Why Don’t We Care More About Hawkeye?

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Nerdstalgic

Nerdstalgic

Күн бұрын

The MCU version of Hawkeye never really rose to the same level as the rest of the Avengers did. Clint Barton, aka Hawkeye, has been around for over 60 years with some truly amazing comic runs. So why do the creative's at Marvel refuse to treat Hawkeye with the same level of respect as the rest of The Avengers. It wasn't until his Disney+ show that they tried to adapt his best running comic series, but even then, they couldn't get Hawkeye right.
#hawkeye #theavengers #nerdstalgic
Written by Dave Baker
Edited by Brian Nappi

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@dariaobrien
@dariaobrien Жыл бұрын
the saddest part is that jeremy renner was actually a very good casting choice, he’s extremely fun in that exhausted and grumpy manner, and he’s so fit for blockbusters? idk idk it’s just such a pity it never clicked
@DodaGarcia
@DodaGarcia Жыл бұрын
Is he really though? Granted, I haven't seen The Hurt Locker or any of his other films, but based on how he acted in the videos for his own mobile app (not to say anything of the existence of the app and its shameless cash-grab nature) he's just as bland and boring as his Clint Barton.
@dariaobrien
@dariaobrien Жыл бұрын
@@DodaGarcia dk dk, i enjoy his media presence, e.g. him singing on late shows (the new york state of mind bit especially, he just seems so passionate and approachable in the my-drunk-friend-at-karaoke way there). tbf i dont like his own music and surely the app is hilarious memory but other than that from his parts in tag (!!!!) or even mission impossible i always found him to be both a believable agent (competent, fit, cool minded most of the time) and a relatable guy (chill, goofy, middle aged, tired, resting bitch face). the execution of hawkeye's arc in films was bland indeed but imo there IS some general blandness to clint as a character by default, it allows him to be a part of a rigidly hierarchical organisation like shield for many years (which most main marvel characters could never do as they're rebels and loners and all that non-bland jazz) and also be a fellow loser new yorker we love. i can totally see renner in a dumpster with charlie cox and r reynolds, marvel just wouldn't know what to do with it
@hikiea
@hikiea Жыл бұрын
No he was not
@nicolasp8pl
@nicolasp8pl Жыл бұрын
@@DodaGarcia Why are you even judging his actings skills if you haven't seen any other movie with him? LoL
@LetThatStuffGo
@LetThatStuffGo Жыл бұрын
Oh. Absolutely. He is really believable in the Hawkeye role as he is also in The Bourne Legacy, the two Mission: Impossibles, SWAT, The Town, Wind River and Hurt Locker. I so wish they made Hawkeye movies, the budget does not need to be huge like the Blade movies, the first Deadpool and 2019's Joker movie.
@archive6094
@archive6094 Жыл бұрын
Fun Fact: For the Hawkeye show, Jeremy Renner and Hailee Steinfeld both learned American Sign Language to welcome Alaqua Cox to the set
@AhtuMasculineMondello
@AhtuMasculineMondello Жыл бұрын
That fun wasn't fun. Not. Fun. Fact.
@Siiseliify
@Siiseliify Жыл бұрын
That is a heartwarming fact
@frankjoz2803
@frankjoz2803 Жыл бұрын
They learned how to say ONE thing. They didn't learn sign language perse.
@SchmergDergen
@SchmergDergen Жыл бұрын
Wow such effort for us to be graced with a character as dull as Echo.
@harrysmith9773
@harrysmith9773 Жыл бұрын
Should of just waved
@vengefulcurse3404
@vengefulcurse3404 Жыл бұрын
Age of Ultron is my favorite Avengers movie because it makes Clint a fun 3-dimensional character, and makes the Avengers seem more like a family than a team...
@monoveloso
@monoveloso Жыл бұрын
Indeeed.
@johncarldelossantos7345
@johncarldelossantos7345 Жыл бұрын
That's Joss Whedon style, remember Firefly? He also made it. 👌 But he did butcher Justice league 😂
@jbearclowater
@jbearclowater Жыл бұрын
That was the best stuff in that movie, in my opinion.
@alexandrarainbow520
@alexandrarainbow520 Жыл бұрын
@@johncarldelossantos7345 the family vibes in firefly are stellar 😭
@vengefulcurse3404
@vengefulcurse3404 Жыл бұрын
@@alexandrarainbow520 Never seen firefly is it good?
@ExtremeMedium
@ExtremeMedium Жыл бұрын
Hawkeye is one of my MCU favorites. He's not flashy or goofy or loudmouthed like some other characters, but he does his business, has some funny quips, and some pretty cool scenes tbh. I feel like he's the guy who isn't looking for recognition, but he's the one everyone can relate to and root for.
@themarlboromandalorian
@themarlboromandalorian Жыл бұрын
Aye. He's just on his sigma grindset.
@johnstrawb3521
@johnstrawb3521 Жыл бұрын
"Depends. How hard are you going to hit me?" As good a line as there is in the MCU.
