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@dadadrew2 ай бұрын
Simplify simplify simplify. This is SO overlooked when discussing composition. Thank you for an on point reminder.
@haro822 ай бұрын
So true. Some people literally think you need 100 tracks in a song.
@adirsab14 сағат бұрын
Unless you are Frank Zappa
@dadadrew13 сағат бұрын
@@adirsab 🤣
@Baywoodmusic2 ай бұрын
This is very true. I use to add a bunch of hi hat loops/ shakers to fill up space and while all my friends liked it and it sounded good. I could totally see people had a hard time dancing when I performed it live. The simpler groves where everything has its own space and purpose made people dance every time.
@Bittamin2 ай бұрын
Ambient jungle from the 90s enters the chat: To be fair modern dance scenes require modern musical solutions
@nikolevendi2 ай бұрын
Love this concept and def got me thinking about when and when not to incorporate drum loops into my productions - that being said, as a former almost professional Greek dancer, I just get up and dance to my tracks to see if it works or not haha
@isaiahromero98612 ай бұрын
Electronic music doesn't need to be danceable you normie
@foreverunknown369Ай бұрын
It depends on the track, Piero Pirup used a shit ton of layered percussion and Hi Hat loops on his track „We don't need - Club Edit“ and it was a nr1 smash hit because it just woeked
@2bepower12 ай бұрын
very helpful stuff. i learned this a few years ago but realizing how important rythm is (not just for drums) improved my songwriting so much and it also helps everything else like mixing for example.
@ItsGrantM2 ай бұрын
I wish i seen this when i first started, instead i was told that adding more loops was good because it fills up space and adds more interest but never told the downsides like competing rhythms.
@sorenandrews10782 ай бұрын
It does fill space, this only works for genres like this (Tech house). But if you want to make Trance, Techno, House, EDM, your track can sound very empty if you don't fill the space you have. Sidechain and processing MAKE the track
@TheIcarusKid2 ай бұрын
@@sorenandrews1078 It works if you edit the audio to standardize the swing... THAT'S the biggest thing here imo
@mvricks90Ай бұрын
same lol
@abelgutierrez12832 ай бұрын
This brother giving out secret sauce for free. My guy :)
@saykaOs2 ай бұрын
For real 🔥
@martinthe3rd6642 ай бұрын
As always concise and to the point. I'd love some deeper dives into rhythm building and how you can work with velocities, bc this tutorial doesn't talk about how ghost notes etc can be used to add subtle rhythm without necessarily making things messy.
@eyvindjr2 ай бұрын
There is a lot more to it, ghost notes, sound selection, layering, mixing, panning... but a nice tip lining up the groove elements to not make it too complicated for the genre.
@TeddyBaas2 ай бұрын
Damn give the guy a break, he’s trying to provide some value and it all boils down to keeping the groove simple and not cluttering it up with too many competing rhythms. It doesn’t matter if you use loops or not. If you do use a loop just be mindful to not clutter the groove with a bunch of random drum loops that are going to overlap and sound like 💩
@andrewsytek2 ай бұрын
Really loved this video lesson! Keep it up man! 👏🏼
@amado77602 ай бұрын
Great insights Big Z, thanks. Track sounds awesome !
@LeeJaaijMusicTV2 ай бұрын
never thought about that. very simple but effectiv! thanks BigZ
@Spineloro2 ай бұрын
great sounds, totally worths it ! and nice Serum sounds pack for free, you made my day !
@larryseyerАй бұрын
Great information and often overlooked. A deep dive into a better production. Thank you for sharing.
@NONE2NONE2 ай бұрын
Dude I hope you're rich off KZfaq. This is the first time Ive watched your video. You have a nerd understanding of everything but your music is dope! You're not over the top analytical and your video quality is top notch. You gotta be spending a ton of time on making these vids. Great work bud
@michaelmarkspersonal2 ай бұрын
Always excellent teaching. Thanks!
@mikeaporter2 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for this video. Knew there had to be some level of logic at work in even the most complex of rhythms but hadn’t been able to find any info/tutorials on the subject. Will be cracking open the DAW later to experiment.
@andy_hawkins2 ай бұрын
Absolutely great advice. It takes longer to build loops yourself but I've never done anything else. Without control of the swing, velocity and basic pattern for each sound, it's going to sound messy. oh, and knowing when to stop adding things is critical. Just keep working on it and it does start sounding better.
