Why does the Famas have a 3 round burst with 25 round mags?

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@smokestack3327 Ай бұрын

But they could’ve done 24 and still kept the straight mag.

@yudodis Ай бұрын

Yeah, I'd still want the last round. You never know when you'll need it

@cletusburgerboy9143 Ай бұрын

Nope. That extra round may seem inconsequential, but it is extremely important. It's a 25+1 for a reason, best kept that way.

@BigWheel. Ай бұрын

Maybe you could count off bursts and then reload when you're on the +1

@thezuck8157 Ай бұрын

@@BigWheel.Big brain 🧠

@ParanoydYT Ай бұрын

You know you’re out when you only shoot 1

@linfraredl4906 Ай бұрын

It also functionally tells you when you're out, if you see 1 damage number instead of 3 u gotta reload

@violetwyvern6289 Ай бұрын

I see you don’t shoot for a hobby or a living

@linfraredl4906 Ай бұрын

@@violetwyvern6289 I see you can't comprehend a shitpost, I'm a range master so try again

@Div1ne_1 Ай бұрын

@linfraredl4906 the guy with anime pfp is definitely a rangemaster

@josephmuradyan6161 Ай бұрын

@@linfraredl4906 being a range master definitely doesn’t help your case as someone who isn’t incompetent about guns, having the anime pfp does indicate you’re not a complete fudd though

@thatguythatstoleyourlunch3189 Ай бұрын

@@josephmuradyan6161it’s a meme you pedantic goobers

@flare9757 Ай бұрын

Another potential factor: 8 bursts of 3 is 24. 1 extra stays in the chamber when you change mags. Don’t need to recharge the bolt.

@cameronincorporated Ай бұрын

But then after that, it’s 1 in the chamber + 25. You’ll fire 8 bursts of 3 again and then have a burst of 2 at the end.

@flare9757 Ай бұрын

@@cameronincorporated This is true. But it means as long as you count 8 trigger pulls per mag, you’ll have some spare ammo, but you can fast reload without the charging handle.

@larslevinberget9558 Ай бұрын

That is really neat!

@Emmanuel322977 Ай бұрын

YES THANK I WAS THINKING THIS IN MY HEAD😅😅😅

@LeInternetcockroach Ай бұрын

Or you use the last one on yourself to not get captured

@quentintin1 Ай бұрын

two additional things too about why 25: before the FAMAS, the French Army rifle was the mas 49/56, whose ammo came on 5-rounds stripper clip and making the mags 25 rounders allowed the MAS to reuse some of the machines and jigs used to make MAS 49 mags

@truc2fou915 Ай бұрын

You can use 5 rounds stripper to do 30 rounds mag nah?

@quentintin1 Ай бұрын

@@truc2fou915 you can indeed but like mentioned in the video, doing a 30 rounder would have required to curve the mag, and like i mentioned it would have needed new equipment to be able to produce those mags, which would have raised the magazine costs wouldn't have it good then? maybe, but also like the early USGI M16 mags, FAMAS mags were supposed to be disposable, so cost was a big factor

@TheSchultinator Ай бұрын

This makes far more sense than other reasons I've seen

@desertdude540 Ай бұрын

@@TheSchultinator Whenever something seems slightly off about magazine capacity, it usually turns out to be a multiple of however many rounds fit in a pre-existing ammunition package.

@AngelG93 Ай бұрын

Two things make this seem like the right answer along with the reasons given in the short: 1. Doctrine was different then, and loading from stripper clips seemed reasonable and definitely cost effective. 2. No one was counting how many bursts they fired, much less how many rounds per burst. Not to mention militaries are trained to shoot single fire. The 1 in the chamber argument makes no sense.

@klauschigurh3377 Ай бұрын

Because once you expand 24 rounds you’ll still have one remaining for yourself.

@TheHaughtyOsprey Ай бұрын

Very French......

@EagleSix52 Ай бұрын

Are we fighting against Dark Eldar from Warhammer 40k or smt?

@bmw328igearhead Ай бұрын

"...expend..."