@ItSpiatz
@ItSpiatz Жыл бұрын
Honestly that's one of the main reasons I can't relate to him, he just feels like a emotionless foot soldier with a bow and arrow, which idk if that's the character or that's just Jeremy Renner tbh
@jsw78
@jsw78 Жыл бұрын
Exactly
@jsw78
@jsw78 Жыл бұрын
@@ItSpiatz the problem here is your lack of ability to read emotions. It may be something you need to see help about. He has displayed plenty of emotions to anyone functioning normally
@jeremy1860
@jeremy1860 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, I think Clint might be my favourite of the Avengers. Sure, he never got his own movie and he's constantly overshadowed by his teammates, but there's real value in having a member of a team of superheroes whose just an ordinary guy, albeit very skilled. His more grounded experiences compared to everyone else were often a breath of fresh air, and since he was the only one of them to have a family (that we know of), it made him being in dangerous situations all that more unnerving for us because we know who he might be leaving behind if things went wrong 😟
@tammygant4216
@tammygant4216 Жыл бұрын
SAME!!!!
@sebastian.stamour
@sebastian.stamour Жыл бұрын
Same here. He's not a God, super soldier, has a special suit. He's just a normal dude that kicks ass
@sureyeah3678
@sureyeah3678 Жыл бұрын
Not to mention, in Avengers 1, his team beat the other 5 avengers
@LetThatStuffGo
@LetThatStuffGo Жыл бұрын
Samesies! (Spelling??? First time I wrote that awkward word) 😂 I always see Hawkeye cosplayers at Comic Cons. There are definitely fans for sure. I would know because I am fan of Clint Barton.
@ohlookitsbryan
@ohlookitsbryan Жыл бұрын
He’s not your favorite lmfao
@Rough_Estimates
@Rough_Estimates Жыл бұрын
People sleep on him imo, the family scenes in Age of Ultron sold him for me
@DenisRyan
@DenisRyan Жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@ther3aper561
@ther3aper561 Жыл бұрын
I actually really love Hawkeye. And especially Renner. The show was one of my favorite Disney+ shows so far and I think Renner brings that grouchy old man that secretly really cares schtick that works really well.
@OregonOutdoorsChris
@OregonOutdoorsChris Жыл бұрын
As a grouchy old man who secretly tries to care... it gave me the hero I could relate to :-)
@kamikeserpentail3778
@kamikeserpentail3778 Жыл бұрын
Personal opinion. The show was a better die hard than die hard. It's more about Christmas. The characters are more interesting. The action is cooler.
@simon133000
@simon133000 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, a lot of people loved the show because all it means and has, but you know, it is popular to say bad thinga about Marvel now
@d.vldymyr3381
@d.vldymyr3381 Жыл бұрын
Kate bishop show featuring clint barton u mean?
@GibberishDraw
@GibberishDraw Жыл бұрын
@@d.vldymyr3381 sure, but their both Hawkeye and they share the main character roles well enough.
@garrettp7003
@garrettp7003 Жыл бұрын
Gotta be honest, Hawkeye is one of the few MCU characters that retained a good amount of the character he had in the books. He is extremely aware that he isn't the most powerful and he just has to do his best. The Hawkeye show was easily the best of the Disney + shows in my mind. But a wider audience has gotten used to everything being cataclysmic. He isn't going to fight on the moon or make out with his alternate version or something. He's just a guy who's very good at something. It isn't supposed to be bombastic and those stories tend to get overlooked even when they can be some of the best ones.
@Sheriffwoodie860
@Sheriffwoodie860 Жыл бұрын
But they made it boring
@Gabe600
@Gabe600 Жыл бұрын
the problem isn't that it's not "bombastic" it's that it's just bad, Fraction's run isn't bombastic either but everyone loves it
@gazem_3211
@gazem_3211 Жыл бұрын
This is why I loved him in EMH, he was witty and had a great sense of humor. They actually gave him a personality, whenever he appeared I remember always chuckling at his quips. We need this hawkeye back
@MrLachapell
@MrLachapell Жыл бұрын
EMH ?
@gazem_3211
@gazem_3211 Жыл бұрын
@@MrLachapell Earth's Mightiest Heroes Disney XD show, came out in 2010 I think
@christianinfinity8206
@christianinfinity8206 Жыл бұрын
Watch the show. It’s actually really funny.
@mandalorianhunter1
@mandalorianhunter1 Жыл бұрын
Honestly him that show and Avengers Assemble gave me the impression he was a less smart Tony with his similar cockiness and quips
@thomaspanditfan2435
@thomaspanditfan2435 Жыл бұрын
this clint looks like her just doesnt care anymore
@Connor-fr5cn
@Connor-fr5cn Жыл бұрын
Hawkeye is very loved because he's so mistreated. Fans want to see him do good, and I credit that to Renner making us love what little he was given. The show had so much potential: to be a low stakes Christmas story, show us who Clint is, give us his origins, and introduce Kate while not taking away from Clint. But the writers were really bent on bringing her in and making her important. Clint serves as a push for her story, not the other way around like in the book it's based on. The simple swap of the big car scene shows it, she's making the shots and he drives. In the book, he solves it and she helps. It's shame, the deleted scenes add so much depth and personality to Clint. You see him as a kid and how his origins are so unique compared to the other heroes.
