Why do people HATE Ultramarines?

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The Ultramarines are the front and centre poster boys of Warhammer 40k, so why do so many people hate them?
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@majorkill 2 жыл бұрын

Matt Ward was right, the answer is obviously that everyone is just so god damn jealous of them.... Crush me with your gauntlet of Ultramar daddy Calgar uwu To crush your own balls go here : www.patreon.com/majorkill

@ChillAssTurtle 2 жыл бұрын

Ball crushing uwu

@casbot71 2 жыл бұрын

Just paint your Eldar in blue and gold …

@nxny_2 2 жыл бұрын

majeurkiell

@plaugemarine 2 жыл бұрын

Calgar: The codex doesn't support the use of the Gauntlets of Ultramar in that fashion. Roboute Guilliman: It does now!

@Alex-pj8nz 2 жыл бұрын

Well world bearers fanbois hate the ultra Smurf’s due to ‘reason’.

@RogueFox2185 2 жыл бұрын

People hate the Ultramarines due to their Chaos God: Matt Ward, giving them such massive amounts of luck that it warps the reality of the universe to help them; basically they are the mirror to the Lamenters when it comes to luck.

@teal_m_101 2 жыл бұрын

They have Matrix-like batteries harvesting the luck of the Lamenters

@jackrook8715 2 жыл бұрын

I see you are a veteran of the long war.

@zeppelincraft1443 2 жыл бұрын

"I don't remember doing anything exceptional!?" "Basically the part where you ripped a Necron pylon off the ground and used it as a weapon."

@indrickboreale7381 2 жыл бұрын

Blue brings luck

@hanng1242 2 жыл бұрын

@@indrickboreale7381 Is this why the Blood Angels get the supercharged engines on their tanks, and the Imperial Fists get more hits with their bolters?

@carter342000 2 жыл бұрын

I think that’s why Captain Titus from Space Marine is so widely liked. He saw the Codex Astartes as more of a guideline, but these beliefs, along with his mysterious anti chaos powers, got him in trouble with some of his brothers and the inquisition. I’m hoping that Space Marine 2 follows this up, showing some tension in the Ultramarines where some cling rigidly to the Codex while others want to reinterpret (or even rewrite) it for the new era. Would make sense since the main enemy seems to be the Tyrannids, and they can include debates between the UM over how to integrate the lessons of Macragge into the codex. Too bad that it’s not Canon with the main lore though. Would love too see SM 2 integrate the series into the main timeline, like they did with the DOW games

@user-fp3in2kf3b 2 жыл бұрын

Well... he is a leitenant now

@muaddoubledips 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah especially since he's a primaris now, meaning Roboute is canonically alive in-game.

@captaintitusultramarine 2 жыл бұрын

@@user-fp3in2kf3b Shhhh, not everyone has to know i got demoted.

@carter342000 2 жыл бұрын

So @@captaintitusultramarine redemption arc, where Calgar dies to swarm lord and/or big bad chaos boi from game 1 in the 1st act, and the rest of the game is hunting them down to avenge them? At the end of the game, everyone expects I, Cato Sicarius, to be appointed by his peers, but before anything is announced Big G appoints Titus instead?

@brandonvallier4214 2 жыл бұрын

I enjoyed those games but never felt like I was playing as an Ultramarine. They weren't very strategic remove helmets etc. I want a 40k Ultramarine game in the style of Clone Commando with a focus on tactics and strategy.

@raptorxrise5386 2 жыл бұрын

About the codex astartes being predictable: I love how in the book farsight: crisis of faith the tau fight a chapter of space marines that follow the codex almost completely and farsight writes an entire goddamn book about it and how to beat space marines using these tactics (the mirrorcodex). After that the space marines start losing pretty hard. Its like a perfect show of the shortcomings that space marines can have and the reason why the tau arent actually that easy to wipe out

@fabiz8602 2 жыл бұрын

this also highlights a fact that's sometimes overlooked in reality. If you don't adapt you're going to have a bad time.

@RichardStrong86 2 жыл бұрын

Guilliman is already in the process of reforming the Imperium and updating the chapter structure of the Space Marines. He also seems very much open to new approaches. So relying on the uniformity of the Space Marines might not be a great approach for the Tau going forwards. Certainly so if Guilliman turns his attention to them specifically.

@ADB_UWIM_2807 2 жыл бұрын

Not from orbit they arent

@tumage8592 2 жыл бұрын

then the unforgiven come along

@Grabthar191 2 жыл бұрын

@@RichardStrong86 I really kind of like Bobby Blue being more of a pragmatist.

@AbadonXXX 2 жыл бұрын

“I like to point out that even though the mortifactors are...an ultramarine chapter...we have severed ties with them and will make it my duty to restore the lamenters.” -guilliman probably

@alfieingrouille1528 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe they could be secretly of deathguard geneseed rather than ultra marine

@Kradus 2 жыл бұрын

Emperors spears as well

@beardfistthegoldenone7273 2 жыл бұрын

They are 100% loyalist world eaters, morbid fascination with skulls..

@DarthAxolotl 2 жыл бұрын

@@beardfistthegoldenone7273 and drinking blood. Are we sure khorne and sanguinius didn't create them together.

@jimmysmith2249 2 жыл бұрын

@Angry JayByrd And every time they get knocked down, they stand back up. "I didn't hear no bell." - A Lamenter, probably.

@LoganSearles 2 жыл бұрын

They just don’t understand that the Ultramarines suffer from Ultra-depression. And it’s really cool that Guilliman goes out of of his way to make sure that his brothers first founding chapters aren’t destroyed.

