Why Don't We Make Cars Like This Any More??

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Jack goes for a drive in an old Citroen that's really neither old, nor a Citroen. The creation of Bristol-based 2CV shop, 'Evie' is brand new electric delivery van, and a masterclass in lightweight simplicity. Could this charming van offer a valuable lesson or two to modern car makers?
00:00 Intro
01:32 Meet Evie!
03:46 2CV history
04:27 The party piece
05:11 Built to order
07:40 The joy of simplicity
08:46 Interior
10:52 Speed run
11:18 Charging
12:31 Cargo area
12:50 How much?
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@JackScarlett1
@JackScarlett1 10 ай бұрын
So tell me gang, which old car is your personal dream EV conversion? I'll have a bagged and chopped 1964 Lincoln Continental convertible thanks very much.
@simonpaine2347
@simonpaine2347 10 ай бұрын
For me it would have to be a Mk2 Cortina 16E . Fantastic memories ❤️ 👌
@rosserobertolli
@rosserobertolli 10 ай бұрын
NSU prinz 4! I have owned 2cv's since college, but they are just not that aero, quite high, impractical boot and bonnet space and the drivetrain configuration doesn't lend itself too much for ev conversions. I still wanted to convert my 2cv though, until I discovered the NSU: rear wheel drive with rear motor, boxy spaces in front and back, as narrow as the 2cv but lower and less draggy design choices. Still have to find the time and remaining funds though! But 100Wh/km seems achievable
@JimT-RCT
@JimT-RCT 10 ай бұрын
It would have to be a morris minor convertible for me. Or for a more practical car, a W201 (190e) merc
@antmoto6668
@antmoto6668 10 ай бұрын
TVR Tuscan Challenge Race car. 90's... does that count as old?
@IJayAmLegend
@IJayAmLegend 10 ай бұрын
I think a Saab 96, or a Skoda Estelle would be, er, interesting.
@XanderMarjoram
@XanderMarjoram 10 ай бұрын
I'm aware that low price usually comes with economies of scale, but you have to have a fair bit of cash to throw around for £40k to be "affordable", especially considering you only get 10kWh of battery. I'd love there to be more cars like this but they should really be in the £15k bracket for regular people to be able to use them.
@baronvonjo1929
@baronvonjo1929 10 ай бұрын
I swear automakers have just lost the plot. Even 15k is a way too expensive. Cars at that price are always crappy too. We cannot afford these things anymore. I see a growing movement of anti car content all over the internet. If automakers don't provide affordable cars they will just kill themselves. Less and less young people are being born. They cannot afford cars. They have little interest in cars. In a few decades the car market might shrink dramatically
@air7tv
@air7tv 10 ай бұрын
What dream world is Jack living in? This car is total crap and very expensive.
@andreasmuller7746
@andreasmuller7746 9 ай бұрын
I wonder how much it would cost, if produced in larger quantities. As a daily driver this car would be great for me, but the price is way too much for a private person.
@agrameroldoctane_66
@agrameroldoctane_66 9 ай бұрын
5 years ago that conversion costed 5000 euro. Now thanks to Greta commie sect it costs 8 times that.
@unconventionalideas5683
@unconventionalideas5683 9 ай бұрын
It might be good for a business doing urban deliveries, for example.
@richardrush613
@richardrush613 9 ай бұрын
I drove an original 3CV in West Africa for five months in 1970. Everything imaginable went wrong with the car. With very few mechanics available, I had to learn how to fix it myself. I even completely dismantled the engine one morning. Top speed was about 50 mph down hill. I rolled it one morning on a muddy road in the rain. The car was so light, we just reached down and lifted back over! One day I had four flat tires simultaneously! My oh my. I loved that car!
@DuncanHewitt70
@DuncanHewitt70 9 ай бұрын
As a student I remember getting blocked in by two cars parking too close front and back at the side of the road. We got back to the 2CV to find it had inches of space front and back, so we just lifted it out. That and my old smart cabrio were the best cars I've ever had (I say "I" - the 2CV was my dad's, he loved it as much as I did).
@martinuso7446
@martinuso7446 9 ай бұрын
You rolled it? Then you won a new one! Citroen had a wager about getting one on its roof. Its quite impossible to do that apparently since nobody won the wager..
@jirislavicek9954
@jirislavicek9954 9 ай бұрын
Don't buy cars beginning with F: Ford, Fiat and anything French 🙈
@LetsChillPage
@LetsChillPage 4 ай бұрын
jirislavicek9954, The French tell you: “Va te Faire Foutre…” 👈😎With two capital F. Or "What a Fair Foot," with the English accent. 😋😊
@tonyduncan9852
@tonyduncan9852 3 ай бұрын
A 2CV would always finish a long journey without needing a portable phone. Same went for the Morris Minor. And you needed those skills.
@stanja28
@stanja28 10 ай бұрын
If these were offered in the states.... I'd jump on one so fast... This is so much cooler than literally everything new offered for sale today
@stanja28
@stanja28 10 ай бұрын
Seriously I'm so sick of these bloated gigantic monstrosities... I want an original vw GTI, or first Gen civic... Or geo metro... We love in a very sad automotive market.
@OdyTypeR
@OdyTypeR 10 ай бұрын
If these were offered in the states, they would come with a 25mph speed limiter. Still want one?
@marresjepie1887
@marresjepie1887 9 ай бұрын
@@OdyTypeR For deliveries in a city center? Count me in. And 25mph? Unlikely they’d keep it at that. The mopeds I see putt-putting around in, say, Miami, usually go closer to 35mph than the legal max of 30mph. 😋 I guess it’ll depend on the State Yer in.
@Ps35176
@Ps35176 9 ай бұрын
Import it under the 25 year rule. As long as the paperwork says it's an old car, you can get it registered.