@nicolasp8pl
@nicolasp8pl Жыл бұрын
Yeah it's so sad that introducing Kate and Echo was way more important to the writers than exploring one of the og characters.
@vancen8119
@vancen8119 Жыл бұрын
Hawkeye was my favorite MCU show but that is mainly because he is also my favorite MCU character.
@alpacapines8553
@alpacapines8553 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, that show was a lot better than it had any business being. But it's definitely in my top 5 from phase 4.
@justuraveragecunt9005
@justuraveragecunt9005 Жыл бұрын
I've always liked normal dudes that are super skillful, so I like Hawkeye
@biguy617
@biguy617 Жыл бұрын
I like that he tells Wanda what it it means to be an Avenger.
@GuiltlessGear
@GuiltlessGear Жыл бұрын
It really sucks that didn't stick
@dmore
@dmore Жыл бұрын
I actually really enjoyed the Hawkeye series. I liked seeing that aspect of a basic human dealing with the fall out of their super human excursions. The pain, the hearing issues, juggling family with obligation etc. It deepened his character for me and made him instantly one of the most relatable Avengers. I liked how the fact he was a father tied in with him taking Kate Bishop under his wing. It worked much better for me than when they used Tony Stark having a daughter as a way to delay him back to the fight. While we'd had depth to Tony's issues with his father, there'd been little to tie that to him wanting to be a better father himself. For me the costume isn't really here-nor-there, but then while I dabbled a little, I'm not a big fan from the comic days. I do think there is more that could be done with the character, and I'd love to see a Hawkeye movie some day. If set in the past, it could be a good way to bring back Black Widow as well, exploring more of their history as agents as well as Barton himself. Alternatively, if set in present day, you could also get mileage out of doing something between Barton and Yelena as I think his fatherly, protective instincts would come in there as well given the connection with Black Window. Whatever way they do it, I do hope we get more of the character and he's not just immediately replaced by Kate (though I am excited for her story also).
@nicolasp8pl
@nicolasp8pl Жыл бұрын
If there will ever be a Hawkeye movie, then it will be about Kate and Yelena. Marvel never cared about Clint and never will
@js-cm9si
@js-cm9si Жыл бұрын
I think that's what's happening in the next ant man movie. As in, he is a side character of his own story.
@17absolut
@17absolut Жыл бұрын
T'challa's "I don't care" in Civil War was brutally savage
@Ra-Hul-K
@Ra-Hul-K Жыл бұрын
Clint, give it to me.
@jesserussell9286
@jesserussell9286 Жыл бұрын
I think you should have titled this video " why you don't care about Hawkeye" casue I thought he was a loved character
@jbearclowater
@jbearclowater Жыл бұрын
I generally really like Nerdstalgic's videos, but this one felt like a misfire to me. I really feel like the focus was on their issues with the character and failed to highlight any of the things that have really stood out for a lot of fans. I know Hawkeye isn't the most popular Avenger by any stretch, but in my opinion, this video really failed to highlight why his everyman qualities do work for some fans.
@ridaimran7565
@ridaimran7565 Жыл бұрын
Hawkeye was actually my favourite mcu show. And he has since become one of my favourite characters.
@claycowan1989
@claycowan1989 Жыл бұрын
I think MCU's Hawkeye gets a lot of undeserved crap. There's a lot a missed potential to make him as great as his comic version, but he has shown to be the best marksman in the MCU, an excellent fighter, caring especially towards his family, Natasha, Wanda and Kate. He's far more useful than people care to admit. He wasn't in Infinity War and the Avengers lost the fight. And he has gotten some character development throughout the films and show. But I do think they should've took some pages out of Arrow's book for developing Clint. And let him have a cool costume
@DenisRyan
@DenisRyan Жыл бұрын
I really love this show! I thought the character was finally given the credit and spotlight he deserves. Renner was, and always has been, great in the role.
@dillonwhittle6727
@dillonwhittle6727 Жыл бұрын
It’s really fun. More fun than most of the others
@mittendemon4493
@mittendemon4493 Жыл бұрын
That was my favorite besides loki idk what people be talking about
@hisokamorow6709
@hisokamorow6709 Жыл бұрын
"was finally given the [...] spotlight" Did we see the same show? The show was called Hawkeye, but we saw more of Kate Bishop in it. Hell, even the big bad guy (Kingpin) of the season was defeated not by Clint but by Kate
@mandalorianhunter1
@mandalorianhunter1 Жыл бұрын
@@hisokamorow6709 truth
@daphargrave4384
@daphargrave4384 Жыл бұрын
@@hisokamorow6709Clint’s arc in the show is dealing with his guilt and trauma over what happened with Black Window in Endgame. Kate Bishop’s arc is becoming a hero… so it made sense for the show to have her do the final face off with Kingpin (imo). The show gave Hawkeye / Clint a lot of character development as a father, a mentor, and someone dealing with guilt and with getting older. It also gave us those fan service moments like the costume (s), the trick arrows, and the LARPers. I really enjoyed the series and hope ppl who didn’t enjoy as much as I did give it a second chance.