@DesignsByVector 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah Wolf time was good for that

@doomguy9049 2 жыл бұрын

@@DesignsByVector also Devastation of Baal

@Alex-pj8nz 2 жыл бұрын

In Lore Guilliman is worried that his Legion is getting too much attention than his brother's legion who also deserves their spot light.

@BrandonL337 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, hard to hate them when they were the cavalry that saved the blood angels from being double teamed by nids and demons. And blue daddy immediately follows that up by making Dante the second most powerful dude in the imperium.

@dinosirbone 2 жыл бұрын

I once heard someone call guilliman rowboat girlyman

@SuperSwordoftruth 2 жыл бұрын

I think the ‘Romanisation’ of the models in later editions helped by making them a more distinctive and less bland chapter.

@jaywebb3607 2 жыл бұрын

The roman look actually makes me want to play them. I love the look.

@Nostroman_Praetor Жыл бұрын

It works for Night Lords since I can just paint them up and say my guys stolw them from x chapter.

@MikeSpicyWinner 2 жыл бұрын

My first army was Ultramarines because I was hella new to 40K and didn’t know they had other chapters (colors) lol. I found out they had different chapters but at that point I was too deep in, I had already painted ONE assault intercessor lol there was no going back.

@ReaLibro 2 жыл бұрын

They were my second army after Orks. But I feel the same. Spent too much time to give up on them.

@Alex-pj8nz 2 жыл бұрын

That's a pity, the blood angels are good.

@ReaLibro 2 жыл бұрын

@@Alex-pj8nz maybe to you, but I'm not laying out more money to GW for an army I don't and won't play.

@MikeSpicyWinner 2 жыл бұрын

@@Alex-pj8nz If I did another chapter I would probably do Blood Angels (Lamenters) because I love charging and melee combat. Carcharodons and Dark Angels are also appealing.

@MikeSpicyWinner 2 жыл бұрын

@@ReaLibro Yeah I feel that, I do love my Ultramarines though. I liked them even more after learning about how others like to give them flack. Just lean into it lol

@vudoga6082 2 жыл бұрын

I used to hate them as much as the next guy but Guilliman's resurrection and character development really made me like them more. One of the best lines I've read in a Black Library book was the Devastation of Baal. Guilliman was talking to Dante and he basically shows just how bro tier he is. He tells Dante to essentially lift up the common man because 'How can we possibly hope to tell our people to avoid the evils of the Warp when they are an already living in Hell.' Man that is it, Guilliman gets it, and he truly wants to make the Imperium better. Good shit.

@marceloasensiofilho3833 2 жыл бұрын

For me the problem with the Ultramarines is Overexposure. They are a bit too present and too nonsensically OP. They are a bit too present on the lore and are a bit too OP at many ocasions.

@alfieingrouille1528 2 жыл бұрын

The other chapters like the ravenguard salamanders ironhands and whitescars need to time to shine the dark angels blood angels and space wolves get lots of love already just give the other loyalist legions the same treatment

@ErikVonStrix3 2 жыл бұрын

It's this.... but then compounded EXPONENTIALLY during 5th edition when Matt Ward was running the show and gave them 99.8527% of the attention for both the mechanics and the new lore And it's a shame, cuz i did really like Marneus Calgar as a special character (especially his loadout; Powerfists with Bolters mounted to them just hit different) even back when I joined back in 4th edition (with the battle for Macragge set)

@silverblondguy3 2 жыл бұрын

A point so true, you had to say it twice.

@sond.lollipop8919 2 жыл бұрын

Yea but it completely makes sense because that they be the most show. Because there’s by far the most ultramarines than any other chapter and they’re literally the jack of all Trades of thr space marines. They go out of their way to NOT hyper focus on one aspect of war. While att ward definitely did damage especially with his line of thy are the best around an will always be.

@marceloasensiofilho3833 2 жыл бұрын

@@alfieingrouille1528 Exactly. Iron Hands and White Scars are probably the two most forgotten legions on both traitors and loyalists. I honestly can't remmember a character from any of those 2 legions by head. Even if we had some books/lore for a sucessor chapter of one of those 2 legions it would be great and would sate my wish to see those traits

@GrumbleGrimbus 2 жыл бұрын

I would argue it would be better if they leaned more into the Roman aspect, like maybe the Senate would be in constant conflict with Calgar, with Cato having the Senate’s backing or something, I think it would make for interesting conflict.

@bobthebuilder4345 2 жыл бұрын

I see that roman history reference wiht a person call "cato" having the senates backing.

@tfan2222 2 жыл бұрын

That but also more into the armor as well, Roman style helmets and armor stuff like that

@spookyghostwriter3110 2 жыл бұрын

Could work if Calgar kicks the bucket and the UM are divided between the Cato and the anyone but Cato factions (assuming the primarch is elsehwere)

@GrumbleGrimbus 2 жыл бұрын

@@tfan2222 It was always odd to me that Dorn got a lot of Roman stuff, like being named the Praetorian of Terra or his ship being called the Phalanx, when his whole deal was less Roman inspired than Guilliman.

@jarradbanigan6354 Жыл бұрын

Majorkill: build a bridge and get over it Dorn: I am the best bridge architect in the galaxy. I accept this challenge Major

@TheAnon03 2 жыл бұрын

I think the Ultramarines started to become the face of Space Marines back in 2e when they seemed to be the default chapter for most PC games.

@gerardmontgomery280 2 жыл бұрын

Codex Ultramarines probably didn't help either.

@fullgreys0n738 2 жыл бұрын

You forgot that we had a real Space Marine Codex in the 3e and not a Ultramarine Codex.

