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Why Do You Lutherans Baptize Infants?

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Rev. Rick Cody

Rev. Rick Cody

5 жыл бұрын

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@SamSups
@SamSups Ай бұрын
No one Christian has ever truly believed since they all continue to sin even after making a decision for Jesus. Does that mean they lied when they claimed to have accepted Jesus? Because all borne of God do not sin. I agree with the pastor here, our baptism is a one sided act of God so that my sealing remains intact in my life in the church where it is safe.
@healhands5760
@healhands5760 11 ай бұрын
Remeber when the children wanted to come to Jesus but their parents stopped them? What did Jesus said? "Let the children come to me"
@mulkster39
@mulkster39 Жыл бұрын
Beautifully said Pastor! Thank you for taking time to explain for those still living under semi-pelagianism theology.
@thewordrules
@thewordrules 23 күн бұрын
As a former evangelical and now a Lutheran, I equate baptism with two common things we do all the time. We give infants our last name making them a part of our family without their understanding or permission. We do the same with medicine; when they are sick we squirt medicine into their mouths even though they have no idea what is being done to them. The latter comparison shows that the medicine doesn't work because someone believes it will help; it works simply because it does what it is supposed to do
@revcody
@revcody 23 күн бұрын
Beautifully said!
@stevenanderson9380
@stevenanderson9380 Жыл бұрын
Matthew 19:14 NIV the Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.” We bring infants in to Christ's family. Teach them as they grow and learn to understand. Then they "confirm" these beliefs as young adults. I believe this is the proper way to raise a Christian (LCMS) child and lead them to Christ. As parents, it is our responsibility to lead our children to Christ. As they mature, they will learn to repent. Acts 2:38 says, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”
@briant2979
@briant2979 2 жыл бұрын
The adoption analogy was key for me to understand this issue, thank you
@emilytyndall6950
@emilytyndall6950 Жыл бұрын
The adoption concept is being taken out context. Have you personally read the scriptures, in context, which are being referenced?
@bigtobacco1098
@bigtobacco1098 Ай бұрын
​@@emilytyndall6950offer something meaningful
@joanbonnet8229
@joanbonnet8229 10 ай бұрын
Very well said. Thank you.
@philipjohnson1546
@philipjohnson1546 Жыл бұрын
Very solid, much appreciated pastor. And John chapter 1 says Jesus Christ is the light that lights every man that comes into the world. I love the contract/covenant understanding. Also the old covenant of circumcision was commanded for infants. The fact that the New testament is not explicit on this speaks volumes for infant baptism.
@revcody
@revcody Жыл бұрын
@philipjohnson1546 thanks for the comment! The Bible is silent on the issue of age for a reason….because baptism is not about the age or the faith of the recipient, but baptism is exclusively about the “promise and command” of Jesus to “do it!” We offer baptism at all ages because the “promise” is for “you and your children.” Evangelicals use age to make it a work of man and rob Christ of the “promises” given in Holy Baptism, because they don’t believe there are any spiritual benefits that come with baptism. It means nothing to them so they/Baptist/Evangelicals withhold Baptism till later. (Rev. Rick Cody)
@mrhartley85
@mrhartley85 4 жыл бұрын
This was solid! I’m considering Lutheranism as a former Reformed baptist. I like your explanation because the emphasis on this aspect of baptism is covenantal. How much would you agree with reformed paedobaptist arguments? And how much of their arguments can we use?
@revcody
@revcody 4 жыл бұрын
Jordan! Good morning! I believe the reformed paedobaptist argument is one that simply encourages infant Baptism because it's essentially "the thing to do" and if you Baptize the children/infants then it will hopefully instill faith which will be developed later in life. If that is the intended idea I wouldn't use their argumentation at all. I would rather default to a Scriptural argument for infant Baptism. First of all, when Jesus gave the command in Matt. 28, to go out and teach and Baptize "all nations" this included infants and children. Since Baptism is God's work and not ours, it means that God's gift is for everyone. If you have ever studied early church history and the way Baptism was done, the Apostles would go into households and would Baptize everyone in the house. If the head of the household was Baptized, then everyone who lived in that house or worked for that particular man would follow suit. Therefore, all men, women, children, servants, and family members would all be Baptized. They wouldn't walk into someone's house and say, "Okay, you and you can be Baptized, but you and you can't because you're not old enough to make a personal confession of faith." Everyone was Baptized because the gift is for everyone. Acts 2:38-39, says the "gift is for you and your...children." Also, children (little boys) were made part of God's covenant family on the 8th day of their life when they were circumcised. So, if God "commanded...it was Jewish Law" that children were to become part of His covenant family at 8 days, why would it be any different in the New Testament? Just as circumcision was not man's work, neither is Baptism. Again, per the video above, Baptism is God's unilateral work. He's doing the action...we are passively participating. Secondly, we don't determine faith in this life, faith is a gift given to us (Rom. 12:3). God does the choosing and of this choosing it was done before the creation of the world (Eph. 1:3-14). God chose us to be His children before the creation of the world so that we would not be able to claim any part of "choosing salvation." Salvation was accomplished outside of ourselves so that couldn't not claim any part of it...that's why it was done before we were ever created. This is what St. Paul meant in Galatians 2:21, when he says, "If righteousness (Salvation) could be gain through the Law (works/decision, etc) then Christ died for nothing (or no purpose (NIV))." If making a decision to follow Christ was the path to