@benny4162 Ай бұрын

E X P A N D D O N G

@danielsass1826 Ай бұрын

Wow that's dark

@dragonseatcheese8727 28 күн бұрын

To be clear, the burst and the magazine have nothing to do with one another. That is why. The 25 round magazine was put into the design for one reason or another, but the burst functionality is completely separate. Especially since the rifle actually has 30 round magazines.

@TriviumQuadrivium 23 күн бұрын

well put. 3 round burst is the standard. Trying to relate the rifle and the mag is so arbitrary and simple minded

@deadahead6775 22 күн бұрын

Only the FAMAS G2, bought by the Marine Nationale, have STANAG 30 rounders. All F1s have the old 25.

@redeye4516 Ай бұрын

I figured it was a good reload indicator. You get 8 3-round bursts. When your gun only shoots once, you know it's empty.

@helikopterbojowyka-5234 Ай бұрын

That’s actually pretty smart since sometimes (especially in combat) it’s hard to tell if it’s not bullet that got stuck

@troyhenry6111 Ай бұрын

No. Count pulls out check mag. Single round is pointless

@redeye4516 Ай бұрын

@troyhenry6111 1. It means there's no "click" when you pull the trigger, you've still shot at the guy and you can now immediately reload instead of sitting there clicking the empty gun as your enemy lines you up in his sights. Yeah, you could just count the bursts, but in a firefight, things are hectic enough as it is. A three round burst sounds and feels different from a single round firing, giving you a sort of two-factor warning that your gun is now empty. And, if the gun has jammed, or otherwise malfunctioned, you'll either know immediately because there was no single shot or you'll have your magazine out and see that there's still bullets inside, letting you get a head start on unfucking your lifeline. 2. France. The French copy no one, and no one copies the French. Fundamental rule for dealing with anything to do with them, like how they made a car with two small engines located in the front and the rear instead of just giving it one normal engine. Same guys who strode onto the fields of battle in 1914 dressed in bright red, white, and blue uniforms because they looked like the French flag instead of switching to brown or grey or green like literally all of their neighbors did like 10 years beforehand.

@troyhenry6111 Ай бұрын

@redeye4516 1. Is a fantasy situation. You should be counting bursts. And since we are just ignoring counting like you should be doing, then we can also pretend you dont notice the difference between a two round burst and a three. See how you assumed they started without 1 in the chamber. I can just assume stupid arguments also. I spent 12 years in the military. You count. 2. Umm yea sure they purposely design it poorly so that invalidates me some how

@redeye4516 Ай бұрын

@troyhenry6111 Well like I said, "should" doesn't always mean "is" in the field. Sometimes you'd see guys in a firefight wearing their armor and nothing else because they just woke up. Some guys also bust crotch holes in their pants for ventilation even though they really shouldn't. But alright, on that same merit, let's assume that the soldier has reloaded mid-mag and there's now 2 extra rounds in the gun. That's still a two-round burst, not 3. I can notice the difference between 2 shots and 3 coming from my gun. And well, I'm just saying part of why they'd have it this way, it wasn't meant to be a competition or trying to infringe on you or something. But you do you I suppose.

@LukasM1213 Ай бұрын

French guns are like french cars: very weird, but also charming in a way

@HARRAWISH 29 күн бұрын

tanks too

@LET4M4RU 28 күн бұрын

Liberté, Égalité, Renault Coupé 🇫🇷

@berberecivilise2825 27 күн бұрын

@@LET4M4RU😂

@richtenamore1364 27 күн бұрын

SOME of them lol

@JimboJuice 27 күн бұрын

If only we could say the same about the people.

@michaelflammer3622 Ай бұрын

I thought that straight m16 mags was a Mandela effected memory. Thank you for this reminder!

@dannya1854 20 күн бұрын

They first used 20 round magazines during the Vietnam war, they eventually adopted 30 round magazines.

@nkgoodal 19 күн бұрын

@@dannya1854- the 20s were pretty sought after in the early 2000s when I was in (99-21). They fed better, which we attributed to a shorter spring, and the lack of curve. Also, this dude is WAY overstating the importance of 3 round burst. We almost always fired single, aimed shots. Bursts eat up ammo quickly.