@hanng1242 2 жыл бұрын

I don't know. The 2nd edition Space Wolves were better in every way: +1WS for everybody, BS 5 for Long Fangs, more (and better) characters; sure the Blood Claws had BS 3, but if you were doing a lot of shooting with Blood Claws, you were Space Wolfing wrong anyway.

@vontheunknown7982 2 жыл бұрын

That all changed when we got dawn of War with the Blood raven's and finding out they are different chapters.

@7ElevenTruther 2 жыл бұрын

More like these blood ravens are so good at their signature craft that they managed to steal the Ultramarine's plot armor lol.

@MusMasi 2 жыл бұрын

@@7ElevenTruther blood ravens are a chapter based off of Australians, convict chapter and good at nicking things.

@the_kovic 2 жыл бұрын

As someone who's first exposure to Warhammer 40k was the Dawn of War 1 videogame, the default Space Marine will always be clad in red armor in my mind.

@TossMySalad69 2 жыл бұрын

It was my first exposure to 40k as well and easily the one of the best, if not the best, 40k game ever made (expansions included). Blood ravens are my top 3 space marine chapter as their colour scheme is dope.

@casualthurs3243 2 жыл бұрын

Same. It was Dark crusade for me.

@Headhunter1234256 2 жыл бұрын

Those somewhat loyal thieving magpie sons of the cyclops are the best space marines!

@unseencrowyomare4143 2 жыл бұрын

Dark crusade for me to... I did not play marines tough WAAAGH!

@TheArnold46 2 жыл бұрын

Same here. I will always love the Blood Ravens.

@hacksawer69 2 жыл бұрын

Ultramarines are pretty much the missionary position of space marines. I feel like thats why a lot of people dislike them

@adamm2091 2 жыл бұрын

Great for a first timer, boring and worn out for someone with experience

@gerardmontgomery280 2 жыл бұрын

To continue that analogy: Space Wolves = Doggie style Imperial Fists = Fisting Crimson Fists = Fisting (no lube) Iron Hands = Toys only Black Templars = That one goodie two shoes religious person who randomly turns into a total freak but also kinda scares you now.

@MusMasi 2 жыл бұрын

@@gerardmontgomery280 salamanders branding irons White scars, cutting and sex on bikes/in vehicles. Blood Angels Vampire cosplay weirdos. Raven Guard sneaky sex

@hacksawer69 2 жыл бұрын

@@MusMasi raven guard = surprise butt sex

@mortthepirate6318 2 жыл бұрын

Considering Space Marines are the missionary position of 40k, that's says a lot

@godforothchannel4272 2 жыл бұрын

I find it so sad that the Matt Ward Hatred went SO BAD that it is the reason why GW don’t credit specific author for the Army Books/ Codexes anymore….

@GothPaoki 2 жыл бұрын

The only sad here is the incompetence they showed with giving that clown so much creative freedom

@chromasus9983 2 жыл бұрын

@@GothPaoki It's alright to dislike someone's work. It isn't alright to harass them for that, regardless of grievances.

@GothPaoki 2 жыл бұрын

@@chromasus9983 i completely agree with that sentiment. Harrasment is bad. However hating that is mentioned in the first comment is ok.

@godforothchannel4272 2 жыл бұрын

@@chromasus9983 well said…

@snarkymcsnarkface1863 2 жыл бұрын

Well if GW hired editors with brains... they would have avoided the whole thing.

@alexr.5389 2 жыл бұрын

During the Horus Heresy, the Ultramarines painted their helmets red as a sign of shame, a mark that told others and commanders that they were not conforming. Aeonid Theil, Sergeant of the 135th Company. Marked for censure prior to the Defense of Calth for running theoretical scenarios on fighting Space Marines. Was later honored for heroics during the battle by having the Red Helmet of Censure he wore become the symbol of Sergeant rank. They had awesome characters, but eventually it seemed like there was only Guilliman.

@DesignsByVector 2 жыл бұрын

For me I liked them again when gullimen returned. And the Cato Sicraruis book where he's trapped on an medieval world was also another turning point.

@toepringles1388 2 жыл бұрын

What’s the book called

@ono1381 2 жыл бұрын

@@toepringles1388 knights of Macragge, literally just finished it

@imthegoat94 2 жыл бұрын

@@toepringles1388 wtf are toe pringles?

@smolwavingsnail9028 2 жыл бұрын

They hate them because its cool to hate them. Like people "hate" nickleback but hum it under their breath when it comes on the radio

@gerardmontgomery280 2 жыл бұрын

I've come full circle. I started with Ultramarines in 2nd edition, grew to hate them like everyone else and now have started to appreciate them again.

@theonebeing981 2 жыл бұрын

One of the big moments for me that made the Ultras sound cool, was the story about the dehumanizing effects of the Rubicon and the conflicts, moral and emotional, that it caused a previously firstborn squad of Ultramarines.

@onemisterfranko Жыл бұрын

I like Urial ventris and Titus from the games, Guliman is fun to read as he tries to save everything and I feel for him, I like the idea that by putting on the brave face the ultra marines are in fact hurting but can't show it or feel like they can't show it and guliman represents it well.

@McCool117 2 жыл бұрын

I think it would be cool to have box art with different major space marine chapters, instead of just the Ultramarines. That would diversify what beginner players see as well, making it more likely for beginners to start as something other than Ultramarines.

@konradtarasek5514 Ай бұрын

But diffrent colors hurt me eyes

@tylerdunlap1307 2 жыл бұрын

Honestly I was worried about the new stuff after reading “Dark Imperium”. But have started the Dawn of Fire novels, and realized that it was just a rare miss for Guy Haley.