@ScouseHouseClassics2 ай бұрын
Very good video once again. I have made tracks and taken the loops out for this reason. Cheers Z 🍻
@Keroser19832 ай бұрын
This is very important. You have made a similiar video for this tip and I have been implementing that to my Trance tracks. Clear improvement. And if I ever use something out of main groove, I use it in the most background so you dont basically hear, but feel. Amazing tip and totally recommend.
@OkMijnMusic2 ай бұрын
One of the best production educational channels out there! Huge appreciation from Australia brother!
@medpire1132 ай бұрын
Great content bro this is exactly what I was trying to explain earlier today session, I'm going to play this for the guys good stuff man
Great video! The part about simplifying each element into a simple hit in a separate pattern, so you can hear how it sounds with no frills and just get a handle on if the rhythmic health is brilliant!
@KayVilleRecords2 ай бұрын
Thats epic advice and a great tutorial. Really struggled with this concept for years but i love how you mentronomed the rhythm very easy to then keep it all in tune. What about things likes stabs and chord would you also add the same swing?
@justinkeess2 ай бұрын
This will hugely improve my compositions!! Such a eye opener ❤
@Table-Top2 ай бұрын
great vid, very insightful, thanks !
@EannaButler2 ай бұрын
Great vid! Simple and I’m sure very effective. I recognise these problems in my own tracks.. Thanks! Subbed..
@jeremygraham28162 ай бұрын
Wouldn’t want to confuse our listeners with any sort of syncopation or god forbid, polyrhythms, right?
@luckas221aАй бұрын
you can do that. But if you want to add those, you need to create space for them. He's oversimplifying for sure, but you can literally hear him using syncopation in the example he provides at the end. Stay smart, homie
@spiritanimal61662 ай бұрын
your style of explaination is exactly what i am looking for ... and damn i like your style of producing ..... i have the feeling that you really know what you are doing..... some other YT producers doesnt have that ..... greetings from vienna ps : i can imagine you have finished some music school or are you a self-taught guy like me.... ?
@DielectricFailure2 ай бұрын
I had the idea of trying to put a mini note for every drum hit to make sure complicated rhythms sounded good but it’s really cool to see somebody else recommends doing it.
@ianmcgarvey36942 ай бұрын
Love Big Zee's channel 👍
@TheSecondMessenger2 ай бұрын
Great advice! Honestly so true and not something I see people discussing much on KZfaq. Thank you for this video. Most of the time I feel simple is better. When it comes to layering, we must ask ourselves with each layer we add, is this supposed to blend with other layers, or contrast?
@VadimBesedinАй бұрын
Simple and Great Tip! Thank you!
@DEXM_2 ай бұрын
Love this, great stuf!
@ryanperrault81742 ай бұрын
solid video, good advice, thanks for making it.
@PatrickObiang2 ай бұрын
THIS IS AWESOME! THANX!
@fredrikabodemar54342 ай бұрын
Thank you for this! Great help for realizing what's going on when choosing loops.
@austomatik2 ай бұрын
Big Z you're killing it!
@hey_maurice2 ай бұрын
Great video, dude! What about elements that reinforce strong notes (1/4 or 1/8) in the rhythm vs weak notes (any 1/16 note not on the down or off-beat)? Think you could make a follow-up about that?
@drvoodoo30732 ай бұрын
In Logic it’s very simple, use the Groove Track feature. Assign one of your tracks as the main Groove Track and assign all the other tracks to follow the main Groove Track simply by adding a ☑️ mark next to the track. This can be done in seconds and you never have to go into the Piano Roll.
@Skrenja2 ай бұрын
I've found that feature to rarely work properly.
@drvoodoo30732 ай бұрын
@@Skrenja I dunno. It's always worked reliably on my computer.
@PETSWORLD_2 ай бұрын
In your opinion, which track should typically be the main groove track for best results? The percussion loop track, the vocal track, bassline track, piano/guitar chord track? Thanks.
@drvoodoo30732 ай бұрын
@@PETSWORLD_ Generally I think the percussion loop makes the most sense to use as the Groove track, simply because it usually has the most subdivisions that all the other instruments can "latch" onto. You really have to use your discretion though, most importantly you have to choose drum loops that would best serve a role as the "Master" Groove track. A lot of what Big Z mentioned applies here, choose the percussion loop that sounds the cleanest and provides the strongest foundation of your song's overall groove.
@Daumat_2 ай бұрын
Inspiring brother
@marknesium2 ай бұрын
Great tips!!!
@stevendimitrovski51392 ай бұрын
Hi Big Z - I bought the serum presets pack modern synths 2 from your online shop and it only allowed 2x download attempts. Both failed me and stopped downloading and now I can't finish downloading. How can I get the product now?