@JGooden762
@JGooden762 Жыл бұрын
Maybe people will appreciate him more now that he's in the ICU???
@TheZachary86
@TheZachary86 Жыл бұрын
Appreciate out of pity
@jolt06
@jolt06 Жыл бұрын
The thing is . He is a favorite.
@erubin100
@erubin100 Жыл бұрын
I think it's more about how he's been disrespected by Disney rather than audience appeal.
@avoidant560
@avoidant560 Жыл бұрын
If only the production teams give more chances for hawkeye to do some cool tricks with his arrow skill instead of CQC with his bow, I think that would be dope.
@andybearchan
@andybearchan Жыл бұрын
I don't get all this hate for Hawkeye. He's great. I like every scene he is in.
@christianinfinity8206
@christianinfinity8206 Жыл бұрын
Out of all the shows that Marvel has released , Hawkeye was my favorite. Different and grounded and has my type of humor. I love Hawkeyes personality.
@chasehedges6775
@chasehedges6775 Жыл бұрын
He was really good as a supporting character but his show was meh. Jeremy Renner plays the character so well tho.
@Light-at-Dawn
@Light-at-Dawn Жыл бұрын
Jermy Rener once did a song parody where he sings about how he is also an Avenger. It is quite funny and touching
@strikerbowls791
@strikerbowls791 Жыл бұрын
Aged like milk
@quartzking3997
@quartzking3997 Жыл бұрын
The fact that you only care about him because of the accident shows how much you really give a shit
@jbearclowater
@jbearclowater Жыл бұрын
For me that classic Hawkeye costume is good in the comic, but I feel like it's a lot like the classic Captain America costume they used in the first Avengers movie: I don't think it would translate to screen really well.
@Vodopluy
@Vodopluy Жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed his show
@_The_Traveler_
@_The_Traveler_ Жыл бұрын
Loki's character development was the only thread I actually enjoyed out of the new Disney+ shows. He finally learned to accept his own flaws and the reality that he has no direction in life, kill his ego by accepting the pain of the people around him that he's affected, and learned to love himself for the first time in his life which in turn unlocks his ability to love others. Plus, it gave us one of the greatest supervillains the MCU has and will ever see. I loved every bit of it, felt like I was watching Legion all over again.
@Trickstar_
@Trickstar_ Жыл бұрын
What version of Loki series did you watch and where can I find it
@CJonesApple
@CJonesApple Жыл бұрын
There's tons of Hawkeye fans. And like 9/10 love Renner and as Hawkeye. We want more
@erubin100
@erubin100 Жыл бұрын
Fans: "Give us more hawkeye and black widow." Disney: "NAAAAHHHH! HERE'S MORE SUPER PEOPLE INSTEAD!"
@chadhenderson2922
@chadhenderson2922 Жыл бұрын
My favorite Hawkeye moment is still Jeremy Renner singing “Maybe I’m as Super as They Are” on Jimmy Fallon. I would have absolutely watched a show that felt like that. It was focused on him and how he proves his value among a horde of heroes while laughing at the gap between him and the others in a self-aware manner.
@LetThatStuffGo
@LetThatStuffGo Жыл бұрын
For years many do want more of Clint in the MCU. Watch that fantastic Ronin Japan fight scene in Avengers Endgame, there is so much more of Clint's story waiting to be told between Infinity War and Endgame for Hawkeye. There should have been an Agent Clint Barton movie, a Hawkeye movie, and a Ronin movie and they failed to leave out so much more of his past in the Hawkeye show. And they also had their chance to make a show better than Arrow season 1 and 2.
@positivetakes5592
@positivetakes5592 Жыл бұрын
I'll follow you up to a Hawkeye movie, other than that Marvel is chasing big and flashy buck$$
@coreyhaynes7951
@coreyhaynes7951 Жыл бұрын
Hawkeye was a really good show tbf haha. I get why other than that there's not really a big deal made about him but I think he's cool in the endgame samurai bit and the one where he calls out the fact that nothing makes sense. Don't think he's a great character like but you know. He's not horrible!
@ArkhamPatient1329
@ArkhamPatient1329 Жыл бұрын
Hawkeye is my absolute favorite superhero and I remember being so excited to see him on screen when reading the Fraction and Aja series in high school. It's really nice to see someone pointing out the feelings I've been trying to explain to anyone who would listen for literal years. Sometimes it feels like the MCU is just throwing in the same argument everyone gives when I say he's my favorite: "he just has a bow and arrow, what's he supposed to do?"