@ViolentShrike 2 жыл бұрын

I just didn’t like how many named characters with minis the ultramarines had. Compared to other chapters who had one or two, and a lot of them were cool but I couldn’t use them in my chapter so I was just jealous lol. For reference I got into the hobby in 3rd edition and played raven guard, we didn’t even have shrike yet for a few years

@canadianbigmac3501 9 ай бұрын

Hate us cause they ain’t us

@AustinFoss00 2 жыл бұрын

Ultrmarines were the first army I collected before Sisters of Battle, Dark Krakens and Guardsmen. I actually love the Ultramarines and Guilliman's revival just made me love them more lol. I definitely get why people didn't like them, but idk, I was always drawn to them. Seeing them own their try hard status actually did make me like them more too. Tho, lately, I've been really into Dark Krakens

@calebcook5928 2 жыл бұрын

I am an ultramarines player and they’ve been my favorite chapter sense I started playing. (I read dark imperium before I bought my first model) and although it isn’t something that typically gets under my skin the hate for the boys in blue is starting to get old at least to me. Sad to say it’s starting to get to the point I don’t like talking or using the faction in game because of how many times I hear “of the fucking blueberry is playing” or something like that.

@rockstar450 2 жыл бұрын

The truth is they aren’t actually overexposed like Eldar. This is why people love to take jabs, it’s a rarity. I’ve never faced a UM personally

@sirbaconbuster 2 жыл бұрын

As a Tau player, I feel your pain.

@DARmanbuttermilk1136 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed man. I got into the hobby in March, and the amount of "rObOt GiRlYmAn hardy harr harr" gets old. Like haha yeah its a funny name, I thought his name was Robert Guilliman when I started. I thought "Roboute" was odd. But I genuinely like the chapter, Roman influences and blue and gold are sick. And if I hear "the smurfs?!" when I'm playing I dismiss the person since I wouldn't talk down on a project that they spent time building and painting and learning, especially if it's the first words out of their mouths to me. Jokes between buddies are fine, "Robot Girlyman" said the Blood Angels player. "Sanguinius". Right? But if some weirdo comes up while I'm just watching my models I made do stuff and they talk down on something I did, they can go pound sand. Yeah, i like the Ultramarines. Blue is a cool color.

@apolloknight9521 2 жыл бұрын

@@sirbaconbuster agreed.

@xaga8794 2 жыл бұрын

Well. Give it a few years. Then the smurf's will surely not longer be smurf's

@fellowsoliderofchrist2263 2 жыл бұрын

I’m starting a new Ultramarine meme that fits way more they’re Ultra-accountants. The idea is that with Guiliman wanting his sons to be effective governors and high end politicians that the ultra boys probably get stiff upon seeing a stack of paperwork.

@SpaceUndies 2 жыл бұрын

We love the Ultra-nerds

@pheonixshaman 2 жыл бұрын

I mean, who doesn't get a stiffy thinking about a complex problem (like logistics) and finding as simple as possible solution to it. Logistics and planning make the world work, baby

@user-fp3in2kf3b 2 жыл бұрын

In fact this set of skils realy make them most usefull space marines in great "Imperium" scale of things. As recent lore show us(after Great Rift open) its not enough to win in one battle - you need to achive victory in war and for this you need to be a great ruler(you need an army of effective governors so your army's would be massive and well suppley, so your citizens live +\- good lvl of life which protect planet from danger of uprising, etc) . Guiliman was able to save Imperium twice in most darkest situation, not because he could kick some nasty ass, but because he is a God lvl politic and ruler (empiere builder)

@MrUzzynator 2 жыл бұрын

That's what I love about them. They are tools of war, but are effective in fields outside of it, pursuing transferrable skills so that they have a purpose other than war. Thats badass. A lethal, analytical, highly strategic and organised fighter on the field and off of it.

@nielsmichiels1939 2 жыл бұрын

_"My emperor........did you actualy get the chance to fill out form 55b honourable battlebrother?"_ _"-Yes honourable battlebrother, soon we will ALL GET NEW STAMPS!"_ (Ultra cheering an joyfullness)

@Asura-fw6ei 2 жыл бұрын

My favorite theory is that the Orks believe the color blue is super lucky. So the Smurfs are just OP because of that. Also the fact Rob is actually balding from the stress of trying to put out the dumpster fire that is the modern Imperium. And the fact he has a few mortal friends makes him engaging.

@ricardohumildebrabo 2 жыл бұрын

Great video man, and the parallels you made with real life are on point!

@rileydavis559 2 жыл бұрын

Ay major kill i really enjoyed seeing you give options for videos you wanted to make using polls! Your shit keeps just getting better and better i love watching it. Keep up the good work man

@patrickbovard2054 2 жыл бұрын

I have to say nice things about the Ultrasmurfs because it was seeing a display of ultramarine minis at the mall that introduced me to 40k 14 years ago.

@charion1234 2 жыл бұрын

I used to but now as stated in the video it's changed a bit. Cato Sicarius actually has depth now, Marneus Calgar actually reflects on his actions. I did like a few ultramarines in other novels, just not the big named ones.

@rafaelcarrera9436 2 жыл бұрын

This video threw me for a loop. I am not on any 40k forums so I dont read much fan posts other than what I see on this channel or Baldermorts, so I had no idea so many disliked them. My favorite primarch being Guilliman, my favorite first founding chapter being the Ultras, and my favorite successor chapter being in their line too: Silver Templars. To me the majority of what I love about 40k is the lore around Guilliman and everyone in his lineage.