@frglee
@frglee 10 ай бұрын
Absolute little beauty! Imagine if these were the same price of a new 2CV6 in 1975 (£994 or £7,348 adjusted for inflation in June 2023).
@tmarritt
@tmarritt 10 ай бұрын
I would buy one immediately. I'm guess it's not possible tho or it would have be done.
@ehombane
@ehombane 10 ай бұрын
I agree. The concept is fantastic. But the price makes it just an toy for the spoiled rich. How much is it. Double than a Tesla???
@bentp4891
@bentp4891 10 ай бұрын
You'll be lucky. They cost over 40 grand. It's just a rich persons novelty toy.
@Darkest_matter
@Darkest_matter 10 ай бұрын
I'd buy one at £995 for sure!
@globalist1990
@globalist1990 10 ай бұрын
@@Darkest_matteri'd buy two😂
@gerry343
@gerry343 10 ай бұрын
'Simplify, then add lightness' according to Colin Chapman of Lotus. This is a great example of that design philosophy. Price is rather steep for such a vehicle though.
@lutherblissett9070
@lutherblissett9070 10 ай бұрын
Hand made cars are never gonna be price competitive
@skfalpink123
@skfalpink123 10 ай бұрын
One of the most practical EVs I've seen, and one I would definitely invest in. Sadly, I suspect the market will continue towards ever larger EV SUVs (needing ever larger battery packs), until we end up with "family cars" that exceed ten tons.
@johnwinters4201
@johnwinters4201 10 ай бұрын
Their electric 2CV conversion always struck me as slightly pointless - who is it for? - but this one makes perfect sense. For a business doing local deliveries in an urban area (particularly a posh one) it would be excellent. A sign-written one of these pottering about Henley or Chelsea would make perfect advertising.
@WonkoTheSaneUK
@WonkoTheSaneUK 10 ай бұрын
Especially since it's ULEZ-compliant. I could easily see it parked outside (and advertising) an artisanal bakery or coffee shop.
@bw1376
@bw1376 10 ай бұрын
@@WonkoTheSaneUK A classic one with a petrol one is also ULEZ-compliant and can be used for similar purposes.
@alanoliver3578
@alanoliver3578 10 ай бұрын
In the 2CV user manual, of the car we owned, it stated that the 0 to 60 speed was ‘NA’ (Not Applicable)
@marresjepie1887
@marresjepie1887 9 ай бұрын
Tested it when I learned driving in it with my dad : 28 seconds with a bit of wind in the back, 36 seconds heading into the wind.. and a big chance You’d never get at 60mp/h 🤣 (2cv6 Spéciale really was ‘special.. )
@ukslim
@ukslim 10 ай бұрын
£8,000 gets you a Citroen Ami Cargo... Somewhat smaller. But for those around-city flower shop delivery scenarios, it's in a similar niche. And its shape is a great for branding decals etc.
@ukslim
@ukslim 10 ай бұрын
Or under £20k for an MEV Cargo, 60 mile range, 50mph max. Big flat back and sides to take branding. But it's not as much of a talking point, and that's the real value of the 2CV I feel.
@JustWasted3HoursHere
@JustWasted3HoursHere 10 ай бұрын
I like the fact that additional batteries can be added for more range.
@BMWHP2
@BMWHP2 10 ай бұрын
Same goes for the Xbus from Electric brands. you can add 3 times the basic version. Nice EV. We had a look at it in Germany. Will be build starting the end of 2023 at VDL in Netherlands.
@popefang
@popefang 10 ай бұрын
because its useless without them
@BMWHP2
@BMWHP2 10 ай бұрын
@@popefang No, those EV's are not "useless without them". Many people dont ride a longer distance than 15mls a day. Those cars were build for the people in the small (often mountain region) villages, that only needed to go to the larger towns once or twice times a week. 30mls back and forth was and still is enough for them. Even is 2023, most people do not ride more than 30mls a day, and can charge at home. But for €40k the price is way to high. In 1972, as young starters, we could afford a 2CV. Today, with much more money to spend, we cant afford a €40k car.
@Indy_at_the_beach
@Indy_at_the_beach 10 ай бұрын
The price makes abundant sense for a delivery business not only in running cost efficiency but for the PR value.
@solentbum
@solentbum 10 ай бұрын
In the 1960's we had our bread delivered twice a week in a small van. This CVE looks right for a similar job. Flowers, Bread, Fish, Parcels, etc.
@marresjepie1887
@marresjepie1887 9 ай бұрын
As I understand it from the designer, that was exàctly the point. PR value of a historic car doing deliveries, or even just standing in front of a bussiness, cannot be underestimated. Added to that the relatively cheap running costs of electric. Now waiting for someone that restores and electrifies Morris delivery vans. I bet there’s allready someone bent over the engine compartment of a Morris delivery, pondering how to fit an electric power-package in it.
@anxiousearth680
@anxiousearth680 8 ай бұрын
​@@marresjepie1887Huh, do people really like old cars that much? Pretty neat.
@subbbass
@subbbass 9 ай бұрын
i love this concept. Light, great design, no BS. Should be more affordable.
@cmac3530
@cmac3530 10 ай бұрын
The flat roof combined with the small battery should make this a great candidate for solar panels on the roof to recharge.
@JackScarlett1
@JackScarlett1 10 ай бұрын
Very good shout
@pioter-ji1bo
@pioter-ji1bo 10 ай бұрын
It's too small of a surface to bring any significant energy from sun
@cmac3530
@cmac3530 10 ай бұрын
​@@pioter-ji1bo The Sono Sion, Lightyear 0 and 2 and the Hyundai Sonata Hybrid all beg to differ and should all have less flat roof space than this vehicle.
