lee hamlin that’s not a Nazi film.

Historians such as?

+Felpe Scándalo This isn't Wikipedia, smartass. If you really wanna know, use the technology society has provided to you. You're not a skeptic, you're just lazy.

I honestly can believe that.

@lee hamlin If you think that "the Reader" was a Nazi film, you probably misunderstood it. Yes, it has a commentary on Nazis and it deals with the question about the next generation, that was very prominent in Germany at the time but it isn't about Nazis, it is about something i don't want to mention because it might spoil the movie or the book to others to others. But him playing a lecturer in that movie was weird to me. I could only see and hear Hitler when watching the german version of the movie. Still a great performance

Wanna invade Poland?

Someone once said in a comment section : "You can't spell ignorance without IGN."

Wft ign means

@@rawitammarapala9061 You Son Of A Bitch, *IM IN*

I would like it but it has 420 likes and I don’t want to ruin it.

Facts!

Like a documentary team was in the bunker

Also do not forget all of the laughters we got from the parodies of this movie. 👏👏👏

With ai would it be possible to turn hitler speaches,videos and nazi items into hd 60 fps? could it be possible with AI?

Yooo for real

Yeah just check out the one where Alec Guinness portrayed him. Feels like satire in comparison.

He makes even Anthony Hopkins look bad.

But why makes this video a point out of Ganz being Swiss? Even Hitler didn't start as a German but as an Austrian.

Oliver Masucci’s portrayal in Look Who’s Back was good too, but Bruno Ganz was the best.

@@Achill101 Because the Swiss speak German with a distinctive accent.

I watched it about 2 years ago, the portrayal of Hitler amazed me since it captured quite well how people close to him said that he was. Kind of like the book Darkest Hour shows how Churchill was not the paragon of virtue that many portray him as these days

@@mattkierkegaard9403 Go away please

@@mattkierkegaard9403 How could any sane human being not be biased against it? Maybe you should rethink your life for a bit.

@@mattkierkegaard9403Fuck off and eat Shit, you god damn Nazi Piece of Trash!

@@themadhammer3305 Nope. Both autobiographies from Erich Kempka and Rochus Misch each contradict the information portrayed in this "movie". And if you have to ask who Erich Kempka and Rochus Misch were then your ignorance eon this matter is noted.

Oh yes it is.

@@howlinsg1968 maybe cinematic bullshit but not americanized post-war Hollywood bullshit

Amen

@@josephrichter2104 fucking Nazi

@vladypunkyface fucking Nazi

Yes that is it exactly. Properly the last time we will see such a true portrayal of the war. The next time we see a movie like it it will show the brown shirts marching in the streets until they are blocked by "the kids of the left and BLM" who will give them a good explaining and school them to such a degree that they will be ashamed and discard their lederhosen and armbands en masse. Then everyone will slow clap and WWII will be over. Roll credits and fade to black, the end.

I Agree. Perhaps Schindlers list portrays the horrors even better.

Markus Zöggeler yes, just in a different perspective

Private Ryan is one of Hollywood exceptions, its war portrage is astonishing

@@Volgan16666 Isn't it the conservatives who complain that people call for violence against nazis?

Zack Olmert kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hdd2m9l8xti9mok.html starting at 02:54

It’s true but that happened about a month prior before Berlin was encircled

Downfall wasnt an American film tho

@@singulartrout they only give Oscars to totally shit film's now

They give Oscars to shit film's now

I agree, however could you imagine how batshit people would go if you have a Oscar for a portrayal of Hitler?

The Mad Hammer yeah it doesn’t matter how good the performance, that just would not happen in Hollywood

The scene with the sexy vampires scared me the most.

What scared me most is the scene where Magda Goebbels kills her own children. She wants to spare them the tragedy of defeat and the humiliation that the allies will make them endure, it is both abominable and brave. I froze there. Oh Gosh, I swear, the actress must have remorse for playing this scene... I wouldn't fancy her in that position. During that scene I thought: "Here we are, it all has come to this, how did we get there in the first place? Desperation, sutpidity, cowardice, malice?"

