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@InquisitorThomas
@InquisitorThomas 10 ай бұрын
I feel like something’s gone horrifically wrong when a genre called “Fantasy” is all about painting within the lines and focusing solely on emulating a few old works.
@grimjoker5572
@grimjoker5572 10 ай бұрын
I feel like something's gone horrifically wrong when a genre called "Fantasy" is full of people who can't come up with new words or terms for new things and so instead keep trying to call new things by the words and terms used to describe old things. If you're not going to make a dragon, why call it a dragon instead of a Diddydowappaloo (or perhaps something less whimsical.)
@Envy_May
@Envy_May 10 ай бұрын
​@@grimjoker5572 but also, coming up with a new word for something is a choice just as using an old word is, and neither option is inherently better than the other but are used to different effects and it wouldn't be reasonable not to acknowledge that using an existing word can be the better choice depending on the intent of the work - besides, the word "dragon" wasn't invented by dnd, historically and mythologically the word "dragon" is more of a thematic idea than a species classification
@grimjoker5572
@grimjoker5572 10 ай бұрын
@@Envy_May Correct, dragon is more of a theme but that theme has certain rules. There is no reason to misuse an old word for something new unless you are trying to invoke the image of that old thing. For example; calling an aircraft a "raptor" invokes the image of something which swoops down and attacks its prey. Why? Because raptors are birds of prey. In this sense using an old word makes sense yet only if that old meaning exists in your setting. So calling something which is not a dragon and in no way meets the themes of a dragon yet in a world that has dragons as part of their culture, an entity which plays that role might be given the title of "dragon." Again; otherwise what is the point of using a word if you only intent to render the use of that word pointless? Words only exist to convey data from one organic storage device to another. Misusing words disrupts this process.
@Envy_May
@Envy_May 10 ай бұрын
@@grimjoker5572 i don't really think there's any such thing as "misusing" a word when it comes to art, unless you're failing at something you were explicitly intending to do, like if you're specifically trying to communicate a certain thing but fail to do so to most of your audience. but either way the "process" in question isn't especially rigid to begin with and attempts to prescriptively enforce such a thing are just misguided i feel - if anything "disruption" should be _part_ of the process that people know how to navigate rather than constantly try to control for
@grimjoker5572
@grimjoker5572 10 ай бұрын
@@Envy_May _"i don't really think there's any such thing as "misusing" a word when it comes to art"_ Red. A splash across the yellow. A cheer from the crowd. The smell of iron. The thumping of the drum; deep within the chest. Exhilaration. The Gladiator stands triumphant. In that I have invoked imagery dependent on common understanding and association. Red is blood, obviously. Yellow is sand, etc. You know what a gladiator is. You know what he is doing. You know why he smells iron. Now what if I told you that in *MY* world this is a little bunny painting a picture of the run rising up in the sky? Gladiator is a word for bunny. The sun is red. The sky is yellow. Crowd means tractor. Cheering means running. Drums are just what they call turnips. Words have meaning and it is playing with those meanings that create art in the written form. This extends to what you name something. If I name something a gladiator it invokes certain impressions thus I should only name something a gladiator if I want to invoke those impressions. This can be useful in some pieces of art, such as calling your hero Butcher, yet only because you are playing with the meaning of the word; not completely disregarding it.
@jademonass2954
@jademonass2954 10 ай бұрын
In my optinion, dragons is a HUGELY broad term things like drakes, wyverns, wyrms, cockatices, etc. will all kind of fall under the dragon umbrella designs like dutch angel dragons shows that dragons can be depicted as fluffy, and so many more details can exist on them
@dazzledoodle
@dazzledoodle 10 ай бұрын
I'm doing Smaugust and I've done a gecko, a manticore, a whale and a dog
@Camo_4075
@Camo_4075 10 ай бұрын
If you really think about it, all of those examples you just listed are actually types of dragons in certain media. So… yeah
@zorlord7507
@zorlord7507 10 ай бұрын
Yeah, one of my favorite dragons are the Japanese and Chinese dragons because how much different from the dragons you grow up learning. Whiskers, fur, a really long body, no wings, and an animal like nose. And then theirs my favorite pokemon Appletun.
@octologue3206
@octologue3206 10 ай бұрын
I recommend the video of overly sarcastic production on the subject, it explains the subject very well.
@MasterRomboidal
@MasterRomboidal 10 ай бұрын
Dragon designs can be anything! An Apple, a bird, a robot, etc... You only must be a creative person to create a great dragon design
@moonshadow1795
@moonshadow1795 10 ай бұрын
I always take "dragon" as like an overarching "family" name. A Dragon is a dragon, A wyvern is a dragon, but dragon isn't a wyvern.
@crowdemon_archives
@crowdemon_archives 10 ай бұрын
It's like the deal with "square vs rectangle" lol
@haazimmalik1133
@haazimmalik1133 9 ай бұрын
still not a dragon
@Daeneiracorn
@Daeneiracorn 9 ай бұрын
​@@haazimmalik1133dragons don't even exist (and if they did they don't anymore) its like saying a chicken isn't a dinosaur. Cuz it is. Just cuz it looks different doesn't mean it still isn't a dinosaur
@thegreatgoobert5847
@thegreatgoobert5847 9 ай бұрын
​@@haazimmalik1133that's not a dog thats a golden retriever!
@kitosanimations
@kitosanimations 9 ай бұрын
@@crowdemon_archives'that's not a quadrilateral that's a square' .excuse me
@TheDustyMuffinsss
@TheDustyMuffinsss 8 ай бұрын
I remember a kid who used to draw dragons everyday. He was picked on VISCOUSLY when others found his art. Even the teachers made fun of him. What a world.
@chonflis3834
@chonflis3834 8 ай бұрын
Literally on what basis?? Mfs
@octologue3206
@octologue3206 5 ай бұрын
Same thing happened to me, when I was younger and even sometimes now. I was drawing lots of dragons and monster in general, and people asked me "why don't you draw people? This is dumb".
@chonflis3834
@chonflis3834 5 ай бұрын
@@octologue3206 as someone who exclusively draws bugs, I get it (Humanoids come out fine, just humans specifically for whatever reason?)
@ProtectorKelvin
@ProtectorKelvin 3 ай бұрын
Same here. Except for me it was fantasy character design I remember my classmate stealing my draft of an orc and showing it to the teacher. The teacher actually yelled at me and said that I was drawing Humongosaur(from Ben 10) and everyone in my class started calling me that
@dv9239
@dv9239 3 ай бұрын
I hope he doesn't start ww3
@Jack-sy8mr
@Jack-sy8mr 10 ай бұрын
For the Light and Darkness Dragon, having the wings unfurled and pointed up like they’re being shown off and intimidating whatever they’re facing could draw a sharper contrast between the light and dark and create a sort of partial lunar eclipse silhouette🌓
@fluffy14sweet
@fluffy14sweet 10 ай бұрын
Found the Yu-Gi-Oh fan. No judgement.
@annoyingfandragon
@annoyingfandragon 10 ай бұрын
The feathers on the light wing might look a bit like rays of light then!
@devastatheseeker9967
@devastatheseeker9967 10 ай бұрын
Dragons are entirely different in plenty of cultures. Some dragons have no wings, some have more than 2, some don't breathe fire, some have wings that turn into arms (or feet?).
@Whitewing89
@Whitewing89 10 ай бұрын
To be fair, Europeans did just slap the term dragon onto anything mythical with scails, wings, or the ability of flight. I doubt the term should be applied as widely as it is. The Europeans were viewing things under a European lens of understanding and I doubt any of them cared about the cultural nuance of the "savages."
@devastatheseeker9967
@devastatheseeker9967 10 ай бұрын
@@Whitewing89 the term should be applied widely. Lizards capable of flight = Dragons
@hamdepaf6686
@hamdepaf6686 10 ай бұрын
@@Whitewing89 that is not really true, the concept of dragons is a very old concept, used throughout many cultures, while defnetly being related to each other.
@paracuna
@paracuna 10 ай бұрын
​@@devastatheseeker9967Not true, drakes are also classified as dragons and so are Wyrms, so a dragon is a creature with some form of reptilian features and needs to have a reptilian head.
@devastatheseeker9967
@devastatheseeker9967 10 ай бұрын
@@paracuna how are drakes and wyverns not lizards?
@zzodysseuszz
@zzodysseuszz 10 ай бұрын
0:46 the fast editing here is funny as fuck. The instantaneous “that’s not a dragon” followed by “they love me” is a funny transition
@giulyanoviniciussanssilva2947
@giulyanoviniciussanssilva2947 10 ай бұрын
You can't go wrong with a Toby meme 🍷 🗿
@maycontainnuts3127
@maycontainnuts3127 10 ай бұрын
it really helps to make it funny when you explain the joke
@astick5249
@astick5249 10 ай бұрын
@@maycontainnuts3127 Now from what we learned from the video, is this proper art critique?
