Your pfp says it all bro

@@ognjenstojanovic647 uwu

@@MAMAJUGO lmao

Someone play on EUNE?

Cringe

Azir mains like me dont have such weaknesses :D

@@lunarthicclipse8219 well azir mains like you don't even have a champ anymore... and i love azir :c

@@palasolaris7105 thats true :(

@@lunarthicclipse8219 all 3 of them ;P

Udyr mains: *HOLYHELL YES*

We get It, you main Singed

Its my sad reason i stopped singed. What point is it to run if everyone outruns him. Its so weird. Atleast when he had his old passive he got tanky now hes quite squishy if build ap or dmg lacks if full tank.

@@theimmortaleye7511 I continue to play singed because I don’t play league of legends I play league of singed.

Blue slow stick thingy helps

@@distraction2803 Rylai's Crystal Scepter

That'd be a good idea i find, like slowing dashes, seeing things like ezreal e casting during 2 entire secs lol

Yes like Kalista. She cant start another AA until she reaches her destination even though she has 2.0 AS.

@@trelantonis3823 thats the greatest Bullshit of the game imo. She gets slow and Also breaks her arms, imo the efect of the slow of movespeed os decrease the distance of her jumps, not make jump in slow motion that would decrease her atk speed

Addressing all responses at once, I'm not a game designer and all, but I think there should be a difference between a blink and a dash. A dash is a character moving fast, a Blink is basically a short range teleport. So I would make either the dashes go a shorter distance or go slower, like Yasuo's E, Camille's Hookshot, Akali's backflip and ult, Kalista jump distance (for movement slow), Kha'zix's jump, Rengar'a Jump... Those are dashes, and should be slowed. But I feel that Blinks, such as Ezreal's E, Kassadin's R, Fiddle's R, Zed's shadows, among others. Blinks are much more rare, special and usually have a really long CD (except for Kassadin, but he's balanced around mana and not cooldown, he's a classic and no one can ever say that he's overpowered or his mobility is toxic). But champions with dashes usually have a really low CD on those and sometimes even a reset clause (Yasuo has virtually no CD, Irelia has a reset on Q...) You should have options through itemization to deal with any weakness your champion might have, there's items against Heal/Sustain, against Armor, Magic Resist, AD, Magic Damage... But there isn't a single item tailored to Counter mobility instead of Buffing mobility. A dashing champion just laughs at your Serylda's Grudge or your Rylai's. The only champions who are really hurt by these items are the ones who don't have mobility to begin with (I.E.: Juggernauts and Dash-less ADCs). I can't say what should be done, but there should be a way to counter mobility through itemization the same way you can itemize against any other feature of the champions. Edit: Hopefully I could make some sense of what's on my mind, English is a second language so I'm hoping I didn't mistakenly convey any idea lol

@@matheusmterra there is everfrost i guess but thats not so easily built. I am a support player and i would like the idea of a new item that its active is like the oracle and disables dashes for even 1 or 2 secs. Should it be the supports choice only? I dont know. But supports are known for having actives and their items are lacking power because of that otherwise it would be broken and its stats would be not worth for solo laners

I heard that Vex may have the similar mechanic that punishes champs with dashes.

@@giulia1361 Yeah i aknowledged this in the last sentence, from the Ruined King Event i remember she had an ability which stopped the Sentinels dead in their tracks, so most likely her shadow is going to have a ground

@@giulia1361 I mean... Taliyah rechnically has an ability to punish champs with dashes and yet she's not really considered a counter to any of them. I hope Vex won't be in the sampe vein :/

Didn't Vars also suggest that Viktor's W gravity field should also have the property. Like it seems to fit and would greatly help against the mobility creep.

@@benign_oracle8875 I suggested the same too, it'd also help his painful vulnerability against assassin's

@@VarsVerum hell yeah. i appreciate the hard work you put in to get these videos out consistently. I'd love to see a Why nobody plays Ivern video or an Urgot rework retrospective

Didn't know u play league lol

You play league lol

I can agree with that

galio also inflicts it on himself during w

They should make a tank item

Sol e is also a literal black hole. But seeing as it grows infinetly and has an execute it definitely would be too much

Exactly! Now i'm even more immobile as sett D: Also, once laned vs a decent akali, i literally couldn't q or w or e her, cause shroud + 1 trillion dashes, god riot pls just delete her already

@@animejuggernaut2553 here’s a tip, never say you’re a Sett player when talking about this, people will tell you you deserve it and crucify you

Allow Akali to jump on you from two screens away but god forbid Garen gets to hit a non-bruiser more than two times in a row before being kited to death

As an ADC main i'm glad that things like Stridebullshit got nerfed. It was way too powerful, in combination with all the other things that gave movement speed, on champions not meant to be that fast. Now we at least need a general way to deal with the overloaded pieces of shit maybe a poppy w summoner spell? :D

No juggernauts do not need mobility at all

@Headlessboii A1 No one plays Singed.

