I agree, Дмитро should learn some basic maths from brilliant

Could it be that the Debug runs the TestApp, Release runs the "real" game?

I wonder if he was trolling?? Quite an elaborate troll if so.

"Just give me the .exe"! Basically that.

Cmake is gross, and silently installing dependencies is disgusting. All of this is terrible security. I would rather not have any software auto update. Cmake needs to be replaced with something simpler and safer.

Or on a VM

​@@dummyaccount1706containers though?..

I just set up Jenkins CI/CD and have it built in docker runner

@@rafal9ck817 yep yep

Its so easy to make a dockerfile to build, especially when you do cross-platform. Essential for running tests on each platform

Not using Docker, the best tool in the world moment

@@RemoteAccessGG it works on my computer, then gives entire docker container of computer

@@imo098765ez

he forgot the basics while trying to impress the reviewer with fancy stuff

Or a VM

lol XD

@@nitinrawat4522 🤣

😂😂😂

😂

That's deep

And if you bit off more than you could chew this is a huge red flag for the interviewer as well. I'll take a small project that runs over a project with huge ambitions but doesn't compile any day

Yes the interviewer, the one who is already a professional should have it made easy, because figuring out how to compile and run programs never happens on the job. Maybe the interviewer just lost a promising programmer due to their incompetence in figuring out the problem.

@@abuDA-bt6ei Imagine this, you go to the mall to buy a shirt, you don't really care about the brand you just want a good quality shirt. There are 100s of stores at the mall. You walk down the path and start smelling shit, then turn your head and see a store that's flooded with sewage water, the sales rep assures you that they store their products safely in a vault in the back and they have the best quality shirts in the mall! Would you go in or just try one of the 100s other stores that are not covered in shit.

@@xXCheapTofuXx If that shit covered store truly did have the best shirts and I went somewhere else, I would’ve missed out on the best shirts. If getting the best shirts meant the success of my totally legal offbrand shirt selling company, then I just missed out very on much profit, all because I made my decision off a first glance and didn’t even look at the product itself..

@@abuDA-bt6ei you will never get to buy your shirt if you have to spend 20 minutes in 100 stores. Your problem is that you don't see the bigger picture. You want the BEST shirt in the mall in the LOWEST amount of time. Cost/Benefit. If you go into the shit covered store you HAVE to also go into every single store. So instead of buying a shirt that day you will spend the next week shopping and going into every single store. Whereas you could have gotten a really really good shirt in 1 hour. You do this yourself everyday. You want a new phone? are you going to spend years reverse engineering every single phone on the market so that you understand every single part, or are you just going to act on face value and known facts. you probably bought an android because "apple sucks" but did you spend 5 years learning every single function of code inside the apple device so that you can come to the conclusion that its bad or did you just take it at face value that apple is a shit company. again, you would never have a phone then.

the roast went so hard we barely got to the code part

​@@varunfighter4871 when the rest is so roastable you can't even get to the main part

I always hate it when job applicants assume confidently that their code will be good enough for a roast, while I can spot a pile of garbage from a mile. It's insulting.

I don't think it's even that. He never even got to the code since it's a nightmare to build...

Which code? I see no code, all I see is powershell and build errors.

It’s a build system review

there was no code dawg

It's a no-code review, lol

we had that in java or so I heard then we all duked it out with Maven. Call Stroustroup

You pay a price for the complexity and power (and admittedly historical baggage) of these languages. While I understand your criticism, I can't really fully agree. The basics of CMake are simple and easy, and the basics are all you need for a project like this. A minimal CMakeLists.txt is like four or five lines. Then it's just "paste this bit to add this dependency". I haven't checked the websites but I bet all the dependencies used had something like "insert this shit in your CMakeLists.txt to use this library". Seems like this person massively overcomplicated this work to their detriment. If CMake is too much for this beginner, they would have been much better off just saying "install this dependency" and then sticking with a raw VS solution. I would accept that from a junior without another though - I know they don't know everything yet. They shot themselves in the foot by massively overdoing it, and doing it very badly, and making everything more difficult for the reviewer.

I'm mildly allergic to cmake, but I've found premake to be way friendlier. Not always an option, of course.

Yeah, the CMake sometimes works, but it's not very well integrated, you still need to keep notes how to run it because of -G, -T, debug flags, etc. Each OS still requires it's own defines. There are legacy and nonlegacy parameters, static and dynamic linking, symbols, it's not easy to use. And the point about having one person dealing with CMake is exactly right. One person on CMake, one on Docker, one on CI, and then we wonder why everything is buggy and takes so long to develop.

And this is exactly why this has no business being part of the evaluation. The applicant doesn't know anything about the interviewers system (and the potentially very restrictive IT policies placed upon it). It is complete nonsense to expect someone to provide a one-click solution in the complete and utter clusterfuck that is the C++ ecosystem. Imho the interviewer should provide a minimal project for the applicant to build their stuff with. Then the jumping through hoops part is placed on the applicant and things are guaranteed to work out without too much of a hassle.