@pau1phi11ips
@pau1phi11ips 10 ай бұрын
​@@pioter-ji1boit's only a 10kWh battery. I have 7kWh in my campervan. I have 600W of solar and can get nearly 4kWh per day in summer.
@geirmyrvagnes8718
@geirmyrvagnes8718 10 ай бұрын
@@pau1phi11ips You should get (rough and questionable envelope math) about 1 kWh of solar on a nice day. That is 10 % charge in this thing. That is not insignificant.
@niklaswejedal463
@niklaswejedal463 10 ай бұрын
Three of my favorite things combined: 2CVs, small vans and EVs - WANT!!!
@jwinte
@jwinte 10 ай бұрын
It does my heart good to see this beautifully eccentric classic having new life breathed into it.
@JackScarlett1
@JackScarlett1 10 ай бұрын
Absolutely. Especially ones like the 2CV where the original engine was, while characterful, nothing to write home about
@tomp4944
@tomp4944 9 ай бұрын
@@JackScarlett1 But this is NOT "having new life breathed into it" -- This is a new car. It's a dangerous, overly-heavy new car. There's no reason why they should ape the look of the 2CV when they could get the same function lighter and cheaper.
@gor86
@gor86 10 ай бұрын
Wicked love it. I’d buy one but not 40k. Would suit an Artisan craft bakery, milk delivery, brewery, mobile coffee shop etc vibes
@JackScarlett1
@JackScarlett1 10 ай бұрын
My thoughts exactly.
@front2427
@front2427 9 ай бұрын
@@JackScarlett1 This is a van for Lenzie.
@human_brian
@human_brian 10 ай бұрын
This car/van is just spectacular. If I ever get the opportunity to move to rural France, I'd have one of these in my garage in a heartbeat. It has so much personality and quirk that I'd just love it to bits.
@davidcolin6519
@davidcolin6519 10 ай бұрын
I doubt that you'd be able to register it. You couldn't register it as a new car because of type approval, and you couldn't register it as an old one, because it's not. This kind of thing is possible in the UK, and was always possible because the UK had a type approval exemption for small/home builders. But they may have been legal in the UK, just not in the rest of continental Europe. And when the UK rejoins the EU, the almost certain probability is that the exemption will be lost, in just the same way as the UK's veto will not b given back. Just another example of how bloody stupid Brexit was.
@marquisdemoo1792
@marquisdemoo1792 10 ай бұрын
@@davidcolin6519 The veto had all but gone by the time we left. When did we use it? For the stability of the Euro the 5 Presidents Report makes it quite clear that Fiscal Union is required to stabilize the Euro and that requires central budgets. That in turn requires Political Union to agree the budget, which cannot be held to ransom by a national veto. If we re-join we would have the same veto rights as any other member country; what is more likely is that we would have to give up Sterling and accept the Euro as a condition of membership.
@davidcolin6519
@davidcolin6519 10 ай бұрын
@@marquisdemoo1792 "The veto had all but gone by the time we left." That's BS. It is still important. And the veto is used by those who have it, all the time. the point is not to actually use it, but the threat of being able to use it is enough to know that legislation isn't even put forward. "For the stability of the Euro the 5 Presidents Report makes it quite clear that Fiscal Union is required to stabilize the Euro and that requires central budgets. That in turn requires Political Union to agree the budget, which cannot be held to ransom by a national veto." Yet the veto exists, as do national governments. Political union doesn't preclude national governments, as seems to be your implication, just look at the USA. "If we re-join we would have the same veto rights as any other member country; " Jeez, considering you claim to understand so much of how the EU operates, you are impressively uninformed. The only veto power that new EU members have is to veto the membership of applicant countries. Of course the UK would have to agree to accept the €uro... eventually. Just as every other joining member of the Eu has to agree in principle to joining the €uro. But you can ask how all those other monetary units survive, and the answer is simple, they claim that they don't meet the requirements. Personally, I do not understand your objection to abandoning Sterling for a much, much stronger currency, but then I don't understand the UK's objection to ID cards. I live with both and see the advantages literally every day.
@AlexOnABoat
@AlexOnABoat 10 ай бұрын
​@@davidcolin6519I'm pretty certain you could, as a heavy quadricycle, the same way that the French company NoSmoke produce an electric Mini Moke.
@kooooons
@kooooons 10 ай бұрын
Love that they introduced him as "Jacques" in the beginning 😂
@Rakadeja
@Rakadeja 10 ай бұрын
Cannot handle how adorable these are! Having one of these in a rural area? On a farm??? Bringing food to the local farmers' market???????? - now that's the dream.
@Sergio_Loureiro
@Sergio_Loureiro 9 ай бұрын
6:18 There was a 4WD version, the Sahara, which had an additional engine on the rear. You could even see this from outside of the car: the metal in the rear had a perforated area, acting like an air ventilation grille; and the spare tire was exposed outside in the front, over the hood. They only produced 694 units of this version, and I think the main market for them was Iran.
@completelyboringstuff204
@completelyboringstuff204 9 ай бұрын
From the sides it was easy to recognize by the gas fillers which were routed through holes in driver and passenger doors. You were sitting on one gas tank each!
@TheWinjin
@TheWinjin 6 ай бұрын
I wonder if they still run around Iran too... I'm 100% sure there's some grumpy grandpa who got Sahara from his dad and will never, ever, swap it for a different car.
@ElectricCarAustralia
@ElectricCarAustralia 9 ай бұрын
Just ❤ this video! Well done Jack, reminding us you don't need all the bells n whistles to have a functional, practical and efficient EV. 👍
@dougzirkle5951
@dougzirkle5951 10 ай бұрын
I really like it, but it seems a little pricey to me for what you get. More of these lightweights…please!