@Tinfoil_Hardhat Ай бұрын

The real answer for the question is the 3 round burst feature was an afterthought and not apart of the original design.

@Laotzu.Goldbug Ай бұрын

Bingo. All the other answers here about how it is actually some nifty trick to remind you when you're empty, or keep a round in the chamber when reloading, some other nonsense is pure fantasy. (Not too dissimilar to the myth that the Garand ping somehow let the enemy knew you were out of ammo, a comment that could only be made by people who don't actually consider the reality of combat).

@brainfart22 Ай бұрын

Thank you. I hate these damn click bait shorts that don't deliver on what they promise in the title

@black_thunder2159 Ай бұрын

exactly!

@azharp9391 Ай бұрын

@@brainfart22 yeah am I trippin' or did the guy never even actually touched on why it's got 3 round burst? All he said was the 25 round mags store easier than curved mags and that's it

@MrNotBot 28 күн бұрын

@@azharp9391 He never did. 3 round burst exists as a compensation for lack of training/experience, it allows unexperienced soldiers to fire bursts without dumping the entire mag when they are pumped with adrenaline.

@FineCurry Ай бұрын

Means you always know when the burst is done too

@aweskome4894 Ай бұрын

Not really, sometimes burst will only set of 2 rounds and other times 5. Really depends on the conditions.

@Stand_watie Ай бұрын

@@aweskome4894 It is practically useless

@nikoraasu6929 Ай бұрын

@@Stand_watie"manually" burst firing from in full auto is preferred from what I heard

@black_thunder2159 Ай бұрын

u wont notice my guy, that gun fires 1200 rounds a minute, that's a myth. the real reason is simply because its an afterthought, the first batch production of FAMAS never had 3-round burst, they just added it later cuz the requirement changes, & they adapted.

@Siweyautism-q9h 10 күн бұрын

1200 is crazy, its only 1000 max for burst

@ifistedabear Ай бұрын

I just noticed that the bipod on these look like a long-handled ratcheting wrench.

@gatsbysgarage8389 Ай бұрын

I was about to say the same

@countcampula Ай бұрын

That was in the 80s, it has a different mag now

@coolbean9880 Ай бұрын

false, the famas f models continue using the straight 25 round magazines to this day, only the navy uses the famas g models with 30 round stanags

@josefish5193 Ай бұрын

@@coolbean9880 You have no idea what you're talking about.

@bluecaptainIT Ай бұрын

@@josefish5193 he's right though

@eeruur Ай бұрын

idk who's right and i dont care to research

@aliceakosota797 Ай бұрын

@@bluecaptainITdidn't they ditch these rifles for hk416?

@TranquillShot Ай бұрын

I'm so glad he explained why

@craigthescott5074 5 күн бұрын

I carried an AR-15 as a rifle operator when I was a Cop. We were initially given 20 round metal mags but we had so many malfunctions that we switched to 30 round mags,and had no problems.

@roymuerlunos2426 Ай бұрын

I think a lot of people mistake that the 3 round burst isn't to evenly divide into the magazine but more that it's been seen to be the best amount of rounds for an effective burst. Running out of ammo is running out of ammo, no two ways about it, this discussion would also assume that you've fired your 8 full bursts rapidly without ever having time or concerns of reloading, which you typically would if you've dispensed that much supersonic lead-love.

@KuiperbeltPluto Ай бұрын

Exactly, three round burst is more for the impact rather than ammo conservation

@black_thunder2159 Ай бұрын

hence why the real answer is that the 3 round burst for 25 round mag is simply just an afterthought, we literally knew this because the first batches of FAMAS doesnt have 3 round burst, just full auto & semi auto. they just added 3 round burst later on.

@rubberwoody Ай бұрын

Id also like to bet the VAST majority of shots coming out of the Famas are semi automatic in real use

@ALC570 Ай бұрын

>be french >made one gun that shoots 3 bullets at once >mag capacity is not divisible by 3

@elathiaskade7311 Ай бұрын

Hell is where the engineers are French…

@fabuxverchatura 29 күн бұрын

who are you beefing with

@8thdayadventist911 Ай бұрын

It could also be that you usually don't want to max out the magazine's capacity with 25 rounds, so it will be loaded up to 24 instead. It makes it fit easier and is just simpler. Just because a magazine can hold a particular amount, doesn't mean you have to fill it to the top.