I get that people view Hitler as a monster but we have to realize that there are a lot of people with similar (even worse) thoughts even today. Since the Internet allowed us to hide behind the veil of anonymity we are witnessing people rationalizing and even denying some of the worst events that humanity experienced, such as holocaust, genocides, etc. People are now free to express what they really think, which is a good thing of course, however the outcome is truly terrifying.

funny how non germans often times think he was a monster in his daily routines lol. there are many interviews from people who worked directly with hitler, for example rochus misch, they all say he was just a normal guy in private. he didnt scream or talk loudly nor did he punish you with death just because you made a mistake. no human in the world, no matter who it is or was, no matter how evil, is 100% bad. no mass murderer is 100% bad.

@@moonpixie3634 Actually by most accounts, Hitler was a very charming and gracious man with his private guests. He especially loved the company of women and children. He was only the caricature of an inhuman monster when he was doing his thunderous speeches in front of thousands of people.

So basically Himmler is more Himmler than Himmler

@@m1co294 big brain time

Yes. That scene has always stuck with me as well. I cannot begin to understand how someone is so taken over by an ideology that they think killing their own children is the moral thing to do. Absolutely horrifying.

@@Liz2257 they feared being taken by the Russians more than they feared death. Magda said that if they survived they would be hounded all their lives. She stated ‘"I would rather have my children die, than live in disgrace, jeered at. My children stand no chance in Germany after the war". The insanity of what was happening then is almost too much to contemplate. Their world was ending, much of Germany (especially Berlin) was in ruins. They were surrounded by death. Under such circumstances people make incomprehensible decisions. Definitely one of the most grim and awful moments of those last few days in the bunker.

Magda Goebbels was truly a monster and a malignant narcissist through and through.

A common grim German joke was enjoy the war because the peace will be worse.

On the other hand, its also heartbreaking that the parents not only killing the children, but thoroughly ruined their present and their future while making childrens while planning a war. These childrens are doomed from start because of something they couldn't control, while the actual culprit acting childish for their entire parenthood and wartime. Which is why the writing and plot of Downfall is hard to process but masterfully executed to spare the viewers from the even darker horrors than it shown.

@Inigo Bantok Thank you for that. The man was perfect for that role.

Oscar doesn't mean anything. Lot of rubbish got Oscars. Is a commercial corrupt system, thanks he never wanted be part of it

@@75opala very true

Let's be honest, we all know that this was probably one of the bedt, if not the best acting performance in cinema. He did not need an oscar to know this.

@abhishek sk the way the Oscars are going - nope it was not worthy of Bruno. Not by a long shot but we all know his performance was stellar.

a decade of memes for the old gods.

I know it seems like that this movie changes every time I see a KZfaq video on it, first call of duty then idk Robbie rotten death. So many changes man I can’t keep up

@@StevioGaming1 Original meme was about Hitler getting banned from Xbox Live.

@@cyberdaemon it was a joke I made 10 months ago

@HQ See? Everywhere!

BRINGEN SIE MIR FEGELEIN FEGELEIN!!! FEGELEIN!! FEGELEIN!!!

LMAO!

Wtf

Fliyo MB Stalin created accounts and spammed dislike

Hahaha!

A dude playing a dude disguised as another dude

@Edward Burgess No, Bruno Ganz was Swiss. We don‘t have a huge movie business in Switzerland, let alone world class actors. But Bruno Ganz was certainly one of them.

@Edward Burgess Ganz was Swiss - born and raised in Zurich.

jonny jonjon As long as this dude still knows what dude he is

Not stranger than an Australian actor in an american made film, playing a fucking ROMAN GLADIATOR!

Same for me. Everyone sat until the credits ended and then the crowd got out in absolute silence. I watched the movie in Nuremberg, the city of the Reichsparteitage.

Riiiight... except David Irving is a thoroughly discredited excuse for a historian with a blatant far right agenda. Spreading disinformation to "muddy the issue" doesn't make it true.

I see the KZfaq Nazi weirdos have shown up in droves.

@@jabom99 Yikes. Nazi apologists again!

Rendell001 you're just muddying the water with your rethoric. Also, nazis are not "far right" in any way.

He's an acting legend.. he's done a lot more than just Downfall

I agree. His performance and his demeanor transcends any of the follow-on nonsense with those memes and so forth.

tom kat no he died because of cancer, it hit me hard, when I heard about it, because I’m also a swiss filmmaker and I hoped, that I can work with him one day.

"through memes" - what a disgrace to one of the most profiled European actors of the last 50 years.