@TheProteanGeek 2 жыл бұрын

When I started I was asked what colour is my favourite. At the time it was Red. So then as I painted my first marine I was told all about the Blood Angels. They became my Space Marine chapter of choice quite quickly. I became more a Chaos player rather quickly though. Coming back to the game now I'm back with the boys in Red though.

@casbot71 2 жыл бұрын

Matt Ward has a great future in Australian politics…

@sond.lollipop8919 2 жыл бұрын

I got into 40k deeply between 2018-2019. At first with basic to little knowledge of all the chapters thr blue boys were by far my favorite. Now in 2022 and being deeply invest into the lore and read over 30 40k novels thr blue boys are still my favorite. Yea there’s a lot of bad writting but their still the ONLY chapter that’s senseable to actual warfare and logical with how the universe is I 40k

@drdiscostu 2 жыл бұрын

Get f-ed from a white scar fan. We'll decimate supply lines, take minimal casualties while you overplan some nonsense 😘

@theslayerssanctum5534 2 жыл бұрын

"Just build a bridge and get over it" Imperial Fist & Iron Warrior players: happy construction noises

@lol2693 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for shouting out the tyranid famine, i love my space bugs and yet never get anything cool coming out lore or figure wise.

@DaemonetteBait 2 жыл бұрын

Amazingly the first time I had a match against Ultramarines was someone who painted their Tau in Ultramarine style. He, of course, called them things such as "ultra suits" and "Ultra warriors". Though the wonder of "ultrafinders" is probably my favourite.

@gudboah4688 2 жыл бұрын

While they aren’t my favorite chapter, I do like the ultramarines. They’re basically space Romans, and Gulliman is an interesting character. The problem is how their aesthetics are basically bleeding into the modern space marine figures. Most primaris look fine, but some kind of look too Roman (primaris captain comes to mind). Thankfully GW have released more transfer kits that give other chapters some love.

@dashyboi6243 2 жыл бұрын

As I continue watching this channel there is only one issue I've run into.... finding videos I haven't already watched lol Your vids always make my day, definitely the best 40K channel out there. Keep up the great work man!

@forspartaaa2348 2 жыл бұрын

My friend is a tau player and he used to get depressed bcoz nobody played with him here and yeah he used to get bullied alot but nowadays he doesn't care and bought even more tau models to play with and i mean now there was a night lords player who told him to go f@@k off but he just slapped him and told him to play which he did i mean he even cried there and i was just thinking that people take this fictional world too seriously don't they to straight up Bully and everything

@codybuchanan6466 2 жыл бұрын

i used to hate guliiman and the ultras until he came back, especially after how he treated Dante, thats what really gave me some respect for him

@300SonsofOdin 2 жыл бұрын

I mean, I really liked the blue boys even in the early days. Since the primaris, I like them even more. Just finished a Bladeguard Veteran the other day.

@lafireteamplx3400 2 жыл бұрын

Cool 😎

@jfish953 2 жыл бұрын

Honestly would love to get started and have watched like all your videos but wouldn’t know what army to start with . Like I can’t decide a favourite Orks, Night lords , Black templars and raptors all seem cool

@GenericHeretic 2 жыл бұрын

I love the lore of the game and all the community discussions, and I want to get into the game so bad but it's quite an investment in time and money before you ever play. Do you think you could do a video on how each faction play on the tabletop?

@mistertaz94 2 жыл бұрын

As a Necrons player I understand your issue as an Eldar player during the age of Space Marine releases only

@Eliwood29 2 жыл бұрын

Do Chaos have a similar situation where 1 legion gets all the love? I feel like I hear a lot more about the Death guard than anyone else.

@johnquach8821 2 жыл бұрын

Black Legion for a long time.

@alexanderjohnson6178 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah don’t expect to ever get anything on the night lords Iron warriors Alpha legion thousand sons word bearers world eaters and emperors children pretty much everyone who isn’t a death guard or black legion marine

@licensed_beheader 2 жыл бұрын

Probably coz death guard are more active spreading the gifts of decay, while the rest excluding sons of horus are mostly just slobbering around the eye of terror killing each other and insulting the emperor and loyalists .

@NemFX 2 жыл бұрын

I'd make the argument that it was the Uriel Ventris saga that redeemed the Ultramarines. You had a story arc where he's wildly successful BECAUSE he flips off the codex. They jail him, and he's given advice by a veteran to get taken to a place on Macragge literally designed FOR executions. Metal. There, he's basically like "yeah, either you let me keep doing this, or use that power sword that's always been on your model but is never used." And Marneus exiles him and his second in command. They go have some adventures, come back to Macragge as heroes, and Guilliman himself is like "hey dude, you don't have to apologise to me for anything, you did more than Cato has, in less time"

@lachlanmacrae1779 2 жыл бұрын

When I was about to start warhammer and was choosing my chapter I wanted to be Ultramarines, not because they were on every box, but because my only previous experience with warhammer was my memories of being 7 and watching my dad play Space Marine and thinking that the big guy in blue armour he was playing as was cool. I eventually started looking into the lore of other chapters and enjoyed the Salamanders more, settling on them instead.

@MrUzzynator 2 жыл бұрын

I love Ultramarines. Organised, analytical and a highly strategic Roman faction. Brain/brawn at the cost of lack of specialisation. Plus their colour scheme is brillaint, and Cpt Titus from W40K Space Marine 👌🏽 That said, other chapters should be promoted, I only learnt of my favourite chapter Raven Guard due to the Kill Team cover.