@zoebyrne7967
@zoebyrne7967 Жыл бұрын
This hasn't aged well
@Dannyboy31805
@Dannyboy31805 Жыл бұрын
Maybe a hot take but I actually really enjoyed Hawkeye and it might be my favorite of the Disney plus shows
@NextToToddliness
@NextToToddliness Жыл бұрын
For most of the franchise, we were just told to like Hawkeye without actually seeing why. He was essentially an action figure through most of the films. On top of that, they never really found ways to integrate him into a team full of gods & monsters. He's just a dude with a bow who's an easy target for jokes about how he's just a dude with a bow. What little character they gave him was phoned in and his show was too little too late. It has nothing to do with Renner and everything to do the studio not knowing what to do with him.
@christianinfinity8206
@christianinfinity8206 Жыл бұрын
I think the reason I love Hawkeye is because Captain America is my favorite. A grounded , skilled character with morals and a personality. Hawkeye’s humor is my type of humor.
@TheElectricMayhem
@TheElectricMayhem Жыл бұрын
Hawkeye was an excellent show, and Jeremy and Hailee have excellent chemistry. But before all that, and despite Renee’s displeasure for the mind-control intro he received, making him a remorseless killing machine was a great introduction to his superhuman abilities to stand him up against his future partners, before then giving him a pretty satisfying arc over the next handful of movies and his show. Clint was the one Avenger I absolutely didn’t want anything bad to happen to.
@Ra-Hul-K
@Ra-Hul-K Жыл бұрын
yeah.. the mind-control version really showed what he is actually capable of.. he was an important part of the team.. him calling out patterns and even giving advice to ironman during the fight scene in the first Avengers movie.. he took out Loki's chariot (tricked the trickster god for a sec. there).. in age of Ultron the brief conversation with his wife "..But I see those guys... those gods..." "You don't think they need me." "I think they do, which is a lot scarier."
@Mridul.S
@Mridul.S Жыл бұрын
Marvel completely wasted the characters of Hulk, Hawkeye and Natasha.
@dariaobrien
@dariaobrien Жыл бұрын
anyone else remeber unanimously headcanonised clint and natasha solo film budapest? 😢 those were the days
@JessicasASMR
@JessicasASMR Жыл бұрын
I think Hawkeye’s show is among the best of the marvel shows and really made Clint one of my favorite avengers
@TheTrueInsanity03
@TheTrueInsanity03 Жыл бұрын
haven’t watched the video yet. i but i literally watched rewatched Hawkeye last night and still holds up as one of the best Disney+ shows for me. great christmas adventure too
@positivetakes5592
@positivetakes5592 Жыл бұрын
Still holds up one whole year later?
@TheTrueInsanity03
@TheTrueInsanity03 Жыл бұрын
@@positivetakes5592 1 year and like three projects later yeah
@Noolnavellem
@Noolnavellem Жыл бұрын
I think he's my favourite avenger
@sebastian.stamour
@sebastian.stamour Жыл бұрын
100,000% my favorite Avenger
@bromyne
@bromyne Жыл бұрын
Hawkeye has always been my favorite comic book character. I started collecting comics when West Coast Avengers was first published (so obviously i am some sort of expert. hahaha). In my opinion, the MCU has always gotten Hawkeye wrong. They always portrayed him as a stoic soldier/spy/whatever, but the thing that always made Hawkeye so great in the comics, was his cocky and wisecracking confidence. Also he was a major hot-head for most of his early appearances. This made him was someone to step up and call out the "leaders" on the Avengers...thinking incorrectly... that he should be leading the team. Eventually he learned what true leadership was and was put in charge of the West Coast team (for better or worse). To me *that* should have been his arc. Having a young, wise cracking know it all, eventually learn to be a leader among gods and heros. Also, to see a cocky joking character go to the dark side after the SNAP would have been more shocking. But instead he started out as a stoic soldier, and then when things got bad...he became a murdering stoic soldier. Last thing and i will get off my rant...as much as i have grown to like Jeremy Renner as Hawkeye, i don't think he was ever the best choice for the part. My fan casting...stay with me here... would have been Sean William Scott.... yes i said it... Stiffler as Hawkeye. (Only my opinion please be kind youtube hahaha)
@Skippy_McDoo
@Skippy_McDoo Жыл бұрын
Great take, and yeah Sean William Scott looks just like comic Clint, I would have been down for that casting
@HoobtheNoob
@HoobtheNoob Жыл бұрын
Renner and Johansson hold the best scene in the whole MCU filmography when they are fighting each other on who will sacrifice themselves. It’s the most emotional and well acted scene IMO
@Chalwa
@Chalwa Жыл бұрын
After the accident, we do now…
@tomeknguyen9840
@tomeknguyen9840 Жыл бұрын
Maybe I'm biased, but I remember Hawkeye show more for the Polish tracksuit mafia guy more than the titular character. We kidnapped you, rozumiesz? You're our hostage now, rozumiesz to?