@baksoBoy
@baksoBoy 9 ай бұрын
@@maycontainnuts3127 so you are saying that they aren't allowed to properly critique the video, and share their thoughts?
@grimjoker5572
@grimjoker5572 9 ай бұрын
@@astick5249 Something the video didn't address; not everybody is a critique trying to provide a well structured argument. Some people are just sharing their opinions. I wish this person would share their opinions less on certain issues but on this one they are benign.
@holliegould3463
@holliegould3463 9 ай бұрын
let it be known that "the kid who draws dragons" was usually one of the coolest kids to be friends with *because* of their proficiency in draconic lore xD
@DarkstarCarno21
@DarkstarCarno21 4 ай бұрын
I was one of these kids lol
@MasterRomboidal
@MasterRomboidal 10 ай бұрын
that's the price of being famous, people are waiting you draw their ideas, not your own creations. Sadly, but you can ignore them too.
@RavenLunatic517
@RavenLunatic517 10 ай бұрын
Well said! You hit the nail right on the head!
@mason62100
@mason62100 10 ай бұрын
I do feel like the comment is not really inline with what he’s saying. I think he understands that people just want their ideas to happen. I think he’s simply trying to encourage people to have better commentary. He’s aware that the comments will still happen, but some people might actually learn from what he’s saying and offer constructive criticism.
@MasterRomboidal
@MasterRomboidal 10 ай бұрын
@@mason62100 this guy it's making a gentle tantrum because random people said their dragon doesn't look like the generic ones all we know.
@meeandersons2373
@meeandersons2373 10 ай бұрын
@@MasterRomboidal​​⁠”a gentle tantrum” grow up, he’s a creator who tries to push himself out of his own comfort zone and try new things. Artists everywhere expect critique, because everyone has an opinion…. did you watch the video with the sound off?? also dragons aren’t real🫡
@brolylook
@brolylook 10 ай бұрын
@@MasterRomboidalhe is entitled to the way he is acting. Nothing done wrong. It’s the people he’s talking about who are wrong.
@lyanbs4770
@lyanbs4770 10 ай бұрын
I honestly LOVE the differences you made between light and dark in the dragon, like the “light wing” being more angelic and the “dark wing” more demonic looking. Thought, I do think the intent of the piece gets a bit lost between the details, maybe a more “forward facing” pose could make it easier to see the center where light and dark colide. Either that or maybe by altering the color of the “crystals” in the dragons chest you could emphasize the light-dark aspect a bit more, mainly because the red can be associated with the “demonic” aspect of darkness and somewhat causes it to look like darkness is “slightly more dominant”, maybe the “gems” being half red and half blue-ish could help hopefully.
@table2.0
@table2.0 10 ай бұрын
I agree having seen the final art, the design is badass but the light side gets heavily obscured and almost looks out of place with the majority of the dark side facing the camera. Not knowing where it begins almost makes it look out of place and nonsensical, especially when the head and chest seem majority black and lava-y, it’s hard to imagine it at a different angle
@_-drowsy-_
@_-drowsy-_ 10 ай бұрын
Mh, I didn’t think of that, good eye! The red crystals are actually amber though, so it has to be kind of reddish, but I agree, it does made the other side look more dominant
@Eevneon
@Eevneon 10 ай бұрын
Wow I just read this after my critique and 8 totally agree. The dark part probably feels more dominant because of the fact that the light part looks translucent which makes it almost fade into the background.
@solareclipse1468
@solareclipse1468 10 ай бұрын
I think the idea of the orange crystals was to suggest that the dragon was an Amber dragon at one point! So maybe instead he could lighted the shade of orange? Add some yellow highlights as well may work. Also maybe he could make the dragons face softer as a contrast (maybe idk).
@solareclipse1468
@solareclipse1468 10 ай бұрын
But it somehow looks a little like the dark side more dominant, so I totally get everyone’s points of view
@lachillea
@lachillea 10 ай бұрын
honestly, stopping artists from flexing their creativity and forcing them into a box goes against the whole point of art. For any beginner artists out there, please don’t let others opinions direct your imagination. Its always important to learn from others and use their advise to improve your technical skills, but if people tell you your dragon isn’t “dragon enough”, then ignore them. Your creation is beautiful the way it is ❤
@blizzard_the_seal9863
@blizzard_the_seal9863 10 ай бұрын
if ppl say it’s “not a dragon” ur doing it right. and either way GO WEIRDER BE CREATIVE YIPPEE
@mrosskne
@mrosskne 10 ай бұрын
Why do you think this has anything to do with creativity? The purpose of words is to differentiate between different things. If we call every creature a dragon, there's no point in the word existing; you might as well just say "creature".
@Marlin-xq7ok
@Marlin-xq7ok 10 ай бұрын
​@@mrosskne Dragons in Mythology (usually European) have their hands in their wings, and the majority of media representing dragons always have the arms separated from the wings. I don't see the point of complaining and telling off someone that "It doesn't look like a dragon" 🤷🏻
@mrosskne
@mrosskne 10 ай бұрын
@@Marlin-xq7ok The point is that if people don't think it's a dragon, it isn't.
@rogueobscura
@rogueobscura 10 ай бұрын
​@@mrosskne There will always be a general idea of a 'typical dragon' in the cultural mind, people having creatures that intentionally escape that idea don't ruin the 'standard' look everyone has. Fantasy creatures are archetypes with various interpretations that are seen as equally valid. Dragons in mythology can already vary from being flying snakes to giant lizards, in the same way it's seen as equally valid to have a werewolf be someone who shapeshifts into an actual wolf or into a part-wolf-part-person fusion.
@binmanugg8029
@binmanugg8029 10 ай бұрын
"That is a bad dragon" - 🤓 "That is a bad-dragon" - 😳
@CharacterDesignForge
@CharacterDesignForge 10 ай бұрын
I sincerely hope any of the folks that do this have the patience and introspection to watch and internalize it. But sadly often, they are 12 years old. (Which is helpful on our end to rationalize where it's coming from 😉) The ability to critique well is INDEED a rare thing especially online, good on you for talking about it!
@shadowthephoenix1
@shadowthephoenix1 10 ай бұрын
As someone who used to doodle dragons ALL the time, the "kid who draws dragons" thing resonated with me LOL. Dragons are just very fun to draw imo, especially since as others have said, you can be so creative with them.
@yourhorseyepona7309
@yourhorseyepona7309 10 ай бұрын
Same, dragons were one of my favorite creatures to draw. I'm surprised no one called me that!😅😊
@grungycat767
@grungycat767 10 ай бұрын
Me as well!!!! I'm so happy there's other people as obsessed with drawing dragons as I am!!!
@yourhorseyepona7309
@yourhorseyepona7309 10 ай бұрын
@grungycat767 Dragon club! Dragon club!
@axuwu6939
@axuwu6939 10 ай бұрын
@@yourhorseyepona7309 I need a membership to the dragon club!! As someone with dragons as at least 70% of my personality, it’s making me so happy to see how many dragon nerds are being gathered by this video lol
@bookdragon369
@bookdragon369 10 ай бұрын
I was considered that kid while in middle and high school. I still have the sketchbook filled with my old dragon drawings. Such fond memories.
@Foxxive
@Foxxive 10 ай бұрын
I sometimes feel like a lot of people forget that Art is a VERY subjective thing
@assortmentofpillsbutneverb3756
@assortmentofpillsbutneverb3756 9 ай бұрын
It is and it isn't though. We use classifications such as motifs, themes, and names to enhance our ability to make art. All of art is an argument of try to get the idea and emotion in your body expressed to other people. Without shared forms we'd basically be speaking in foriegn languages to each other with art. That said people definitely can be too restrictive and interpretations of the argument (art) are subjective.
@timexyemerald6290
@timexyemerald6290 8 ай бұрын
There is a limit to art being subjective. If you draw a giant octopuse with 9 different animal heads and one head happens to be dragon head and then call it a dragon. That ain't a dragon. That artist may try and convince everybody that what he/she drawn is a dragon but that is way past the limite of being a dragon. So is drawing a sheep that can fly and call it a dragon. There is a limit to having creative liberty because in wider majority. All they see is a monster abomination and a sheep that has wings and can fly
@fantalone666
@fantalone666 8 ай бұрын
@@timexyemerald6290 What if you draw a Komodo Dragon but without the Komodo and make it a Sheep Dragon though?
@vandehn
@vandehn 8 ай бұрын
@@timexyemerald6290no art is very subjective, I could splash paint on the ground and if I see a resemblance of a dragon in there it’s a dragon to me, regardless if the rest of the world doesn’t and thinks I’m crazy. That’s the meaning of subjectivity. There are no rules if you just want to do something that you enjoy. Of course most artists also want others to see the vision they have, but that is an external motive not inherent to art.