@colinpalmer9070
@colinpalmer9070 10 ай бұрын
Was dying to get one for my wife who is a huge 2cv fan. But the price and battery size were just not good enough. Ended up with the Fiat500e cabriolet for that funky roll down roof experience. £30k and 200 miles of range. It is a joy in the summer.
@recumbentrocks2929
@recumbentrocks2929 10 ай бұрын
Love it! I hope they get lots of orders and go into production with this "lovely" little van.
@Slugsie1
@Slugsie1 10 ай бұрын
£40K? £40,000? !?!?! You can't be serious. I was thinking initially £25K, and that would still be expensive for such a car. But £40K. Hahahahahahaha.
@MrAdopado
@MrAdopado 10 ай бұрын
It isn't 40k ... it's 40k+vat that's £48000 to you sir.
@FlyingFun.
@FlyingFun. 10 ай бұрын
Yeah they live in a different world us normal folk.😂
@geirmyrvagnes8718
@geirmyrvagnes8718 10 ай бұрын
@@FlyingFun. This is not for normal folk. This is for making your business look cool. It's a hand built custom vehicle.
@shhhyouknowhoo3753
@shhhyouknowhoo3753 10 ай бұрын
Hand built, custom built, fully tax deductible (for now at least) business asset. Good for them. What a niche!
@calmeilles
@calmeilles 10 ай бұрын
I love it! ❤ And I would love to have one. In the Charleston black and rouge delage colours. Super efficient, low weight, moderate range is *_exactly_* what is needed for last-mile delivery and local order fulfilment jobs.
@markusnl
@markusnl 10 ай бұрын
Merci pour le video Jacques! (and the rest of le team of course!)
@Cameramancan
@Cameramancan 10 ай бұрын
Loved the presentation and the van!🇨🇦
@grahamguest142
@grahamguest142 10 ай бұрын
It's a new electric people carrier we desperately need!
@toyotaprius79
@toyotaprius79 10 ай бұрын
Toyota has you a self charging bridge to sell ...
@grahamguest142
@grahamguest142 10 ай бұрын
@@toyotaprius79 I have a Citroen grand space tourer, it's the perfect car, apart from the fact it's diesel. I want something exactly the same but powered by volts !
@jezza6575
@jezza6575 10 ай бұрын
Not if you value your time and life!
@piercelawless2654
@piercelawless2654 10 ай бұрын
No it's not 💀
@LordElpme
@LordElpme 10 ай бұрын
Volvo and Renault both have EMPVs on the way.
@sheer64
@sheer64 10 ай бұрын
wish they were mass produced, I would love an electric mazda tribute which would resolve 99% of the orginal problems plus a small brake upgrade.
@JackScarlett1
@JackScarlett1 10 ай бұрын
Oh yes!!
@roodick85
@roodick85 10 ай бұрын
There's a guy building the Ford variant here somewhere. I forgot his name but it's a lengthy project
@miepmaster25
@miepmaster25 10 ай бұрын
You're not concerned about crash safety? They crush like tin cans especially with some load in the back, and I believe the steering even turns into a spear if it's hit hard enough!!!
@marresjepie1887
@marresjepie1887 9 ай бұрын
The first bit? Yes. However, the steering wheel collapses nicely. No spearing. (Front-totalled a2cv once) Broke a thumb and got some glass cuts. That was it. Poor Ugly Ducky was a mess of crumpled tin plates. The thing is, it’s só unbelievably light, that the bigger risk is getting catapulted across the lanes, or into a crevasse when hit with a bigger, heavier car. Beats rolling over and getting crushed in a big-ass SUV that’s “considered safer” @@miepmaster25
@sionbenjamin4513
@sionbenjamin4513 10 ай бұрын
Back to basics and wonderful at that. Yes, would love that quirky 4 gear I once had years ago, why not? Love the fun of getting from A to B and getting smiles from everyone! Love it!
@kevinphillips9408
@kevinphillips9408 10 ай бұрын
Oh this brings back so many wonderful memories.
@troyboy4345
@troyboy4345 10 ай бұрын
Fan bloody tastic vehicle, love it !
@johnhorton1516
@johnhorton1516 10 ай бұрын
Damn it, I absolutely love it. But at £40,000, I can't see myself buying one. (I was secretly hoping for about £20,000)
@ChromeFlakes
@ChromeFlakes 10 ай бұрын
Scraping you off the road with a spatula. 🤣🤣🤣 premium content Jack. Always a joy!
@ambassadorfromreality1125
@ambassadorfromreality1125 10 ай бұрын
A Citroen 2 CV brought me and my wife together 40 years ago. A long long story. However the main memory was the way they dipped the headlights in those days. At 6:30 in the video you can see the headlights fixed to the ends of a long bar. The headlights were dipped by rotating the bar forward a bit by means of a cable from the cabin. Brilliant
@jerbear7952
@jerbear7952 9 ай бұрын
I won't be crude but not many people have had THAT experience from driving a 2cv 😂
@paulaspinall919
@paulaspinall919 10 ай бұрын
Superb. Lightweight par excellence. To all the naysayers who question the collision safety my lovely late dad always said the safest car to drive for occupants and pedestrians had a six inch nail protruding from the centre of the steering wheel. Tanks are best used in warfare or taking the kids to school in Kensington .
@JackScarlett1
@JackScarlett1 10 ай бұрын
😂not sure Euro NCAP would agree but I understand and appreciate the sentiment. And I do agree, those giant SUVs subconsciously make for less careful drivers!
@olavl8827
@olavl8827 10 ай бұрын
The way I heard this joke was: cars would be a lot safer if instead of an airbag, a bayonet would shoot out the steering wheel in an accident.
