Why Do Pilots Fear Flying Into Clouds? I Tried It!

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Planes With Perry

Planes With Perry

11 ай бұрын

The VFR to IMC Pilot Killer!
Inadvertent flight from VFR (Visual Flight Rules) Into IMC (Instrument Meteorological Conditions) is the leading cause of weather related aviation accidents, with those accidents carrying an 86% fatality rate. Why does it kill so many pilots? Are we not training realistic enough? Are view limiting devices flown during fairweather days not enough of a workout to prepare a pilot for encountering real IMC?
Today I went on a flight into real IMC to build my skillset and help prepare for the "what if" event of inadvertent flight from VFR into IMC with my PA38-112 Piper Tomahawk.
Flying into clouds for the first time was a great experience, and I'm glad I did so. I recommend any PPL holder to book a flight with a qualified instructor and get some time in IMC to begin the mental preparation of what to expect, what it feels like, and build instrument time to improve your skills!
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@planeswithperry
@planeswithperry 5 ай бұрын
I have received a pile of comments about this video. As a new KZfaqr who is new at video editing I am always working at getting better. 1) many of you don't like the music. Note taken. 2) the video didn't explain enough. Note taken. Some of you have resorted to childish personal insults which I have been entertained by. It's crazy to think something free causes such emotional distress for some of you. That speaks more about you than it does me. Future videos will be better. Cheers
@digital_aviator
@digital_aviator 2 ай бұрын
Dude, I'm a Tomahawk pilot and professional filmmaker for over 33 years, having worked on 65,000 individual productions (yes you get that many working in news as a director), and also have major film studio credits. Your video editing, music and information are absolutely fine. You have a beautiful family to love and look after and you don't need to be spending zillions of hours searching for royalty free music. It is sad that these days people take to attacking others to feed their own ego's. Keep up the great work!!!
@whatta7793
@whatta7793 Ай бұрын
Video was perfectly fine, especially for someone who is clearly new to making videos. Watched the entire video myself. On topic, great landings o/
@GiantManaconda
@GiantManaconda 11 ай бұрын
That 85% fatality rate is very misleading without context. 85% fatality implies that if you fly into IMC from VFR, you will die 85/100 times when the reality is that it means *if you have an accident in that transition*, then in 85/100 accidents you will die. Really made me do a double take because it seemed highly unlikely that it meant what was written at 0:18 For reference I'm using the AOPA definiton of fatality from their Nall report
@planeswithperry
@planeswithperry 11 ай бұрын
I get your point. I see it now. I was thinking in my head how it's supposed to be when I did the video but I see the way it is easily interpreted. I will update the description text to explain that. Cheers!
@Rodhern
@Rodhern 11 ай бұрын
Ah, thank you for the clarification. I can see how the percentage can get up there when measured that way.
@alk672
@alk672 10 ай бұрын
@@Rodhernwell I mean in order for something to make it into the dataset - it has to be reported. 99% of pilots who flew into a cloud on accident and made it out don't report it. AOPA doesn't make things better with misleading statistics, or by referencing that ancient VFR into IMC simulator experiment where they flew an overloaded Bonanza with the max aft CG. I do think you can talk about the importance of not flying into a cloud without lying about it.
@owisagrom
@owisagrom 10 ай бұрын
To be fair, that's in the definition of "fatality rate": the percentage of people who get into an accident that die from it. What you're thinking of is better termed mortality rate.
@erictaylor5462
@erictaylor5462 11 ай бұрын
My dad, who was a very experienced pilot with a CFI and an IFR rating, with many hours in actual IMC was performing a VFR night flight in VMC. Just as he rolled wings level after a turn he flew into an unseen cloud and lost sight of the ground. With every fiber of his being he felt the plane was banking, yet thanks to his instrument training he saw that he was wings level. It took ever ounce of willpower he had to avoid "correcting" the bank he could feel in the seat of his pants. Soon enough he came out of the cloud and regained visual contact with the ground. The feeling he was in a bank vanished instantly but there was a moment of confusion because what he saw did not match what he felt. I think if basic instrument flying was given to pilots, just enough so they could use the attitude indicator to know their actual orientation rather than trusting the seat of their pants, it may reduce this sort of accident. At the very least, student pilots need to know not to listen to the seat of their pants as he is a lying ass.