@thelemon5069
@thelemon5069 8 ай бұрын
​@@assortmentofpillsbutneverb3756beauty is found within the minds of those who contemplate it
@BeastlyBrand
@BeastlyBrand 10 ай бұрын
Honestly, before your explanation at the end, i saw the Light & Darkness dragon as a Fire & Ice dragon. Both work, but I feel The Darkness side looks a bit more like fire, especially in the horn. I personally feel a warped horn would give off more of a Dark Corruption feel than what you drew, but either way it's an amazing art piece! (i know my criticism isn't perfect, but trust me when I say I see what you went for, and you certainly nailed it!)
@NO122221
@NO122221 8 ай бұрын
Same here. Even the light side is way too blue, so looks more like an "ice", than "light" - I'd rather expect it to have very bright tones of gold/yellow or to have a prismatic look. Angelic looking wing is the right choice though. Also, purple corruption feels a bit boring
@jephteesesa6180
@jephteesesa6180 10 ай бұрын
Honestly I think what I love about dragons is the fact that they can be almost anything from a lizard with wings to a maybe a monkey that looks a bit draconic
@doohickeyhandy758
@doohickeyhandy758 10 ай бұрын
or a human or even a literal snake (hell, even a slug kinda dragon). Plus you could always seamlessly tie any of them together however you like using either your own interpretations, orrrr the centuries worth of different cultures versions of dragons.
@williansnobre
@williansnobre 10 ай бұрын
There is an hypothesis that dragons are a mixture of the creatures that were our predators, so they evoke a feeling of awe and dread. Snakes, birds, beasts, crocodiles, big lizards, other humanoids and if you consider the possibility of inherited genetic instinctual fear even dinosaurs could be part of the mix because mammals were under dinosaur's draconic rule for millions of years. All of that mixed up forms the vague idea of what a dragon is or can be. So a dragon can be any, most, all or more than these things combined.
@doohickeyhandy758
@doohickeyhandy758 10 ай бұрын
@@williansnobre flying thunder bear dragon.
@childeofepickness
@childeofepickness 10 ай бұрын
@@doohickeyhandy758HECK YEAH 🔥🔥🔥
@soulplayrt463
@soulplayrt463 10 ай бұрын
That's the key point *looks draconic* if something other then a dragon fits more, it's not a dragon, most humanoid drakes could be closer to demons then dragon people and the further you skew the line of what a dragon is the more we end up with what mk thinks is a dragon human.. a 4 armed naked bear man.. is not a dragon. Especially when its counterpart isnt but is just also part tiger. they are dragon infused creatures or beings not dragons, charizard is a dragon because of its draconic traits despite not being initially classified as a dragon, the very being of what a dragon is is very simple, does it look like a dragon based on what dragons look like and are depicted as, it's not an official titte it is Purley based on that.
@crackedemerald4930
@crackedemerald4930 10 ай бұрын
Things are just called are what people call them. "Bug" have a specific meaning for entomologists, it's a specific group of insects. But basically all English speakers call a lot of different invertebrates "bugs".
@hipkiddo1252
@hipkiddo1252 10 ай бұрын
Like when people call gorillas, chimps, orangutans, bonobos, and gibbons "monkeys". Even though theyre not monkeys. Theyre apes. I dont think anyone actually cares in that sense and they get what you mean.
@thelordz33
@thelordz33 10 ай бұрын
But if I call, say, a cat a bug, you would still say I am wrong because there is a commonly agreed upon definition of the word. The scientific definition mostly doesn't matter in normal use because words are defined by their common use and not what one group of people say they should mean.
@mimesforcrimes8393
@mimesforcrimes8393 10 ай бұрын
Look if i'm at a chip shop and suddenly get a centipede hissing at me, i'm gonna call that a scary bugger. I'm not calling it Centruriessus Mechapolis, its 'Scary Bug'.
@crackedemerald4930
@crackedemerald4930 10 ай бұрын
@@mimesforcrimes8393 that's the owner you fool
@ohcadin6590
@ohcadin6590 10 ай бұрын
@thelordz33 Well, I mean, yeah... you wouldn't call a unicorn a dragon now, would you? Same as how you wouldn't call a cat a bug. The point isn't that you can call anything a dragon, but as long as it gives you dragon "vibes." Kinda like how a spider or a centipede has those buggy like "vibes." The point isn't that you can call anything a dragon it's that people tend to use the very specific term for dragon to gate keep what a dragon can or cannot be!
@emhetnacinhoj2376
@emhetnacinhoj2376 10 ай бұрын
People these days seem to WANT to be unhappy, to find SOMETHING to be upset about instead of just being happy. I don’t get it, but it’s something we have to deal with in this age. You’re work is amazing my friend. Let the haters hate.
@boxboxer4183
@boxboxer4183 10 ай бұрын
They’re in their own hell, unhappy and always negative they see someone or something being happy or positive, they want to destroy. They want us to be like them being miserable and hating things
@sammyhorace7523
@sammyhorace7523 9 ай бұрын
People are just never satisfy
@vincentdreemurr
@vincentdreemurr 8 ай бұрын
they should rip off the page of their story where it continues
@AllTheOthers
@AllTheOthers 8 ай бұрын
People these days seem to want to destroy history by calling everything a dragon when it has its own mythological and cultural linguistic terminology. Almost like when translating words that don't have alternatives we grasp at the closest concept, and now that has brainwashed a generation into thinking its okay to call every winged lizard under the sun a dragon.
@ehhanz8118
@ehhanz8118 8 ай бұрын
To me at least, Its best to think that those people online might be just miserable IRL so they cant really find things fun easily and just want to make others feel as bad as them too
@wheatart4274
@wheatart4274 10 ай бұрын
It's so important to also make sure you're only giving critique if someone is asking for it, and make sure that you're helping the artist realize THEIR vision, not yours
@paradoxtatorstudios9681
@paradoxtatorstudios9681 9 ай бұрын
THIS i had an online friend criticize one of the designs of my characters, i was caught between appreciation of getting actual feedback other then "thats cool", and disappointed in their advice--because this friend had a very different style and values in character design then me, and i didn't feel it helped much, no shade to them tho.
@douglysium9770
@douglysium9770 9 ай бұрын
Also, make sure you're not just throwing every little mistake you spot at them and focus on critiques they're actually interested in. If someone is asking you for tips about anatomy don't overwhelm them with every art concept under the sun.
@mkdoz
@mkdoz 8 ай бұрын
Also remember sometimes nobody cares if you asked and you have free speech to give criticism if you want to uwu
@wheatart4274
@wheatart4274 8 ай бұрын
An attitude like that will foster bad feelings though. You may have free speech, but the artist has the right to completely disregard those comments and even block if you don't respect their wishes. @@mkdoz
@mkdoz
@mkdoz 8 ай бұрын
@@wheatart4274 I don’t have bad feelings I’m fine, and I don’t care if an ignorant artist blocks me I have actual things to care about other then whether or not they like my criticisms. If you can’t take criticism then you won’t grow.
@barklols
@barklols 10 ай бұрын
I think part of the reason there’s a lot of unconstructed criticism in the art world is that those comments either come from people who aren’t artists or are relatively inexperienced with art. As for your dragon, I LOVE the colors! Though the arm on the corrupted side sort of blends in with the inside of the wing and makes it a little hard to read.
@BrookeA12
@BrookeA12 10 ай бұрын
agreed!
@nightmare3711
@nightmare3711 10 ай бұрын
I agree. I think part of is that the right arm appears to be smaller than the left. I'm unsure if that's a purposeful asymmetry or if they're supposed to be more equal.
@nafereuskortex9055
@nafereuskortex9055 10 ай бұрын
Yes, Its part of the reason they give the criticism in the first place, they don't know the artist will look at it or even think about it but when drawing and looking to improve you look for comments about your art and what you should keep doing or stop doing or focus on next time but if you don't draw regularly and see something you don't like you aren't gonna think about that.
@trashrat8365
@trashrat8365 10 ай бұрын
Sure, I like to give types of dragons my own unique terms like they're a species. But I LOVE it when the term dragon is given to beasts that may loosely, or not even fully meet the "standards" of what the normal joe would consider to be a dragon. It keeps the legend alive on a fundamental level, and I love it when people try different things.
@shadowcharizard4592
@shadowcharizard4592 10 ай бұрын
monster hunter out here calling a massive lion a wyvern is the kinda thing im here for
@mrosskne
@mrosskne 10 ай бұрын
If any creature can be called dragon, what is the point of the word? It doesn't specify anything.
@userequaltoNull
@userequaltoNull 10 ай бұрын
@@mrosskne yeah, it's stupid. "Anything can be anything" is a great way to end up with "nothing means anything"
@rainbowsnek
@rainbowsnek 10 ай бұрын
@@mrosskne stop thinking "dragon" references a specific physical animal and you'll stop being confused.
@athos9293
@athos9293 10 ай бұрын
Monster Hunter out here calling a massive floating plant octopus with human teeth a dragon is the kinda thing i'm here for
@Emperor-Quill
@Emperor-Quill 10 ай бұрын
I love how you communicated the amber of the dragon's original form. One thing I notice is that the "Light" and "Dark" look more like an armor from different dragons, rather than an organic, invasive growth on the original. The thing that, in my eyes, causes this interpretation, is the way the shoulders look like pauldrons layered on top of the amber dragon, rather than blending into it's body, as the lore would suggest.