@dariushajnala5562 28 күн бұрын

This is such an idiotic comment holy shit. Please show me a SINGLE active duty soldier that would prefer to have less-than-max amount of bullets in their magazine? The reason why it has 25 rounds is so that you know when you ran out of ammo and have to reload.

@richtenamore1364 27 күн бұрын

Why would you usually not fill your mags?

@carlemilknudsen3438 21 күн бұрын

@@richtenamore1364 my father told me they usually put one less round in their mags so they werent as prone to jamming

@iknowthings7367 Ай бұрын

Thank you!! I've wondered about that for years & years!

@baylog9679 Ай бұрын

Its actually so that you know when you are out of ammo because this gun doesn't hold the bolt open on your last shot so you know when you need to reload when you only get a two round bursrt

@ChatGPTreally Ай бұрын

Sorry, two round? Never learned math bud?

@pinyw683 Ай бұрын

@@ChatGPTreallyThe rifle could also have a round in the chamber so the total amount of rounds could be 26

@Stolach_AK_AR Ай бұрын

@@ChatGPTreally same to you, where did you get 2 rounds? 25-> 24+1 = 8 times full 3 rounds and 1 extra round for a notice that your gun is empty

@ChatGPTreally Ай бұрын

@@Stolach_AK_AR i didnt get two rounds, hence my comment senior

@Stolach_AK_AR Ай бұрын

@@ChatGPTreally Oh, sorry I read it wrong, then that previous comment of mine is now aimed at @baylog9679 , I'm apologizing again for not reading it right.

@CrossroadsReloaded Ай бұрын

Really intricate questions when the rifle was probably used in semi 99% of the time anyway.

@theploot8230 29 күн бұрын

That's why full auto is a dumb idea that they a still keep.

@CrossroadsReloaded 29 күн бұрын

@@theploot8230 Yes. FAMAS G2 ROF: 1200 rpm. That's MG42 territory. It can dump a 30 rounds magazine in 1.5 seconds. Where/when would that be of any use, I don't know. 😂

@volturnianlobster9350 Ай бұрын

You normally keep one less bullet in the mag because the gun malfunctions more if you dont

@tritium77 Ай бұрын

that only affects the AR platform and it doesn't cause malfunctions, just makes it harder to seat the magazine when the bolt is closed

@stephenhood2948 Ай бұрын

No, I load all of my magazines to 30 rds and never have a failure to feed. The only time I have ever had feeding issues on my AR is using steel cased ammo. Full magazines take a bit more effort to seat into a rifle with a closed bolt, that is it. If your rifle is having feeding problems ck your magazines for damaged feed lips or the rifle for a damaged feed ramp. All ARs should have M4 feed ramps for reliable feeding.

@glasscoyote9687 Ай бұрын

You know what's funnier than 24?

@ashtonnix7707 29 күн бұрын

Lemme hear it

@highoncyanide8023 29 күн бұрын

@@ashtonnix7707 bro abr to do a muscle man joke

@ashtonnix7707 29 күн бұрын

@@highoncyanide8023 "25~"

@Seany1 27 күн бұрын

@@highoncyanide8023 please tell me you're joking

@clongshanks5206 8 күн бұрын

@yoface2537 Ай бұрын

This doesn't answer the question about why they had the burst, it answers one about why they had 25 round mags

@LachsChaos187 Ай бұрын

The burst was never in question

@yoface2537 Ай бұрын

@LachsChaos187 the way it is phased the magazines are the given but the burst is what is being questioned

@XtreeM_FaiL 21 күн бұрын

Mag size and burst are not related in any way.

@Valhalla5133 Ай бұрын

*french forgetting how to count*: “Oh yes it is easy to store! That’s totally what we were going for.”

@mid1429 Ай бұрын

They have a wird counting system

@Valhalla5133 Ай бұрын

@@mid1429 fr fr

@subtlewhatssubtle 25 күн бұрын

My uncle used one and spoke well of it. On the unusual magazine size, he described it as "One warning shot and twenty-four reminders you were warned."