The fear of upsetting snowflake fans is a thing. History is history, it can't be erased by not mentioning it.

@@LMSILVIA yee

Pretty sure Hitler is Hitler. Recked with facts and logic

Totally agree. That performance is perfect and one of the best we will ever see by any actor. I would also recommend Daniel Day Lewis' acting in There Will be Blood. Mesmerizing.

Agreed - an EXCELLENT performance. I'm curious about Ganz's accent (if any) - I've read that Hitler had a pretty recognizable Austrian accent, for the German speakers out there, did Ganz pull it off (or could you hear Ganz's Swiss accent)?

Sadly he died on 16 Feb 2019

@@ubaidurrehmantariq3160 Regrettable. Thanks for telling us, there was nothing in the news where I live as Bruno Ganz was not a silly mainstream Hollywood individual.

rip or rif

@@Mohatheking19 R.I.P/RIP means "Requiescat in Pace" (Latin) = Ruhe in Frieden (German) = Rest in peace

Repose en paix in french

"Vila i frid" in swedish

Равонаш шод in Tajik.

Yup. And my grand grandmother was digging trenches during the siege of Leningrad. Luckily, my grandmother was safe in Odessa during the time.

The Bunker Movie, In the Final days of World War II, Adolf Hitler's Final days (January -May 1945) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rNOPhsqDxN_Gd40.html

Absolutely terrifying film yet brilliant and fascinating. The acting was truly believable as rightly was said in the review.

Still Propaganda

@@bregjejabra25 what propaganda ? Everything in the movie was real, the final days of hitler as it was, as per traudl. She was there and spoke of what she saw and that is presented in the film. What do you have to top that ??? and why should i believe you instead of her ???

@@shalindelta7 Well, not that I'd wanna be on the side of people who say it's "propaganda"... But to be fair, there have been some misgivings over Junge's testimony.For example, there are some who claim that her interactions with Hitler couldn't have been as frequent and "personal" as she proposes in her books, because according to other sources (like Göring), Hitler never actually dictated letters, or orders, to his secretaries. Instead he always wrote everything by hand, had it typed out in separate pieces (often by 3 different people), and then burned the original. Göring said that Hitler continued this strange practice despite already suffering heavily from Parkinson's, which lead to orders sometimes being loosely "interpreted" by German commanders because they didn't make any damn sense (and no one dared to tell Hitler that this was due to his illegible handwriting). Although, I should add that this came from a man who was known to be a pathological liar, and who was clearly fishing for _any_ excuse to escape the gallows at Nuremberg... But still. Of course since it's a movie, it also took some artistic liberties with the source-material. But, it made for a magnificent movie, though.

@@runi5413 yep there could have been a few things changed for the movie true. Overall i would say its as close to the real thing as we will ever know.

Hitler wasn't born a German either but rather Austrian. And after becoming a German citizen he spent several years in Bavaria. So a Swiss actor might actually be closer in dialect than a German actor from Berlin or Northern Germany.

@@thomasroewer5673 Austrians are germans idiot

Austrians will tell you differently. Fitting name btw.

@@thomasroewer5673 congratulations you've been added to the list of idiots who think it's funny when they point out an intentionally ironic name

I’m sorry, but there is nothing intentionally ironic about your screen name. It is rather a perfectly fitting description of you. Not only is your statement that Austrians are Germans incorrect but the way you respond proves that you are precisely what your screen name says.

Lex, which Stalingrad (1993 or 2013 ?). I'm guessing 1993 one cuz that's the German storyline. I haven't watched neither, but would like to, hence asking.

sounds like a quote. "Portray them as monsters, and we'll only be looking for monsters the next time around. - John Watson, 2020

The late Marcel Reich-Ranicki, himself a survivor of the Warsaw Ghetto and one of post-war Germany's most prominent literature critics remarked, hearing of the "criticism" that the movie portrayed Hitler as a human being "As what should they have portrayed him instead? An elephant?"

And the next time around has arrived in the U.S., though very few know it yet.

This one is a simple copy of "der letzte Akt" von 1955 .......

Try "The lives of Others" About a STASI agent.

Agreed

@Chicha 17 I am from Iceland. My people wouldn't have done anything.

@Chicha 17 Except maybe help them...

@Chicha 17 Russians held Berlin, not the US; What's your point?

