Guess he didn't have the guts to be gentle and kind

Lovejoy wanted to be the smiths so bad that their frontman also did something controversial

I've always got the impression that morrissey is a professional contrarian. If he was in a room of cure fans he say he hates the cure and if he was in a room full of people who dont like the cure he would say he loves the cure. I think he gets a thrill out of getting people upset.

I dislike the man but when he said “the sorrow of the IRA bombing is that Thatcher escaped unscathed” I almost pissed myself

He was responding to gruesome videos of Chinese abusing dogs (some weird spiritual reason) before killing and eating them. That's all he's talking about, doesn't mean he's racist, just an animal lover.

When I first caught wind of the Chinese comment, long ago Alice In Wonderland was banned in China under the premise that "Animals are a subspecies" My thought was Morrissey was referencing and inverting that, consciously or otherwise

You can not separate an artist from their art especially when it comes to music. Art is fundamentally a reflection of the artist's beliefs, emotions and ideas and is what makes art enjoyable. The art created is a piece of that artist's soul who made it...Also as someone else said in the comments "your takes are half assed" is pretty valid. Morrissey is awesome and is not wrong in wanting to defend his culture.

It's crazy how good British music used to be

behind the hatred there lies a murderous desire for love

A lot of people love Morrissey. I love Morrissey.

Everyone is flawed, what makes you so perfect?? His gigs sell out world wide, he is not hated, he is loved by so many.

i think morrissey is a legend and his solo work was just as good as the smiths, vauxhall and i is an extraordinary album

I don't hate him. I love him. He's what you get when you expose an Angel to the sin of man.

as a fan of morrissey, i hold my own biases, but i felt that this was a very shallow take on this topic. it’s as if most knowledge in this video stems from articles and reddit posts jumbled together. reading his autobiography might help one develop a deeper and more well-informed opinion of the man, even though the book isn’t the greatest. with morrissey, it isn’t exactly “he is a bad person” it’s “he is a bad person, but…” yes, he is a devious, truculent, and unreliable prick, but a lot of what he’s said has been taken out of context, and most were off-the-cuff comments another thing, johnny marr shouldnt be pictured so saintly. he was also involved in the 40-40-10-10 split, was he not? he’d be in a lot more hot water if he wasn’t so diplomatic, something morrissey doesn’t exactly care for. this also rings true for robert smith, as they were both quite petty during their rivalry personally, i dont think it’d be the same if morrissey wasn’t an opinionated bastard, and this is because the meaning of many songs would change. even though i dont agree with his views, i love him for his humor, voice, lyrics, and outspokenness. i agree with separating the art from the artist-which you had mentioned at the start of the video-so that sort of clashes with your ending statement. in my opinion, by only listening to the smiths, that also means missing out on moz’s solo work-which really does have some great songs

Morrissey has inspired so many people to become vegetarians and while I do not agree with some of his outspoken views , I think that without reading his biography or going into great detail to understand him that you’re only scratching the surface. I am not here to argue if he is a good or a bad person. To me he has said stupid things. And he has even kicked fans out of concerts . He has sued journalists for defaming him and other things I do not agree with . But I love his singing and his music means a lot to me . The fact that he is saving animals lives with songs like meat is Murder and being a strong candidate for animal rights is a great act of kindness to all living animals on this earth. I enjoy his solo music a lot and have seen him live . I do wish he would not antagonise people, however I believe that if people do not stand up for their beliefs then the world would be a place where no one is held accountable for their actions . Morrissey may not be perfect but he has definitely helped a lot of people to feel less alone and no I do not agree with racism of any kind . Anyway I am not here to argue . You’re entitled to your opinion

I love Morrissey

Everyone doesn't hate Moz...only do gooders hate him.

You know most Smiths lyrics are being wry in their miserablism? He's not singing any of them with a straight face. Bear that in mind, appreciate the joke, and 99% of any criticisms against their lyrics just evaporate. Sadly a lot of people don't really get it, so of course the songs look ridiculous, they're supposed to be, at least in large part.

@8:02 - "There's a million more examples of Morrissey being a hateful & horrible person." There's also a million more examples of you Red-Herring Fallacy & Straw-manning his arguments. Do or don't like him - whatever - but don't spend an 8-minute rant Strawmanning him.

He's talking about their treatment of animals. I'm with him.

Robert Smith and Morrissey have both made up since the 90s and admitted it was all petty and in jest.