@astick5249
@astick5249 10 ай бұрын
I wonder if what it would look like if he used the theme of preservation that amber is known for. What if we have the 2 energies almost contained within the dragon.
@AngryDraconequus1
@AngryDraconequus1 8 ай бұрын
I have only ever seen toxicity and even bullying towards artists in the SFW art community I have heard numerous horror stories of their awful experiences with toxic people. It's interesting, but for the most part the NSFW art community (especially of the furry variety) is the exact opposite of this - it's the most welcoming, supportive community with so much less toxicity and drama than on the SFW side. Recently I've heard of the artist Mauzymice that got bullied when one of her artworks has become a meme. People took her characters and added captions saying 'you like kissing boys don't you?' - and it has become a very popular reaction image and got a multitude of different versions. However Mauzymice had nothing to do with the meme and yet she got bullied and doxxed for it and she had to delete her youtube channel and lock her twitter account. Hell even if she did make the meme it was just cute and innocent but I guess the SFW community is just not ready for such lewd expressions as 'kissing boys'.
@tehgretwaffl
@tehgretwaffl 10 ай бұрын
A similar topic that gets on my nerves is the recent trend of taking art techniques or styles (like shading with a certain colour or doing lineart a certain way) and calling it wrong or a "bad way to do it" (specifically I've seen "shading with purple is always bad" recently). Everyone has their own style, their own way of drawing that makes them happy, and all this is doing is telling beginner artists to avoid drawing the way they want to and to instead appeal to whatever the internet think is "the best".
@lunarcat3283
@lunarcat3283 10 ай бұрын
Wuh? how have people associated purple shading as bad? Is it okay to ask?
@tehgretwaffl
@tehgretwaffl 10 ай бұрын
@lunarcat3283 They dont usually explain. It's basically just people on Instagram saying its wrong because they said so without giving any sort of tips aside from "dont do this"
@lunarcat3283
@lunarcat3283 10 ай бұрын
@@tehgretwaffl Huh weird must've started from one person with a reason and then just derived into that.
@luxrau
@luxrau 10 ай бұрын
The Light and Darkness Dragon looks wonderful; the distinction between the two sides is very clear and portrayed very well! I love the colors you used for the piece, especially the way the colors seem to originate from the dragon’s “core!” It definitely gives off the impression that this dragon has been corrupted, as you explained in the lore. However, the arm on the darkness side seems to blend into the wing and chest a little bit; I can’t really tell it’s there. Perhaps changing up the posing or the arm’s coloring could help it stand out a little more? I believe that you also said that the light and darkness overcame an Amber Dragon; however, the colors you chose for the main body (the one that has been corrupted) seem to clash with this idea. Amber is a very natural gemstone as it comes from hardened tree resin, but the silvers and grays you went with (while appealing!) give off more of an artificial, mechanical vibe. I’d recommend making the body more of a bronze, dark orange, or gold color to make it seem more natural, like both the color amber and the gemstone, unless of course the iron-esque body was intentional!
@richardderatte6672
@richardderatte6672 10 ай бұрын
Excellently put, I completely agree too. Its visually a very nice looking design, but while I could see "crystal ore coming out of a stony-dragon", it doesn't read "amber", one of the few non-crystal gems.
@MeGustaWHAT
@MeGustaWHAT 10 ай бұрын
I'd recommend keeping criticisms short and sweet, and adding in something you appreciate about the piece somewhere in there where it naturally fits.
@MeGustaWHAT
@MeGustaWHAT 10 ай бұрын
:P
@aderpyaxolotl
@aderpyaxolotl 10 ай бұрын
@@MeGustaWHAT I disagree. The comment you replied to does contain something the commenter appreciates about the piece as well as keeps the critique short. You cannot offer an artist good, in depth critique in one sentence alone. Overall your reply wasn't very helpful. It feels like you are sharing how you personally prefer receiving critique, not trying to give advice on how to give critique in general. Critique isn't supposed to be purely compliments, it's supposed to point out flaws and errors and help an artist improve, while also pointing out areas they have greatly succeeded in. It feels like you have mixed up what critiquing and complimenting is. Art is a craft, and to improve a craft or skill you must acknowledge errors.
@zipcaster
@zipcaster 10 ай бұрын
With the context that this dragon is a Light & Darkness dragon that has corrupted what was previously an amber dragon, I feel that this is a very strong design. The wings, especially, showcase angelic and demonic themes that are extremely clear to a viewer. However, before I had this context, the color composition surrounding the dragon's chest had me a bit confused. The cold blues, warm purples, and fiery oranges actually had me thinking that the dragon was embodying fire and ice. The more muted and pastel colors of the angelic wing are honestly stunning, and I think lighter tones on the "Light" half of the dragon could help with that. My first instinct would have been to use golden colors rather than blues, but the use of blues, purples and pinks on both halves of the dragon really make it feel like one being, so I think sticking closer to that palette is a much stronger choice. Although I love the amber base, like I mentioned before, it conveys "fire" a bit too strongly in my opinion, especially when it is shrunken down onto a card. Specifically, the jagged spikes on its head the small amber spots on its tail, and the amber core peeking through the demonic corruption could convey that a fiery power is coursing through this dragon's body, even if that isn't the intent. For the tail, I would consider changing the details to be more rocky and irregular, with something more bulbous at the end, along the lines of an ankylosaurus. For the head, I would change the spikes to be more rounded at the ends, although maintaining the size of them is important to convey power and fear. For the chest, the main problem I have may be that the amber is sort of blended into both sides through the use of reds. It makes it seem rather hot. Again, I love the wings of each side of the design, and I also really like how the two elements twist together along the end of the tail. My favorite small detail is the jewel on the shoulder of the "Light" side, although I'm a bit lost on how I would approach incorporating it more. I also REALLY like that this dragon has different sized arms, as well as claws on its wings. It really conveys that something already fantastical and powerful has been corrupted into something further supernatural, whether these arms have been modified or completely gained since the original dragon's corruption. That was a lot to type, but also a fun practice! Maybe something from this could be useful to anyone who actually sees this comment.
@octopusoup
@octopusoup 10 ай бұрын
The thing with dragons is that people tend to be attached to specific definitions on what they perceive as "dragons". There always seems to be some argument on whether wyverns quantify as dragons or not. But if you look towards the East where our dragons have no wings, 4 legs, and a serpentine body the strict definition of 4 legs and wings readily falls apart. And that's what I like about unique designs. They don't need to follow the preconceived idea on what something should be. It pushes the boundaries and expands on what can count as a particular creature or object. If people free themselves from the shackles of strict abidance the possibilities become infinite. So keep on making those dragons, Man Who Draws Dragons.
@Camo_4075
@Camo_4075 10 ай бұрын
The first critique I ever got online was, and I quote, “What the in the hell is that supposed to be.” The fun part is how it was a concept sheet depicting its inspirations and nick-pick details… The internet ladies and gentlemen!
@Strattios
@Strattios 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for doing this. I think artists making their own interpretation of creatures is one of the best parts of fantasy.
@mimthyss
@mimthyss 10 ай бұрын
Right?? Creativity is the fun part! Why would people want to knock interesting & unique takes on a well-known idea instead of embracing broad and exciting interpretations?
@alexanderlambert295
@alexanderlambert295 10 ай бұрын
Damn right. There's the classic fantasy that you see everywhere, dwarves are gruff mountain dwellers, elves are elegant forest folk, dragons are fire breathing reptiles with wings, etc. But seeing something truly unique is so much more interesting. Give a dragon arms for wings, make elves live underground, have dwarves fly. It's fantasy, you can do whatever the hell you like.
@ThePinkBlurSonicFan
@ThePinkBlurSonicFan 10 ай бұрын
I agree! 👍
@saudade7842
@saudade7842 10 ай бұрын
I actually drew a dragon like a year ago that I based on a legless lizard
@mrosskne
@mrosskne 10 ай бұрын
@mimthyss No one is "knocking" anything. It doesn't have to be called a particular word to be interesting and creative.
@protoblep6100
@protoblep6100 10 ай бұрын
All wyverns are dragons, but not all dragons are wyverns.
@ThedGrill
@ThedGrill 10 ай бұрын
ohh I love how you draw dragons! Or actually I love all your drawings, they have such high quality. Its also refreshing to see how you transition from sketch to details. As someone who never dared to dive into dragons I am amazed, makes me wanna try again now that I have become stronger with shapes and strukture. :D
@The_Dying_Rose
@The_Dying_Rose 10 ай бұрын
Dragons and wyverns are only really different in certain things. A dragon can really be any shape, a serpent, bipedal, four legged, no arms with just wings and back legs, but in certain things like monster hunter there is a difference. Feels odd that people take rules for specific fantasy worlds and stick them everywhere. In anything else a Rathalos would be a dragon, but in monster hunter it is considered a wyvern. I have loved drawing fantasy ever since I was little, and one day I would like to start a dark fantasy comic series.