@书中自有黄金屋 shut up chinese nazi lmao

By writing this comment you’ve ruined it for anyone who hasn’t seen this movie. Congratulations.

To conclude your list "Die Brücke" the original version from the 50's (NEVER watch the remake!) about teenagers who a recruited for suicide mission to defend a bridge against the allies.

Ever see The Tin Drum from 1979?

Cian McCabe I agree with both of you. Give it time and people will eventually forgive and move on. Main reason the horrors of WW2 is still fresh in people's minds is because many people who lived during the war are still alive. The reaction to WWI was very similar too, many people disavowed the Germans after that war (even if they weren't the ones to start it) but 100 years later it's just general history and nothing else.

Agreed. Under the right circumstances what happened in Germany could have happened anywhere.The power and sophistication of Germany was what made it so earthshaking. And if Germany had won the spin on what happened would have been different. Stalin is still grudgingly admired by a lot of people.

I am 68. My Dad went to war in WW2 and come in contact with many German soldiers. As I was growing up, I never heard him speak badly of those men. To him they were simply men like himself who spoke a different language. But that generation has almost all died off, and for the most foolish reasons we all will start over

they are very old and dying off more and more every day

Both sides were wrong. The western allies terrorbombing German cities is also a warcrime. Sadly no one got convicted of that.

Idk the movie doesn't show Hitler in a good light so I guess he would be pissed

an iron cross.

Johns, that's the real tragedy behind this movie - that poor Hitler never got to see it... 🤦‍♂️

Reminds me of when a double agent working for Britain ended up being so good at giving false information about where the d-day landings would be that he got awarded an iron cross for his service

@@bochica3562 yeah😭

They have a problem with it because they cannot accept the fact that they could be just like him

Der Angriff Steiners war ein BEFEHL!

"Wir Sind Sie!"

Dass Sie es wagen, sich meinem Befehl zu widersetzen?

Der krieg ist verloren !

Mein Führer ich kann nicht zulassen, dass sie Soldaten, die für Sie verbluten…

Gary Oldman as Dracula

@@shaungaming7531 His performance as Sid Vicious was very good.

Sean Connery as James Bond.

Kim Shaun Escolta Gary Oldman as Viktor Reznov

Daniel Day Lewis as Abraham Lincoln. One of the best portrayal.

It was a good scene. The whole movie is a good scene.

But some say Hitler did escape.

@@MrJoebrooklyn1969 Even IF he did, he is long dead now...or is he?

@@MrJoebrooklyn1969 some say the earth is flat.

@@Msitujani and some say Socialism can still work.

Actually, the polish-born German literature critic Marcel Reich-Ranicki, himself a survivor of the Warsaw Ghetto, mocked the people who complained that Hitler was portrayed "as a human being", stating "As what should he be portrayed then? An elephant?"

NEIN, ICH NEHME DIESEN PREIS NICHT AN!

Me too I agree, one of the best WW2 films ever made.

I agree

Yes, a film I own on DVD and have watched many times.

Definitely one of the best war flims ever,I bought on dvd years ago,a still watch,performances are amazing especiallyBruno ganz as hilter is one of the best ever

@@HappisakVideos Downfall is bloody awesome. I think Das Boot is better though.

Both him and Ralph Fiennes were robbed.

But argueably the single most important one

There is no such as good and evil. There is only flesh. (paraphrasing Hellraiser)

Fun fact one of the main characters in Stalingrad also plays the role of the German officer at the end of “the pianist”

@@jasonsullivan7462 and also stars,again, as a German officer in the 2015(?) Stalingrad re-make.

Thomas Kretschmann was in Stalingrad (1993 and 2013), Downfall, The Pianist, Valkyrie, and many more ww2 movies, he is a great actor and I wouldn’t be surprised if he kept one of the uniforms.

LOL I love it when stupid people like a movie, know almost nothing about history and immediately brand it as realistic and historical. Next on too dumb to be unbiased: "I like ice-cream, so it's healthy!"

Al Koholik you seem like an arsehole

I would argue that there are some indeed caricature villains out there (especially in shitholes of Africa). Germany was exception, not the rule - it was civilized country so it annihilated countless people is style.

@MinutemanSam there is, like African pirates with half-rotten AK-47 who are half dead from malnutrition anyway. Life of a human being is no more worthy than life of a fly in Africa and South America. You are too used to your western privileges to know worse. There is no protagonists there except UN troops and celebrities occasionally picking up the best child the shithole can offer.