The biggest take away here should be: It is important to separate the artist from the art. You don't have to like everything about the person, just because you like their work.

Everyone can have their opinions. I think many people hopped on the “let’s hate him together” bus. He speaks his mind and truth that most people don’t want to hear.

*NOT HISPANICS!!! WE ❤HIM!*

2:34 "Unknown Pleasures" did not completely define the music of 80s Britain, that is prepostorous thing to say. Unknown Pleasures and Joy Division in general have sort of a renaissance among mainly North American youthi in the 21st century, but they were not that influential in the 1980s. "Blue Monday" by New Order was far more influetial on the music of 80s Britain than anything by Joy Division. Young people (Millennials and Gen Z) are reinterpreting history to try and view it in a way they feel comfortable with. But the 1980s isn't a decade that most of you would have liked to have lived in. Morrissey was no more of a dick in the 1980s than most older people back then. People in 1980s Britain (especially in Northern England) were not that sensitive to insults or slagging people off (especially people in other bands, and other artists). It was part of the culture. British bands and artists dissed each other all the time in the music papers, slagging other people off was part of the air that people breathed. Music journalists did it all the time. Morrissey gave back as good as he got.

This video is absolute nonsense.

Even though he is the way he is, I'm sorry but the guy has one hell of a voice.

It isn't arrogance. There's a lot of self-deprecation in what he says. It's more that Morrissey, like most poets, has a pathological fear of being boring. It's the Oscar Wilde thing. He'd rather be talked about than not talked about.

Every free thinker loves Morrissey

I for one don’t hate him. I quite like him.

He's right about Chinese tbh. The way they treat animals is sick.

I wonder if Moz takes some sort of hidden pleasure in having so many misunderstood quotes, like his idol Oscar Wilde.

I actually love Morrissey and he's been my hero for as long as I can remember. My dad's been a massive Smiths fan since they were active, so naturally they and Morrissey played around the house my whole upbringing, so I'll admit some bias. But it's asking an extraordinary amount to actively dislike someone and boycott their work over compiled comments over years of media scrutiny. Some of my best friends in the real world have political and social beliefs that stand absolutely against how I feel. I love them nonetheless for their qualities and good. I'm also willing to understand that intelligent people say ridiculous things when passions are high. I'd tend to imagine the subspecies comment for instance wasn't targeted at the entire Chinese population when the topic of discussion was wet markets. It's the type of thing where I'm sure despite foolishly hasty wording that PewDiePie doesn't hate black people. The enigmatic frontman of The Smiths made me who I am today. The solo singer I saw in Birmingham one rainy October night made my year. I don't mind if he votes a different party to mine.

Morrissey is a legend. Great lyricist, great voice, great artist. What is there not to like.

well, he is a Gemini...

were you there in 1980s britain? I mean honestly, your takes are half assed

Morrissey is a legend and I really don’t think he’ll care what you or tik tok users think of him 😂 And as someone who loved the Smiths back in the day and now hearing Morrissey is now far right is laughable.

I dont hate him, his music is great and thats all that matters

People hate Morrissey because he is too real for most people (like you).

They don't , you just wish.

I think most people assume that if you like a band’s songs, you have to like everything about the band and what they say. Why is that? Perhaps it’s because the songs are often so personal that the listeners feel they must have so much in common with them, as if they are soulmates. That’s a bit ridiculous. I’m not sure if I’d get along with any of my favourite singers just because I like their songs.

Easier to hate someone that admit they might be right….

Johnny Marr heavily carried The Smiths imo. One of the greatest guitarist of all time

The notion of a bad or good person is so darn flawed and probably a result of most folks liking to think in simple terms. We all have good and bad within us, anyone stating otherwise is a foolish nobhead. Most weak folks follow the pack, being too darn worried about what others think about them.

Why Does "Everyone" HATE Morrissey from The Smiths ? Because, he's intelligent, relevant and lucid. That's not considered as qualities nowadays.

I’m Chinese and I absolutely agree that mainland Chinese are a subspecies.

Your point about Morrissey's parents being immigrants is not valid. Obviously, Irish and English have a lot in common in terms of both DNA and culture. The current foreigners in the UK do not. England for the English!

I think what I like most about Morrissey other than his songs, is his stance on animal rights. He’s dead on about all that. It’s extremely difficult to write a great song about animal cruelty.

Hardly reasons to label him a 'bad person'.