@alk672
@alk672 10 ай бұрын
3 hours of instrument flight is mandatory for all private applicants in the US. Not nearly enough to be useful I have to assume, but it's better than nothing.
@kaasmeester5903
@kaasmeester5903 9 ай бұрын
@@alk672 Hopefully enough to understand and avoid the danger
@digital_aviator
@digital_aviator 2 ай бұрын
In Australia being under the hood is a required part of student pilot training. I remember at YBOK being made to fly completely under the hood from before engine start and was going to be until touchdown. The instructor handled taxi. Inbound another student pilot of ours who was out in the training area called inbound at the same location seconds after we reported inbound. Instructor had me take off the hood and search for him to avoid a mid-air. We joined downwind and a split second later S____y called joining downwind. I looked behind and right on our tail was his Tomahawk, I immediately called him and said "break, break, break." Thankfully he immediately began an orbit for spacing. Another time we were at YAMB, and we were using half of the cross runway as the F-111's were using 15/33, so we took off into wind and landed with a tail wind. S____y came in to land, locks up the left brake because his heels weren't on the floor, so he locks up the right brake in order to skid straight and blows out both the main tires/tyres. Took 10 of us from 11 Flight to physically carry the Tomahawk off the runway and off onto the grass until we replaced the tires/tyres. That knucklehead now flies 737's for Virigin Australia.
@Videolinquency
@Videolinquency 11 ай бұрын
Spot on. Before I had my instrument rating, I used Microsoft FS to hone my instrument skills, and that saved my life at least three times in the two years before I earned my rating. Knowing what you're doing is not a bad thing in aviation, even at the recreational level.
@planeswithperry
@planeswithperry 11 ай бұрын
I have hundreds of hours with MS flight sim from my younger years that I also feel has helped with instrument flying 👍
@priceyA320
@priceyA320 11 ай бұрын
You went inadvertent IMC three times in two years? You should probably buy a lotto ticket.
@Videolinquency
@Videolinquency 10 ай бұрын
If you fly a lot, statistics will be against you. Flying on the gauges is an easy skill to learn. Skipping that is never a very wise thing to do.@@priceyA320
@alk672
@alk672 10 ай бұрын
@@priceyA320my thought exactly :)
@259559ful
@259559ful 9 ай бұрын
Flying in MSFS i couldn’t maintain level flight very well and learning to fly in RL fixed that cause i learnt to use a reference on the canopy glass and look into the distance. MSFS helped IFR flying cause you werent really looking much outside until i got VR. It would be interesting to fly RL IMC and see if i could cope. With a good instructor of course.
@billsenior213
@billsenior213 10 ай бұрын
Having a good CFI that spends extra time under the hood is priceless. Being a VFR pilot in a VFR aircraft I ended up in 20 minutes of zero visibility. Kept my eyes on the instruments, kept giving position reports, kept checking altimeter and good GPS that kept us away from obstructions. Entered clouds at 5500….came out at 700 feet right over the runway….normal landing. Really good outcome after some really bad decisions on my part. Trust your instruments!!
@fredericia01
@fredericia01 11 ай бұрын
Great video - very informative 🙂
@pdutube
@pdutube 11 ай бұрын
Great video, I recognized the plane in the thumbnail as a Tomahawk immediately. I did my initial pilot training in them and I have a lot of fond memories, especially my first solo. Man, I was a skinny kid and when my instructor, a really big dude, got out, the performance was awesome! I prefer low wing airplanes but my favorite planes are the ones where you take off and land with the same number of wings.
@planeswithperry
@planeswithperry 11 ай бұрын
I'm very happy with this Tomahawk. It has a great ratio of balancing fun with statistically low operating costs
@stephenalexander6033
@stephenalexander6033 11 ай бұрын
As a VFR pilot, I assumed an IFR rating would be freeing and I would find cloud flying just like being “under the hood” in training. Maybe so for stratus clouds in a stable atmosphere, but in building cumulus clouds as an IFR pilot I have always found turbulence and often rain not shown on radar. In addition, it’s impossible to see ahead what you are flying into-will you break out or fly into a more violent cloud? In short, as an IFR pilot on an IFR flight plan, I still avoid flying through cumulus, and give a wide berth to towering cumulus clouds. It’s not just spacial disorientation that is a threat in cloudy weather.