salvation, then Christ would not have had to come down to earth and die. Thirdly, as far as infants having faith, they can! If we, from the previous context, understand that faith is God's gift to us, then we can clearly understand that God can give that gift to us from the very beginning of our conception. In 2 Tim. 3:14-17, Paul uses a Greek word called (Brephos, which means from an embryonic state) when he says, "and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures..." What he is saying there is that from an embryo you and I have the ability to know and understand the Scriptures. The same word (brephos) is used when Mary visited Elizabeth in her "6th month" of pregnancy and when she arrived and Mary spoke to her, John the Baptist (the Brephos) "leaped" in her womb at the sound of or presence of the Gospel. So, John, the brephos, exhibited "faith" at the sound/presence of Christ. So faith existed before he was born. So if this is in fact that case, who can say what infants can or cannot believe. Finally, it's not the decision which leads to Baptism that saves, it's what Baptism connects you to that saves you. When a child/infant or adult is Baptized, they are connected to the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ (Rom. 6; 1 Peter 3:21) and this is what saves. "It's not the removal of dirt from the body, etc., it saves you through the death and resurrection of Christ. When a person/child/infant is Baptized they are connected to Christ' death and resurrection and because He lives that means that we, too, shall live. All the benefits of Christ's vicarious death and resurrection are credited to our account and therefore we become heirs of eternal life, because we are God's adopted children (Gal 4:4-7). In our Baptism we were given the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38-39) which has become for us a "guarantee" of our salvation (Eph. 1:13-14). (Yes, we can lose salvation, it's not a "once saved always saved deal," but that's a discussion for another day.) But when we continue in the receiving of God's Word and regularly participate in His Sacraments then we are "guaranteed" salvation. I hope this has been helpful. It's wordy, but this is never an easy/brief discussion when it comes to infant baptism. Thanks for your question!
@run4cmt
@run4cmt Жыл бұрын
Pastor Joshua Sullivan wrote a really great book called Questions on Baptism.
@bigtobacco1098
@bigtobacco1098 7 ай бұрын
OIKOS covenant
@binusamuel8935
@binusamuel8935 3 жыл бұрын
Short and sweet talk on the topic of baptism.
@dakotasmith1344
@dakotasmith1344 Ай бұрын
Infant baptism is an act of obedience done by the parent on behalf of the infant. The idea would be that the parent would raise the child up in church and instruct them fully in the faith. This derives from more of a groupish mindset, as present in those early eastern societies. Confirmation is actually something else done later (13 or older) which would allow for a person baptized as an infant to make their own statement of faith. That being said, I do see the potential experiential advantage of a person remembering and asking for their own baptism. But I believe both forms of baptism are legitimate, and both forms of baptism were present in the early church. Something though to consider that’s a practical point in favor of infant baptism. The unbaptized cannot (or should not be allowed to) take communion. We may only be made worthy of the body and blood of Christ by participating in His death and resurrection through baptism (Paul says communion must not be taken in an unworthy manner). So someone baptized as a kid could take communion while an unbaptized kid would have to wait.
@tandetumbo270
@tandetumbo270 4 жыл бұрын
Thankyou for your clarification of Baptism
@kevinschultz2243
@kevinschultz2243 2 ай бұрын
Mark 16:16
@carrikartes1403
@carrikartes1403 Жыл бұрын
I was baptized as an infant and have been a strong believer since a very young child. I am assured of my salvation. Lately I have been wondering if I should do an adult baptism? I have been reluctant because I am already dedicated to my Lord and Savior. My confirmation is my public announcement of my dedication and belief. Thank you for sharing. God bless
@revcody
@revcody Жыл бұрын
@carrikartes1403 I would strongly advise not to be "re-baptized" as it is completly unnecessary as your first baptism was sufficient. If you were baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and with the Word of God and having used water, your baptism is valid and good. Remember, Holy Baptism is God's work, not ours, so if He adopted you, marked you, and wrote your name in the Lamb's book of life, you are His and He is yours! Don't listen to others who say you must be baptized as an adult because you couldn't "believe" as a child, as that is complete foolishness. I appreciate you from dropping into my channel and hope you were enriched by the video! The Lord be wtih you!
@carrikartes1403
@carrikartes1403 Жыл бұрын
@@revcody I was happy to find your video. It gave me good direction with my question. I don't believe it would be wrong to do an adult baptism but rather superfluous. I think if I did it now it would be an appeal to vanity and religiosity piety. I just want to please God and was thinking about Jesus' baptism. He certainly did not "need" to be baptized but rather the purpose a formal declaration of His ministry. Lutheran confirmation is my formal declaration. I do like the adoption analogy you used. Thank you. It helped clear up my prayer question.
@onwave
@onwave Жыл бұрын
You were accepted in the church on the basis of your Baptism, so you ought to accept that basis as valid. People accepted you as a Christian, not a potential Christian. And, they accepted you as a Christian, not because of your parents, but because you were baptized. So, respect your Baptism and acknowledge it and the gifts that were given there.
@br.m
@br.m 2 ай бұрын
Being re-baptized would be a mistake. That should be a sign of unbelief, lack of faith... Would you be giving in to pressure? Because of what humans tell you. With their philosophy and deceit. I was baptized as an infant and would never even consider being re-baptized. I would also take great offence at people who say infant baptism is not sufficient. Anyone speaking against infant baptism, they are blaspheming the Spirit. The unforgivable sin.