@LLewliet-pz6ve
@LLewliet-pz6ve 10 ай бұрын
In asian fantasy stories, dragons can be anything, even a turtle.
@rikospostmodernlife
@rikospostmodernlife 10 ай бұрын
​@@LLewliet-pz6vethen again, in asian culture "dragon" is really any largely serpentine/lacertian chimera rather than the more restricted concept from western fantasy
@thegreatgoldfilms6311
@thegreatgoldfilms6311 8 ай бұрын
I researched the origins of Wyverns and in medieval European heraldry, the Wyvern is half literally a synonym for dragon
@yeahbutthendragons152
@yeahbutthendragons152 10 ай бұрын
As a fellow "the kid who drew Dragons", part of why I always loved them was because I felt like they represented creativity (and my creativity) as a whole. They could be anything
@jakwalter8602
@jakwalter8602 10 ай бұрын
Such a great video! I loved hearing your perspective as a content creator as well as tips for commentors to be better part of your community. I'm enjoying your direction with your channel discussing topics other than only fakemon. I look forward to seeing more videos
@shannonreed822
@shannonreed822 10 ай бұрын
Ohhh I love this video. I actually learned this about 20 years ago thanks to a friend of mine, so having a video I can refer to is SO incredibly helpful! I try to help out newer artists I befriend, or friends who are anxious about starting art, and the ability to give good constructive criticism has gone SUCH a long way for them. I cannot recommend this enough! I think the asking questions part is also SUPER helpful, and a tip I've forgotten, because I find it pretty rude to just go up to a random artist and give criticism without knowing if they're open to it (some people just want to draw things they enjoy after all!) but asking questions can be helpful without simply assuming they're open to critique. And even better: You can learn about the thoughts behind the process if they reply! Which is frankly one of my favourite things about talking to other artists. Thank you for posting this!
@Jormyyy
@Jormyyy 10 ай бұрын
I am a simple person: DRAGON 👇 IS 👇 DRAGON 👇! I love any and all kinds of dragons. Scaly and scary, to fluffy and friendly. Traditional, non-conventional, they're all dragons and they are valid to me. And I especially enjoy Jack's wildly varied takes on dragons. Keep making amazing dragons! Edit: as for a critique of your Light and Darkness dragon; I think the darkness side's arm gets lost in the color scheme and silhouette. I understand it needs to fit on a card but the wings being more open and grand could give more room to the darkness arm. I also think the base of where the tail meets the body is at too sharp of an angle, and should extend further out before wrapping around in front of the character's legs.
@j_murdoch
@j_murdoch 10 ай бұрын
"I also think the base of where the tail meets the body is at too sharp of an angle, and should extend further out before wrapping around in front of the character's legs." My only real critique.
@Dodecahedroknight
@Dodecahedroknight 10 ай бұрын
I really like the color pallet on both sides of the dragon, I think it represents the stereotypical conventions of light and dark very well. However, I feel that by changing the angle of the dragon so that he's facing the center will help convey that duality much better. Also i like the amber in the middle of the dragon showing what the dragon originally was.
@Boyboy-xx3fc
@Boyboy-xx3fc 10 ай бұрын
If it's a flying lizard thing, it's a dragon
@certifiedroastbeefmaniac
@certifiedroastbeefmaniac 8 ай бұрын
About the art you drew throughout the video, I love the attention and thought put behind the biology, little details, how the wing comes directly out of the paw of the wing limb, making it basically a 5th finger covered in feathers, really cool
@PlatinumAltaria
@PlatinumAltaria 10 ай бұрын
Ok I have to say this, because I keep seeing people say it and it's wrong: the word "wyvern" refers to a heraldic serpent with two legs and two wings. This is a type of dragon. A dragon is any serpentine chimera with legs. It can have mammalian parts like Chinese dragons, or feathers, or anything else. The number of limbs it has is not classificatory, unless that number is zero, in which case it's a serpent (sometimes called a wyrm). The word "drake" has no defined meaning. Salamanders are not dragons, neither is the hydra (which did not originally have legs). Dragons can look like absolutely anything, as they are the most diverse grouping of chimeras. Dragons do not require wings, although many can fly without wings. Breathing fire does not make something a dragon, and not doing so doesn't make something a non-dragon. I mean... you know dragons aren't real, right? You're arguing the taxonomy of an imaginary thing! Wyverns are dragons!
@SN0WS
@SN0WS 10 ай бұрын
Also, the term dragon is historical; if you go back to when people came up with it, you will find all kinds of descriptions of the beast. These classifications are modern and come from other languages/cultures or are entirely made up, and are just for convenience. It baffles me that in art, which incentivizes creativity, people are advocating against interpreting a prompt in interesting ways just to make designs more generic due to technicisms.
@pholidia8175
@pholidia8175 10 ай бұрын
Isn't it a little ironic to say "Dragons can look like absolutely anything" immediately after giving examples of things that are not dragons source trust me
@PlatinumAltaria
@PlatinumAltaria 10 ай бұрын
​@@pholidia8175 By that I meant that it can have goat horns and the face of a dog, or have bird wings, or 50 heads. All still dragon. Things can look super different and still fit the word. Long bodies, short bodies, 6 limbs or 4, tentacles if you're into that... Salamanders were the actual, literal newts in the myth, which are an extremely rare example of a legendary amphibian (more frog love is needed). They're assosciated with fire but not all dragons are, in fact water is a more common affiliation for dragons across different cultures. The hydra was never called a dragon in Greek myth, which had plenty of dragons, it was just a regular snake with a lot of heads. It is actually assosciated with water, as most serpents are.
@Jormyyy
@Jormyyy 10 ай бұрын
​@PlatinumAltaria anyone else ever notice that the myth of the fire salamander probably stems from the fact that some real life salamanders or newts have poisonous skin so touching them would cause "burn"...
@PlatinumAltaria
@PlatinumAltaria 10 ай бұрын
​@@Jormyyy The conventional explanation is that newts would nest in piles of dry wood, and rush out when it was placed in the fire.
@glwgameplayer1716
@glwgameplayer1716 10 ай бұрын
About the dragon at the end. I really like the duality motif and the contrast between the decaying, apparently necrotic wing and the feathered, almost angelic looking wing. You could perhaps make the color distinction a bit sharper to increase the contrast on the rest of the body, or increase the asymmetrical nature by making it’s body more mismatched. Going too far would go in body horror territory and I don’t think that’s what you want, but making it asymmetrical is a really good way to make it look unnatural. Most real creatures are symmetrical, and making them unsymmetrical makes them look unnatural and strange
@perytonpred2356
@perytonpred2356 10 ай бұрын
I like the ideas you had! Your shading on the wings is mesmerizing, and your color choice is phenomenal. However, with the wispy bits on the dark side and the clean, slightly geometric parts on the light side, I read it as more "fire and ice" at a glance. Usually to remedy this, I'd make the dark side more sleek and geometric and the light side wispier, but i do see where you were going with the wispy bits! I think the use of the orange threw me off? Those gemstones could maybe work with green or purple/yellow! Otherwise, though, its a phenomenal design :0 i love it a lot
@TalonRoar
@TalonRoar 8 ай бұрын
Just found your channel. I love dragons and this video was a fantastic way to address critiques. Love the dragon btw! I had a little bit of trouble identifying the forearm on the left hand side, but apart from that, I think you nailed the prompt and design. The menace and beauty in equal parts is captivating. It feels powerful! If this is the kind of artwork we can expect from the game then I am stoked! 😁
@Munenia
@Munenia 10 ай бұрын
The main problem with the dragon is that "Dragon" can be understood as both an umbrella term (for western dragons, eastern dragons, wyverns, drakes, amphipters, etc.) and a "classic western" dragon with 4 legs and 2 wings. Such a dragon does not have a separate name and this confuses everyone.
@maverick2560
@maverick2560 10 ай бұрын
The "classic western" is more of a modern concept. In European folklore, "dragon" never had a specific form or shape. The very first western "dragons" were serpents, sometimes with legs, sometimes with no legs.
@flashtyb
@flashtyb 10 ай бұрын
The thing about Dragons… Back in the day, their appearances were incredibly diverse! The Tarrasque, one of the most terrifying D&D monsters of all time… Well, the monster it’s based on was a Dragon, that had the head of a lion, the limbs of a bear, the shell of a turtle, and the tail of a scorpion… So, there’s not some secret rules as to what a dragon should or shouldn’t look like… These prompt months should be a freedom of expressive creativity. So, forget what the sticklers say… Draw with your heart ❤️😊👍
@lylacor8401
@lylacor8401 10 ай бұрын
Except that in D&D wyverns are considered less than dragons were as historically they are European dragons.