@Kishgofu
@Kishgofu 10 ай бұрын
This is true but doesn't work in reality because if Karen is driving the kids (harvey and kyler) to school in the Wankpanzer while doing her makeup then it doesn't matter how carefully you're driving. Still gonna get squished.
@origin178
@origin178 9 ай бұрын
It's a deathtrap, simply because every other car on the road has decades of impact protection research built in. This feeble can will always lose, taking your legs with it.
@georgejohnson1498
@georgejohnson1498 10 ай бұрын
Dear Jack, So my favourite EV to date is the Microlino. Well this is the potential new star for me. Simple, functional and characterful. The problem is the price! Perhaps an electrified Volvo Duette [van with windows] might suit me! Best wishes from George
@bernardausterberry9795
@bernardausterberry9795 9 ай бұрын
Great report. Always loved the design, the ribs on hood are iconic. These and the Beetle with their long production runs proved classic trumps fancy. I live in a high rise apartment complex which is a issue with electrics. Still the report was, is excellent.
@p.f.5718
@p.f.5718 10 ай бұрын
omg my beloved 2 CV - I lamented to my husband remembering this car after selling a new other electric car a week before, that the new cars have no character as e.g. the old Beatle or 2CV. 😂 I bought the wrong car 🤣 By the way - the best reaction about cars I ever saw - so emotional and such happiness ❤ You spoke out of my heart Love from Austria 🇦🇹
@Peoplestariff
@Peoplestariff 10 ай бұрын
Was guessing £25k then jaw dropped at £40k would be a really cool micro camper
@FriedEgg101
@FriedEgg101 10 ай бұрын
The price is a direct result of them being custom built, I would imagine. If these were mass produced and brought down to £15-20k I could see them being very popular. Maybe not just a van variant, but a 4 seater too. At its current price it's kind of boujee.
@maxcordell1
@maxcordell1 9 ай бұрын
I'd buy one in a heartbeat at £15k
@DeadnCold
@DeadnCold 7 ай бұрын
That's a catch 22 situation though. If you were to start mass production to bring down the price, they would then be subject to crash safety standards and would never get approval.
@thiswonderfullandpenwithco1151
@thiswonderfullandpenwithco1151 9 ай бұрын
Those look fantastic !! Was saying the same. Theres going to be a market for sure and practical. Noones making this sort of thing. The ones they are churning out arnt great . The reason why these older style classics were popular is they were practical and useful xx
@kalebdaark100
@kalebdaark100 10 ай бұрын
Well that did put a smile on my face. 😁
@TheSynthnut
@TheSynthnut 10 ай бұрын
Love the idea of returning to simpler vehicles. How though does this meet current safety stipulations? Is there a loophole being exploited that might be problematic if production were to become more mainstream?
@jonahwhale9047
@jonahwhale9047 10 ай бұрын
It's built out of an old one. A saloon that's had the back chopped off.
@garytownsend5462
@garytownsend5462 10 ай бұрын
I agree that the description of the brakes, made me question if it's safe for modern roads with the impatient idiots and mindless scooter riders who will "brake check" you dozens of times in most cities.
@marresjepie1887
@marresjepie1887 9 ай бұрын
Don’t underestimate the big inboard front brakes in a 2cv. The bigger ‘problem’ lies in the itty-bitty skinny tires. Not a whòle lot of contact surface@@garytownsend5462
@jncg2311
@jncg2311 9 ай бұрын
The low volume exemption that makes it possibke to sell this specification as a new vehicle is 1000 units/ year I think. High volume production would puch it into the same regulations as a new design so would be basically impossible I imagine. As a hand built car it's not likely the manufacturer intended to find production getting that high though.
@MajimaEnterprises
@MajimaEnterprises 9 ай бұрын
Speaking of simpler vehicles, I'd like to see the return of cargo trikes like in the 30's-50's. Harley Davidson Servi-car, Moto Guzzi Mototriciclo 32, Mazda-Go, Daihatsu SB-7, etc. I love them, especially the springer front ends and sprung saddles.
@Project-jf3bz
@Project-jf3bz 10 ай бұрын
Love it.
@pottasium7117
@pottasium7117 8 ай бұрын
"Why Don't We Make Cars Like This Any More??" question has a really simple answer : goverment regulations (be it adding electronics to cars, "eco" systems, additional weight for "safety systems" etc )
@TheBeatlesShow
@TheBeatlesShow 9 ай бұрын
I can't get enough of those little cars!!
@sUASNews
@sUASNews 10 ай бұрын
I want one
@simonevans8979
@simonevans8979 10 ай бұрын
So do I, as an ex 2CV owner.
@tomduke1297
@tomduke1297 10 ай бұрын
dude, that price made me spit my coffee all over my keyboard! half that would be a hard ask, this is pretty ridiculous.
@bigjd2k
@bigjd2k 10 ай бұрын
That’s COOL for running around locally! Hope they’re a bit more rust resistant than the originals though.
@mikemellor759
@mikemellor759 10 ай бұрын
Amusing - thanks 🙏
@supamario3055
@supamario3055 10 ай бұрын
It looks like a large toy next to Jack :)
@toyotaprius79
@toyotaprius79 10 ай бұрын
2CV fandom since the 90s have made a cottage industry of refurbishing old Citroëns God knows why some +30 years later are PSA/Stellantis are entertaining the notion of a circular economy to unwilling investors ...
@davisjugroop3782
@davisjugroop3782 9 ай бұрын
After watching a documentary on the origin of this car a while ago, i always wondered why such a concept wouldnt be used for an ev car. This car was popular in french movies when i was kid.
@iainamurray
@iainamurray 10 ай бұрын
I remember Channel 4 Horse Racing used to use them for the camera work. They’d drive alongside the track with a cameraman standing in the back with the roof rolled back. Lo-tec solution to a problem that worked! Best suspension ever!