@planeswithperry
@planeswithperry 11 ай бұрын
Great post. That flying day of mine was a great introduction to flying in cloud because of how stable it was. You're right..... building cumulus clouds with possibility of embedded cumulonimbus would be a risk to avoid
@alk672
@alk672 10 ай бұрын
Errrr... even airliners avoid that kind of weather, so yeah... What's sad is that in many parts of the country freezing levels or high terrain basically make instrument rating useless. Many experienced pilots simply don't fly single engine pistons in clouds, period, due to every single risk becoming potentially fatal.
@Dom-su5df
@Dom-su5df 11 ай бұрын
Awesome insight Perry!
@planeswithperry
@planeswithperry 11 ай бұрын
Thank you! 👊
@_planejoe_
@_planejoe_ 11 ай бұрын
I'm a big fan of low wing when I'm flying by myself, but I've found high wing is easier when carying passengers because they're always looking at the ground and it's easier for them to get into the plane. People get nervous stepping on wings to get into a plane lol
@planeswithperry
@planeswithperry 11 ай бұрын
I agree, I see passengers get even more nervous with low wings that only have 1 door (cherokees, Mooneys etc)
@yanshanhuo3122
@yanshanhuo3122 10 ай бұрын
I like low wing too. The bias was built in from the hours I built in fighter sims as a kid. That said, I do envy my hangar neighbor who can park their car into the hangar before pulling their plane out.
@RusscanFLY
@RusscanFLY 11 ай бұрын
I like both for different reasons. I love the high wing when I’m flying with newbies so that they can see the ground. Plus the two doors can a Cessna is awesome. But when I’m navigating myself, or there’s a nice stiff crosswind, I prefer a low wing. It just seems to get better visibility, especially on that base to final term. Also, for some reason, and maybe it’s just me, lol Wings seem to just handle Crosswinds and turbulence a little bit better than the high wings. Period so, depending on the conditions, I can go either way. Fly well!
@planeswithperry
@planeswithperry 11 ай бұрын
I agree. I fly out of airports that seem to have strong crosswinds most of the time and I really like how my Tomahawk handles them vs the C172 I rented before. The Tomahawk has 2 doors as well. You should get up in one if you get the opportunity. They are fun!
@RusscanFLY
@RusscanFLY 11 ай бұрын
@@planeswithperry Good to know. I've never seen one, but I'll definitely be on the lookout!
@digital_aviator
@digital_aviator 2 ай бұрын
Always low wing for me, safer in the circuit IMHO. I don't like doing square circuits. The Tomahawk you climb out at 70 KIAS, 500 fpm, 2 min turn and you're on downwind at exactly 1000' AGL. Again turning from base to final, 70 KIAS, 2 min turn and boom you're dead on centerline. I hated the Cessna 152 when I went up in it. Plus *most* aircraft anyone will fly after flight training will be low wing as they progress in their career. Now, having a GoPro mounted like you have on the tail is an awesome addition as it can allow you to check underneath the fuselage is clear in busy airspace as you can feed it to a phone or tablet, helping your situational awareness. As for IFR, I can't wait for the day synthetic vision systems become normal in every aircraft, we have the technology to be able to see terrain around us on digital displays, they should become normalized, especially for mountain flying.
@planeswithperry
@planeswithperry 18 күн бұрын
I'm looking forward to the development of technology where we might be able to get some certified options for these aircraft that won't cost a fortune. "One can hope" 🤣
@johanpretorius5633
@johanpretorius5633 10 ай бұрын
Hi, what does that gizmo look like that you have your cell phone in on the left? To what does it fix on the dash panel please?
@planeswithperry
@planeswithperry 10 ай бұрын
It's a RAM mount. The part that holds the phone is a RAM X-grip. You can mount it various ways. I have been experimenting with mounting it onto a blank plate where I don't have an instrument installed, and also mounting it to the left side of the windscreen using a RAM suction cup mount. It's a 50/50 opinion at the moment but I'm starting to lean towards mounting it with the suction mount instead.
@flyer617
@flyer617 11 ай бұрын
I flew many years before getting my instrument rating. Throughout those years I had drummed into me how it meant almost instant death to fly into clouds. Over and over and over again. So now with the instrument rating I still experience a little apprehension, yet, when I now go into clouds nothing really changes and all is fine.