@thedragonwarrior5861
@thedragonwarrior5861 10 ай бұрын
Yeah, something that is a catch-all term, by definition, does not have a correct way to do it
@lv4tmnt90
@lv4tmnt90 10 ай бұрын
Your thumbnail of the shape-shifter has a tangent I can't stop focusing on. I just can't stop looking at that arm. The colors are so amazing on that fire and ice dragon
@Lucero_TheSilverStar
@Lucero_TheSilverStar 10 ай бұрын
thank you for this video, as a begginer artist this will help me to be more useful when giving feedback to my friends, also, your drawing is sooo great! I love all the details on it, the only thing I would probably change is the left arm (the purple one), since it will be in a card it may be kind of dificult to see since it gets lost on the colors of the body and wing... at least for me, watching the min 13:18 in full screen (laptop) made it dificult to tell that the arm was there.
@CoralReaper707
@CoralReaper707 10 ай бұрын
Honestly, dragons have been depicted in so many shapes and forms, that it's become a very vague term at this point. Even Pokemon's dragons might not seem all that much like dragons at first glance (not like it's a bad thing.).
@Pandachu123
@Pandachu123 10 ай бұрын
Dragons don't necessarily have to be Dragon-Type! I think Lance said that somewhere in Pokémon Masters.
@CoralReaper707
@CoralReaper707 10 ай бұрын
@@Pandachu123 Yeah, like Charizard or Gyarados. They may not be dragon type, but physiologically and conceptually, they are dragons.
@wanderingrandomer
@wanderingrandomer 10 ай бұрын
It might just be smug people trying to get a quick smartass "gotcha". It happens in very community, really. Like, it makes them feel clever to point out a fact they think the creator missed
@alexanderlambert295
@alexanderlambert295 10 ай бұрын
Yeah, so many people just want to prove their smarter/better than others, and they'll take whatever petty lines they can come up with to do it. Some are indeed just misguided, but majority are trolls and their like.
@digitalunity
@digitalunity 10 ай бұрын
People who think they know stuff are part of why I intentionally stick to a cartoony style. The minute real anatomy gets involved someone's gonna ask me where someone's liver went because I make a body contort wrong. I'll stick to scrimblo bimblos please, my anatomy doesn't have to be correct if the intent is to be wildly disproportionate in the first place
@wanderingrandomer
@wanderingrandomer 10 ай бұрын
@@digitalunity scrimblo bimblos are my favourite genre of character
@user-ez4yu1xf6r
@user-ez4yu1xf6r 3 ай бұрын
I really like how the different sides of your dragon mesh together, but in my opinion it looks more like a fire and ice dragon
@joshuanorman2
@joshuanorman2 10 ай бұрын
Those wyvern people are so annoying. Wyverns literally ARE DRAGONS
@TiredLowBrass8048
@TiredLowBrass8048 10 ай бұрын
I really like the amber poking from most parts of the light and dark dragon, but one thing I noticed is that the right, dark, arm doesn't read well. Maybe it's a trick of the perspective, but the bulk of the arm looks rather thin, and it doesn't contrast quite enough with the right wing to make it seem completely separate. It also looks oddly short compared to the other arm. All that said, it's amazing, and shows the themes of light and dark very nicely in its design.
@GigaFullsMash
@GigaFullsMash 10 ай бұрын
I really like the dragon design, however, I did not read it as a light and dark dragon at first, but rather as a fire and ice dragon ,I feel like the color choices lean a bit more towards that, since the cool tones can be so easily associated with ice and such, but I also find that since the light side has such rock like mater to it, it reinforced the idea of ice in my head. I'd try to emphasize "light" as a subject matter through the form it constructs , and then reinforce it through color choice. I do find that the dark side is very effective and communicates its theme very clearly.
@luidearaujo
@luidearaujo 10 ай бұрын
You’re the best, bro. Love your work
@seraphim6786
@seraphim6786 10 ай бұрын
Good video :) As far as the little critique "assignment" at the end, the only thing I think I'd suggest to change is maybe make the dark half a darker purple and the light half a pale shining goldish yellow to better convey the light and dark think it's got going on, since at first I thought it was fire and ice (literally my thoughts were "oh Todoroki dragon, cool" I was also gonna mention bringing in angel-demon aesthetics, but on a closer look, that seems to already be present, very cool.
@Octobomb12
@Octobomb12 10 ай бұрын
its really nice seeing a video about this topic. im not very active in any art communities but ive seen these sorts of empty "criticisms" thrown around like crazy and it seriously makes it discouraging to share work. when ive gotten even the slightest resemblance of actual constructive criticism on my work, its quite motivating and makes me feel good about working on art rather than being scared of what others will think of it
@mrosskne
@mrosskne 10 ай бұрын
What if the people criticizing you are right? Why are you so certain that you're incapable of making a mistake?
@Octobomb12
@Octobomb12 10 ай бұрын
@mrosskne not what I was trying to say at all What I meant was that when people cricisise something they don't like, whether or not it's actually good, rarely will they actually be constructive about it. To receive that kind of comment is usually pretty discouraging And in the rare case that feedback is actually helpful, then that feels quite good (even if the work you made is really bad! I don't think anyone is incapable of making mistakes)
@mrosskne
@mrosskne 10 ай бұрын
@@Octobomb12 Wrong. You simply dismiss any criticism you don't like as non constructive. Fix yourself.
@HyLion
@HyLion 10 ай бұрын
@@mrosskne ... Surely you realise the irony of what you're saying about them being dismissive when they don't like the criticism they recieved, when you yourself just dismissed their entiry explanation because you don't like it, right?
@sadrock6014
@sadrock6014 10 ай бұрын
Words cannot describe how well I think this art has been constructed, I enjoy the light and dark coloration that makes it seem like a great protecter that’s feared by all those who wish to do evil.
@bleachbleachBLEACHER
@bleachbleachBLEACHER 10 ай бұрын
The creature in the thumbnail reminded me a lot of the Griffin from Quest for Camelot, and let me just say I was not prepared for that blast to the past hitting me up in my recommendations today!
@redleaderdemon841
@redleaderdemon841 3 ай бұрын
I absolutely love the 'darkness' aspects you have in the dragon you drew for this video, the dark colors and flame-like appearance to the scales and horns give a great shadow vibe. However, I'm a bit underwhelmed by the color choice you have for the light side. The crystalline shapes work well to contrast the more organic shapes the darkness side has, but I feel like having light blue with those more geometric shapes more so says 'ice' than 'light'. Warmer colors like yellow might help fix that, but that could also just be a me thing! Overall, I think it's great!
@LeMon-re7qs
@LeMon-re7qs 10 ай бұрын
I'm loving the direction this channel is taking in terms of more analytical discussion videos, especially art centric ones! Can't wait to see more! Dragon Critique: I love the how difficult it is to determine what this creature's true intensions are due to the lack of clear expression (tiny eyes, No pupil, gaped mouth, etc.) as if it's lost control over itself. These aspects make It look like an awesome force of nature as well as giving it a somewhat tragic vibe. I would like to see the dark and light halves getting more space in terms of colour, maybe around the sides of neck the neck and tail areas to give a sense that they are still slowly corrupting the host's body. I would also make the general body colour a bit darker, allowing each half pop out a lot more. Overall, still a fantastic piece as always!
@whyarehandlesathingonyoutube
@whyarehandlesathingonyoutube 10 ай бұрын
The dragon you showed at the end is really well rendered. I felt that the line art was confusing, but then, the color and rendering brought it together. The tail feels disconnected from the rest of the body, as if there was a serpent hidden behind the dragon, and the tail seems too big or “girthy” compared to the rest of the body
@mrosskne
@mrosskne 10 ай бұрын
don't shame fat juicy tails
@myffyandlutube37
@myffyandlutube37 10 ай бұрын
I really love the pose and the colors on the dragon! It really makes the character pop out. Although, I think that if you made the forearms and hands (claws?) bigger the anatomy would look more balanced. Nice job dude!
@thatweirdo35
@thatweirdo35 10 ай бұрын
I love the design you made for that dragon! You mentioned it was an Amber dragon beforehand, and I really like how you can see that with some orange-ish segments on its body. However, at the first glance I think I mistook the light side for something ice themed. I personally would've made it more yellow-ish, rather than light blue. Speaking of the light side, I love how the wing on the light side has feathers. It reminds me a little of an angelic wing. I really like how intimidating, yet somewhat reserved the dragon's pose looks, good job :)
@runez4915
@runez4915 10 ай бұрын
Okay, "The Kid Who Draws Dragons" is such a cool title, it's sounds like awesome concept for a fantasy character for any midia (Sorry for my bad english)
@raylordofkhalah28
@raylordofkhalah28 10 ай бұрын
very good english actually. the only mistake is a typo for Media, and turning "it" into "it's"! made perfect sense in my head when I read it, and just minor typos that native english speakers would make as well as mistakes.