@JoaquinBauman
@JoaquinBauman Жыл бұрын
I loved him in Age of Ultron, Endgame and Hawkeye. Both Hawkeye and Black Widow should've gotten movies before phase 4
@darktenor4967
@darktenor4967 Жыл бұрын
I first heard of hawkeye in the sega mega drive (genesis), Captain America and the avengers walk along beatemup and partial shooter game which I played back in the nineties. In that game, Captain America's shield acted like a boomerang, Iron man had laser blasts and the highest health, Vision had lasers like Iron man but was a little faster and less well armoured, but could do flying kicks across the screen, and Hawkeye had the lowest health, the weakest weapon, and a slide attack that was supposed to dodge projectiles, but usually just ended up getting him hit a lot. guess which character I played the least :D.
@KustarKnight
@KustarKnight Жыл бұрын
It feels like all of the Hawkeye character development (grieving his family and becoming the Ronin, then later learning to accept Black Widow's death) all happens off-screen. without seeing the moments that make him who he is, how are we supposed to care about him? Also even though he doesn't have powers like most of the others it often looks like he doesn't even need to put effort into what he does, making him look "cool" but making him less relatable
@wwCs49
@wwCs49 Жыл бұрын
magic of written story being lost because the people adapting it just don't get it and the "creative cowardice of not respecting characters." now where have i heard that before...
@Housewarmin
@Housewarmin Жыл бұрын
The way they transformed Wanda from twin in the end credits, into side character, into a tv series in WandaVision, and then into a villian... is the type of development we need for Hawkeye
@TaekLuutzen
@TaekLuutzen Жыл бұрын
I think that the MCU screwed itself with Infinity War and Endgame back to back. I think that if the let the five year gap play out in real time they could’ve made movies and shows dealing with the loss of half of all people and focus on lesser known characters with new heroes stepping up to the plate and then after five years they should’ve done Endgame. Now everything is half-assed
@iamidnight9731
@iamidnight9731 Жыл бұрын
Hawkeye is my guy. And the show was also lit.
@adamstruwing8509
@adamstruwing8509 10 ай бұрын
Hawkeye: gets mind controlled, becomes an avenger with literally just a bow, watches his best friend kill herself for him, loses his entire family, becomes a literal ninja, his family comes back, all of the hawkeye show, his dead best friends sister tries to kill him, etc. This guy: no development here
@happinesshotel5375
@happinesshotel5375 Жыл бұрын
I have a feeling people are going to be caring a whole lot more now! Lol
@jts8053
@jts8053 Жыл бұрын
Clint was my favorite MCU Avenger and Renner is probably the strongest actor in that lineup as well (him or SJo).
@amai_zing
@amai_zing Жыл бұрын
I feel like the way Hawkeye has been written in the MCU, stuff happens around him and to him, but he has very little agency and does very little to progress the story himself. The series did a little better job at that, but it seemed largely to elevate Bishop and to give him something of an exit - too little too late
@agrumpymonkey5800
@agrumpymonkey5800 Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately Disney was more concerned about introducing Kate Bishop, than they were with telling a story about Jeremy Renner’s Hawkeye The comic book series is the only reason this Live-action TV show actually worked. The best parts of the show was from the comic books and the only reason I actually watched this show. It’s a shame that Disney ruined another good character
@nicolasp8pl
@nicolasp8pl Жыл бұрын
Yeah... Introducing Kate, Echo and Kate-Yelena relationship was way more important for them than exploring Clint Barton..
@Gadget-Walkmen
@Gadget-Walkmen Жыл бұрын
Lol what?! Speak for yourself because I MASSIVELY care about Hawkeye entirely as I absolutely ADORED him with his Christmas Special show last year. That was INCREDIBLE Christmas special for the character of Hawkeye and Kate Bishop (except for how they handled kingpin, that could have been done ALOT better and differently) working a a great tribute revival interest towards the character, something that you’re not getting here when you made such ridiculous claim statement that “we don’t care about Hawkeye anymore” lol Most other people do. It’s unbelievable how negative this channel has been being lately towards the MCU and other media lately like this. I get the MCU isn’t perfect and has its faults at times but Hawkeye isn’t one of them. This channel, man. Jeez, it’s like their riding the thread of being negative brings in more views just for the sake of it.