@carrikartes1403
@carrikartes1403 2 ай бұрын
@@br.m I came to the conclusion also. I prayed about and felt that God said it would not be a sin but that I would be doing it for vanity. It would not be done to please Him. So I no longer consider it. I only want to please Him. Not look good in others eyes. God bless thank you for your comment.
@run4cmt
@run4cmt Жыл бұрын
It is like planting a seed of faith. I would want my child to grow up with the Holy Spirit within them. God brings us into his family through baptism. Jewish boys were circumcised at 8 days old. I believe that is a foreshadowing of Baptism.
@mushtaqmasieh4162
@mushtaqmasieh4162 Ай бұрын
Please give some more verses as a prof that Infant Baptism is necessary.
@bigtobacco1098
@bigtobacco1098 Ай бұрын
OIKOS covenant baptism is the standard
@douglasbozard3630
@douglasbozard3630 3 жыл бұрын
Well said !!!
@josephgabriel4261
@josephgabriel4261 3 жыл бұрын
Ur statement and theology is acceptable bro ur right in placing thanks
@AndrewHenderson23
@AndrewHenderson23 Жыл бұрын
Oh wow! I love in Wichita Falls and this randomly popped up in my feed! Super cool! God bless brother!
@himynameisjohnwumsh7631
@himynameisjohnwumsh7631 Ай бұрын
Mark 1:8 (quoting John the Baptist) I indeed baptized you with water, but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit. Acts 1:5 Jesus talking ; 5 for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” Matthew 3: 11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
@bigtobacco1098
@bigtobacco1098 Ай бұрын
How did the early church get this wrong so quickly
@himynameisjohnwumsh7631
@himynameisjohnwumsh7631 Ай бұрын
@@bigtobacco1098 you are asking the wrong person. I don’t know much about the early church.
@bigtobacco1098
@bigtobacco1098 Ай бұрын
@@himynameisjohnwumsh7631 Jesus started his church...
@himynameisjohnwumsh7631
@himynameisjohnwumsh7631 Ай бұрын
@@bigtobacco1098 Jesus is the chief cornerstone…
@bigtobacco1098
@bigtobacco1098 Ай бұрын
@himynameisjohnwumsh7631 yes... and??
@mysticmouse7261
@mysticmouse7261 7 ай бұрын
The Law is a bilateral covenant.
@revcody
@revcody 7 ай бұрын
@mysticmouse the Law is not a covenant…it’s the Law!
@mysticmouse7261
@mysticmouse7261 7 ай бұрын
@@revcody huh? It's called the old covenant as opposed to the new one which is the Gospel.
@revcody
@revcody 7 ай бұрын
@mysticmouse7261 the old covenant is circumcision…the new covenant is Baptism!!
@mysticmouse7261
@mysticmouse7261 7 ай бұрын
@@revcody the Jewish covenant is bilateral
@justsewit_tk5477
@justsewit_tk5477 Жыл бұрын
"You Lutherans??" I have to laugh! I was 12 when I was baptised in the LUTHERAN church. The reason is because my father (who wasn't Lutheran) didn't believe in baptising a baby. We have confirmation of Faith for the young adults to basically confirm what we have promised at that young person's baptism. My three children have all been baptised as babies and two of the three have thus far confirmed their faith. My youngest is yet to in the next few years (they are only 8 at the moment).
@michaelibach9063
@michaelibach9063 3 жыл бұрын
Because your supposed to baptize infants, that’s why.
@emilytyndall6950
@emilytyndall6950 Жыл бұрын
What does that even mean?
@sunnyjohnson992
@sunnyjohnson992 10 ай бұрын
Scripture?
@bigtobacco1098
@bigtobacco1098 7 ай бұрын
Acts 2:38 ... OIKOS covenant
@jamielake-boyd3600
@jamielake-boyd3600 Жыл бұрын
Well god said i could have my grandkids and government came in with some b.s. he gave me the covenant. He gave them a sign with the tempest to prove it.
@TULIP1024
@TULIP1024 2 ай бұрын
The existence of the non-elect renders your argument dead. If baptism is really showcasing this "unilateral" covenant that God is going to uphold and a non-elect baby is baptized then this is a contradiction. It is clear from scripture, those that are saved are those who God predestined or elected to salvation before the foundation of the world. Unless God has elected every person to salvation (which scripture clearly teaches that He hasn't; see Romans 9:11-13, for example), there remains the contradiction that God will enter into a "unilateral" contract with a person at birth, that He has not elected for salvation.
@dakotasmith1344
@dakotasmith1344 Ай бұрын
This is wacky. So why baptize anyone, since we don’t know who the Calvinist elect are? God will do whatever He wills, and baptism wouldn’t have anything to do with it. (Which flies in the face of Scripture) What’s funny is Calvinism proves out universalism: 1. God truly loves all persons. 2. Not all persons will be saved. 3. Truly to love someone is to desire their well-being and to promote their true flourishing as much as you properly can. 4. The well-being and true flourishing of all persons is to be found in a right relationship with God, a saving relationship in which we love and obey him. 5. God could give all persons “irresistible grace” and thereby determine all persons to freely accept a right relationship with himself and be saved. 6. Therefore, all persons will be saved.
@johnmann1336
@johnmann1336 10 ай бұрын
And what is the promise: the forgiveness of original sin.