@alk672
@alk672 10 ай бұрын
I think realistically it's not nearly as bad as they tell you. It is true though that the risk of going into the cloud without an instrument rating is still close to suicidal. What is also true is that a third of people who died after losing control in IMC were instrument rated. So there's a lot to be said about whether having an instrument rating makes it better or worse. What I would claim with confidence is that an unfinished or not current instrument rating is definitely the worst option - it gives you just enough confidence to fly into it and not enough skill to fly out.
@flyer617
@flyer617 10 ай бұрын
@@alk672 I did a lot of night flying, commuting between two locations, over mountains. Many nights were just completely black with a high overcast. No lights above and no lights below. Yes that is VMC but I was really flying by reference to the instruments. A couple of times there were unforecast clouds - I could tell by the reflections from the strobes. But that didn't change anything, really. I let ATC know (I always use flight following) and all they could tell me was what the nearby reporting stations were reporting and I should be fine soon. So I just continued on until I popped out. This was an unfinished instrument rating but I never intentionally went into clouds yet it can happen as it did with me. Just keep your cool.
@alk672
@alk672 10 ай бұрын
​@@flyer617my issue with this kind of flying wouldn't even be the fact that you're basically flying on instruments with no separation provided (gambling with your life), but mostly the thought of what happens if you lose your engine. You're over mountains, at night. Even if there were places to land - you can't see them. So you die. I'm not sure how anyone thinks it's worth it.
@flyer617
@flyer617 10 ай бұрын
@@alk672 Separation is low risk as I am on flight following talking to ATC and have ADSB backup. Also, the route is extremely low traffic. As to the engine, there are a couple things you can do (besides not running out of fuel!). One is to know the area and route and keep ForeFlight "earth view" running so you can see where the fields are in the valleys. Practice using a safety pilot, with practice this is pretty cool. Second is to fly at a high enough altitude, and on a path that keeps you within gliding distance of at least one airport at all times. I was taught - even before my instrument rating - to understand the approaches of the fields I fly over. The clouds I went through for a minute or two would not have prevented me from using my landing light when getting down near the landing field. All flying entails some risk, you mitigate what you can then decide. Nobody is forcing you to fly at night. I happen to love it.
@davidcollier3604
@davidcollier3604 11 ай бұрын
Maintaining Instrument Proficiency and Instrument Currency is key. I've known many pilots that get an instrument rating and then never really use it or stay current on instruments. It's a use it or loose it kind of a skill.
@planeswithperry
@planeswithperry 11 ай бұрын
It's like a lot of things in aviation. I find when I fly, I circle back to refresher tasks all the time.....even to the point of waiting for a windy day and cranking out 10 circuits for a "workout"
@neatstuff1988
@neatstuff1988 11 ай бұрын
I guess that depends on your experience level. I have a pro pilot retires and hasn't flown for ten years. I got news for you it comes back just like learning a bike.
@HoundDogMech
@HoundDogMech 11 ай бұрын
On my very first actual after the Instrument Check ride i rolled into a 2 degree right turn to avoid rain and enter a cloud while being instructed by a MSN Controller as I rolled out the Horizon kept rolling and rolling. It had tumbled. DG still alive got vectors to C29 waited for better conditions went back to KMWC VFR. Just after the Instrument check ride I was really proficient in needle ball and airspeed how proficient are u right now . Only a broken Alternator belt from death I'll bet.
@planeswithperry
@planeswithperry 11 ай бұрын
I'm a low time pilot working towards my instrument rating and commercial license. I don't pretend to be something I'm not 👍
@georgemichael9106
@georgemichael9106 11 ай бұрын
I learned to fly in a Beechcraft Skipper very similar to the Piper Tomahawk it has pretty nasty stall characteristics didn’t just mush down like a C 172 it snapped down pretty quick.
@planeswithperry
@planeswithperry 10 ай бұрын
My Tomahawk stalls a little more pronounced than the C172s and Cherokees I initially trained on but I would say it's still pretty docile and predictable.
@georgemichael9106
@georgemichael9106 10 ай бұрын
@@planeswithperry Yes that was my point about the Beech Skipper I learned to fly in,when you were practicing power on power off stall’s it would just snap in the blink of an eye.
@planeswithperry
@planeswithperry 10 ай бұрын
That's interesting. I have never seen a Skipper in person (only a few sales ads). I'll keep my eyes open for one and see if I can get some seat time 👍
@georgemichael9106
@georgemichael9106 10 ай бұрын
@@planeswithperry Hey let me know if you ever find one I haven’t seen one in decades the one I learned to fly in N3839G no longer registered with the FAA.