@wacasommerfell469
@wacasommerfell469 10 ай бұрын
Way better then the name i got in primary school: "The angry kid that flipped a table once"😂
@kannaredpanda
@kannaredpanda 10 ай бұрын
I absolutely LOVE the colors you chose for the dragon, they play off eachother beautifully and definitely convey the theme you were going for. However the arm on the ‘dark’ side is blending into the wing, to the point where it is hard to see. The arm is being pulled back, I can tell that! But with how the colors kinda muddle together around that area it looks too small, which only adds to it being hard to distinguish. The pose over all is fantastic though! I love the motion you have going on with the piece!
@slipspacesurvivalist9416
@slipspacesurvivalist9416 10 ай бұрын
(Leaving my critique separate from my previous comment.
@b_onkus2493
@b_onkus2493 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for saying this, I do think it's something that needs saying more. Constructive criticism is built upon conveying your thoughts on what something means to you, not conveying how it makes you feel instinctively. It's just that giving your opinion is so much easier than describing to a person exactly what their work makes you think about, so that's what tends to come out of the mouth instead. Your description of the issue is both concise and thorough, and the applied examples are great. Thanks for the reminder and the positivity! (and dragons rule)
@NoaLindsey
@NoaLindsey 10 ай бұрын
I love the dragon you designed, its imposing and scary but the pose you chose for it looks a little stiff and uncomfortable. Maybe if they were in a bipedal position yelling at a warrior who gained the confidence to actually look the beast in the eye. Or maybe even a leaping into an acton pose using its wings to get to high ground. I also felt like the colors leaned into more fire and ice. I love using the convention of angel with light and demon with dark in my art so maybe you could imply a halo and horns in the design. also changing the color scheme to yellow and white with red and black goes with light dark theme. This could also lead to pose showing it falling down from the heavens. By the way the dragon you designed is so cool, keep doing what your doing Jack. ;)
@captive-audience
@captive-audience 10 ай бұрын
Once as a kid I drew a worm (basically a wiggly line) and told others that was a dragon. No one believed me but then again when the fuck did anyone ever see a dragon.
@lylacor8401
@lylacor8401 10 ай бұрын
except for the animals with dragon in the name, none.
@ZelilaArt
@ZelilaArt 10 ай бұрын
I lot of people if you drew a worm, bet they saw one of those in there lifetime.
@DrTheRich
@DrTheRich 8 ай бұрын
@@lylacor8401 Dragonflies are the best dragons in existence imo
@lylacor8401
@lylacor8401 8 ай бұрын
@@DrTheRich Like the crocodiles (considered natures perfection) dragonflies have existed for a very long time without changing much, longer then even the crocodiles witch is paralel to how dragons are often portrayed as ancient superior animals\creatures.
@AHandleWasAlreadyTaken
@AHandleWasAlreadyTaken 10 ай бұрын
Wow, that is amazing! I love the colors you chose, though I do feel it needs to be a bit more transition between them. I love the shape of it and the pose it's drawn in too, I do feel like the darkness sides arm isn't visible enough tho, I would just adjust the colors. Overall, it's an amazing piece!
@stabbykinz1446
@stabbykinz1446 10 ай бұрын
I really like the color composition and the design of the dragon in particular. The contrasts of the elements that have taken over it, leaving some amber exposed, is really striking! What honestly caught my eye was the designs of the inner portions of the wings: the faint motifs of heaven on one side, and hell on the other! It's such a departure from what I'm used to seeing in dragon designs, especially with that geode tail at the end, and it's a genuinely unique and refreshing take on what a dragon looks like!
@Xenellia
@Xenellia 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for this, a lot of people don't realize how little throwaway comments can affect artists, or how to critique something in a way that doesn't sounds insulting. Concerning the dragon you were painting in the background, I absolutely love him
@averysmith9943
@averysmith9943 10 ай бұрын
The half-and-half aspect of your dragon is a really cool idea! Personally for me, it read a bit more like a fire and ice dragon, especially with the orange part in the middle. It might help to lean a bit more (but not entirely) into stereotypical “light and darkness” colors?
@raenox1258
@raenox1258 10 ай бұрын
I honestly like the way you portrayed the dark and angelic part of the dragon with the details putted on it, with the angelic part looking like an armor but also looking beautiful with his blue gems and his clear color, looking like it is reminiscent of the armor of an archangel being in some sort of battle armor to protect paradise, and with the demonic part, looking more aggressive with a more sharp and spiky look, and looking like it's an actual fallen angel, with his wings having holes in it, looking like it just got his wings destroyed so that it would fall from paradise and end up a demon in hell, i also like the fact that the legs and most of the tail still looks like it hasn't got corrupted yet, showing that the corruption is (perhaps) not complete yet, one single advice i would give would be to maybe make the wings look more like they are in motion so that it actually looks like the dragon is flying and not just floating (unless it is made to float, in that case it is good), maybe by adding some motion effects on the wings or maybe changing the pose of the wings, overall, it is a very well made dragon and it makes me want to have it as a teammate to destroy my ennemies >:) Keep up the good work :)
@thoth7290
@thoth7290 10 ай бұрын
i keep thinking of that one scene from chowder where the guy is taste testing two competing food stands and keeps saying "good" for both of them
@KnightmarePhoenix_official
@KnightmarePhoenix_official 10 ай бұрын
I love how well the dragon's design reads, I knew what it was about before the coloring even began! The one torn, batlike wing and one avian wing are classic (though perhaps overused?) symbols for darkness and light combining in one form, they alone make the intent of the art clear. My only real criticism would be that on the torn wing's tips, the tears appear to go through the part of the wing where the bone should be, and overall the anatomy of the wing and the shape of the tears are not convincingly realistic to me. However, from what I understand, making the wings unrealistic was probably a deliberate choice, and really the only reason I dislike the wing at all is because I'm a stickler for convincing anatomical realism. It's an awesome piece overall! Ok but also. I have a cousin who does these ""criticisms"" irl and oh my gosh, it's so annoying. Taught me a lot about how to ignore smart alecs at a young age. Nowadays I either give my guys original species/race names, or just say "screw it" and call my art whatever I want.
@lainafeign3569
@lainafeign3569 10 ай бұрын
The first glance at this light and darkness dragon kinda gives me the feel of fire. Even though it's an amber dragon, the shift from darker red to orange to blue makes me think of the different colored flames seen in real life. The black, purple and red of the Dragon's right side are all associated with villain colors, and subsequently function incredibly effectively to provoke thoughts of corruption or evil. In stark contrast, the light half feels more like ice or a general regal feel with it's blues and yellows and whites. This makes the brown-ish gray of the middle a perfect in-between, not quite one or the other. Even though it's lore is that of a sort of takeover of the original dragon, you can tell it's stronger and significantly more dangerous with it's new sharp edges and the glowing parts on it's skin. (How'd I do?)
@amiableapparition
@amiableapparition 8 ай бұрын
I always go with a critique sandwich as you mentioned! Tell things about the piece you like, tell things you think could use improvement, that way they never feel like you're just pulling their piece apart.
@kurenai_chi
@kurenai_chi 10 ай бұрын
the video itself is super super important and nicely done- but i just wanted to say hooooly crap i love the dragon drawn in this timelapse. it covers so many interests to me and its just absolutely gorgeous and super cool♥♥♥ had to get it out there EDIT: ASSIGNMENT TIME CUZ I FINISHED THE VIDEO ok. so what i was drawn towards at first (during sketch/lineart stage) was all the complex shapes going through its body. The massive head crest, the well defined face, the branch-like chest with holes in it, all of these details got me very intrigued because i personally love when creatures have, odd or strange growths on them, or simply have been shaped in a intricate way. makes you wonder what happened or why they look like this. When you started getting more details in, especially with asymmetry (which i also love), i realized this is definitely an individual whos either affected by something (an illness, corruption, magic etc), or is sharing their identity with another. It turned out to be a combo of both. Which only makes it more interesting to me When the drawing was finished, by looking at it first glance, i didnt get too much "light/dark" vibes. Probably because, at least i, am so used to high contrast black and white whenever thats depicted. But i liked this change. I prefer having more colors, and having a reason for them to be there. Specifically in this case, when looking closer at the light side, youll see more refined edges, cleaner shapes, it sometimes even look like a polished material like.. blessed metal or something. Its got all the pleasant surfaces while still keeping some twisted details that make it look, slightly scewed, again, affected by something. As it blends into the dark side, that has a lot more pointy and rough edges, looks more meaty and raw- but still refined and glorious somehow. These two elements have their own defining traits, but what i appreciate is that they also seem to take elements from each other. Light side is slightly twisted, and dark side feels "clean". Maybe it has to do with artstyle too, but its fun to point out nonetheless. Ontop of that, an element that feel like it belongs to both and neither at the same time- are the bone plates on the tail. Everyone shares a "skeleton" if you think logically and anatomically. The outside might be different, but without flesh we all come down to the same structure. And the fact this shows amplifies a feeling of bittersweet unity, we are together and different until death comes - along with time- that ill get to now.. And then theres the amber. Something i deeply respect in designs is when the creator slaps a high contrast color onto it. Even more so if theres a lot of colors present already. Because if you nail it, you can make something look dark gritty and menacing even if its colorful! Colors can mean so many things. Amber in this case is often associated with time. Something thats shaped and hardened over many generations, in order to achieve the beautiful look it has today. Incorporating that as the core of the dragon makes it seem to me as if these light and dark sides has grown around it, binding themselves to the heart from two opossite sides, ultimately resulting in the fibre of their beings intertwined. This is a beautiful concept. Two individuals becoming one, without fully losing themselves. TLDR; it looks very fresh at first glance, but the more you read into its design, i think youll start finding very peculiar details that speak more than the initial impression does. Absolutely breathtaking♥
@sunnydraws2513
@sunnydraws2513 10 ай бұрын
The dragon you designed in this video has a really strong design! I love the color palette used! One thing I would consider if you decide to make any changes is that the arm to the viewer's left (the dragon's right arm) looks a bit small, and makes it seem disproportionate. Granted, this could be what you were going for and if so, kudos to you! However, to me, it makes that side of the dragon look a bit... incomplete and not as powerful as the rest of the design.