@revcody
@revcody 10 ай бұрын
Yes! The promise is forgiveness of sins (both original and actual) (Acts 2:38-39). "For the forgiveness of your sins...for the promise is for 'you and your children'." Also, the promise that "baptism now saves you" (1 Peter 3:21) Also, the promise and guarantee of our inheritance comes through baptism as well (Eph. 1:13-14). We were given the Holy Spirit in our Holy Baptism (Acts 2:38-39), who is the "seal and guarantee" of our salvation or inheritance now, but not yet, which will be fully realized in heaven. So many promises come to us in and through Holy Baptism, and the GOOD NEWS is that is is for everyone...regardless of age...because Baptism and faith are God's gifts to us...not our gifts to God. Holy Baptism is God's act of choosing us to be His children...not our act of choosing Him to be our God.
@vikotto
@vikotto Жыл бұрын
I always default to “solo escritura.” If there is no example of a child baptism or a teaching of it from Christ/apostles, then it falls into that “gray area” and it shouldn’t be categorized into doctrine but rather, dogma. When in doubt…stick to scripture, it can’t go wrong.
@danbratten3103
@danbratten3103 11 ай бұрын
Knowledge of history also helps to understand things. For instance, when Gentile families wanted to become proselytes, they were baptized because they needed to pass through water, like the jewish ancestors did crossing the Jordan. You can learn more about this from the book: Infant Baptism, in the first four Centuries, by Joachim Jeremias. Fyi, it's not an easy reading book. The New Testament shows us missionary work, unbelievers becoming believers. When a family became Christians, the head of the family, usually the father, spoke on behalf of the family, and the family was baptized. Because of the Apostles being familiar with the jewish practice of baptizing proselytes (individuals & families), there was no need to spell out specifically about baptizing infants. Also, Paul mentions not only things we are to do but also things that should not be done. If infant baptism is supposedly so heretical, Paul would have mentioned it. Lastly, we can do nothing to earn our salvation and the Bible clearly teaches in multiple places that baptism saves (see 1 Peter 3:21, & Mark 16:16) and of course Christ telling us that that which is born of the flesh needs to be born of the Spirit to see heaven in John 3:2-7. Infants need to be born again. Also the Bible says in Romans 6:23 "the wages of sin is death", and since there have been infants that have died, it proves original sin exists and the need for infants sins to be washed away in the waters of baptism. Hope these examples help. Blessings to you in Christ. Amen. 🙏🏻
@bigtobacco1098
@bigtobacco1098 7 ай бұрын
OIKOS covenant
@joostbakker
@joostbakker 3 жыл бұрын
With this reasoning, although it seems very humble and God-honouring at first sight, the only people that get saved are the ones born in "the church", which is absolutely unbiblical. The idea that accepting the free gift of salvation would be a work (of the law) is ruling out the means through which God wishes to grant us, humans, salvation.
@revcody
@revcody 3 жыл бұрын
Joost, it is not unbiblical to say that any and all who "call on the name of the Lord will be saved" (Rom. 10:13) and "all who believe and are baptized will be saved" (Mk 16:16). Most often those who are called the "Baptized of the Lord" are called "Christians" and are, therefore, members of Christ's Church on earth. Salvation does not occur outside of Christ and His Means of Grace (Acts 4:12). In Ephesians 2:1, St. Paul tells us, that we are "dead in our trespasses and sins." The only thing a dead man can do is...STINK! How, then, can a dead man accept or do anything when it comes to salvation? Salvation is a gift given to us by God (Eph. 2:8-9) Baptism is God's action toward us not, our action towards God. God is active...we are passive recipients of His grace and forgiveness and salvation that He delivers through His Word and Sacraments. In our Holy Baptism, God reaches down and grabs a hold of us and claims us as His own. We cannot in any way lay hold of Him until He makes us alive through the Word and the Spirit and the water (Titus 3:5-7). My question to you would be, what do you believe to be the "means through which God wishes to grant us, humans, salvation?"
@joostbakker
@joostbakker 3 жыл бұрын
@@revcody I agree with you for a great part of your reply, but I still think you go wrong at a certain point or at least I would like to ask you a question as well. But first let me answer your question: I would say 'faith'. Faith is the means through which God grants us salvation (Eph. 2:8-9). I am in agreement with you that we humans are not capable to get things right with God, unless God reached out to us. Still, I disagree on the way how God reaches out to humans. I think this is not through baptism, but through His Holy Spirit that brings our 'dead hearts' to life and regenerates us, renews our affections, sheds light on the gospel and enables us to believe the good news of Christ's death and resurrection in our place. This transformation is in fact a dying of the old self and a coming alive of our new nature in Christ, which is displayed in baptism (Rom. 6:3-4). Do you see in the description I gave you how it is God that saves a human being through the means of faith? And that baptism is not playing a part in this process (as I see it) but rather displays what happens at the moment a human gets saved. I would like to ask you: do you think people can get saved without being baptized?