Draven E

@@blueguy5449 It's a skillshot, and they can just outplay with all their mobility.

@@guest_zzroman2076 if that's the case no one plays poppy/taliyah either lmao

Veigar cage (if you manage to land it lmaooo) and even so, blinks can go through.

Just play Xerath, Ziggs is no worth after silver

@@robyfeh4586 This is one of the dumbest shit Ive read today. Ziggs is not good after silver lmaoooo

@@robyfeh4586 literally top tier in botlane rn. nOt WoRtH aFtEr SiLvEr

I really fucking hate how players are not allowed to use characters they like unless they are a metawhore hypercarry berzerker slayer

@@GattlingCombo I really fucking hate how people still dont abandon the game when the most fun and unique aspect of it has died for the FUCKING MONEY...We are given 150+ champions of which 20 are allowed to stay consistenly in the meta without being nerfed to oblivion...Rumble? Viktor? Udyr? Vi? All of them are allways at the top of the ladder when season starts but once riot sees their potential BOOM tone them down!...Skinline wise? Riot stated that they will release a skin for every champion who hasnt had in a long time (3+ years) meanwhile releasing at least 140 skins for the same SELLING CHAMPS...i mean what aspect of this game makes it good to play?

Saying jsut cc someone without point and click cc like path is stupids

U can still w as akali when you are ccd

@Krystel Iris de Castro yea but your talking about cc that instance witch not ever champion has and I’m not about to drop my main for counter picking 1 champ

@@alolanvulpixruby3154 then ban that champ

But when she dashes with E she can't cancel it, so you can easly hit her with Lux or Morgana Q, it also makes her super vunerable in late game, unlike certain champion with reseting instant blinks (looking at you Katarina)

literally play lulu/soraka

Or tank

Man the gap is still the same, mobility items were built by assassins as well as mages or tanks. It just made mobility a thing for those champions who need it to work

@@lukasguera4172 "work" is a wierd name for "not get picked off cus i didnt learn to side step"

I get thinking some champs have to much Mobility but I also think it’s pretty weird to think the solution to some champs (who actually need a certain amount of mobility in their kits to function) that have too much mobility would be to give other champs that don’t need mobility dashes. (Rereads your comment, sees *except for strikebreaker abusers*) actually you know what I agree with you lmfao

@@ashenguard_1437 I know the solution, Riot should make a League of Legends 2 and put in it their lastest champions that don't play the same game as the oldest champion

At least they reworked Irelia and now she gets to build adc items and still facetank your entire team while murdering everyone is sight. Hopefully Riot realises this and nerfs Asol.

@Krystel Iris de Castro Or irelia will just tank a xerath Q when she has wits end and that shit will just tickle her

Or banshee o zonya

Remember when riot reworked a bunch of abilities from target to skillshots. I remember. After they did that, we start getting the mobility meta. I will skillshots but i also like to not die just cause i blinked my eyes while an assassin, slayer, bruiser or diver was in the screen.

doesnt even have to be a good one, and thats the issue

before, velkoz players only needed to know geometry, now velkoz players need a phd in non-euclidean topology

as a Xerath main, i feel your pain.

Lol it’s not that gwen shouldn’t have her dash it’s that gwen shouldn’t have her w. I think it’s a dumb ability.

@@ashenguard_1437 Me and my friend when we fight Gwen "Oh look she is immune"

It feels so fun trying to land xerath's ult and the enemy having 2-3 dashes available because why the fuck not, just try to predict their dash position or something.

then the yasuo eating your full combo then lifestealing back to full in a second

@@timothywalters7131 Nah, this was in lane phase, I dumpstered him and became 3/0/4 at 15 minutes. My team lost eventually since our Teemo was 0/5 and enemy Riven was 13/0, but I'm proud of the performance, usually I really struggle versus Yas but I played it quite well in that game

@@timothywalters7131 lmao imagine thinking yasuo is that strong early

@@VigilTheProtogen you beat a silver yasuo,gj

@@ptbro3334 do you expect a silver player to beat someoen outta their rank.?

Exactly. I just kinda laugh when people say "just play safe". Bruh look at 6:22, Irelia walked under tower, killed Jihn, farmed 3 minions... all while tanking 3 tower shots and she still came out with more hp than she started.

@@MRB2580 And she didn't even have to use her brain at all either. No stun, no ult, no mark on the Jhin at all. She just fully targeted dashed on him and autoed him down. And the dumbass irelia mains will say that it's fair because jHiN hAs RaNgE and yet he wasn't going to 3 shot her any time soon even from across the screen. Hell you could give him 10 whole minutes of just spamming W and R where irelia can't touch him. He's never gonna win that way.

@@adverterb actually she either got really lucky or she was really really fucking calculated… because she would’ve died without that level up and triumph lol. But aside from that she has 3 levels on him lol.