@Spineloro2 ай бұрын
To use a Groove track in Logic also helps to get drums and percs on the same rythm feel, but you're right Swing quantize is awesome and great use !
@zaink47502 ай бұрын
Hi, I forgot to add the free sample pack before purchasing this new drum pack. Is there anyway to get a free pack now! 😢
@Niteshift564112 ай бұрын
Great advice man! Thanks!
@LabofmusicRecords2 ай бұрын
2:20 😂😂 o wow, that's impressive, thx for showing us this, you are the best man!
@Soundpaintmusic2 ай бұрын
So informative!❤
@samuelpeterson73282 ай бұрын
it is a interesting topic, I'm not sure if I fully agree with you. There is a lot of house music that got a LOT of different rhythm's layered on top of one another. also rhytms can make space for each other depending on frequency (band) and panorama
@bangersandmashism2 ай бұрын
Yeah this concept is stupid
@BigZMusic2 ай бұрын
Yeah I think it's fine if you have extra percussion rhythms that are lower in the mix and fill out space. But all my favorite house songs have a main repeating rhythm using the main elements that I can pick up on
@1wibble2302 ай бұрын
Agreed, this is nonsense, sometimes drum loops can totally transform and improve things, totally depends on the loop, its groove, how that interacts with programmed drum sounds etc. To make a blanket statement of "drum loops make your track worse" is pure clickbait dumbness
@bangersandmashism2 ай бұрын
@@BigZMusic yeah for like world's most derrivate beatport house music maybe
@Mopark252 ай бұрын
@@1wibble230Good lord stop being so defensive. The main point of this video is solid
@rudothorne12 ай бұрын
This is super informative. Totally makes sense! Thank you.
@Bip4e2 ай бұрын
Thank you Big Z , you're the King 🙌
@djkamnzАй бұрын
Thanks for this, I used this technique to finally nail the lead riff on a track I'd been banging my head against a wall to make work 😅
@CreativePhilosophy_2 ай бұрын
I feel personally attacked 😆
@mvricks902 ай бұрын
I´ve sort of noticed this is in my productions and not been able to pinpoint the reasons. This was kind of eye opening. Sure you can prob fit in some with different frequencies but overall I got what you said and this can really clean up tracks for beginners in particular. Curious how you would approach this on vocals and or leads vs the bassline
@shinyisshiny77802 ай бұрын
extract the groove of your main loop and apply it to the accessory loops
@GetSongsDone2 ай бұрын
great tutorial bro!
@Banoffeeee2 ай бұрын
this is goldddd
@aaronbazil2 ай бұрын
Or just gate the loops to only play when bass is playing.
@bowlingguy77552 ай бұрын
Great video! Just one question: You've built a song around a given drum loop, but shouldn't it be the other way round? Can't you make up the rhythm first and use single-shot drum sounds to form the accompanying drum stem?
@D3RTmusic2 ай бұрын
In ableton you can "extract groove" from one element and apply that quantization to other tracks. Great way to align the rhythm of a loop that you like the texture of with the groove of the track
@lukejessop4617Ай бұрын
I think this is the dynamite I've been looking for.... Thank you Big Z...
@kavish_dj2 ай бұрын
What if you extract the grooves from one sample and apply it to the other samples?
@sorenandrews10782 ай бұрын
It's a fun idea, but using the same sound for all of the beats is 100% going to make it sound messy. The first 3 minutes of this video is a service announcement for SideChain. Also depending on the genre, using loops is fine, if you process them correctly
@Beatsbasteln2 ай бұрын
I typically accomplish a simple arrangement by starting from lots of overlapping grooves and then slowly taking out some slices of it until it is reduced enough. that way the groove doesn't form in the most obvious way but insteads finds a new path that I also haven't heard before sometimes. slightly different swings can be a good thing if 2 sounds are overlapping, but maybe not so much in tight genres like yours
@Deadbeatbeats2 ай бұрын
I paid alot more attention to this after a friend of mine said that one of my tracks sounded like two songs playing together. Was easy to fix when someone just pointed it out like that.
@NedvioАй бұрын
How do you produce drum sounds for sale? I mean, how do you make it original? Or are they original?
@GuRuGeorge032 ай бұрын
never thought about this, damn
@susanfrisby37622 ай бұрын
Really helpful, subscribed
@DK-ty5ue2 ай бұрын
Banger
@pet_cow_54522 ай бұрын
Are you putting the same swing you used there on hats and snare?