@revcody
@revcody 3 жыл бұрын
@@joostbakker this is an excellent discussion and I appreciate your kindness in your responses! First of all we need to agree that faith is a gift that is given to us by God (Phil 1:29; Eph 2:8-9) and not something that we come upon or "decide" upon. God is the giver of faith, and we are passive recipients. We also need to agree that children can have faith. The Bible is clear that children can and have always demonstrated faith. (ex. John the Baptist leaping in his mother's womb. Jesus saying that "whoever causes one of My "littles" (Greek: mikron, where we get the English word (micro: small) "Who BELIEVE IN ME, to sin, it would be better for him to have a millstone tied....Mt. 18:6)) Jesus often equated the kingdom of God to little children. He also said, "Unless you have "faith" like this little child you cannot enter the kingdom of God (Mk10). The Bible also says, "No one can say Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit," 1 Cor 12:3. Jesus also said, "No one can come to Me unless the Father draws him."(John 6:44) So now that we have established the fact that God gives faith as a gift, where is that gift given? Faith is a gift given to us by God and it is also delivered to us in our Holy Baptism and through the Holy Spirit (cf. Acts 2:38-39; 1 Peter 3:21) "Repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to Himself." "Baptism which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ..." This last verse ties into what you are alluding to in Romans 6:4, 8-11. In Holy Baptism, we die with Christ (Gal 2:20-21) and rise again to new life in Him. This death takes place in your Holy Baptism where are drowned with all sins and brought to new life in Christ (2 Cor 5:17). In your Holy Baptism, you are being adopted as a son or daughter (Gal 4:4-6; Rom 8:15; Eph 1:5) of God and He marks you and redeems you and saves you, not by any righteous deed or merits of your own, but solely by the grace of God. We are not "saved" in a moment of time. You were chosen by God before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless "saved" in Jesus Christ (cf. Eph. 1:3-14) God does the choosing; God does the predestining; God provides the redemption; God grants us, adopted children, His inheritance; All this He does through the Holy Spirit who is "given" to us in our Holy Baptism (Acts 2:38-39) and when we receive the Holy Sprit He is a deposit, a guarantee of our salvation until we acquire possession of it. Basically, salvation is all God's work and none of ours. He's the gifter...we the receivers. Honestly, the only reason people want to say that they "made a decision" for Christ is because their sinful arrogance won't let Christ have the credit for His sacrifice on the cross, as if it is somehow not sufficient to save completely (cf. Gal 2:21) If all we had to do is "make a decision" to follow Christ in order to be "saved," which, by our sinful nature, we would all fail miserably; then Christ died on the cross for no purpose. Even if we could do one thing...like giving our heart to Jesus....then Christ would not have had to die, but we were dead (Eph. 2:1) blind, and unable to do anything about our lost situation so Jesus did it vicariously in our stead. To your final question: Can one be saved without baptism? This is a tricky question because it's a "yes" and a "no" question. If a person prior to their Holy Baptism (ex. the thief on the cross, deathbed conversions or someone in an auto accident and pinned in the car and cannot escape, still birth, miscarrages) and they happen to die, they can and shall be saved through faith...because we don't decide on faith or determine faith it is a gift from God. Children who are born into Christian families, and who die in birth or before birth, who parents have every intention of having their children baptized and raised in the church, are saved...even those that are miscarried because the Scriptures declare that infants "in utero" [the Greek word "Brephos" pronounced "breffos," (cf. Lk 1:44; 2 Tim 3:15)] can have faith and knowledge of God's Word and respond to it. It's not the lack of baptism that damns, it's the despising of baptism that damns. If a person didn't have the opportunity to be baptism, that will not condemn that person. It's the person who calls themselves a Christian and says, "I don't need baptism in order to be saved" that's despising Baptism and that is what damns. "He that believes and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be condemned. So, if someone is rejecting or despising baptism...then I would say it is, indeed, necessary for salvation. It's necessary because of what it connects you to...the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. (Rom. 6) Because Jesus lives...we will live, too! A Christian's faith response is always going to be like the Ethiopian eunuch who said when talking with Phillip on the road, "Here is water...what's keeping me from being baptized?" Acts 8:36. The natural response from the believer in Christ is to be baptized whatever the age of the person. The question should never be...how little can I get away with and still be saved? You believe? Good...get baptized! Just remember in the process you don't get the credit...God does and always will! Peace in Jesus!
@joostbakker
@joostbakker 3 жыл бұрын
​@@revcody Thank you for your lengthy and in-depth response! Appreciate that. I don't know exactly where to start, but there are a few things we disagree on and I think the first thing is that I think people ARE saved in 'a moment of time', namely at the moment they put their faith (trust) in Christ. Think about the jailor in Acts 16:30-31. Before he had put his faith in Christ he was lost but according to Paul he could be saved by believing in the Lord Jesus Christ. (And yes, we do agree on the fact that no human would do this out of their own sinful nature, but only through the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit within them.) I think these verses also neatly show that it is faith that saves one, not baptism. Yes, God commands us to baptize regenerated people, but I interpret this as a first act (fruit) of obedience and not is the means through which Gods grace is applied. When it comes down to why I think baptism is not necessary for salvation (even though the Bible does seem to point to this at some places) I would like you to provide a link to another video in which this is explained well: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d8iYjcqZnM2oiX0.html. One more time about the idea that putting our faith in Christ would be a work of our own: I think you interpret this wrong. Let me first say that there probably are a lot of people who think they can make the choice for God themselves (without God), in this case I would say I agree with you, not directly on the fact that one could not make the choice to trust Christ, but more on the unbiblical reasoning/philosophy behind it. But, when you take the position that man, through the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit (through the hearing of the Word/gospel), can be made able to put his faith in Christ, Gods sovereignty and humans responsibility can be accepted at the same time. For more on this, see for example: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hNWXgciFntGahZs.html. If you don't agree with that, than my question to you would be: on what bases would you baptize a mature person who was not raised a Christian? Isn't it faith (a persons choice to trust Christ before he/she is baptized) that ALLOWS him/her to be baptized? You referred to the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8:36 and here you can see Philip holding the eunuch to the exact same standards as I just described: "Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”" (Acts 8:37 NKJV) God bless you!