@pascalbruyere7108
@pascalbruyere7108 11 ай бұрын
Is it allowed to fly in clouds like that without flight plan and traffic control? How do you know where other airplanes doing the same are?
@planeswithperry
@planeswithperry 11 ай бұрын
We had a flight plan filed. The airports we took off from in the video do not have ATC at the airport. Good radio communication on your positioning as you fly is key. There were 2 other aircraft we encountered along our flight but we had approx 10 mile spacing between us and the next closest aircraft.
@emichael06
@emichael06 10 ай бұрын
every pilot should do this. PPL or instrument. Practice this all the time.
@jjchouinard2327
@jjchouinard2327 9 ай бұрын
Hugh!!! Get back to your G1000NXi twin turboprops. Hope to see you back in Winnipeg.
@houstonfirefox
@houstonfirefox 11 ай бұрын
I also prefer low-wing, especially since I own a Grumman Cheetah. I'm not a fan of refueling a Cessna high wing.
@planeswithperry
@planeswithperry 11 ай бұрын
Grummans are nice aircraft! I would love to have one on a move up to a 4 seater
@keithhoward9238
@keithhoward9238 11 ай бұрын
Sweet
@Maybe-So
@Maybe-So 11 ай бұрын
4:17 "We spent several minutes in cloud..." this portion of the video would have been useful. As it is, this is merely an anecdotal video, that doesn't describe the disorientation YOU as a VFR pilot might experience, and the calming voice of the IFR instructor.. This could easily have been a 20-30 minute video, and I'd have watched it at least twice (I'm a student pilot).
@planeswithperry
@planeswithperry 11 ай бұрын
I'm still navigating the whole "content creation" path and am very amateur at it....tweaking things with each video. So far KZfaq is a funny thing....while you want longer, I get a lot of messages saying "cut out this, cut out that" and retention graphs show people usually have a 10 second attention span ("TikTok generation"?). On this flight the cloud mass was so stable there wasn't a lot to get disoriented from. I'm going to be doing a lot more instrument flying in coming months and will cover off the points you want to see in further detail 👍
@hammadmaqsood7884
@hammadmaqsood7884 6 ай бұрын
Was on Microsoft Flight Simulator and accidentally entered some clouds. I tried focusing on instruments but kept looking out (at clouds) and feeling the controls. It was jarring. What ended up happening is my plane went into an unrecoverable spin and I crashed into the ground at insane speeds. Now this was just a game/sim. I can't imagine how difficult and scary it must be in real life.
@timothystockman7533
@timothystockman7533 10 ай бұрын
I never had a problem with IMC. Much of my IFR training was done in IMC, so it was no big deal the first time I did it on my own. To my way of thinking, flying IFR in VMC is harder, because you not only have to do all the normal IFR stuff, you also have to incorporate a see-and-avoid scan into your instrument scan.
@alk672
@alk672 9 ай бұрын
That’s assuming everything goes well. The moment you lose your engine or go partial panel for whatever reason - you wish you were in VMC.
@moonobservergilles5730
@moonobservergilles5730 10 ай бұрын
it can be very desorienting when in clouds. one must trust the instruments .
@thatguy8005
@thatguy8005 10 ай бұрын
Pilots are still not trained properly when they encounter an unexpected entry into Instrument conditions. Most I talk to say they will do a 180… that is a direct violation of the federal regulations and have no idea why.
@wie-o-wie
@wie-o-wie 11 ай бұрын
I am a highwing diehard. Cessna all the way...all the time.
@planeswithperry
@planeswithperry 11 ай бұрын
Cessnas are nice! Before my Tomahawk I mostly rented a C172
@phillipray6490
@phillipray6490 10 ай бұрын
I was more afraid of hetting my license lifted rather than being able to control the airplane in IMC.😣
@hardangervidda002
@hardangervidda002 10 ай бұрын
This is silly, I have been flying for 25k hrs, 38 years ago, when I used to do flight instruction, all my students flew instruments all the time, stalls steep turns, even landings, all maneuvers were done on instruments 90 % of the time. Their first solo XC was the first time they flew anywhere outside the training area, while looking outside. They are today Captains with all major airlines, even in Europe and the Middle East. One think I am sure of, they know how to fly instruments…😀
@rjust2297
@rjust2297 11 ай бұрын
I seen the blue stripe on the tip of the wing paint configuration before. There are a few aviator supply aircraft like that but they are top Wing aircraft I believe. Generally being safe and following the traffic patterns traffic on the I-5. VFR I think 💬🤔 GOD BLESS OUR VETERANS AND THE HOUSE WILL MAKE YOU PAY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS 😜
@planeswithperry
@planeswithperry 11 ай бұрын
This one has an identical twin somewhere in Canada but I'm not sure if it is still flying. I have some spare fairings painted and pinstriped the same as mine which makes me think I have the fairings from that other plane and it may have been parted out.