Sounds like Go project

@@severgun sounds like a normal, well designed project in any language/system.

How about no steps at all. As soon as he opens the email, everything runs automatically 🦴 (yeah, I tried to type skeleton to get ☠️, but you get it).

git clone conan build ./build/release/myapp.exe

@@phee3D ever tried to build Chromium? Or Pytorch? Tensorflow?

Can you not instead use a virtual machine?

​@@EmiliaHoarfrostYes, yes you can! But honestly just setup Docker and run all your build and tests on all platforms you target no more surprises

@@EmiliaHoarfrost Yes you can but for me it's more convenient to test on some other machine.

@@MrSofazocker docker is not a VM, can't emulate a whole operating system, so you can't check whether your app runs on windows if you're running docker on linux (and if you're running docker on windows it seems you're just running docker inside linux VM)

Yeah, but if your friend's machine also have installed an undeclared dependency then you'll still miss it. It's better to test in a clean environment to be sure IMO.

Tbh I just assumed universally everyone would instantly reject anything they can't immediately evaluate.

Yeah, especially today's job market, any small red flag just means instant rejection.

But Ikea's instructions work.

🤣 OMG!

Damn it feels real😂

Wow

well, i watched at 1.5x

I noticed how rapidly "Cplusplus" kept spitting out of his mouth

Did you get it?

small game dev team just needed an animation system and used you to write one ;)

@@and_then_I_whispered I didn't even bother attempting it, I had three other job assignments that were far, far more reasonable to do and made sense, they emailed me like a week later asking how I got on and I told them I wanted to withdraw and focus my attention on other applications. in case anyone is interested the other assignments I were given were games that I had to both add additional gameplay aspects to and find and solve bugs in the current version of the game. far, far more enjoyable tests that actually tried to understand my level of programming expertise.

@@MrStaples441 generally what I thought they were trying to do, I was very conscious of this potentially happening when I was applying for the lesser known/lower workforce game companies. the thing is, if they didn't explicitly forbid me from using the libraries Unity has to assist in making the animation system I probably would have given it an attempt as it would have been an interesting learning experience, but I had far better job applications at the time that actually made me excited to do.

@@collwyr yeah this actually sounds like a really fun unique challenge, but I had the same thought regarding them trying to outsource free work from interview candidates

You may well be right, but sadly from the perspective of the interviewer it doesn't even matter. There are far too many excuses to throw this application in the trash before you even get to the game.

Yeah the game is probably there, but if an interviewer has to run through this many hoops to get it to work, then you've already failed.

​@@ColinBroderickMaths Yeah if I were the interviewer this would be an omen that my colleagues and I would likely be spending a lot of time polishing his turds. Kudos to him for trying but he's got a lot to learn. Might actually get a critique back from the employer if they could actually build/run it lol

Never assume malice when incompetence explains it

Gosh, this reminds me of this stupid uni assignment where I spent half a year building this Unreal Engine car simulator because I had to do a source build to load the damn custom vehicle of my supervisor into the simulator. It was like Docker calling Bash calling CMake calling C# calling clang. Like how ridiculous can you make this stupid build pipeline?! This crap build process ran like 3 hours and generated 300GB whereas only 12GB were actually needed to run the game. Gladly it was not my PC and the SSD survived somehow.

If set up correctly, building a C++ project should be as simple as typing "cmake " and then "ninja" or "make" or whatever you use

@@theforeskinsnatcher373 Yeah, I'm setting up proper CMake for my own projects as well like any sane C/C++ developer would.

The small snippets we saw looked pretty bad, so it would be another roast for sure. I don't even mean the code necessarily, just the sheer volume of code/comment detritus that was littered around not doing anything. From the perspective of an interviewer, that looks extremely sloppy and I would not be keen to hire that person when I have a hundred others waiting for a chance. Honestly given how poorly they seem to understand their compiler and build system, I'm surprised and perversely impressed that this person ever managed to get the game running at all.

@@theforeskinsnatcher373 Yeah, arguably that's all that CMake is really for. To automate all these complicated build preparations so the user doesn't have to worry about it.

Python is imposter.

chatgpt

That's just an AI

yeah, that's how my bootcamp requires readmes to look. hundreds of lines of 'what is this project' before anything technical.

whats the job title ?

@@musashi542 it was for a junior c++ developer position

I remember spending the whole week-end(like 25 hours) to write a copy Tank 90 Dandy game with QT. Another week-end was spent on small copy of MS Paint. I was a "switcher" with no work experience and was ready to accept any challenge. It was a hard time!

@@mgoonga I would not agree to do such a huge test assignment. In my opinion, the approximate time to complete a test task should not exceed 4 hours.

@@mikolash8246 Sure, one needs to be desperate to take such assignments. I was taking any assignment because there was not much choice and I was dying to switch to c++ programming. Now, 7 years latter, I work for Samsung as a Senior C++ dev in Advanced graphics department.

Make you're shit easier to build and he might?