@MasterFreaks1 2 жыл бұрын

For me it’s because every space marine kit has ONLY Ultramarines decals

@alfieingrouille1528 2 жыл бұрын

I hate that they dont have more transfers for other chapters

@repthe21st66 2 жыл бұрын

As an Ultramarines player I still 'Bruh' at that every time like goddamn GW. Make it easier for people to paint other chapters

@timunderbakke8756 2 жыл бұрын

Good history lesson for those of us who are newer. I just got in with 9th. I was aware enough that there were multiple chapters so I did my homework waiting for Indomitus to arrive and settled in on Black Templars because the eternal crusade. Never did I really consider ultramarines because they’re boring to me when they’re plastered everywhere

@kulrigalestout 2 жыл бұрын

When I first started 40K, I wanted to play Ultramarines because I loved the color scheme. Then I discovered two things; people held the smurfs in the same vitriolic contempt they held Smurf players in, and Space Wolves were literally vikings in space. The Wolves were a joy to paint and fun to read about, but I only lost two games with them over as many years. For context, I played three games almost every week. It got kinda depressing showing up to the club, knowing with certainty that I would table the enemy or induce rage quits. I think if I had stuck with the Ultramarines idea, I would have had a much more interesting W/L ratio due to having fewer options to carve through everything in melee.

@MiguelSanchezDelVillar 2 жыл бұрын

I painted my initial army as Ultramarines because i didnt knew how i wanted to play and i was told that they were a Jack of all trades, now i think that i would have painted them either Salamanders or Black Templars

@azmiraclegirl441 2 жыл бұрын

Leave them in green stuff for a month and repaint!

@axdntprn 2 жыл бұрын

I always found it a little weird that the other surviving primarchs didnt force guilliman to accept some revision like an astartes amendment/auxilia codex that would provide the flexibility and flavor of the individual legions to live on in the chapters. So you could be "codex ravenguard amendment compliant" or "codex spacewolves Russ amendment compliant"

@Watcher-in-the-Dark 2 жыл бұрын

Russ did kind of do a Amendment, for his own Legion/Chapter. As for the others, books aren't their Strongsuit honestly.

@Korija2029 2 жыл бұрын

Space wolves dont need any more words on their toilet paper.

@josephcaouette 2 жыл бұрын

As a new fan of 40k and an ultramarine player this pretty much sums it up. I got my first spacemarine getting started pack and painted them like they were on the box. Then when I went back and I was told that different colors of paint ment different things but blue ment space Romans, and I thought that was pretty cool so I bought the Roboute guillaman model and the first dark imperium book and well as a newer fan the ultramarines are pretty damn cool 😎

@arkslippyjunior7773 2 жыл бұрын

What I'm interested in is what those ultramarine rules were and how bad was it in comparison to something like the fists or raven guard

@xxchaos315xx6 2 жыл бұрын

I never hated the ultramarines but I was indifferent to them. They didn't really pique my interest. Then I read Know No Fear. Thats my favorite book from the heresy series. Made me look at them on a whole different way. I'm still a die hard blood angels guy but that was a really awesome book and painted the ultramarines in a whole different light for me.

@keithmoore7629 2 жыл бұрын

I agree The reason people hate ultramarines is pure over exposure by GW there are other chapters out there other than ultramarines

@OmenLamb 2 жыл бұрын

I love them.

@keithmoore7629 2 жыл бұрын

@@OmenLamb that’s fine mate, you do you, all I’m saying is I can see why people dislike the ultramarines, if you like them then you like them and it’s your prerogative to do so

@OmenLamb 2 жыл бұрын

@@keithmoore7629 Are you part of the people who dislike them or you just don't mind them?

@keithmoore7629 2 жыл бұрын

@@OmenLamb I don’t mind them but can see the reason people don’t like them

@Rytonic69 Жыл бұрын

Ultramarines: Lord Guilliman! We've followed your teaching in the Codex Astartes perfectly! Guilliman: ...Isn't that book like 10,000 years old?

@gwiber 2 жыл бұрын

Roboute MADE the book as a suggestion way to act, but there was a statement by him to take your own paths if it becomes necessary. All that was in a Horus Heresy story. Been a couple years since that was printed.

@niksterkai4303 2 жыл бұрын

Make Titus cannon, scrap Calgar, give Uriel Ventris more stuff to do, make Guilliman more hardcore, reap the money.

@joautrillaochoa5244 2 жыл бұрын

good news brother, Titus has become cannon.

@Hafer_ 2 жыл бұрын

Titus is already canon, has been for a while.

@darko-man8549 2 жыл бұрын

yes, have more UM getting sanctioned :'D

@Dariokan 2 жыл бұрын

Scrap Calgar? He's awesome. Read the Marvel comic book about him.

@chromasus9983 2 жыл бұрын

@@Dariokan He's also had big fists with guns on them before it became mainstream.

@awesomehpt8938 2 жыл бұрын

People don’t hate the ultramarines. They hate Matt ward

@michael3088 2 жыл бұрын

both

@ChaplainHaladriel 2 жыл бұрын

Betrayal at Calth....awesome novel and kinda resurrected them in my mind.

@lonestar6709 8 ай бұрын

Avatar of Khaine: _"Blood! For the blood god!"_ Marneus Calgar: *_Falcon Punch_* _"You were saying?"_ I'm an Ultra's main, and even I winced at how hysterically overpowered we had become!

@pilot5655 2 жыл бұрын

Red is a cooler color than blue thats why

@usonumabeach300 2 жыл бұрын

Lies!