@rjust2297
@rjust2297 11 ай бұрын
@@planeswithperry yeah being parted out sucks 😞 However with clever engineering and ingenuity. Even after a plane has been parted out. If the airframe is still viable. You can pull anything out of a museum to make it fly. 3°Nose up for steady flights ✈️
@rjust2297
@rjust2297 11 ай бұрын
@@planeswithperry another interesting part is I was adopted in my father had to sell his air coupe to buy me. Barn storming was cool 😎
@darioinfini
@darioinfini 11 ай бұрын
I'd love to try that and see how it goes. I'm not a pilot but I fly a shit ton in flight sim using VR. Unfortunately I don't have a motion rig so I'm not constantly being instigated with false sensations but regardless I can manage a plane through IFR conditions no problem at all. HELICOPTERS. Now that's a different beast. Even without fighting off misleading sensations, helicopters are so inherently unstable I find myself ABSOLUTELY FIGHTING to keep stability in IFR. Balancing that equation of keeping horizontal, stable speed, safe descent rate, etc... man. I can do it but it's like beyond 100% concentration. Like full concentration is not quite enough. I can imagine with body sensations it probably takes you out of safe space. I tried replicating the Kobe Bryant incident conditions and yeah, I can see how it is that you lose your bearings EVEN IF you're paying attention to the instruments. Take your eyes off them for a second to check where you are, attend to the radio, look for traffic, talk to a passenger or whatever and you're upside down. Bad times.
@planeswithperry
@planeswithperry 11 ай бұрын
You're spot on! It's one of the reasons why I try and do most of my instrument training in the plane vs the stationary sim at the flight school. Until this flight, my instrument time has been while wearing a "hood", or wearing "foggles". Some people train with those in fairweather conditions and I feel like they are doing a disservice to themselves. I like to pick windy days, or summer afternoons with lots of turbulence for my instrument training. That way you get subjected to rough air that mimics weather systems in clouds a little better. I had a lot of flight sim time in my younger years but I didn't like continually upgrading my PC to keep up. I see footage of the new Microsoft Flight Sim and it's mind blowing!
@darioinfini
@darioinfini 11 ай бұрын
@@planeswithperry It is. I've thought about recording and posting some of it. I love manhandling a heli onto oil platforms or building landing pads in LA. It's almost bird like. Couple things I don't like -- Much of the resolution turns to minecraft close up. And for those that take simming as a substitute for the expense and rigor of actual flight, I don't like that auto rotations, vertical ring state, or engine red lining are poorly or not at all modeled. Most people don't seem to care but how do you know what it feels like to "fly real" if you don't know what the boundaries feel like? How do you know how to avoid VRS if you can't get into them no matter what you do? DCS on the other hand DOES model VRS, in the Blackhawk TOO well. You're dropping out of the sky and you hardly did anything to instigate it. Don't know if that thing is as droppy as DCS seems to think it is. Wouldn't think the military would be very pleased if they were that touchy in real life. Anyway, enjoyed your video. Nice to see your take on the matter.
@darioinfini
@darioinfini 11 ай бұрын
@@planeswithperry Oh one more thing -- Heli simming in VR felt so intuitive it really made me think I could pilot a real one if I had the chance. One day I actually took an intro flight in a Robinson. Flying 1000 feet in the air without the doors was a little unnerving -- the idea that literally dying by stepping out was not modeled in the sim LOL. The instructor pilot said I was equivalent to about 5-10 hours of training. I was pleased with that assessment LOL.
@user-zr6pl6nb6z
@user-zr6pl6nb6z 11 ай бұрын
What is a "shit" ton?
@darioinfini
@darioinfini 11 ай бұрын
@@user-zr6pl6nb6z An hour or two every day for the last year and a half. That's in VR, regular screen been flying flight sim on and off for decades. So in actual hardcore "in the seat" flying (less motion rig), between 500-1000 hrs. So I guess that translates to a 100:1 conversion rate of sim to real time equivalent. Pretty piss poor LOL.