Very much agree. You can't just always take the toilet paper-roll approach to every project and zoom in on your daily duties, disregarding the rest of the flow (QA, wink, wink anyone?). However, for an interview code test/project?

You will use whatever build system is already used in the company, it's set up in one day and does not deserve that much attention.

@nandakoryaaa1401 I am working in an embedded environment and every 2-3 years, when we start new projects, we have to setup a complete new environment based on the product needs. And we as developer are making the decisions.

@@sebastianschneider326 then make a decision, no problem. You don't have to show your decision to some random guy on youtube to be approved.

When my current employer asked me to do homework, I declined politely and got the job.

CS is a field that's weird like that

and yet theres still morons running rampant so maybe it should be stricter

I don't think he had projects on his resume.

No. And you forgot a closing bracket. lol

Well, let's just hope they actually have all the usual warnings enabled and then some. It could easily produce 0 warnings by disabling them.

This is an impossible task. "One click" builds that work on all system configurations don't exist in C++ (if they did, people would use them). If you think that is not true, then you just haven't seen enough. If you managed to do it in the past, you were just lucky.

@@daven9536 So you are saying everyone spends hours to try to get running these interview assigments? I think you are in the wrong here. I understand that it could be hard but here we are talking about visual studio on windows. Everything should be just recognized automatically at least that is my experience with that. Of course if you want to build something with XY additional function obviously you have to make those changes, but if you want to build something you shouldn't have to run 6 different scripts and fix error messages.

​@@daven9536even if we have two builds, we can write a wrapper build to conditionally execute one of the builds based on os

​@@daven9536skill issue

Which he also didn't reviewed because he didn't liked the readmes or didn't build, and talked half an hour of building and readmes, this "series" Is a joke now. Just cherno farming videos.

​@@anthonysteinervyou're just mad. If you can't make a decent project just admit it lol.

@@bobsemple9341 ngl but this a project in C, and it's inherent to be longer to setup and is pretty hard too if the guy didn't know about containers.

Worked out of box lmao Vc++6 was not that good

Huh? VS and CMake have nothing to do with that really. You can still just download the dependencies manually, add them to your VS soulution, zip it and send it wherever you want IF you don't care about what CMake/Ninja/vcpkg are trying to solve. People used to do that, and now same people don't want changes to C++ because it will break compatibility with their 20 year old .dll's that they have no way to rebuild since they lost the source code or whatever. It's just the requirements changed over time and people desire easier dependency management (because we don't want to redistribute zips manually between 100+ developers in the team, and a hotfix 1 day later in a similar manner), easier cross-platform builds (because Windows is not the only OS that exists and is bad for a lot of applications actually), independence from VS (because some of us prefer other compilers and code editing capabilities) and so on.

Number of commits don't mean crap! I had this argument with my client just the other day! I only push what works; not any crap that I just added 3 lines of code to.

I saw someone on another video that essentially said he has his own library of functions/ extended classes built up over the last 20 years. Along with all the issues in open source that are being found out, it seems like this would be the best route for everyone.

We all start out dumb and then we learn. And learning never stops (well, it will eventually, when our brain stops having the capacity to learn or when we kick the bucket, whichever happens first).

too bad no one wants to hire juniors anymore unless they got 30+ years experience and personally developed C++ with Bjarne himself 😭

@@The1Wolfcast Just transition to Rust or Go then. Or write C++ extensions for Python. There's plenty of demand for performance.

Works on my machine is not even acceptable for a university assignment.

He did build scripts but did not test them on VM or docker. That is the lesson.

@@not_ever Indeed. For an assignment the program has to work. At least if the supervisor isn't even too lazy to execute the code.

its crazy how everyone knows how to do it better than this guy constantly flaming him

You are not alone! It's an insult to be asked to produce such work, only for them to essentially not be bothered to get it working! I'm happy to submit examples of work, but I won't sit and create full projects just for an interview.

exactly.

Then it must be over for you

Maybe thats a non issue when you look what the Do first? Its no magic after All

@@MrDasfried "Maybe thats a non issue when you look what the Do first? Its no magic after All" - The recent xz utils backdoor begs to differ.

You implicitly trust the developer not to have provided source code to a virus! The build environment being hostile is the least of your worries.

I use MacOS at work. Others might use Windows or Linux. They may use intel or arm cpus. Depending on that, the compilation has to be different. One could provide a VM, I'm not sure but if it was for an assignment, I'd ask this in advance and just build for the specific OS and architecture. But this is a self-taught programmer with maybe not too much experience. He'll learn a lot by this review. Hope he doesn't get discouraged by this.

Well you lecture cs so you’ve already failed.

You want a build expert, not a developer. I learned C back in the mid 1990s, and ran build and link manually from the command line. I understand very well how the system goes together. Modern build environments are bloated crap, like pretty much everything else.

For the possibility of an interview, to then get ghosted. 💀*

@@stevebob240 nah 💀take my game engine dont have time to make useless shit anyway