@marmite_popsicle 2 жыл бұрын

How dare you! Blue team is far better >:(

@solvdrage1456 2 жыл бұрын

Gulliman's rage in Know No Fear was fucking amazing

@fumarc4501 2 жыл бұрын

I would enjoy a series where I can read about daily life on famous Imperial controlled worlds. Ultramar would be up there, along with Nocturne and Valhalla.

@samueltrusik3251 2 жыл бұрын

As a Tyranid fan, I want a major development for my space locusts.

@thedyingmeme6 2 жыл бұрын

What, you want them to eat more??? (/j, /lh)

@samueltrusik3251 2 жыл бұрын

@@thedyingmeme6 *chewing intensifies*

@gavinziozios1431 2 жыл бұрын

Well, this little exchange made me chuckle

@samueltrusik3251 2 жыл бұрын

@@gavinziozios1431 thank you Khorne boi.

@davegibiko8533 2 жыл бұрын

The legion has too much media exposure as a result other loyalist chapters(which has a lot more interesting going on) are overshadowed.

@arthurcorbier3870 2 жыл бұрын

well they are the poster boys, so this is sadly not going to change anytime soon

@absolsama 2 жыл бұрын

I dont hate dem i just think the thousand suns better

@bobthebuilder4345 2 жыл бұрын

*hoover noises*

@absolsama 2 жыл бұрын

@@bobthebuilder4345 what?

@Resync2112 2 жыл бұрын

Bring back the Crimson Fists as the 40k poster boys!

@finghammer5852 2 жыл бұрын

Uriel Ventris' lore is fucking great. I painted my Ultras in 4th company green.

@jokerswild469 2 жыл бұрын

Pretty new fan, I don’t hate ultra marines they’re cool I just wish they weren’t the only marines I see in official art and stories 🤷🏼‍♂️

@FIRSTNAMELASTNAME-zt4kf 2 жыл бұрын

HEY NOW YOUR GETTING IT! WELCOME TO THE CLUB!

@scottag3597 2 жыл бұрын

The reason I think the Ultramarines are actually really awesome is because of the youtuber Baldermort. His dedicated video to them is brilliant and made me think very highly of them.

@forspartaaa2348 2 жыл бұрын

Matt ward is the George vandire of the 40k fandom

@Rejic 2 жыл бұрын

"Build a bridge and get over it" I fucking spat my tea. I love your stuff, mate.

@StSpongeTube 2 жыл бұрын

"Those things are probably worth a lot now" "Yes, but only because GW over prices them initially."

@yusifverdiyev7730 Жыл бұрын

No matter what people say, Gulliman is the best primarch, and the ultramarines are my favorite.

@donquixote2072 Жыл бұрын

The Ultramarines aren't my favorite but I still feel like he's the best, if only because of his masterful statesmanship and diplomacy. It takes more than being a great warrior to run a galaxy spanning empire.

@mockcosine4479 10 ай бұрын

Honestly I was going to go for Blood Angles as my chapter because I like the vampire aesthetic from them. until I looked into the lore of Gulliman that's when I went full Untramarine.

@thomasmatarazzo198 2 жыл бұрын

I would assume they always paint Ultramarines is because blue is such a easy color to paint with. Goes on easy , smooth , and blends incredibly well

@Andrew-hq8gg Жыл бұрын

10:54 thanks for the good laugh man

@Moonwake534 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve always like Ultramarines. I painted them as my first minis a year ago and wanted to play them but I legit sort of got unofficially bullied out from playing them because of the community back lash toward them as a chapter. But if anything that gave me the chance to explore and not be complacent with what was on the box and how I found that there even WERE other chapters. I wanted to play raven guard for a while, the blood angels, until finally choosing dark angels

@brandonvallier4214 2 жыл бұрын

Ultramarine are actually my favorite in the horus heresy and in general due to their true use of strategy and tactics like a legit military force. Sadly whenever they are in games especially the Spacemarine game they have no strategy other then remove helmet and swing sword. I would love a squad based fps game where the gameplay is much more about tactics and proper use of Intel rather then blam blam. Like a 40k version of the old Clone Commando game.

@MorgorDre Жыл бұрын

Not an other Squad Game please…

@nogod21 2 жыл бұрын

Now you have to do a video on the Grey Knights or at least Kaldor Draigo

@joshualipski-oliver608 2 жыл бұрын

Have to say that the turning point for me with the Ultramarines was the heresy novel "Know no fear" completely changed my perspective and Aoenid Thiel remains one of my all time favourite space marines

@codysing1223 2 жыл бұрын

Ultramarines are somehow the "best" most well rounded and numerous of the legions. So there are many more Ultramarines per Astartes of any other legion. They are also the greatest, the best, and even got their dad back.

@MusMasi 2 жыл бұрын

*yawn*

@stevewarren9316 2 жыл бұрын

Go away Matt Ward

@thewizard7780 2 жыл бұрын

For me it's just the fact that it seems the ultramarines get all the focus. There's no other space marine chapter out there getting their share of the spotlight. There's hundreds of chapters out there that are far more interesting than just a bunch of guys in blue armor who keep rolling nat 20's because Matt Ward says so. I like the faction, I like their primarch, but I despise the way they're written.

@freddymcshreddy6586 2 жыл бұрын

Matt Ward: Calgar is the best chapter master and every other chapter wishes they had him. Me: I think that blood angels and space wolves are pretty happy with theirs. Calgar is a great chapter master by all means but Logan is just 110% pure badassery and Dante will always be THE Chapter Master in my eyes.