@topofthegreen
@topofthegreen 11 ай бұрын
I have trouble understanding this, all you have to do is trust your instruments, and get out of it, or better yet just get an instrument rating, wich should be part of the private licence.
@erich930
@erich930 10 ай бұрын
An instrument rating is an ad-on to a private pilot certificate that requires lots of extra training and flight time. I suppose you could maybe combine them, but that sounds like pure torture! As for "just trust your instruments," that can be much easier said than done! One time on a GPS LPV approach, I caught a glimpse of the ground from my foggles and immediately for some reason my eyes recalibrated my balance system to tell me we were banked heavily to the right. It was a very sudden and powerful urge to bank the airplane, and it took good concentration to trust my AI. It only went away when I "broke out" of the clouds and took my foggles off. I can only imagine what that would feel like in actual IMC...
@colinfitzgerald4332
@colinfitzgerald4332 10 ай бұрын
The aircraft being flown also must be IFR certified in regards to the instrumentation and navigation avionics. That is an additional expense for aircraft maintenance. My Cessna’s instruments work and are accurate but they still must be certified for IFR flight. During my biennial flight review, most of my flight is simulated IFR.
@mmayes9466
@mmayes9466 10 ай бұрын
I told my boss I was afraid to fly in clouds but that got me nowhere 😂
@planeswithperry
@planeswithperry 10 ай бұрын
Haha I bet that would be a tough demand to make if you're doing it for a living!
@trickedouttech321
@trickedouttech321 11 ай бұрын
I do not understand why they fear it either, You have everything you need in the cockpit to keep the plane straight and level to even turn the plane and lose Alt or gain it. I understand how the ears work and how it can trick you but I can not understand how it can trick you when you have gauges that let you know if what you feel is a trick or not. That I don't understand, All you have to do in the clouds is keep your eyes inside the plane and track your gauges oh and practise on a nice clear day as well. It is that simple if you ask me, If you think you are lvl but the gaughes tell you that you are banking 15° to the left and descending then level out and in every way. In fact, if you are on the gauges from the start of losing the horizon then you should never get out of wack in the first place.
@LongEZpilot
@LongEZpilot 11 ай бұрын
Speaking as someone who has spent hundreds of hours hand-flying in IMC, the vestibular illusions can be very strong and very convincing. As humans we rely on our inner ear to keep our spatial orientation while on the ground, where we spend the vast majority of our time and where gravity is the only force acting on us. In flight, various other forces come into play, and our inner ear is simply not equipped to create a mental picture of our orientation in space unless those inputs are augmented by visual cues. If we cannot see outside, our brain cannot correct our inner ear and only proper training and discipline can overcome our natural, human, very powerful urge to put the aircraft where it “feels right.” This is what kills VFR pilots who fly into IMC without training.
@raymondlancaster3355
@raymondlancaster3355 11 ай бұрын
You obviously have never flown an airplane.
@goneflying140
@goneflying140 10 ай бұрын
I prefer low wing aircraft.
@backdraftdragon3150
@backdraftdragon3150 5 ай бұрын
What's with the music? The video didn't explain anything.
@planeswithperry
@planeswithperry 5 ай бұрын
Note taken. Sorry this free video hurt your feelings today
@zacharypiech2930
@zacharypiech2930 11 ай бұрын
Get instrument rated and file IFR for virtually all your flights.
@EmpReb
@EmpReb 11 ай бұрын
Most instructors I know still don’t file or have a pop up IFR for when need to doing the IFR rating.
@planeswithperry
@planeswithperry 11 ай бұрын
That's the plan as I plug away on the hours needed for the rating
@RaceMentally
@RaceMentally 10 ай бұрын
You have to literally switch your Brain to IFR mode. All VFR thoughts need to be out window.
@walterrook3196
@walterrook3196 6 ай бұрын
a Traumahawk!
@planeswithperry
@planeswithperry 6 ай бұрын
Awesome hawk! No trauma here
@deanmountford
@deanmountford 2 ай бұрын
Only people who are basic pilots rather than real aviators call it a Traumahawk, and likely never flew one.