Only thing I don’t understand is why people only seem to care for moz but ignore when other musicians do same stuff (I’m not saying he’s any better btw it’s just odd that people only seem to hate on him and ignore others)

Dont mean to be rude, but this is not very good man. It sort of accomplishes the goal of the title, in a many citations way, but theres no point. I dont think moz or anyone else in the world really cares if people they revile dont like them back. If he had been afraid to make a statement the smiths wouldve likely been just a local group. Turns out not giving a shit and saying what needs to be said will take you far- theres millions in agreement that dont have the leverage to use their right to speech. Thank you morrissey for not giving anyone a pass for being any given color or political stripe. Everyone else has, and its become pretty evident a culture of inability to do or be wrong has not worked out for anyone. Those who think anyone else is above criticism long for such protectionism for themselves, if anyone was wondering why a certain political sphere has such a p3do problem. The smiths are not for most of the simply depressed and angry people that like the tunes. Its for people who can tell how genuinely backwards and self defeating modern western culture has become. Its about societal rot coming from a million directions, tip top and very bottom, and it would be disingenuous at the very least to have just ignored certain facets. If you hate morrissey, theres probably a lot about yourself you dont like, which is normal; its what you do with it. If the answer is not own up and to seek protection, youll get it, probably with detriment to those around you. Its all very self serving and were screwed if the cynics give up. Im not a vegan, i accept his criticism and his right to it. The industry i rely on for food is amoral. There was a time when i didnt know who he was, when i hated him for it. I was trying to avoid admission of complicity. My brain painted him as a hateful douche to protect itself. Morrisseys philosophy helped me to get over imperfection. Most people could do a bit less enforced unassailability of culture and practice, itll make you a smarter, more self reflective person, even though the average idiot will see it as self absorbtion. Its liberating, really, to get proof that theyll come down on you for the crime of coming down on them, and the only difference is the opinion. None you are without sin, so stop pretending and sack up to such issues as "maybe a huge influx of the worlds unskilled labor wasnt a huge favor to england" just as it was wrong for england to just take india. Theyre not mutually exclusive, and you dont have to tie your head in knots to avoid acknowledging flaws in humanity that are universal. If everyone is equal, then everyone is equally a tool of some idea or power. no more excuses for humans is the jist of the philosophy.

Morrissey is the antidote to all the simpering whining cancel culture bores that dominate culture today. He's not afraid to speak his mind and say what goes against the accepted narrative and doesn't give a damn what you think. He also happens to be a great songwriter and singer and performer who has sustained an interesting career with a devoted fan base since he left The Smiths. Yes, I'm a fan.

All of this made me like his like 30% more

Ive never heard Morrisey say a dumb thing.... close but no. spot on about Joy division.

Morrissey is just above you

I love morrissey

I dont agree with anything he says but i sort of think at least hes not just apologising cos he thinks the public will like that

I agree you could separate the two at least up to a point, though I don't find him to be all that bad, he seems a bit egocentric and emotionally immature maybe, it wouldn’t surprise me if he’s autistic. He seems very annoyed that people in general aren’t bothered about the things in life that he’s concerned with, people do have a varying view of poetry, and perhaps he assumes what other people says and does always stands in a direct correlation to how talented they are and ignoring the fact it could be deliberate choice. Seemingly he doesn’t take other peoples tastes or opinions into account which happens to be a typical personal trait of what is often called a true artist. I also believe these (strong) feelings has been a huge vehicle in his songwriting.

I love the man.

That isn't even the entire quote

One of the times YT algorithm does a good job of recommending something awesome - keep up the great work! :)

"It's important to separate the art from the artist" YES!

but I love Morissey

wtf i like Morrissey now.

Free spirit , just Based.

I like the way you signal your virtue against hatred by been hatful, well done sir and before you say it I am not a Morrissey apologizer I don't really like the man, you might want to remember an eye for a eye leaves the world blind.

Huge fan of The Smiths here. I love Moz, his songwriting, his poetry and his spirit. The man is a hero because he's not afraid to speak out and point out that the emperor has no clothes. No-marks and cowards keep trying to cancel him, but you will never succeed. He has huge support. Viva Morrissey ♥

Don't care. He could hate me, and I him, but I will forever listen and love the lyrics and music of the Smiths, and then, Morrissey 👊✌️

Ha, ha, ha, I love Morrissey because he gets the right people foaming at the mouth. 😊

I was around in the 80's and to say Joy Division defined 80's Britain...is nonsense. They were rarely mentioned in the music press or by the young alternative kids I knew. Love W/T/U/A was sometimes played at indie disco's but that was about it. People were far more into New Order. There is absolutely no influence of J/D in The Smiths...none.