@Golmov_the_Wretched 2 жыл бұрын

I am old enough to remember the travesty that was the very first Ultramarine codex in 2nd edition, written by Matt Ward (who deserves his own special place in hell). It was this cidex that established 1) The Ultramarines are what other chapters aspire to be. 2) RG is everyone's spiritual leige... including the sons of other primarchs. 3) The Ultramarines have 500 worlds where every other chapter gets 1. 4) Over half of all space marines are descendants of the Ultramarines. 5) The Ultramarines were by far the most successful legion in the great crusade. 6) They had the best strategist in the game..... 7) .... as well as the best psyker. Basically Matt Ward blew his load and we never forgave him for it.

@CommanderBohn 2 жыл бұрын

I blame 5th ED. It's the true source of why people still hate Ultramarines. Older editions weren't so saturated with Ultrawank.

@GearShotgun 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly! People hate the ultramarines for being so perfect, but fail to recognize that it was the fanboy who wrote their fluff whose truly responsible for it.

@CommanderBohn 2 жыл бұрын

@@GearShotgun Yeah. In older edition while the whole GREATEST AMONG THEM ALL was present, it wasn't this much of an issue because despite the Ultrawank, they were actually cool (not to mention the Greco-Roman theme of theirs added to their coolness). Then came Matt Ward and ramped the Ultrawank to unbearable levels. The moment I read the 5th ED I thought my eyes would bleed tears of blood.

@GearShotgun 2 жыл бұрын

@@CommanderBohn The fact that literally HALF THE BOOK was about the ultramarines and the other chapters only got like a page or two each says all you need to know about the guy

@CommanderBohn 2 жыл бұрын

@@GearShotgun Don't forget saying that the other chapters were inferior one way or another also added fuel to the fire.

@RobouteGuilliman-M41 2 жыл бұрын

I couldn't care less about their exposure. I love the Ultramarines. I was never much exposed to them. In fact, my first Astartes exposure was to the Retributors. Once I dove into the lore (which I have done on a daily basis, for the last 3 years), I saw and explored many chapters, and all the legions. I just gravitated to the Ultramarines, and to Roboute Guilliman. Yes, I like others, but they're my perennial favorite.

@MusMasi 2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣ok rowboat i am sure you are not biased in anyway.

@antonioj700 2 жыл бұрын

@@MusMasi says the biased hater with to much time to complain.

@OmenLamb 2 жыл бұрын

You're not alone they are my favorites too.

@RobouteGuilliman-M41 2 жыл бұрын

@@OmenLamb another chapter I instantly fell in love with is the Lamenters. And the Thousand Sons. After learning the truth about Angron, he became on of my favorite Primarchs, though I'm not a World Eaters guy.

@OmenLamb 2 жыл бұрын

@@RobouteGuilliman-M41 I think it's cool to like individual characters from each chapter without really loving the chapter as a whole. I'm not a World Eaters guy as well but Khârn the Betrayer is one of my favorite marines. I bet you're excited as I am for Space Marine 2, there's a ton of characters I'm hoping are gonna show up, mentioned or easter egged in. The Black Templars are another chapter I've been gravitating towards lately and the Sisters of Battle who aren't Space Marines but I'm starting to fall in love with the faction.

@lorenzomacchiavello3701 2 жыл бұрын

And Don't forget when Matt basically insulted the Space Wolf, The Blood Angels and the Dark Angels.

@KhaosAdmiral 2 жыл бұрын

Or when he did the whole Grey Knights killed several Sisters of Battle to withstand this thing called the Bloodtide.

@Thumper894 2 жыл бұрын

Very good ideas and thoughts… Ultramarine love is what was pushing me to Black Templars, and yes, I know how ironic that is considering the content of this video. But seriously, what was your Auntie wearing when she gave you the minis? Inquiring minds want to know…

@actively_narcissistic 2 жыл бұрын

The reason everyone hates ultra marines is because roboute guilliman was resurrected and it wasn't their favourite primark that got brought back

@Halogodzilla12343 2 жыл бұрын

The ultramarines where hated long before Roboute came back.

@phillippeterson110 2 жыл бұрын

@@Halogodzilla12343 if anything people like them more because of guilliman.

@MusMasi 2 жыл бұрын

@@phillippeterson110 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@user-ui8nx8ul9d 2 жыл бұрын

I'd argue that Guilliman after his resurrection wasn't even hated and was loved more than the Ultramarines even if he wasn't the most favorite primarch of the community

@actively_narcissistic 2 жыл бұрын

@@Halogodzilla12343 it's a joke. You know the things you go haha at and then stop thinking about it? Yeah one of them

@synthomite405 2 жыл бұрын

I love how he's been using his videos to rant about the Australian government

@Davernn 2 жыл бұрын

I just got my first starter set that contained a trio of blueberries, and I painted 2 of em as some random black-and-gold primaris because I didn't like how the first ultra looked. The custom marines look so damn better

@jackperry4203 2 жыл бұрын

I love my Ultras! I love the Roman feel - the fact that they aren't "special" (space vampire, or space werewolf etc) and I do love seeing them on everything - HOWEVER.... i also understand the hate at seeing all the blue. I do wish GW would maybe use other chapters for box art on occasion. I also think it didnt hurt that the Ultras got some REALLY good horus heresy books - and even the dark imperium books - as far as modern fluff goes it helps explain them better than codex fluff.

@MrUzzynator 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed on the marketing. Only learnt of my fav chapter Raven Guard due to the Kill Team cover.

@MrUzzynator 2 жыл бұрын

The lack of a quirk or dark past makes them a no nonsense faction I agree, with each Marine a philosopher, administrator or politician