@brendankyle7309
@brendankyle7309 3 ай бұрын
I loved the Hawkeye show yes I understand the complaints that Kate Bishop took more of the spotlight but it does make sense. Like Hawkeye is an aging dude, he doesn’t want to be in the fight anymore and just wants to be with his fam. I think the show gives him a great arc and explores a lot of how he dealt with the ronin stuff
@nbabackcourtmedia
@nbabackcourtmedia Жыл бұрын
Hawkeye is my favorite marvel character, hopefully he gets some good content in the future
@LetThatStuffGo
@LetThatStuffGo Жыл бұрын
There's always cosplayers of him at Comic Cons. I am grateful Hawkeye got to shine in Endgame and AoU. For more him, all they need to do is focus more in the character than anything else, make a Hawkeye / Ronin movie in the style of John Wick, Ninja Assassin, Logan, and Mission: Impossible. Yes, rated R like Blade. And the budget doesn't need to be huge like the 2016 Deadpool movie. There is so much more to do with the unappreciated Hawkeye character.
@Jokervision744
@Jokervision744 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, this video puts it well. I think he could work as anchor for the avengers, someone who grounds the game, so that it doesn't just turn into abstract art.
@marydewitt9623
@marydewitt9623 Жыл бұрын
He never could compete with godlike super powers. So, though excellent at his skillset, he could not help but be relegated to the background among those who did. And then, he was kind of the last survivor standing. Everyone else dead or missing in outer space, other dimensions,etc. it did not help he went legit insane after the snap over the loss of his family. And never really addressed the trauma of that. Even when everyone was restored. And they made him deaf to add insult to injury. And replaced him with a precocious young thang. It’s understandable if the character has lost his mojo at this point.
@witchrich2365
@witchrich2365 Жыл бұрын
We should have gotten a Black Widow movie to show their origins as a duo. Would have made the both of them much more well-rounded
@jamesandrews975
@jamesandrews975 Жыл бұрын
I think his weapon is actually very tactical, since you can't attach string to a bullet and have it stick into a target unless you use darts, which are rarely more powerful than a nerf gun, or an explosive in a bullet without it exploding
@dustinpaulson1123
@dustinpaulson1123 Жыл бұрын
Clint has been the most relatable character, and my most favorite part of the MCU. I think after the D+ Hawkeye series, he deserves a break with his family while Kate Bishop carries the mantle.
@RandomHer03
@RandomHer03 Жыл бұрын
Avengers 2 made him one of my favourites and I loved his Disney plus show.
@jackthegeat2234
@jackthegeat2234 7 ай бұрын
I would love to see hawkeye be a mentor figure to the next gen avengers. he has the training, the experience, and the wisdom to pull it off.
@thegamingtreestump1872
@thegamingtreestump1872 Жыл бұрын
As a big fan of fraction’s writing and specifically Aja and Fractions’s hawkeye, I was so pumped for this show, but I was ultimately bummed out. I liked the little references and there were some scenes that came straight out of the book, but whatever I guess.
@noyou2020
@noyou2020 Жыл бұрын
7:14 right here is the key statement. The show was about making us like the new character using the established character as someone to move the plot
@mskitty666
@mskitty666 Жыл бұрын
Clint is one of my favourites, I always wish we got to see him more
@ihaveaplan.ijustneedmoney.9777
@ihaveaplan.ijustneedmoney.9777 Жыл бұрын
They were too afraid to make a modern rendition of his comicbook costume. Thet could've easily made a similar looking outfit to Owlman, but they just made him a two-in-one spy bundle with Black Widow. 😂
@positivetakes5592
@positivetakes5592 Жыл бұрын
Owlman costume (and the costume work in Watchmen in general) is painfully underrated
@masukuma
@masukuma Жыл бұрын
I actually really like the MCU HawkEye! There are some heart felt performances like when Clint Discoverers that the family has been blipped… that was moving.
@EdwardBova
@EdwardBova Жыл бұрын
@Nerdstalgic I have a great idea for your next video if you have not done it already is over review/history, lesson of Superman: Year One Novel by Frank Miller and John Romita Jr. and will James Gunn, and Peter saffron turn this graphic novel into their vision of a superman movie?
@hebermonteiro1
@hebermonteiro1 Жыл бұрын
What you're talking about? Hawkeye is my favorite avenger since Age of Ultron. I think he's one of, if not the most compelling character in the MCU!
@deanslater684
@deanslater684 Жыл бұрын
Fun experiment could be: Who else would ya have cast for this character and to what extent if any might it serve the cause?
@accurateoutrage
@accurateoutrage 11 ай бұрын
Hawkeye is my favorite. I love AoU because of Clint. He isn't flashy, he doesn't have superpowers, and yet, he is one of the best heroes because of those things. He is just a regular guy doing his best and will never back down even when the odds are overwhelming.
@JeremyLeech
@JeremyLeech Жыл бұрын
Maybe YOU didn’t care about him. I’ve always like Hawkeye
@taylorgayhart9497
@taylorgayhart9497 Жыл бұрын
Uhm “we”?!?! Don’t include me in this, he has been my favorite for YEARS!!!!
@acidsugarz
@acidsugarz Жыл бұрын
Well, for those who know, now we care about Jeremy... 😓
@MrBazBake
@MrBazBake Жыл бұрын
Clint has always been as popular in the MCU as he was in the comics before Fraction's run. Make of that what you will. *shrug* Also the best Hawkeye story, My Life As A Weapon, ends with him not having his traditional Hawkeye costume but the one in the show... so it doesn't seem disrespectful to ignore his really badly-designed costume with the goofy mask...