There can be only one ! I love Morrissey !

He's got a realistic understanding about what's happening to Britain and indeed the rest of Europe. Hopefully more influential people will speak out before it's too late.

I think his comments on Joy Division and The Cure were a little arrogant. But I see no wrong in his political views, plus, it's just his opinion

Morrissey is a god, he'll be proven right in time

I don't think you know the difference between illegal immigration and legal immigration. Not wanting open borders doesn't make you far right. There are millions of labour voters who voted for Brexit.

Yea, C18 on Morrissey concerts, that totally happened. 🤣🤣

Morrissey is a God

He didn’t have a Union Jack I mean how very dare he 🙄

Morrisey 100 on Joy Division. Ians Death are what sparked Factory Records ans built New Order which Sumner was 100 times the writer than Curtis. And If New Order was never here then there would have been no Hacienda Club which spawned the Entire Acid House scene with literally dozens of bands all the way to Oasis. But it wasn't bc Joy Division was great it was be Ian was unfortunately dead. And uh Morrisey is awesome....

I don't... i rather like him.

i like Morrisey, if he would be different he wouldnt be him. take or leave it

You can't take that article by Darya Rustamova seriously. Starting with a list of Morrissey songs she misquotes, and obviously has never listened to - none of them have any racist sentiments, “This is Not Your Country” is about the troubles in N.I. ffs. She also has no idea about the 1992 Finsbury Park gig in which Morrissey supported Madness. The area was in no way overrun with race based violence - where did she get that nonsense from? Morrissey was actually bottled off when he came on stage in the Union Flag - a misguided attempt at patriotism in a county that automatically sees this flag and the St. George cross as symbols of racism . Darya Rustamova is purposely twisting history to fit into her own biased view.

Since I am an adult I have the increasingly rare ability to separate the man and the artist Morrisey. The smiths are absolutely brilliant and while his solo is nowhere close to as good, he has made some very good solo songs as well, the most recent that comes to mind is :"Bobby, Don't You Think They Know?" Brilliant track with a new sound I had not heard from Morrisey before

He's a legend.. end of

My most toxic relationship is the one I have with Morrissey 😩

I don't hate Morrissey, i love him and i stand up for him, always!

You cannot separate art from the artist, art is an extension of the artist, its impossible to separate Dalí from The Great Masturbator or Morrissey from The Queen is Dead.

I love Morrissey hate this bollocks

Thanks for the video, now I like him even more!

If it's not love, then it's the big, the big, the big uh tree that will bring us together

On no British man patriotic and is proud of his career and nationality he's literally the funny mustache man. Honestly you people are a joke you get so uppity about everything there's literally nothing wrong with him.

Hated the smiths and morrisey back in 80s...but i like him now!😃

the yapping is wild

I love your channel cuz im in my yearly blur phase again

China does seem to be quite a cruel country, though.

It's called opinion, people seem to want to like the same thing so you can feel a common ground, that's what's wrong with today, is if you're going to separate the music from the person then you need to understand your own reason why, I can understand why people don't fancy Morrissey but he's si ply just who he is and an artist to his own fashion of what HE thinks is proper to him in sound and ideal, it's also a brit fing bruv haha Liam is the same way haha but I think Morrissey is not only an outstanding vocalist and frontman but he stands on what he enjoys and doesn't care if anyone likes or doesn't like what he thinks, he just feels his ideal is right, arrogant or not, he is true about what he thinks🙏🏽

damn he's based

You say everybody hates Morrissey, hmmm? Well, not MEEEEEEE!!! As Queen Jacqui Carol Yah Ha Ha HIMashiac, I LOVE LOVE LOOOOOOOVE Morrissey

Artists will have controversial opinions. Feel free to disagree and dislike him but respect his opinions no matter what. If he were a prick but his views were aligned with the globalists politics he would still be spolighted at the pinnacle of the media. For me the fact that he defends his opinion and dares TO BE HIMSELF makes me like him and follow him even more. Or the story about "BEING YOURSELF" is acceptable only if you align with the globalist lefties?

Nice try... You MISSED the rest of his sentence, he said they were *ONLY* BECAUSE of their cruelty, torture, violence and killing of animals (who are voiceless), because of the nation’s track record of animal welfare, etc. NOTHING TO REPORT HERE, JUST PROPAGANDA/CLICK BAIT!