@revcody
@revcody 3 жыл бұрын
@@joostbakker my dear brother in Christ! You answer as a classic Calvinist/Baptist/Evangelical would. You see only see Baptism as "an outward sign of an inward change" and not a Sacrament that God uses to deliver His gifts of forgiveness, life, and salvation. Until then, we have nothing in common. The last thing I'll say about the issue of faith being God's work and gift to us and not man's, is to say that "faith and salvation" is not a Jesus + (plus) initiative. If it's Jesus plus then what follows the plus always becomes the most important thing, when the only important thing is the work of Christ. A "mature' adult who has been given, by God, the gift of faith by the working of the Holy Spirit, through the Word of God, that individual still can't take credit for their faith. the Bible says, "No one can say Jesus is Lord, except by the Holy Spirit" (1 Cor. 12:3). When a person who is in an worshiping environment and "decides" they want to be baptized, they didn't come to that decision by their own will or their own initiative. They were chosen by God, selected by God, and drawn by God's Holy Spirit to make that decision...it had nothing to do with them because they/we are "dead in our trespasses and sins" (Eph. 2:1). Believers aren't "ALLOWED" to be Baptized...they are given the PROMISE and inclusion of Baptism by the very words of Christ to the world...of which infants and adults are all included when He said, "Go, therefore, into all NATIONS, teaching and baptizing... (Mt 28:18-20). If you say that baptism doesn't save, how do you explain what Peter says in 1 Peter 3:21, "Baptism,...now saves you?" Baptism is salvific because it connects you to Jesus' death and resurrection..."Because He lives...you will live!" (Rom. 6:8-11) "He that believes and is BAPTIZED will be saved" (Mk 16:16). You're making faith and baptism two mutually exclusive events when they are one and the same. They go hand in hand. If you have faith, you will have baptism, because that will be the natural Christian progression of events. An adult Christian will naturally want and desire baptism. Faith + baptism =salvation.
@bigtobacco1098
@bigtobacco1098 5 ай бұрын
OIKOS covenant
@georgemadar9720
@georgemadar9720 3 жыл бұрын
If man is not at all involved, please explain the definition of baptism from 1 Peter 3:21 " the answer of a good conscience toward God" (NKJV). How does the infant show "a good conscience toward God"?
@michaelibach9063
@michaelibach9063 3 жыл бұрын
The conscience is cleared because of God, not man. Infants also have no sin, thus have nothing to clear, but original sin. 1 Peter 3:21 21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, Ezekiel 36:25-29 25 I will sprinkle clean water upon you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you. 26 A new heart I will give you, and a new spirit I will put within you; and I will take out of your flesh the heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to observe my ordinances. 28 You shall dwell in the land which I gave to your fathers; and you shall be my people, and I will be your God. 29 And I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses; and I will summon the grain and make it abundant and lay no famine upon you.
@sunnyjohnson992
@sunnyjohnson992 Жыл бұрын
The correct answer is this: Baptism leads to a good conscience when we dedicate ourselves to God and get baptized, we enter into a special relationship with him. Because of our sincere repentance and our faith in the ransom, God forgives our sins. We can thus have a good conscience! Infants can’t repent or put faith in Jesus’ ransom sacrifice. The Bible clearly shows that “men and women got baptized.” (Acts 8:12)
@bigtobacco1098
@bigtobacco1098 7 ай бұрын
​@@sunnyjohnson992any OIKOS baptisms ???
@br.m
@br.m 2 ай бұрын
@@sunnyjohnson992 Silly fool
@br.m
@br.m 2 ай бұрын
Why were babies circumcised?
@stevekohl5351
@stevekohl5351 Ай бұрын
This commentator is likely a LCMS minister. In the ELCA, a baptised member has the opportunity to affirm the baptism. After 2-3 years of instruction, a 14 or 15 year old member affirms the baptism through the rite of confirmation. It is also known as affirmation of baptism.
@larrybedouin2921
@larrybedouin2921 Жыл бұрын
The denomination has fallen from grace.
@RCopley23
@RCopley23 11 ай бұрын
So God is saving the infant because YOU have declared them a child of God? Isn't that for God to do through faith and the baptism of the holy spirit?
@evangelicalcatholics
@evangelicalcatholics 3 ай бұрын
Yes, but faith isn't some work we do for God. Faith is a gift FROM God. Faith isn't about will or understanding/comprehension. Otherwise Paul would have said, "saved by grace through understanding." That's not what he said.
@millionairemafia9610
@millionairemafia9610 Жыл бұрын
Was the question of why Lutherans perform infant baptism actually answered? What are you saying that the purpose of baptism is?
@revcody
@revcody Жыл бұрын
@millionairemafia9610 yes! The question was answered. Infants are to be baptized because they are included in the words and promises of Christ when He said “Go and baptize and teach ALL NATIONS of which infants and children are included. Acts 2:38-39, “the promise is for you and your children.” We Baptize because of the promise of Christ and His command to do so. The purpose of Baptism is for God to do His redeeming work through the washing of the Word and through the Holy Spirit to connect that child to the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, adopting that child into the family of faith. Titus 3:5-7, Romans 6, Ephesians 1. Remember, Baptism is God’s work…not ours. Finally, remember this, Jesus won’t let you be your own Savior!! Jesus gets credit for the “save!” Not us!