@jiankhan 28 күн бұрын

3 rounds burst at 1000 rpm. After a good polishing and tuning, it can be upped to 1200 rpm. It was thinked to do a multi-tapping up to 25m with one trigger pull and defeating body armor (from the era) in one "shot". Some of ours were tuned by the MAS technicians to achieve 1200 rpm, and we were able to put the 3 rounds on target at 50m while on bipods, and easily 2 at 25m while standing. Remember, we rarely used the burst (full and 3), but only consecutive singles. Burst was for CQB, and full for suppressing / destruction. And the magazine can hold 25 (26), but was in fact loaded with 24 due to a possible jam caused by the very high cycle rate (the first is fired, and while ejecting a second can pops up and jam the bolt open) and the high pressure of the mag spring. In five years, it happened only one time to me. But it can happen. Plus, we carried more mags than our US counterparts. Smaller, but more. :) And the rifle weight less, and the shorter size was perfect for prone and bipods position.

@steel8231 Ай бұрын

The Famas was also originally meant to take disposable 1 time use magazines, but that worked out exactly as you'd expect, so the French record of being a disappointment to literally everyone involved remains intact.

@wildbill6976 27 күн бұрын

disposable one time use applies to rifle itself too... after it's fired, they can tie a white rag to the barrel and wave it at the enemy...

@TheLateRepublic Ай бұрын

Huh, thought the reason would be so the last burst is shorter thus queuing to the shooter that the mag is empty.

@calicat4651 Ай бұрын

This sounds like a good answer till you consider that it'd be the last thing someone focuses on in combat, youd notice it'd be empty when it goes click

@RWR-nq4gd Ай бұрын

Cueing. Queueing is standing in lines. Cue is the root word.

@evergreengaming2.053 Ай бұрын

I've always wondered this, why do rifle mags that go above 25 rounds have to curve, but pistol mags that go above 25 don't? Take a Tec-9 for example here, it has something like a 30 round mag and it doesn't curve.

@Evictiorama 29 күн бұрын

It's because pistol cartridges generally aren't necked like rifles so they stacked more evenly under spring pressure (nice WoF pfp, dork)

@Blitzkrieg_Wolf 25 күн бұрын

I'd say it was more because the 3-round burst feature was implemented _after_ they had already selected the magazine design and it convoluted the entire purpose of the rifle... so the fact that there's a last round in the chamber after 8 volleys of 3, allowing a mag change without needing to rechamber the gun is just serendipity out of a mild goof-up on the French Defense Ministry's part. Still a cool design, imo.

@cobracamp5005 Ай бұрын

1 in the chamber 25 in the mag

@notaveragecr6041 Ай бұрын

So, 8 three round bursts and then 1 two round burst?

@cobracamp5005 Ай бұрын

@@notaveragecr6041 I just realized my math was wrong 💀

@NinjaFresh Ай бұрын

@@cobracamp5005 lol I was like 26 isn't divisible by 3 evenly.

@HalFromTartary Ай бұрын

@@cobracamp5005I love how confident you were, I could do with that kinda assurance and self-belief in my life

@roadkillcatgirl3620 Ай бұрын

When the full 3 round burst doesnt fire you know you're empty.

@Thecelestial1 Ай бұрын

best explanation ive heard imo

@bigbosso5604 17 сағат бұрын

I never noticed this before but the famas pistol grip is totally the same form factor as the thompsons

@user-hp4up7wz5g 22 күн бұрын

I love when he explained why it has 25 instead of 24 or 27

@samuelhayes5198 Ай бұрын

So each mag gives 8 3 round bursts with 1 round left? Is it just count to 8 then reload? If so then is wasting 1 round every mag after the first mag? Like: From empty chamber, load 25. Fire 24 via 8 bursts. Last burst cycles the 25th into chamber, leaving 1st mag empty. But repeating with next mags will leave 1 in magazine after 8th burst.

