Exactly. People just don't realize this until they're old enough.

Father of 3, wife, job. I use mint BTW.

Kidding. I love it.

You could try and apply for a classical support job, they don't pay the big IT bucks, but if you have decent knowledge of Windows (and Office), know how to find a solution in the web, and are not afraid to learn, then it is the best you can do to enter the field and (l)earn on the job. Since you have some knowledge on Linux systems (which is rare if you consider the fact that 2% of all gamers on steam have any Linux system running, and most Windows users are terminally afraid of the terminal), getting into server related stuff is going to be easy for you, since it just the same -gui and more detailed knowledge on how to configure.

I would've started with arch but you see the computer i wanted to test out linux on is 16 years old and runs just a tad bit faster than a centipede. So lubuntu it was!

This comment has convinced me, Arch it is, cheers dude.

Starting with arch expedites the learning process by magnitudes. I did the same.

Thanks, this comment reminded me to pacman -Syu again :)

The only problem with your comment is that you use "sudo" instead of the CHADier, glorious "doas"!

Same but the order of distros is a little bit different and I also went through OpenSUSE

Sudo still is bloated BS...

me personally i always broke debian based distros but not arch it just works

I couldn’t use arch before I managed to successfully do LFS, then when I came back to arch it was like I could see the matrix.

For me personally, the headache of learning arch is definitely worth it.

From my experience, I learned how Linux works just by using Arch. This is because when something doesn't work, you need to investigate and learn why this is happening. Arch is mainly for users who are willing to take the time and effort in learning and don't be frustrated when not an easy solution is around the corner. Maybe you are more into having a distro that just works and don't want or have the time to learn and fix it for yourself.

​@@williamalexanderbernalgonz6536 The wonderful thing about Arch is that they expect you to go through this, so documentation is thorough. Such that they recommend checking the recent news on their site even before doing kernel updates and stuff. Not sure if other distros do this, but they for sure don't emphasize it

This is why I love EndeavourOS. Just set up Arch the easy way with none of the Manjaro/Garuda downsides, and it even has some installers built into the welcome screen for someone starting out.

I think that's the best way to do it! Nothing wrong with trying out other Linux distros as a hobby.

I personally found myself having problems using Arch and anything Debian-based personally. I've been using Nobara lately, because that's essentially Fedora with a ton of gaming, media consumption, laptop GPU, and peripheral tweaks done for you. Plus being able to just install RPM packages and to use the copr for user repositories without having to compile anything is really nice.

Same. Linux Mint is the best "just works" distro out there. I love it since everything works, every program I could ever want will have a .deb file ready to go, nothing breaks, it's all a great time. I keep the hopping contained to my QEMU-KVM virt machines.

Relatable, Linux Mint is stable as hell (from what I experienced). Worked better for me than Ubuntu. Currently using the Debian Edition, has some drawbacks on the installer side and additional drivers, but especially because I have used Arch before, this was no challenge. Really a great distro

I kinda agree with you. For me that's still arch. Sure at the beginning it's slower since you need to get used to the tools and tweak them, but in the end it causes me to actually know my tools. But that's not really why I use it. I use it because it's simply fun tinkering. Not everything has to be about productivity and work. You also need some time to come down. If you don't like tinkering, don't use arch. If it's your goal to be more productive, don't use Arch. For me personally that's simply a side effect of using arch and not the reason

@@zekiz774 I used to be a tinkerer, and many like you still are. All depends on what a computer is to you. For me, it’s become a means to an end less than a hobby. It’s what it can do that interests me. The rest is for comp engineers and software developers. Having fun with it is important tho!

i use gentoo too btw

I use Popos for a year now and it’s just awesome

Shows how unique the experiences are. I use Endeavour daily and never had issues with it. It just works

I had the exact same experience except the PopOS part, I just didn't try it yet.

NixOS is over engineered... It has the opposite philosophy of KISS

yessir!