@HermanvanGelder2 ай бұрын
very informative. kudos
@PTFWWDB2 ай бұрын
Big Z do you start your songs with bass line and taps
@kabilanbaskaran68132 ай бұрын
You videos are really insightful!!! Unlike the majority who upload daily and keep circulating the same duplicate content
@omegonzalez2 ай бұрын
Gran lección!
@CaptainUncle18362 ай бұрын
My 11month old son loves this song 😂 great seminar man, I rarely make house music but this gave me a good foundation
@PauLtus_B2 ай бұрын
I agree with the general idea of this video but I also having a whole bunch of different loops can add some interesting things. I do think that there is a best of both worlds solution for this: Start with layering all the loops you think sound cool. Then listen through it carefully and try to pick up on which loop is adding the most at every moment. Then it's just a matter of muting the other loops at that moment. You'll just get the bits of each loop whenever they add to the groove and get rid of the clutter too. It also manages to somehow sound more varied as each loop gets the time to shine.
@SailorAlexander2 ай бұрын
Incredible!
@zebastian212 ай бұрын
Actually if you're on Logic simply enable time flex on the loops, quantize them to whatever quantization you'd like or you can even use a loop as master quantize and have the other loops follow that quantization .
@DukeofHell2 ай бұрын
I dig it, thank you.
@wasiuuu1Ай бұрын
excellent😁
@user-bv3wf1ur1m2 ай бұрын
Tight info thanks man. S’kudah wuz here
@BrenCford2 ай бұрын
Sometimes you have to get surgical with your loops to match the level of swing.
@SidMassiveXM2 ай бұрын
Nothing left to take out > nothing left to add!
@francobuzzetti94242 ай бұрын
nothing left to add? -- start dividing into smaller subdivisions!!
@anattaevergreen41152 ай бұрын
Down until infinity?
@kberlinquette2 ай бұрын
I inadvertently put 2 different grooves into my track, but I was able to switch the hit hats up a tad and get something cohesive using the 2 grooves
@johnymst2 ай бұрын
what about Techno where you only have Kick / Bass pattern with bass note playing right after the kick? Just layer the drums on top of the bass note since there's not much rhythm there?
@13Cobra912 ай бұрын
Your use of the word Techno here is a bit ambiguous, but it sounds like in your example the bass instrument is not the main rhythmic element of the track. In the video he says to build around the main rhythmic element of your track, and then he goes into his example track where the bass is that main element. In another track, such as whatever your example is, the main rhythmic element may be different instrument from the bass. A percussion part? Some other lead synth? It depends. But whatever that lead element is, build everything else around it. Even melodies have rhythms built into them and can be dissected in the same manner as in the video.
@burenbayrmergen30432 ай бұрын
sick track bro
@user-xt4pf3lh8iАй бұрын
очень рад что нашёл это видео, спасибо огромное за понятное объяснение !! ты вселил в меня новый запал))!!
@sandalero2 ай бұрын
very tasteful and soulful
@fakeman65422 ай бұрын
I agree with the concept, but I don't think there's any issue using loops - just to use them sparingly and to be selective, and possibly just by following a philosophy of keeping things simple. I use loops just to start a session quickly, especially if I'm working with singers/songwriters and need something that they can write to quickly. Sometimes I'll edit the loop afterwards, but even then there are times I don't feel it's necessary.
@BigZMusic2 ай бұрын
Yeah there's no problem using loops. It's just important to be aware of what rhythm those loops are adding to your track so things can fit together
@Ranakade2 ай бұрын
Cymatics sweating nervously...
@quemorales-shakoor96082 ай бұрын
This video was deliciously informative! Thank you!
@quemorales-shakoor96082 ай бұрын
Also, I noticed how cool your logo is. Who did your logo?
@ammarkhan39452 ай бұрын
just copped pro drums! bless up
@TechBaffle2 ай бұрын
Two issues with loops also - if you want to switch it up a bit, like remove the claps, remove the hi hat etc, you can't, unless you try chopping it up and it being awkward. Then you've got the levels - you can't control each bit, it's either all louder, or all quieter
@gavinphares19392 ай бұрын
Wow… this was an incredible video. Feel like this advice changed the way I write drums
@scattermish2 ай бұрын
At first I was thinking, “Hey, ableton’s groove feature kinda fixes these problems.” But nah, the whole point is about breaking down your overall rhythm to its key elements and not overcrowding them. Great process, gonna help me a lot.
@vennsung2 ай бұрын
That was helpful for sure
@zorglub6672 ай бұрын
good points, but (unnecessarily so) slightly manipulative to only "unleash" bass drum and main backbeat in the positive examples and keeping them turned off in the negative ones :-D