@millionairemafia9610
@millionairemafia9610 Жыл бұрын
@revcody are you saying that baptism saves? How would an infant have faith? All nations doesn't literally mean every single person in the world (although that would be awesome). Forcing every person in the world to get baptized would be pointless. I'm also confused about how baptism is covenantal, and where that is coming from, because the New Covenant is grace through faith, not law; there is nothing about baptism being part of the New Covenant. Baptism is absolutely something a Christian is commanded to do as an outward proclamation of an inward working of the Holy Spirit and as a profession of our faith in Jesus. However, it is symbolic only. Anyone (not just infants) who is baptized outside of a profession of faith is just getting dunked in water.
@sunnyjohnson992
@sunnyjohnson992 Жыл бұрын
Acts 8:12: “But when they believed Philip, who was declaring the good news of the Kingdom of God, and of the name of Jesus Christ, both MEN AND WOMEN were getting baptized.” Here the Scriptural record clearly specifies that the ones baptized were, NOT infants, but “Men and Women.” Infant baptism is not compatible with the Scriptures. The Bible teaches that a person who wants to get baptized must meet certain requirements. For example, he should understand at least the basic teachings of God’s Word and be living in harmony with those teachings. He had repented of his sins; and through prayer he has dedicated his life to God. (Acts 2:38,41) Infants aren’t able to do these things. And the Bible tells us at 1 Corinthians 7:14 that God views very young children as holy, or clean in his eyes because of the parents good standing with God. Babies wouldn’t need to have the merit of the believing parent extended to them if infant baptism was that necessary.
@br.m
@br.m 2 ай бұрын
@@millionairemafia9610 Friend, you should read your Bible more. Why would you ask "how would an infant have faith"? Sir, can I ask you a question? Why were infants circumcised? Why not wait till they were adults and then ask them if they want to be circumcised? If you read the Bible, Baptism is compared to circumcision. So, how is baptism, in your mind, not part of the new covenant? Was circumcision not part of an old covenant??? By your logic, shouldn't Naaman have gone in to the Jordan a dry leper, and emerged a wet leper? Think about that please. You appear to be preaching work based salvation. More importantly, to deny infant baptism is to blaspheme the Spirit. Now, I was baptized as a baby. I received the gift of the Holy Spirit. So if you dare say to me, that I must be baptized again. You are guilty of the unforgivable sin. This is a hard thing to say but it is the truth. So what are you saying? Are you blaspheming the Holy Spirit? It seems like you have committed the unforgivable sin. What's next?
@br.m
@br.m 2 ай бұрын
@@sunnyjohnson992 Stop lying. You are guilty of the unforgivable sin. You went too far. Who do you think you are to tell me my baptism is invalid? Get over yourslf, demoniac.
@jamielake-boyd3600
@jamielake-boyd3600 Жыл бұрын
No crap. Why cant a 6 year old get baptized if infants can? i look at it for protection until they are old enough to understand. we need like a promise. A sign you ask god for ultimate protection over your loved one.
@1korincanima151-4
@1korincanima151-4 3 ай бұрын
Paul says that Christ did not send him to baptize, but to preach the Gospel, water baptism is part of Israel's prophetic program, and not for the Body of Christ today in the dispensation of grace, for today spiritual baptism when one believes in the Gospel of Grace is sealed with the Holy Spirit for the day of redemption, therefore one must learn to properly separate the Word of Truth in Letter 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV
@Walkeraish
@Walkeraish Жыл бұрын
So which one is it? Contract or Covenant? These are 2 different setups, but you kept merging them as the same. A contract is invalid when one of the involved parties violates it. A covenant remains intact even if one of the parties breaches it. Lastly, there is nothing in the Bible that specify this argument that Batism is a covenant, because where in the Bible does it say that? John the babtist was clearing the way for Jesus with repentance of sin THEN babtism. What you have described is not Biblical and you made it sound like babtism is ensurance of salvation because God has put his mark upon them through babtism. No, this is not what the Bible teach. I'm sorry, but your explenation made no sense at all acording to scripture.
@run4cmt
@run4cmt Жыл бұрын
Baptism is not a work. For by Grace are we saved, it is the gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast. It is a gift we get during Baptism.
@emilytyndall6950
@emilytyndall6950 Жыл бұрын
Baptism is a work that the parents are doing for the child. Also, where in the Bible does it talk about this “binding contract?”
@iamcosta
@iamcosta Жыл бұрын
Baptism should only be done by those who became born again so that they receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Infant baptism is wrong. Jesus only blessed little children.