_The true red pilled based gigachad supreme distro worth shilling for!_

The comment I was looking for 😂❤

Hi! I am using NixOS as of this week. I set up Impermanence. It forces your whole OS to be declarative. Have you tried it? I am loving it!

In my opinion the best way to use Arch Linux for work is from a fast external SSD. Saves you from ever having to reinstall on any PC / laptop you might be using in the future. I agree that installing Arch Linux on a new system without such a solution can be a time sink, especially if you care about encryption.

If you can figure it all out, Arch is a seamless experience and it really does get out of your way. Some hardware may be a little extra work, but getting over the hump is well worth it.

Same bro, i want my game on outside os drive but it's hard like its not like windows just ask "where to install this crap" when installation 🤣

Is it the distro where you have to compile everything from source? Please i don't have 128GB RAM and an 18-core CPU here.

@@SianaGearz ...And never heard about Arch's ABS it seems.

@@finoderi so? Every system has an automated way to build a package. I've only ever used Ubuntu LTS forks for the last decades for a simple reason: semiconductor manufacturer tooling by Ti, Altera, Xilinx and whomever else is specified either for RHEL/CentOS or for Ubuntu LTS. No other options. And still you avoid. Compiling Chromium or Firefox is bound to take half a day. Imagine compiling KDE. I don't want to have to dedicate computational power to that every week when I could be using the system instead.

​@@SianaGearz On my Ryzen 3600 with 32 Gb RAM Firefox compiles in just 21 minutes and LibreOffice - in about 35 minutes. Never tried to build anything Chromium-based though. I use brave-bin package from an overlay. Anything else compiles in minutes as well. gcc is an exception but it updates semi-annually. KDE updates usually take about half an hour. Building time is not a problem on a modern PC.

@@finoderi good to know, thanks. I have a comparable pc (Ryzen 5500, 32GB.) What about storage consumption for sources and libs and things, and scratch space for builds? And also while building Firefox doesn't take too long, downloading it takes no time at all... Up to some time ago I worked on a 1 megaloc c++ application but on systems like Phenom 2 x6, i5-3570 that took more than an hour to build. I haven't built it on this PC yet. But looking at say Chromium codebase fills me with dread, it's the scope of an operating system and then some.

Exactly. I haven't reinstalled since I first installed it (although I probably should to clean things up).

He is using a tiling window manager, not a desktop environment. The window manager he is using is called bspwm. If you install it, it won't look like that, he customized it to his liking

this is by no means unique to arch and you're not even talking about arch you're talking about archinstall which is community-maintained; as a rule archinstall does not include any configuration/minimal configuration, while other distros that have a minimal installation candidate (debian, ubuntu server, void) will still install the same thing when you do a manual install of that respective wm from their package manager.

Tinkering no-lifers.

LFS “user” here It’s a toy, plain and simple. The “distro” VERY quickly becomes unusable if you are not incredibly Vigilant about maintenance. Like maintenance on arch or other rolling release distributions is one thing, but on LFS it’s hell. (That being said by the time you have LFS installed assuming you understood what you were doing, you can nearly always fix it c:)

Thanks! Left a link to your video in the description :)

@@EricMurphyxyz Oh, it didn't bother me. I thought it was cool.

I like Hyprland a lot, I'll probably do a video on it later. Only thing I don't like is my battery life dropped a lot after switching for some reason. Trying out all the cool new tools available was one of the best parts.

​@@EricMurphyxyz A new Hyprland update just dropped like an hour ago btw. According to the changelogs: "The biggest performance update in Hyprland's history! CPU idle reduced by half. GPU usage reduced around 2-4 times."

This dude de-recommends archinstall.

Stability, mostly. I have a full video on it here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kL-Pe6Vq0bWumJ8.html

You can use pacman -Ss to search through the repos. AUR helpers like paru or yay also have ways to search from the CLI. I almost never need to look up the specific name online anymore.