@CaptainHesperus Ай бұрын

I don't think your math maths. 25 round mag, 8 bursts of three rounds leaves 1 in the chamber. Reload second 25 round mag, gun now has 26 rounds (25 in mag plus one from previous mag in the chamber). Firing 8 bursts would then result in 24 rounds expended, one in the chamber, one remaining in the mag.

@destructivepanda5226 Ай бұрын

Showed this to my brother he screamed “I love the Battle Rifle!!!”

@idzharinufbackwards6009 5 күн бұрын

It's obviously because your reload speed is faster when there's already a bullet in the chamber 🙄 even without quick hands and the mag attachment 🥶🥶

@user-jp7fe4nz2r 26 күн бұрын

When your famas only shoots one round instead of 3, it lets the user know its time to reload

@TEMICXOCH909 Ай бұрын

Famas: ✅ Hamas: 🚫

@riyaansheikh7470 Ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@accelerator1666 Ай бұрын

Wow real creative and topical

@Dr.Randy.Butternubs Ай бұрын

Looks: 10/10 Capacity: 5/10 Function: 3/10

@jolanderphilip Ай бұрын

Ho ho we we

@deadbrother5355 Ай бұрын

Also, there's no question when you're empty. It goes: Badadap, badadap, badadap, badadap, badadap, badadap, badadap, badadap, Bap. (Now empty) reload, repeat as necessary.

@backwoodsjunkie08 25 күн бұрын

I remember those things looking so futuristic when they came out, now they look like an old relic

@thatoneguy45234 Ай бұрын

Famas is fired twice and dropped once

@chriscabal3345 Ай бұрын

Cause those cowards aremt going to fight with it anyways so who cares right?

@nawm8 Ай бұрын

The French were stacking bodies before you were a twinkle in your dad's sack lmao.

@hansvader4864 Ай бұрын

Cue: Operation Serval.

@bababooey2893 Ай бұрын

I'm gonna guess you haven't seen anything they've done since WW2? Even then their surrender was largely due to mismanagement, and arguably the war on the Western front couldn't have been secured without the help of French revolutionary groups.

@Blaidd7542 Ай бұрын

France have won more battles than any other country on earth, shortly followed by the UK only 10 battles behind. The 3rd country is the US who is hundreds behind both, 272 battles behind the UK and 282 battles behind France. France and the UK are in a complete league of their own compared to any other nation on earth when it comes to winning battles.

@turnermd1302 Ай бұрын

@@Blaidd7542 Maybe hundreds of years ago, neither country could stand their own in a near-peer conflict in the modern era, the UK's own government has openly stated this

@Immopimmo 22 күн бұрын

The better question is why I've suddenly gone deaf in my left ear.

@ola_ola._. 20 күн бұрын

what

@BC-wj8fx 28 күн бұрын

Also remember that on some 3 round burst weapons they reset if you let off the trigger mid-burst, and others do not reset but continue with the remainder of the burst. Plus it's the first shot that is most likely to hit, so even the last single shot is nearly as good as a burst.

@ianfan1420 23 күн бұрын

It was so incredibly useful they used STANAG curved 30 round mags with the very next variant of the gun. It's way more likely this was done to notify the user of his magazine being almost empty.

@_Scipio__Africanus_ 23 күн бұрын

Clearly dont watch Ian if you think that, lmao

@Inflorescensse Ай бұрын

Bad triggers are extremely hard to get reliable bursts with. But for example. Modern AR triggers are very easy to be consistent double or triple.

@winnchester95 29 күн бұрын

Galil: yes but I have 35 round mags.

@theuniversaleclipse2305 26 күн бұрын

Part of the reason why I also think it has a 3 round burst is because of that insane French crackhead fire rate. 1100 rpm is pretty insane for a main issue rifle. You need to be able to do accurate bursts of fire, which may be more difficult with the fire rate, so it'd make sense to have a burst fire mode.

@josephjoseph4938 23 күн бұрын

Some soldiers don't load their mags to the brim so the spring tension is more reliable.

@Aware_of_myshelf 24 күн бұрын

Also, good thing it comes with that socket wrench too..

@_Scipio__Africanus_ 24 күн бұрын

Whoa the King of Akron himself in my comments???

