a different color table cloth beige fi

@victoreem2 Жыл бұрын

Its O/A/O/A/O pistol

@oldschoolmedia6484 Жыл бұрын

No views 3 likes KZfaq is broken entertaining video as always

@CrowManyClouds Жыл бұрын

So, is this an over under, under, under, under or an over, over, over, over under? 🤪

@gergokerekes4550 Жыл бұрын

a break-action with 5 barrel in a line with good ejectors would be a sight to behold. and a good workout for your arms.

@IndianaJoe3 Жыл бұрын

Well, they could both be Welsh. (Insert joke about, "Jones the spy" here.)

@Ukraineaissance2014 Жыл бұрын

perfect for those countless situations when you need to hide a gun inside a sandwich

@aclevername9381 Жыл бұрын

There was a HELMET GUN and it was not adopted? Ok, that's it. I no longer have any faith left in humanity.

@kevlarandchrome Жыл бұрын

A duck's foot subjected to an Oriental foot binding and run by a clock escapement. Wild.

@daviddavidson2357 Жыл бұрын

What reason was there to make multi-barreled guns after a working revolver had been designed decades earlier? There must have been a reason, right? I mean there's a reason for volley guns to exist, but why this?

@frostedbutts4340 Жыл бұрын

Two reasons, Colt had a really strong patent that basically blocked others from making revolvers without paying royalties. You can also make very compact / flat pepperbox pistols.. this one is a bit chunky though.