@iainsear7830
@iainsear7830 10 ай бұрын
This is brilliant, I think Id invest in adding CCS 6/7Kw charging, another 5 hp might be good as where I live you need to be able to get up to 60mph. I like the battery sizes 10 or 20Kw is perfect. Looks easy job to switch them out and access for repairs too which I like. Yeah better cup holder would be wise! I dont get why there is nothing between the Citron Ami and The Zoe, there is no small cheap car that goes 70mph with 100 miles range that doesnt cost 40k (sorry Fiat500 you are too classy for me). We need a basic 15k no thrills city Ev with 4 seats and none of the rubbish, give me scratchy plastic and manual windows any day.
@davedevonlad7402
@davedevonlad7402 10 ай бұрын
Cupra bourne does 200miles and is 36k and goes over 100mph. On a 55kw battery. Oh btw it's actually safe not like that Citroen. MG4 is only 26k and over 200 mile range for a very basic one. Also if you are in a city you could use a taxi every day spending £41 every trip for a year for 15k Why would you even need a car for a city with taxis, Uber, metro's, buses ect ect. You could save thousands. If you did every upgrade to that car you want to do then add another 20k at least it's just not worth it go and buy a decent new car instead.
@JustWasted3HoursHere
@JustWasted3HoursHere 10 ай бұрын
CCS might be overkill, but a 6.7kw J1772 might be helpful (and fairly easy to implement).
@rokadamlje5365
@rokadamlje5365 10 ай бұрын
another commenter said it might only be possible since its L7 class same as twizzy. Leagally not allowed to go faster.
@MrAdopado
@MrAdopado 10 ай бұрын
@@JustWasted3HoursHere J1772 would be no use in the UK. We (and all European countries) use Type 2 on all EVs these days for their AC charging so there's complete compatibility.
@SquareoftheyearFM
@SquareoftheyearFM 10 ай бұрын
The running gear is based on the Electric Eden quadracycle so it’s a shame.
@mikestanmore2614
@mikestanmore2614 10 ай бұрын
You had me right up until I realised it's forty thousand pounds for a 2CV van. Well, probably eight thousand for the van, thirty-two thousand for the electrics.
@Kevin-dp1vy
@Kevin-dp1vy 10 ай бұрын
Their website says "Prices estimated to start from £39995.00 +vat", so that's £48,000 before extras.
@mikestanmore2614
@mikestanmore2614 10 ай бұрын
@@Kevin-dp1vy 😨
@theoldpcguy
@theoldpcguy 10 ай бұрын
Very smart leaving the price until the very end, if it had been in the beginning I would have just stopped watching then. We're talking about $20k worth of hardware built by the cottage car industry. It's not a shock that it more than doubles the cost.
@toreb7692
@toreb7692 9 ай бұрын
I didn't know until now I needed this.
@wolfheilmann774
@wolfheilmann774 10 ай бұрын
27 HP was the max with the 2 CV 6. drove it some years. Perfect car. Our millionaire neighbour sometimes gave me his 500 SE and took the 2 CV for rides - he had one when he studied in Grenoble in the early 50es.
@wolfheilmann774
@wolfheilmann774 10 ай бұрын
@@makomadeira5799 yes, of course!
@yangtse55
@yangtse55 10 ай бұрын
Wonderful though the little Ami is, this is what I want - I owned two 2CVs in the past - and coincidentally if all goes well I will soon be living in the French countryside ...
@michaelstrode4931
@michaelstrode4931 10 ай бұрын
😅 bc
@petersimms4982
@petersimms4982 10 ай бұрын
Ohhhh jack you say it all with such sincerity 😊
@michaelarulanantham8833
@michaelarulanantham8833 10 ай бұрын
I remember a scene from One foot in the grave that sums it all up
@MartinzW
@MartinzW 10 ай бұрын
I would say it's expensive but yesterday I watched Tom Scotts video of a small shop in Switzerland where they make electric box vans for 140000$ - those are no better (aside from cargo capacity on some of their models) than this. So now I am in the camp that this is affordable for a small car company making passion EVs.
@Cdr_Mansfield_Cumming
@Cdr_Mansfield_Cumming 10 ай бұрын
Those were glorified milk floats.
@MartinzW
@MartinzW 10 ай бұрын
@@Cdr_Mansfield_Cumming In Latvian we have a phrase "Live like a kidney in fat" - I have nothing against those Switzerland town car makers, more power to them, but I couldn't help but to feel like those are prices of a town that is so comfortable in their luxury they pay big sums of money for something that barely improves or represents that value. "Hand made quality" - even hand made quality has limits and some things are not worth having hand made.
@manuel-xax
@manuel-xax 10 ай бұрын
Love it ! My parents got a "springtime green" 2CV back in the early 90s. The so distinguishable sound it made was also part of the joy that surrounds every 2CV. Not to mention, it had a roll-back roof, my first time in a "convertible" ! Also, the almost oddly comfy "camping" seats, or the incredible suspension travel ("you can't rollover a 2CV" was a popular gimmick). A car before Peugeot castrated Citroën's engineers, sadly 😕 Perfect conclusion words in this video !
@christophmeirich5928
@christophmeirich5928 10 ай бұрын
Perfect. Greetings from germany Christoph 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏
@TheJimODonovan
@TheJimODonovan 10 ай бұрын
It's like a scene straight out of "All Creatures Great and Small".
@0cujo0
@0cujo0 10 ай бұрын
Could you make one that looks like a 70’s Morris Pickup? :-D
@frglee
@frglee 10 ай бұрын
Or an Austin A40 Farina :^))
@roguesorcerer1145
@roguesorcerer1145 10 ай бұрын
Wish they made more of these as I would definitely buy one.