@johnstrawb3521
@johnstrawb3521 Жыл бұрын
In 2023 I'd rather see a Hawkeye flick with Renner than any other Avenger (okay, maybe Hulk, but only in Planet Hulk). He's easily the best actor of the lot, tied with Downey Jr., and seeing a character get by largely on his wits is absorbing, to say the least. I don't need the world to be at stake to enjoy a superhero movie, just intelligence at work, good writing and good acting. Cheers,
@PolarisCastillo
@PolarisCastillo Жыл бұрын
Thank you for showing ARROW some love! 🏹
@StiggusRattus
@StiggusRattus 8 ай бұрын
Clint has been my favourite since day one 🏹 💜
@cainelso5291
@cainelso5291 Жыл бұрын
my favorite marvel scene is that scene when hawkk talk to wanda on age of ultron about the flying city and he has a bow and arrow
@agapewithadot
@agapewithadot Жыл бұрын
I loved Hawkeye in everything but his show. I think Hawkeye would’ve worked better if his series had come before the first avengers movie. But with all the spectacle that literally every other mcu property has had… i couldn’t make it past episode 2 especially because kate bishop seemed to be the primary focus of those first two episodes and based on what I’ve seen in the comments section, he’s essentially used as a prop for kate bishop instead of standing on his own as a character.
@RJKYEG
@RJKYEG Жыл бұрын
It's okay that we didn't get to see a ton of Hawkeye in the MCU, it's fine that there are Avengers characters that are in the supporting character role. The writers gave Clint some great moments, the Hawkeye TV show was pretty good. The one thing I would change retrospectively is that there should have been a Black Widow movie prior to Infinity War, it should have been a spy-thriller-action flick centred on Black Widow, Hawkeye, and ... I don't know, some other lower tier hero.
@hisokamorow6709
@hisokamorow6709 Жыл бұрын
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes' Clit was what I envision MCU Hawkeye to be. We got a series with his name, but very little of him in it, a real shame I liked the actor since I first saw him in MD House. And the character was always the odd man one, which we all can sympathise with. Such a shame that they haven't fleshed him out properly. Can't ask much more out of the M-She-U.
@fahimalfaisal7781
@fahimalfaisal7781 Жыл бұрын
Just say you’re a utter pathetic misogynist and move on asshole !
@hisokamorow6709
@hisokamorow6709 Жыл бұрын
@@fahimalfaisal7781 "tell me how you really feel"
@fortcastellan1730
@fortcastellan1730 Жыл бұрын
EMH Hawkeye was exactly what we should have gotten in the MCU. His attitude in Age of Ultron was the only time he ever came close to being the real character. He wasn't a bad character, mind you, just not Hawkeye...
@CapeRides
@CapeRides Жыл бұрын
Jeremy Renner is an amazing actor since Hurt Locker, in the mcu his as realistic as it gets. And Hailee is gorgeous
@ibechuu9695
@ibechuu9695 Жыл бұрын
HE NEEDED an origin story start in the MCU.
@tylerharris2430
@tylerharris2430 Жыл бұрын
i loved hawkeye, it was a really good street level marvel story
@stapuft
@stapuft Жыл бұрын
just because you dont, doesnt mean NO ONE does. hes fucking awesome!
@meganspalletta-ferrari6638
@meganspalletta-ferrari6638 Жыл бұрын
I used to enjoy Hawkeye until my best friend basically shoved him down my throat. Like I get it, he’s the best avenger, and it dominated our entire friendship. I can honestly say Hawkeye has a dedicated fan base, and Renner is a god in her eyes
@TheHumanPurpleTape
@TheHumanPurpleTape Жыл бұрын
ngl I love Renner's Hawkeye. The show was one of my favorite MCU things post-Endgame. A lot of the assumptions made in this video had me like "Says who?".
@magicdance4273
@magicdance4273 Жыл бұрын
I didn't/don't care about hawkeye because there's nothing he brings to the table that someone else can't do better. Spycraft? Tony can literally hack into anything or make stealth drones. Precision? Tony again, that power source allows for variable output. Intimidation? The giant, unkillable rage demon can probably scare information out of people. Leadership? Captain fuckmothering America is right there, with tactics honed in war. Like, at the end of the day, he and Black Widow are better at desks, parsing through documents and information stolen by Tony/Bruce/Steve. They're baseline humans. They probably got some kind of super-cancer from inhaling all that dust from the buildings during the NY invasion. And would've been shredded by shrapnel. My favorite Clint moment was when he was emotionally destroyed by his family getting dusted. It was hilarious to see him destroyed like that.
@damongray5763
@damongray5763 Жыл бұрын
Me, whose favorite Avenger is Hawkeye 😢
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