The most important thing about portraying civilians as they were at a human scale is so we--today--cannot push them away and say, "well we'd never do that!" The point of the film is the people today might dismiss Hitler as an aberrant human, when he was very human, and the result was all the more monstrous because ordinary people--like me?--went along!

Meant "Hitler" not "civilians"

Zero chance a film about Hitler that doesn't demonize him will win an award in Jewish run Oscars .. just saying

It didn't fit the propaganda..

Apparently true that she played cards after.

I was thinking like "What am I gonna do now?" Nobody's left

@@1982kinger as if there is such a thing.

Youbetternowatchthis Liebe Grüße aus Amerika!

@@1982kinger look at that nazi baby cry XD

You’re right. Nazism is socialism and socialism is clearly on the rise. All that is needed is the next Hitler.

@@powskierthat's dumb, you're dumb! Nazism is socialism XD sure bro.

This is not quite correct. Apart from the BILD-Zeitung, which also only used the "How could they have done this"-angle as a point of raising attention about the movie, there was no major criticism about the portrayal of Hitler as a human being after the movie came out. Criticisms was made about other things, such as making Lara portray Junge wondering through the movie with wide eyed bewilderment all the time, giving Speer the decent role (in his one appearance in the film), that he had given himself in his inaccurate autobiography and the fact that all the major nazis like Hitler and Goebbels get the decency of an off-screen death, as if the camera accepts that these characters would rather be alone in these intensely private moments (although Hirschbiegel mostly did this because in these moments the actual historical events are not quite clear and he wanted to avoid discussions about these specific details). The criticism about portraying Hitler as a human being mostly came beforehand, while the movie was made and, to be fair, was for a large part, spawned by the production company itself to create publucity. Bernd Eichinger was quite a genius when it came to igniting discussions about potential controversial aspects in his movies, mostly hand in hand with BILD. After the movie came out, Bruno Ganz was almost universally lauded in Germany for his portrayal and the sucject of whether or not Hitler could be portrayed like that quickly died down. If anything, as I witnessed it, the question was more a point of discussion, when the movie came to English-speaking countries, but even there it was mostly just raised as an opener for discussions about the qualities of the movie.

Actually, Marcel Reich-Ranicki, himself a survivor of the Warsaw ghetto, stated "As what should he be portrayed then? An elephant?"

Thats just not true, you arent german speaking right?

But if you follow the movie and Hitler's monologues, dialogues and behavior, you clearly see how a monster he is. He's not portrayed much as a human... or at least doesn't give a human impression...

@@t.g.5258 I am and have been for as long as I have been able to speak. What makes you think that I don't speak German?

I am führerious. And honnestly, Anne Frankly offended.

hahahahaha oh jew.... ;)

@@massineben7198 lol I did *nazi* that coming. I *gas* I'll just leave.

NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN!!!

Bloody hell 😂😂

That’s still German, he’s ethnically German.

@@polishherowitoldpilecki5521 c'mon

@@polishherowitoldpilecki5521 Always the same thing. When someone speaks of German unity: "Austrians are a completely different, independent people!" When someone says that Hitler was Austrian: "NO HE WAS GERMAN"

Herman Urus I really don’t have anything against Austria and Germany uniting. Their both Germanic peoples to me. I’m pretty sure it’s patriotic Austrians that argue that their different.

@@polishherowitoldpilecki5521 (I'm canadian so I can't speak for all Austrians but I have met a large range of them as I'm the first in my dads family side born in canada) all of my Austrian family thinks that Germans and Austrians are separate culturally. most of them and the other family's and communities I've been think of themselves of Austrians. A lot of my family agree they are ethnically german too though.

Surely the fall of Constantinople had a far more profound effect on world history.

200,000 dead so Hitler and Goebbels could have a few extra nights in the bunker. There was no reason for this battle to ever take place.

One of the most dramatic and profound events in recent history. But as terrible as it was, there are many battles, sieges, falls of great cities, that can compete for the title. The fall of Assyria. The destruction of Carthage. The sacking of Rome. The sacking of Baghdad. The fall of Constantinople. The fall of Tenochtitlán. The rape of Nanking. The Siege of Leningrad. The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki... To mention a few. And these are just cities...

@@JH-lo9ut no doubt.