@neatstuff1988
@neatstuff1988 11 ай бұрын
Do not enter a cloud that you do not have clearance for and there's a good reason. Other heavy metallies in there too. As a airline pilot, I don't think twice about entering a cloud. Please don't enter a cloud without a clearance. You will die if you run into a seven sixty seven, and maybe three hundred other people. Explain that one to god.
@chrishome2986
@chrishome2986 10 ай бұрын
You don't need clearance, or an IFR flight plan, to fly into IMC in class G airspace. You just need to be instrument rated.
@alangluff5535
@alangluff5535 9 ай бұрын
Great video but with terribly annoying background noise(Music)
@planeswithperry
@planeswithperry 9 ай бұрын
All music or was it certain parts? I'm trying to make my next videos better.
@dtsh4451
@dtsh4451 7 ай бұрын
@@planeswithperryplease turn off the music completely: the cockpit real time conversation is more relevant and interesting 😀
@planeswithperry
@planeswithperry 7 ай бұрын
I can't simply "turn off" the music. The video would have to be deleted, modified, re-rendered and re-uploaded to KZfaq which I will not be doing, but I took feedback from you and many others for consideration on future videos. Cheers.
@jimholloman4457
@jimholloman4457 10 ай бұрын
The video would be much better without the loud, distracting music that competes with the dialog.
@planeswithperry
@planeswithperry 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the feedback Jim. That has come up often. Thanks for wording it nicely. I'm new to video editing but will watch for that on future vids. Cheers!
@pascalbruyere7108
@pascalbruyere7108 11 ай бұрын
Feedback on the first few seconds of video: agressive and loud background music is annoying.
@planeswithperry
@planeswithperry 11 ай бұрын
I have learned I can't please everyone. 100 people can watch a video and 100 people will have differing opinions. I'll check the music on the next one. Have a great day
@DennisMathias
@DennisMathias 3 күн бұрын
Could be better without the music. You know that. But there is nothing instructional here. Flying through clouds. Not very IMCish. But VFRish. Good video quality though.
@tobberfutooagain2628
@tobberfutooagain2628 6 ай бұрын
Because they don’t. Stop the bull💩…
@christopherbrown1730
@christopherbrown1730 2 ай бұрын
The music is awful for this.
@planeswithperry
@planeswithperry 2 ай бұрын
Yep, that's already been established. It was one of my early videos. Cheers
@RR-pw5nb
@RR-pw5nb 9 ай бұрын
The cheesy, over-dramatic music ruined the first part.
@planeswithperry
@planeswithperry 9 ай бұрын
Mission accomplished! I'm not happy until you're not happy!
@mofayer
@mofayer 11 ай бұрын
What a pointless video. I was hoping for at least a comment on how it was to intentionally go into imc for the first time.
@planeswithperry
@planeswithperry 11 ай бұрын
In the intro I explain how I was going to intentionally do it. When I actually fly into it for the first time there's a clear discussion that you know it's intentional. In my written description I explain it's also intentional. I'm sorry this free video disappointed you. Cheers
@mofayer
@mofayer 11 ай бұрын
@@planeswithperry that's not what I meant at all
@clarkstonguy1065
@clarkstonguy1065 11 ай бұрын
@@mofayer I always wanted to see what it was like to fly into a cloud when I first got my PPL so I got an instructor to let me fly through a few clouds with him serving as PIC on an IFR flightplan. It was a complete non-event the times I was expecting it, a little bit of a drop as soon as the plane broke into the cloud followed by a short time on instruments. The climb out on the return flight after lunch was much more entertaining, what was just a thin hazy overcast layer when we arrived was much thicker when we left. I had no problem at all keeping the plane level as we climbed through it for about 500 feet or so. But although I was maintaining heading with no problem, I had an irrational disquieting feeling that I might be drifting towards a parallel runway.
@Aero2992
@Aero2992 10 ай бұрын
What a pointless comment....
@billhart8729
@billhart8729 10 ай бұрын
Useless video, because it leaves out most of the experience of and reaction to flying in the clouds. In 8:40 length there is less than 2 minutes in the clouds. Also, the music does not add anything. I prefer videos that give me as much of the pilot's experience and environment as possible. And like too many other videos, you cut from the cockpit at the landing and show the wheels touching. Seeing the wheels touch is NOT part of the pilot experience.
@planeswithperry
@planeswithperry 10 ай бұрын
I'm new at making videos and learning off each one. Thanks for your feedback ("useless" - got it). The next vids will be better. Cheers
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