@Aware_of_myshelf 24 күн бұрын

@@_Scipio__Africanus_ that’s right VITCH!!!! it’s been 7 yearssss. Now leave me, my friends and my family ALONE!!!

@gerbloosh4858 3 күн бұрын

Logistics>effectiveness in war

@Divadtube 26 күн бұрын

Loved the Fa-mas since Metal Gear Solid, great gun. Want one.

@BrettPlaysWithGuns Ай бұрын

Dude I'm a weapons expert for a living, I've replaced and worked on thousands and thousands of government issue mags. And I didn't know this! You're awesome, keep it up

@jiffyjefferson Ай бұрын

"1 bang means it's time to reload" is a pretty good indicator, too.

@tonyattardo9350 29 күн бұрын

Idk why but I’ve always loved the Famas. There’s something classy kind of art deco about it.

@garrysanderson5793 Ай бұрын

It makes your finals burst distinctive also. *BOOM* *CLICK* *CLOCK* If youve fired one then you know how handy it actually would be. Not just for you but also comrades

@jimmyyy309 Ай бұрын

i identify as a 25 round magazine

@gr8990 24 күн бұрын

When you have 5 round stripper clips and a 3 round burst... It's a fantastic little rifle tho.

@helveticarms 26 күн бұрын

The last burst would only be a single shot, which would be a good way to get a shot off but also let you know you are out of ammo. Since the rifle doesn't have a last round bolt hold open feature. Not sure this was the original intent but it would be useful.

@notoriousshizzane2696 9 күн бұрын

Burt fire was made for conscripted soldiers. M16s were full auto day one. Wasn't till bill who got drafted from Arkansas and mag dumped 200 rounds in 3 minutes did they realize that maybe slowing fire rate is a good idea

@5ifty_cow997 18 күн бұрын

Thought it was bc the first run didnt have the burst feature but they (i think the army is 'they') wanted the burst feature so they added it but kept the smae 25rd mags. The theory is that the burst shoots the 3 bullets so fast that it would only feel like you pulled the trigger 1 time, leading to getting more bullets where you wanted them faster and more accurately

@markwright760 29 күн бұрын

I load all my mags with minus 1 round, that way the weapon accepts the mag much better, less pressure on the spring, and if I load one ready into the chamber then I'm right back to 30 rounds total. The first round in the mag seems like it's more likely to cause a malfunction due to the extra pressure, so I just go ahead and eliminate that altogether.

@TheRealCaptainFreedom 21 күн бұрын

Three-round burst is for people who are somewhat less than expert marksmen. So for frontline grunts, it absolutely works.

@pinkliongaming8769 Ай бұрын

People saying that the unfinished burst would let you know when to reload but wouldn't a full burst letting you know that you always have at least one more shot be more important?

@dereinzigwahreRichi 26 күн бұрын

Ah, is that why the G3 chambered in 7,62mm had a straight 20 round mag? They're also quite heavy and we usually only had 90 rounds in 3 mags issued in total.

@jarebread Ай бұрын

I heard another reason for this is to let the shooter know when their magazine is empty, since the final burst would only shoot 2 rounds.

@_Scipio__Africanus_ Ай бұрын

Burst was an afterthought that wasnt around when the mag was designed

@mattcomchoc2957 29 күн бұрын

Mag round count likely doesn't matter, I believe the FAMAS has the same burst system as the M16 family, where there is a cam with 3 pawls/teeth. It maintains it's position such that the last time burst was used, if there was one tooth left, no matter how many rounds have been fired in between, when you pull the trigger on burst the next time, you will get a single round, then a 3 rd, throwing off your count. Basically unless you manually go through a procedure to dry fire and reset the burst cam every time, you really don't know what that first trigger pull is gonna be... 1,2,3rds could come out.

@dariusdafigga 29 күн бұрын

An even better question is why did it go from a three round burst in MW2 to fully auto in BO1

@smithyMcjoe 28 күн бұрын

I always put it down to the French being unable to count...

@rustyshackleford1697 Ай бұрын

Could be a misconception but an odd number of rounds would make it so the last "burst" fired would only be a single shot so it would be easier to tell your mag was empty.