@run4cmt
@run4cmt 10 ай бұрын
We are given the gift of faith in Baptism. Matthew 28 says to baptize all nations. When escaping from prison one of the guards was converted. He and his entire household was baptized. That means babies. In the early church, babies were baptized. In Israel, babies were circumcised at 8 days old. That is a foreshadowing of baptism. The Holy Spirit is given to us in baptism as evidenced by the presence of the Holy Spirit at Jesus baptism..@@iamcosta
@SantaCruz-tr8qy
@SantaCruz-tr8qy 11 ай бұрын
Why is No One Talking About... The individual who has put his trust in Jesus Christ as his Savior is in personal fellowship with Him all the time. . If you believe the Bible is the inspired word of God, then you must believe in Gods scriptures, not your pastor (religion) Jeremiah 23:23 The problem with God is not that He's so far away that we can't see Him. Rather, He is so close that we overlook Him. That means, you can have an Conversation with GOD anytime anywhere . The eternal purpose of God in Jesus Christ is to give us this new relationship with God (John 3:16; 6:37, 39; 2 Corinthians 5:14-21). 1Corinthians 3:16-20 Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you? If anyone destroys God's temple, God destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and you are that temple. Not only will you need this information for yourself, but you will want to share this with others Who To Believe, GOD or Your Preacher ?
@br.m
@br.m 2 ай бұрын
Friend.. What is your point? Were you trying to make a point with your comment? Are you trying to tell me that infant baptism is no good? Are you suggesting the Lutheran pastor who baptized me when I was a baby, was a liar and deceived me? Yet, look... Behold... I am an old man now and my infant baptism is valid. In no way do I need to be baptized again. If you even dare to suggest I need to be baptized again, then you commit the unforgivable sin. I know my baptism is valid and working, I know I received the gift. If you will suggest otherwise then you are indeed guilty of blasphemy of the Spirit. So, were you trying to say something one way or the other with your comment?
@josephgabriel4261
@josephgabriel4261 3 жыл бұрын
Bro if a child expir
@InDallasTexas
@InDallasTexas 3 жыл бұрын
What is bro? Is that formal English? Brother like a friar or what do you mean? Most people address a Lutheran pastor as "Reverend" or "Pastor." Understand, bro?
@Mygoalwogel
@Mygoalwogel 2 жыл бұрын
@@InDallasTexas I think something bad happened to him as he was trying to comment.
@geordiewishart1683
@geordiewishart1683 Жыл бұрын
What if I abducted a Muslim child and had him secretly baptized before returning him to his parents?
@benjiikurai4755
@benjiikurai4755 Жыл бұрын
Infant Batism is for the believing parents. Who can not just randomly pick or abduct any muslim to to be baptised.
@geordiewishart1683
@geordiewishart1683 Жыл бұрын
If infant baptism is for the believing parents then how can it benefit the child?
@emilytyndall6950
@emilytyndall6950 Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU!! This post is self-delusion! 😢
@brucedavenport7016
@brucedavenport7016 Ай бұрын
The answer to your question is...because you misunderstand scripture!
@revcody
@revcody Ай бұрын
Ummmm, nope! Don’t think so! Thanks for watching though! The Lord be with you!
@revcody
@revcody Ай бұрын
When an infant is born in the United States, that infant is a citizen, not by his own will, but by decree of our constitution. He doesn't even know it or what it means for him, but that infant is a full citizen regardless. When an infant is born, we don't wait until he can comprehend and tell him "choose your name," but the parents immediately name him and bring that infant into the family by name. This is why we baptize infants. God is claiming that child as part of His kingdom and full citizenship in His kingdom, and God is giving that child a new name that is with him forever.
@revcody
@revcody Ай бұрын
You disagree because you think Baptism is your work and not God’s work in our lives. I must say, you’re making a mighty bold assertion there!
@brucedavenport7016
@brucedavenport7016 Ай бұрын
@@revcody At least, by that admission, you state there is no scriptural support for the action. I don't care if you sprinkle water on a baby's head, just please don't infer it has any scriptural merit. It doesn't!
@brucedavenport7016
@brucedavenport7016 Ай бұрын
@@revcody I disagree because your interpretation of scripture is fundamentally flawed. There is ZERO scriptural support for infant baptism An infant cannot repent. An infant cannot believe in the Christ An infant cannot pray to receive the Holy Spirit Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. John 16:24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full. Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judæa, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
@larschristianalm
@larschristianalm 11 ай бұрын
I disagree with infant baptism. I don’t think the adoption analogy helps. Anyone should be old enough to be able to consent to their own baptism. It’s not necessary to baptise infants. Everyone should have the freedom to choose.
@evangelicalcatholics
@evangelicalcatholics 3 ай бұрын
When an infant is born in the United States, that infant is a citizen, not by his own will, but by decree of our constitution. He doesn't even know it or what it means for him, but that infant is a full citizen regardless. When an infant is born, we don't wait until he can comprehend and tell him "choose your name," but the parents immediately name him and bring that infant into the family by name. This is why we baptize infants. God is claiming that child as part of His kingdom and full citizenship in His kingdom, and God is giving that child a new name that is with him forever.
@gumbyshrimp2606
@gumbyshrimp2606 2 ай бұрын
@@evangelicalcatholicsthat is a great apologetic I’m going to use that
@lkae4
@lkae4 Ай бұрын
You just sealed the win for the alphabet movement. Well done.
@mossadagent9582
@mossadagent9582 Ай бұрын
If an adult wants to honour the baptism done in infancy he can do so. If he wants to leave Christ and follow his own desires he can do so. As parents they have done their duties in bringing the child to Christ!
@evangelicalcatholics
@evangelicalcatholics Ай бұрын
@@mossadagent9582 And hopefully the parents/sponsors and the congregation nurtured that child's faith from baptism to adulthood so he doesn't leave the faith. This is a BIG issue in churches these days, parents not teaching/catechizing at home.
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