@Harrythehun
@Harrythehun 10 ай бұрын
They are available if you want one……
@smvsspould
@smvsspould 10 ай бұрын
There'll be second hand ones soon enough :)
@MrAdopado
@MrAdopado 10 ай бұрын
I bet you wouldn't. (price ...)
@ArronMurray
@ArronMurray 10 ай бұрын
Beautiful van
@PierreAlainMaire
@PierreAlainMaire 10 ай бұрын
Nice one, Jacques 😂👍🏻
@randomjasmicisrandom
@randomjasmicisrandom 10 ай бұрын
Automatic windows as standard. As in, when it’s hot, you automatically open them. Oh, I watched this with a big grin on my face. I want a black and purple one, a reminder of driving round Dorset and Devon with my best mate Ashley. With a sun roof that you roll open when it’s nice. Yes, yes, yes indeedy.
@Bob_Burton
@Bob_Burton 10 ай бұрын
In the words of a famous advert for the 2CV "Faster than a Ferrari" "As many wheels as a Rolls Royce" "More room than a Porsche"
@randomjasmicisrandom
@randomjasmicisrandom 10 ай бұрын
@@Bob_Burton So True! The Deux chevaux is the slowest, wobbliest, least equipped car I have ever been in, yet it is to this day my favourite ever car to drive in as a passenger. It’s a shame this version is so pricey, I would absolutely get one.
@yaksauce
@yaksauce 9 ай бұрын
Love it! It’s so “joie de vivre” and has timeless charm and utility, like a bush-crafter’s backpack. Though, I favor a multi-speed manual because I love to play the hyper-mile game while driving! But it would be one-step-beyond to have a DCT in an EV! The efficiency of the DCT is not only unmatched by any other transmission type but is simply a joy to use! Would love to see this truck sporting a DCT from a Honda Goldwing or such. It would be tops-
@bernardcharlesworth9860
@bernardcharlesworth9860 10 ай бұрын
Lovely same size as my home storage battery.
@Longsnowsm
@Longsnowsm 10 ай бұрын
Why do you keep showing us the EV porn???? I mean does it get any better than this? LOVE IT! Would love to see this scaled for mass production and bring them to the US. Would be nice to have a little more range and slightly more speed so that it could run on the highways(back roads of course). Oh man is that nice! Not fair teasing us with such a lovely car. NOT FAIR! Beautiful simplicity.
@tesla-spectre
@tesla-spectre 10 ай бұрын
Ahhhh reminds me of my old CV2 I had when I was a student... Just would never ever pass the security tests today. If you lean hard on it, it folds together 😂
@BassByTheBay
@BassByTheBay 10 ай бұрын
Right? Looked like he could've just torn the hood off if he wanted 😄.
@joshuaconrad1862
@joshuaconrad1862 10 ай бұрын
You know what I hate about your show and all the other ev videos from Europe? That you have awesome stuff that we will probably never get here in the states.
@mbaqcytvav
@mbaqcytvav 9 ай бұрын
Very nice. The cargo part of the vehicle is an exact replica of the original metal one.
@blairjayson
@blairjayson 10 ай бұрын
How does this vehicle pass modern crash tests?
@crackedemerald4930
@crackedemerald4930 10 ай бұрын
It probably don't lmao
@kalmmonke5037
@kalmmonke5037 10 ай бұрын
small production numbers might excuse need to pass crash test laws and insurance companies wont care unless it sells a lot or maybe if they get payed
@ahaveland
@ahaveland 10 ай бұрын
LOL!
@chrisspain
@chrisspain 10 ай бұрын
@@kalmmonke5037 at that price they will have the prototype. Not really something for sale.
@Piner5074
@Piner5074 10 ай бұрын
See what you did there, left price to the end. Really needs to be sub £25k, but obviously it can’t because it’s now hand built and low volume, and that comes with a premium. Sadly really only a niche vehicle now.
@JackScarlett1
@JackScarlett1 10 ай бұрын
Yep, fair. Old Darren is building these himself, to order, purely for the love of the game. He already gets more business than he can manage maintaining old ICE 2CVs, and will barely make a profit off these Evie's - this is the definition of a passion project
@peterheerens3093
@peterheerens3093 8 ай бұрын
Lovely ... There is one thing though I would've added. And that is some kind of 'sound kit' minic-ing the sound of the original 2CV. That special sound which you could recognise if one approaced you from behind. There is 2CV coming!
@michelblanc1945
@michelblanc1945 9 ай бұрын
J'adore, elle est juste splendide 🙂
@rokadamlje5365
@rokadamlje5365 10 ай бұрын
So they could build new old cars and pass any modern safety testing?
@chrisspain
@chrisspain 10 ай бұрын
I think its L7 class, Quadricycle? Thats why it is so slow, like the big Twizy from Renault. The only thing car like here is the price. Everything else is more a toy.
@rokadamlje5365
@rokadamlje5365 10 ай бұрын
@@chrisspain oh that makes more sense
@leswallace2426
@leswallace2426 10 ай бұрын
Well said Jack..far too much crap in modern cars. Apparently the kit to warm seats if your poor little tooshie is feeling a bit cold is pretty bloody heavy. Saving finite fuel and cutting air pollution less of a priority than getting a warm arse a tad quicker.
@JackScarlett1
@JackScarlett1 10 ай бұрын
Heated seats I would defend - much less energy intensive than heating the cabin and therefore much less harmful to your electric range!
@pau1phi11ips
@pau1phi11ips 10 ай бұрын
Yeah, and heated seats would add bugger all to the weight. Electric adjustable seats would be weighty but the heating element is nothing.