Don't do it. It's for no-life tinkerers. You'll need endless hours to figure out the 100 things you need to install to have a good and nice looking OS. And since you're not someone whose entire life is learning about Linux and Linux apps, you won't know what you should install. That's why you need a proper DISTRIBUTION, made by such _specialists,_ with a lot of that installed. So try something like EndeavorOS or ArcoLinux - based on Arch but with a lot of stuff added (Arco is much more "opinionated"). Or even better - use something other than Arch. 😂 Don't become an OS obsessed person. It's all about objective productivity (i.e. selling on the market, to others), that's what brings happiness. If your tinkering is driving you into the ground, you'll come to hate it and despise yourself for doing it.

​@@exnihilonihilfit6316i concede that there's a learning curve but the rest is nonsense, been using arch for years, it's the most comfortable once you understand it, one of the principles of arch is KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid), other distros make things complex just to accomodation new users, but then when those things break they are a mess to fix and you end up like windows, just following steps you don't understand to fix the mess

Haha. Hyprland is definitely bloated, I want to try out dwl eventually :)

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that's hyperland, not a de

a bit later but Hyperland, is one of the few wayland WM

@@Tumbleweed_R6 at least (if u installed urself) u gained some knowledge

i think that's a single terminal. its called eDex-UI

@@bhavyakukkar But is all the stuff around part of the terminal? I'll have a look into it, thanks

@@deedend yup

Not sure, but the footage is from this video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/i56BlsKV37e4emg.html

@@EricMurphyxyzthank you!

It's a terminal emulator (the window is just maximised), forgot the name of the app but knowing this might help finding it

Has to do with your GPU and the drivers more than anything

Idk what makes you tell that fedora is not for desktop users... Been using it for years actually, as my main distro (school, gaming, programming...) Could you elaborate?

@@augustinvangeebergen3098 In the past I used Fedora for a long time too, and I liked it; however, I'll let Red Hat elaborate. In the article "What's the difference between Fedora and Red Hat Enterprise Linux?", published in its website, the company states: «The Fedora project is the upstream, community distro of Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Red Hat is the project’s primary sponsor, but thousands of independent developers also contribute to the Fedora project. Each of these contributors, including Red Hat, bring their own new ideas to be tested and debated for inclusion by the larger community into Fedora Linux. This also makes Fedora an ideal place for Red Hat to put features through its own distinct set of tests and quality assurance processes, and those features eventually get incorporated into a version of Red Hat Enterprise Linux». This is all perfectly legitimate, but I don't want to use, in my personal laptop, a distro that, at least in part, is used to test software that will later be used by the project’s primary sponsor for its goals. I need a distro that is aimed at the concrete and specific end user, and from this point of view too, Arch Linux shines; however, as the Arch Linux FAQs state, «You may not want to use Arch, if [...] you are happy with your current OS». So, if you like Fedora, don't change it! Have a great day.

I'm interested to understand what you mean by " can do data analysis without the outdated Anaconda distribution". I'm an analyst using Arch but haven't explored this possibility yet.

@@simhz2221 In the past I used Python through Anaconda but 1) I got several issues and 2) I was forced to use less updated software than the Arch repos' packages. So, I got rid of Anaconda, I activated virtual environments and now I use software from the official Arch repos and, when needed, I use pip. No more issues and I can use the latest version of the software.

But does it really suck? I mean, the opposite could be said for debian if you need a newer version of a package than what debian has installed. Need a newer version for a package? too bad. Debian is stable.. aka old software. Maybe you can use the software when Debian upgrades in 2 years, but that's 2 years of waiting. The only distro that somewhat seems to be tackling this issue is NixOS, but I personally didn't like NixOS. I personally rather deal with flatpaks or dockers than use NixOS.

Debian Testing? Or Stable?

There isn't. It's for no-life tinkerers.

there is. in my case I started to use linux many years ago because I had only an old laptop and using it with windows was a terrible experience I started using it for necessity but I ended loving it and in part was because the comunity (and Rice), in the community you can find unique type of persons with the same hobbies as me since some years I use arch ans even when I don't code or something like that, I learned a lot thanks to the wiki