@watertypes4evers
@watertypes4evers 10 ай бұрын
Those aren’t dragons tho, they’re drawings
@shinyian82
@shinyian82 10 ай бұрын
Honestly true
@lachillea
@lachillea 10 ай бұрын
ikr??? why must people call art “dragons”, or whatever it looks like, its just lines on paper smh 🙄🙄
@hildcit
@hildcit 10 ай бұрын
“This is not a pipe”
@byjohan832
@byjohan832 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video! This topic is particularly unpopular, but truly important for everyone involved. As for your design, it shows how much you worked on the colors, the way they mix or differentiate tells you a lot about the dragon itself, and its purpose. However, i'd try to make the face a little more neutral, since it looks quite malicious, and from what you said, you're trying to make a fusion between light and dark. Good luck in the redesign, if you want to do it!
@LMBarv
@LMBarv 10 ай бұрын
I'm glad you found your place in the art community. I'm still working on mine.
@kaijuemperor
@kaijuemperor 10 ай бұрын
I think some elements of the light and darkness dragon definitely work to convey its intent. But I assumed it it was actually supposed to be an ice/fire dragon before you said it was light and dark. The crystal like structure on the arms for the light makes it look like ice and the horn on dark side has the appearance of flame. However, because the element of amber is present adding a crystalline structure to the dark and light halves is a very cool concept. I just don't know if it properly comes across. Maybe different color choices or using specific gemstones to represent the two halves could work. Opal for light comes to mind. I also don't know if the overall gray color scheme of the majority of the dragon really works. It doesn't allow the other colors to pop enough. I adore the shapes though and how the elements of light and dark are almost melting into the central crystal. It makes for a more chaotic look that sells the mutated by light and dark magic idea. The spiraling of the two colors on the end of the tail is also a very cool idea and another great way to visualize the two elements coming together. I hope any of this was helpful or constructive heh.
@HealthGage0336
@HealthGage0336 10 ай бұрын
Taking what you said to heart, I'm going to try and critic the light & dark dragon. I like the angle you were going for, adding in a third design element not only enhances the story behind the dragon for me, but also helps to break up the design as well. However, I do feel like the posing is lacking. If this is meant to represent the two major elements of the card game as well as the story being that an amber dragon was corrupted by the two elements and thus changing what the dragon once was, I feel like the artwork deserves a pose that really shows what effects both elements are having on its mind (?) I really am trying not to just say "Bro this is awesome, keep up the good work" Because this channel has help a lot in making me improve in being an artist and it feels weird for me, someone who isn't even an adult yet, give a critic to someone who has been doing art for much longer. (Thank you btw)
@Smonk03
@Smonk03 10 ай бұрын
This is my first critique in a while but your video made me wanna try lmao I thought it was a nice use of colors and texture, showing the light to be more cleaned up and sharp, while darkness is rough and tattered. The asymmetry works really well to show the two opposing forces corrupting a creature. with that said, were you specifically going for more uniform in your design than the duality? i feel as though their could be a bit more with the light and dark aspects to carry that idea further, even as simple as a few more patterns or colors. overall stunning piece and I hope this critique was acceptable. love you guys and all that you do!!!
@reversereality6799
@reversereality6799 10 ай бұрын
Thumbnail dragon gives me more bird of death. The skull and the bird part and the skeleton. Reminds me of two animals being fused. Really cool dragon!
@a-w-c
@a-w-c 10 ай бұрын
The way that there are still elements of the dragon untouched by the corruption is interesting, and helps imply that this is not its natural state. The arm on the darkness side is hard to make out from the body/wings, and looks a lot weaker, almost crippled, compared tot he light side. That said, I love it Jack. ❤🎉❤
@sceleton1453
@sceleton1453 10 ай бұрын
I personally think that the dragon you drew is fantastic, first of all YES... it does look like a dragon, at least giving the situation. xD I can say that the differentiation between darkness and light is clear and it's the first thing I noticed even before the coloring, the details were already specifing the character flamy and edgy side and the other clean and angelical side. I even like the style of the character which really well matches the other cards you showed erlier, and his position that make it seem like it's in mid fly but still keep it in between the dimentions of a card, avoiding to let too much empty space (like if it had the wings opened). However I can't stop noticing the character's right arm (the darkness side) which feels really small in proportions compared to the left one, of course I see that the position of the arm is different, but I still think that from the point of view that we see the character the proportions of the right arm should look bigger, unless the objective was to make it feel like the left bright side is stronger then the right dark one. Idk... :/ And to me his right foot seem rotated too much in the other direction, it gives me the sensation that it's not connected to the leg, maybe making it facing towards the viewer whould make it look less twisted. btw I love the glowing effect of the middle part. bye, and keep up with what you like... :)
@mistingwolf
@mistingwolf 10 ай бұрын
Not long ago, I heard about a concept called the critique sandwich. Start off with a couple of things you like, then insert your critique, and then end with one other thing you liked or encouraging statement.
@caffeinedinosaur
@caffeinedinosaur 10 ай бұрын
Okay crit time!! Really like how you’ve married the colours across both halves while also varying the texture in the wings, I see you’re going for the angelic bird wing thing on the right; for example. I think to hammer home the “light/dark” theme you could probably lighten the light side a little more? It’s really tricky to do that when you’re working with a lot of colour but. That would be my only suggestion I think. Great video btw! I’m an illustrator / designer too and lol people are so annoying
@mikonyx7712
@mikonyx7712 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for helping me realize that what is a dragon varies largely between certain franchises. DnD design of dragons seems to be more conservative, with main differences being the head shape, and color of scales. That could be because of how many other creatures there are in world of DnD, and making dragons more diverse could prove confusing if placed next to other monsters. On the other hand we have How to train your dragon franchise, where lack of other fantastical creatures gives more freedom when creating dragon design.
@SiberianThunderT
@SiberianThunderT 10 ай бұрын
It'd be interesting to see if the more gatekeeping comments are actually from the art community or just from random observers. Since most of the challenges are for practice/improvement, it would surprise me if fellow artists are the majority of the dunkers
@DrTheRich
@DrTheRich 8 ай бұрын
or from actual dragons who feel misrepresented
@dandan_yt8300
@dandan_yt8300 10 ай бұрын
As someone who grew up on How To Train Your Dragon, anything w/ bat-like wings that isnt a bat is a dragon
@speedymclame5974
@speedymclame5974 10 ай бұрын
I love this design! i Love how everything clashes together so smoothly and perfectly, plus the fire horn and the amber in the middle are so cool! though it’s kinda hard to tell the arm apart from the wing on the corrupted / purple side Also thank you for the tip on criticism! It helped me a lot :D
@hex8597
@hex8597 10 ай бұрын
It's like there saying a "a polar bear isn't a bear" which is wrong and stupid
@bui3415
@bui3415 10 ай бұрын
But then he drew a dog and got upset that someone said it wasn't a bear.
@hex8597
@hex8597 10 ай бұрын
@@bui3415 true
@frank_calvert
@frank_calvert 10 ай бұрын
omg im so glad someone else has also seen this dragon sameness. its exactly the reason how to train your dragon got so popular; all of its diverse and varied dragon designs
@vanraview134
@vanraview134 10 ай бұрын
Great video, for the critique, I thing the two shades should blend a liitle more conssitently, like a spectrum, like for example the one sides being red, and that read, slowly tunrning into voilet in the middle, and then blue
@studioghiblets958
@studioghiblets958 10 ай бұрын
I really dig the quality of your lines and the way you apply color to your pieces! The colors feel vivid and enticing! For this video's dragon, I personally got more of a dark and ice vibe instead of light and dark. Perhaps it's because you used a lot of blue as opposed to the stereotypical white/cream. Not that this is a bad thing at all, but I think the sharpness of the wings combined with that side's pallet also adds to it being "ice".
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