They achieved what they were after. Great work.

Same

What about the death of Stalin?

Hey Uncle Joe! You won’t get one we still love you here in America!

Josef Stalin- Same

Everyone should get his own movie!!

Not One Step Back

Dude there is nudity in it and suicide why would you watch it when ur ten

Great movie btw

@@everettstrait311 as a 10 yr old they prolly didn't know what the movie was even about

Color film was actually invented by this time. Although it was very expensive and not in widespread use. But color film clips of Hitler actually exists.

@@everettstrait311 They can handle seeing a few nipples. The suicides I can understand.

Yes he should of but they give Oscars to trailer trash now

Marcel Huchwajda Agreed, the content is execrable - not the point I was making.

It’s only really softened slightly. People react to passion, after all. It’s often said that it doesn’t matter what you say, as long as you show passion for it. Annoying, of course, to flog the dead horse, but look at Donald Trump; he may not flail and shake his fists as they did, but he still talks with his hands, he’s an expressive orator. And then consider how he won against a very muted, calm and inexpressive presidential candidate. Passion breeds a sense of trust and honesty, where such unemotional oration is likely to breed distrust and discontent.

Neil Griffiths Many of the things he said appealed to many people, it wasn't just hand gestures and confidence. His words made sense to many and well, as soon as they got the power they crushed their opposition.

Hitler became chancellor of Germany within the 'democatic' process of the ballot box and Hindenberg invited Hitler to form a government. Up to that point the normal checks and balances limited what he could do from the Bunderstag. Hitler then set about circumventing the checks and balances, to have the german people to swear allegiance to Hitler rather than the German state or other state organisation. Hitler gradually bullied, threatened, bashed and even had murdered, any who opposed him or his political philosophy. All of us are always potentially in a similar position unless we all monitor and protect our own institutions. So get involved.

It's a powerful and common oration trick. Start off shouting and waving your arms, and you'll turn people off because you look deranged. Start off rational, mellow, and soft spoken, but slowly amp up the energy as the speech progresses and the audience gets more involved, impassioned, and swept up in the spectacle.

why would you do that? lol

You have convince me to buy the film. I hope in English subtitles.

@@kenwalker687 Please make sure you get the movie with English subtitles. I did. Otherwise, I would still be learning German. To be honest, it is due to watch again. I will, soon.

Don't forget moon indians and asteroid Eskimos!

Movie definitely needs more minorities in prominent roles. More diversity and strong independent womyn in business suits.

The fuck? Strawman Central Here.

You are “uneducated”

Der Kernspalter XD

Extraordinary film, so traumatising to see for that reason. Absolutely horrifying to feel the reality of what's portrayed.

Yeah, it really was a metaphor for the future of Germany and the hope that allowed them to survive such a brutal evil.

ravagetime Soviet army came in and rape the women just like today. Yeah, bittersweet indeed.

Well, that's WW2 for ya

Yung Biz sorry I don’t understand what are you saying?

Yung Biz are you saying that Russian people are still invading Germany? What?

Narcissistism? What the Heck is that? You mean narcissism? But how do you get along with that?

15th generation holocaust survivor Not necessarily, there actually was a suicide wave because many people could not imagine to live in a Germany without Htiler, not much to do with soviets. And I'm pretty sure Goebbels status in the Nazi Regime would have given him and his family pretty much immunity from everything except the oncoming Nürnberg trial.

Dedicated Nazis did commit suicide on the Western front but the common people just stayed calm and went along with things. The Eastern Front was like the apocalypse, divisions destroyed themselves to buy time for civilians to flee west, women were drowning themselves in rivers. Entire cities of old men and young boys took up arms to delay the russians by any means necessary.

@@nstice1 They shouldn't have went into USSR like a freaking exterminators then.Red army soldiers then wouldn't carry a wrath and revenge for burned cities,villages and dead compatriots and family.

Bullshit. Magda Goebbels could have surrendered to the Americans and got protection for herself and her children. That was her privilege. The millions of ordinary citizens had no such protection from the Soviet savagery.

They were sociopaths, yes. They were mad, yes. They were men. But they weren't sociopathic madmen. They were not purely selfish, they could justify what matched their interest, and they could take interest in what was justified before them. Most of them at some point were thoughtful, sincere, and wanted to make the world a better place. And that is the deep horror of this film.