@timo4463 Ай бұрын

but you dont shoot bursts thats just for traning

@Ouroboros63 29 күн бұрын

I thought my headphones disconnected but your video just has it playing in my right ear for some reason

@jrobertoppenheimer1945 Ай бұрын

okay but why was there a rachet on the first gun 😭😭

@stevegrim9662 29 күн бұрын

What a side profile, always thought the FAMAS was pretty.

@bmouch1018 28 күн бұрын

Also because they decided on the burst feature *after* they settled on a 25 round mag.

@boc_boc_mlatchi7441 13 күн бұрын

also i think the french military considered mag lenght when prone due to the gun's ergonomics but i may be lying here

@mrdyvig 15 күн бұрын

Are you sure it isn't so the soldiers can audibly hear when they're out of ammo. In the fog of war?

@ArtOfRuin981 Ай бұрын

That bullet setback on the 5.56 stripper is worth investigating 😮😮

@dtester Ай бұрын

They were probably "F**k it, what ever" but in French.

@jamessandifer3405 29 күн бұрын

Actually the slightly curved magazine ar15 is a 30 round. But the suggested max load is 29 rounds.

@patdaly4107 29 күн бұрын

Okay just to set the record straight The M16 short mag was 20 rounds not 25 It was never used as a combat magazine it was only used for training However a few of them did see their way into Vietnam for police work as well as some house to house fighting But was never actually intended to be used in combat

@FrankFernandez-wi4sq 19 күн бұрын

That shit was insane when BF3 first came out

@toxico1152 27 күн бұрын

People don’t understand that 3 round burst will still fire 1 or 2 if that’s all that’s left

@TimeMaster0 29 күн бұрын

I’m not as familiar with the FAMAS as I am with AR platforms but there could also be the reason of after 8 bursts you could reload and avoid locking your bolt making your reloads just a bit faster.

@Evictiorama 29 күн бұрын

I think that's just a coincidence because after your first reload you'll have 25+1

@Sosorasoul Ай бұрын

I remember hearing the real reason was that the three-round burst came much later into the conception of the FAMAS, so they kept the mag design as is.

@mrstronk Ай бұрын

They honestly could've modernised the Famas and configured the magwell into having AR mags and it would literally still hold up with modern technology. Hell yk the Austrians did that with the Aug, russians did it with the AK and americans did it with the AR15 platform

@eddiek2497 Ай бұрын

24 is a number that exists. It’s one less than 25 as well as it being divisible by 3.

@robertdevito5001 Ай бұрын

If you’re using burst, you fire 24 rounds in 8 3 round bursts. If you weren’t counting you’ll pull the trigger and get 1 shot, which tells you you’re out. It’s a lot better to get 1 shot telling you you’re out rather than a click telling you you’re out because that 1 shot might be all you need, the click will never be all you need.

@sheeringobject 17 күн бұрын

They dony know maths, Make IT 24

@radical026 Ай бұрын

25s were not for the M16A1, it was a developmental magazine never adopted or tested in the field, unlike for example the SAWS test 30 rounders that made it in country in Vietnam with XM16E1s that led to the 30 round STANAG mag we know today

@veryhappyturtle Ай бұрын

The 4 30 round mags contain 20 more rounds. The storage space required per mag is pretty much the same if you were to put a 5th famas mag there to make the round counts equal. You'd probably also need an extra pouch on combat kit to fit the 5th mag.

@_Scipio__Africanus_ Ай бұрын

Im talking about boxing the magazines for transit/storage. Nothing to do with how they fit on the person. Sidenote when you also consider they were planning on the magazines being disposable it makes even more sense

@cjhodgman3508 Ай бұрын

It's also because you could see that the last burst was shorter than the others and know to reload

@Namkify Ай бұрын

Noone gonna mention how convenient it is for your gun to tell you that its empty?

@josephmontanaro2350 Ай бұрын

The burst is ideal to control ammo use (thing has like 1200 RPM) and in a way when you get that final 2 round burst you know yohr empty, also if you top off before empty the 1 in rhe chamber gives you a divisor that works evenly