@banksarenotyourfriends
@banksarenotyourfriends 10 ай бұрын
​​@@JackScarlett1it would probably be even less energy intensive if they just insulated the seats. My sleeping bag keeps me warm all night in winter just off my body heat, there's no need to add all the extra weight of seat warmers when your body could do that job in 5 minutes! Lifting 10kg up a 100m hill uses the same energy as lifting 1000kg up a 1m hill - I'd rather just save the weight, and the energy used in the manufacturing side. Manufacturers should at least give us the *option*. When I was a kid, if you had seat warmers in your car it meant you were rich, but the rest of us Poors still coped without them ok! 😂
@leswallace2426
@leswallace2426 10 ай бұрын
@@pau1phi11ips Some years ago on an episode of Top Gear they had to strip cars down to reduce their weight - I remember Richard Hammond saying how surprised he was in how heavy the seat heating element was. Yes having electric seat adjustment is just a bloody extravagance.
@leswallace2426
@leswallace2426 10 ай бұрын
@@JackScarlett1 Every time I've been in a car where someone wanted to put on the seat warmers it was because their precious tooshie was just a tad on the cold side. They seemed to get a special thrill from having their seat become warm, bit like having a foot spa I suspect, nothing to do with preventing frost bite to rear end. People will light up a patio heater rather than stick a sweater on - think that's the issue generally.
@paulmount1119
@paulmount1119 10 ай бұрын
Great little vehicle!
@jeanmarcchauveau9643
@jeanmarcchauveau9643 9 ай бұрын
You need to know the 2CV was made by Andrée Citroën to be a country vehicule on a bet: traverse a freshly plowed field with a basket of eggs without bkeaking any of them. This car is a legend. I read in comment about original 2CV(only one headlight) then the "deudoche" 2CV2(this one wrote the legend in France) followed by more "luxurious" 2CV4 and 2CV6
@Diffusion8
@Diffusion8 10 ай бұрын
Complete lack of safety features would be a major worry for me
@ArpanMukhopadhyay93
@ArpanMukhopadhyay93 10 ай бұрын
Yes. Same!
@davedevonlad7402
@davedevonlad7402 10 ай бұрын
I think this guy is looking at this car with very rose tainted glasses. 39k for a new one sod that, go and get a brand new car as that will have better specs and safety and can load way more than that car. Safety is questionable at best on that 2cv,power is useless and generally should be left in the past. Asking 39k for that is absolutely shocking and a joke. It should be 10k at best. Only buy one to put it on display but even that will be a waste of 39k. What a pathetic joke and a complete waste of time money and resources.
@timmcgurl
@timmcgurl 10 ай бұрын
I love the Citroën Deux Chevaux (2CV)! I used to drive my friends 2CV when I lived in Belgium from 1973 to 1975. It's the French version of the Model T Ford from the beginning of the advent of the Family Farmer Car. They are a death trap if you get in a bad accident, however. Just a thought. I'll wait for the price to drop from $50 Grand.
@ProfSimonHolland
@ProfSimonHolland 10 ай бұрын
perfect....we need to convert old ones here in France
@MrAdopado
@MrAdopado 10 ай бұрын
If you can do it for half this price then you will have a great business.
@pbs36
@pbs36 10 ай бұрын
Weighs less than a Tesla battery and it will look like one if it gets read-ended!
@jamespaul2587
@jamespaul2587 10 ай бұрын
It weighs far more than most Tesla battery packs, another deceptive title
@pbs36
@pbs36 10 ай бұрын
@@jamespaul2587 They don't mention which battery pack. The only heaviest I could find is that of the Model Y that weighs about 100kg more than this 2cv at 650kg.
@jamespaul2587
@jamespaul2587 10 ай бұрын
@pbs36 yes, and this car is much heavier than other packs such as the base Model 3 which is actually a practical car unlike this overpriced toy
@justkidding9751
@justkidding9751 10 ай бұрын
How is it practical, £40k for a vehicle that only does 50 mph and will do 60 miles. There are many EVs in this price range that have better speed better miles per charge and cost far less. Your selling an image and not a great image at best you presenters make me laugh with the bullshitery you come out with to justify an outdated design with bad specs and even worse value for money.
@Moses_VII
@Moses_VII 10 ай бұрын
this
@htimsid
@htimsid 10 ай бұрын
From 13:15 a splendid summary of what it's all about!
@trolledyou7032
@trolledyou7032 10 ай бұрын
Effiin' love it!
@royed31
@royed31 10 ай бұрын
Problem with EV presenters is that they love everything EV no matter what
@chidorirasenganz
@chidorirasenganz 10 ай бұрын
Nope
@jamesengland7461
@jamesengland7461 10 ай бұрын
It's fun and cute. Can't he have a bit of fun? You weren't rendered incapable of criticizing it yourself and crossing it off your shopping list.
@spent808
@spent808 10 ай бұрын
I mean at least it's not Chinese, I guess that's a plus.....I wonder how it fared at NCAP?
@rolf-joachimschroder917
@rolf-joachimschroder917 10 ай бұрын
In the 1980s, the ADAC had several small cars, including a duck, crash into a wall at 30 km/h with a dummy as the driver. The duck crumpled at about the height of the windshield. The dummy survived, but I would not like to experience something like that live and in color as a human being.
@grahamcook9289
@grahamcook9289 10 ай бұрын
In the 1950s France when the average person's vehicle was a bicycle, or motorbike at best, the 2CV would have been an amazing utility vehicle for the small rural farmer or village tradesman/retailer. But today, what's the point? And at 40K! Good Value? Jack you're havin' a larf, big time.
@32shumble
@32shumble 9 ай бұрын
Most fun driving I've every had was in 2CVs - and Citroen Amis
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