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyup

Yeah, when I find myself playing Kennen I actually find other players actually complaining about my hitbox and E more than my ult

but is malphite R a skillshot or a dash?

@@hughvonramdass8957 how bout both

Well Atleast malphite R is a ultimate rather than a skill

@@Zero-zr6xx It’s still a degenerate ability, Malphite as a whole is a degenerate, unfun and unskilled champion and should get a Real VGU

I think there needs to be a differentiation between short and long ranged dashes. Like Gwen and Fiora you can complain that they have 3 sec CD dashes but you outrange their dash by quite a bit as most adcs or mages.

Ezreal e is not that long considering the fact that his q reduced it's cd and he build full cdr

@@teemomain5913 at least you have to hit your q’s to get lower cd

@@zz-qb2lk same goes for fiora and gwen

100% Agree, and the fact that they can now dash through his wall. Like wtf is that, the one defensive trick he had and they removed it.

Yep, because with his E he STILL GET a shit Ton of move speed, Fun right?

What champ do you have to play for yone to beat you with autos alone? Unless you are a hyper squishy champ you just delete him

@@Leonardodeboni0406 A shit ton?. Not gonna say he's not still bs but his e ms buff is barely noticeable, it's among the smallest ones in the game.

@@traine4126 100% cr with Shield bow.. like hello he is an adc his AA alone can kill anyone.

@@traine4126 any ADC with out a dash and some even with

I hate how people think that spamming more abilities or having more dashes = more skill, it's the opposite, if you don't have any dashes you're forced to think about positioning all the time, if you're caught that's it you're dead there's no escape but if you have 3 billion dashes you can play as retarded as you want and get away with anything as long as you have eyes and can move your cursor and spam keys on your keyboard

@@lucasnadamas9317 That's because those people use a huge fallacy: they tell you that the character has a high skill-cap. It is technically true, but how does it matter in any way? If I gave a champion literally 78 dashes he could use in 3 seconds, the skillcap to fully utilize all those dashes would be basically infinite, but that wouldn't change in any way the fact that the skill-FLOOR is the lowest of the game because you can just dash out of and into everything you want at no cost with no skill or thinking or positional awareness needed. Yes Katarina has a huge skillcap, but her skillfloor is so pisslow that 90% of Katarina mains are toxic assholes who feed in lane but at some point one enemy makes a mistake and the kata just rolls her face on her keyboard and gets a quadrakill because she gets carried by her infinite resets that makes it so by the time any mage can cast a skillshot she's already dashes 2 times and has gotten bonus movespeed.

I mean, where are Akali's 5 dashes tho? She has 2, E and R. And the both also function as her main damage abilities, it's not like they're free dashes like Kata or Zed. Try to play her once, and I will ensure you will not have a good time.

@@AddingVer and both have 2 dashed he only misscounted by 1 if im not wrong and her r is 3 dashes

… I only counted 4 XD. And I think some dashes do increase skill expression. Akali is actually a great example of that, because her e has a lot of versatility but is also on a decently high CD and is a skillshot. An example of a dash that does not increase skill expression would be like a malphite r, it’s stupid easy to hit and it has very few alternate uses.

Like ez e, it has like a 30 second cd

@@Crimsonwhocares it has 30 sec cd on rank 1 with no haste items

@@JosephStalin-vo6gi and it's cd get reduce by q

basically all mages just are completely fucked over which is why I basically had to leave the midlane and instead swap to Morgana and Lux support (rather then the midline where I used to reside) simply because midlane as a squishy mage with skill shots is hell when every champion can dash infinitely which has resulted in me being unable to initiate fights anymore and it isn't like poking does shit when a Irelia can just dash through all your minions and full heal in under a second

Especially Nami like bruh even my grandma can dodge her Q and R

that moment when akali is faster than your pointer

Same...

What you do when fighters got the durability of tanks too?

Plus it kinda feels bad when you play safe Sion or other mid game tank. Farming under turret perfectly. Play teamfight correctly but be as good of a frontline as the Irelia who bought botrks and Shieldbow 2 tapped your adc and healed for most of the dmg she got peeled for. In many games it feels like defensive stats doesnt matter when there are so many items with % HP dmg which most of the akali/irelia/camille type Champs get insane 1 item powerspikes from.

"I am using 1000 q s in a second and they all miss" - me when ı play sion

I hit most if not all my q the trick is setting up with e if you miss it you miss a q same with ult nowadays unless there is a fight or if you land an e prior there is no way to land it nowadays

@@narutoedw1n that is why I buy Frostfire on Sion. AA - Q is more consistent. But if they dash, guess I miss :)

@@kelzhikaru I have considered that option before but it makes me hesitant because the margin for error is greater if they approach instead of running away a point blank Q is the least effective away to dish out his maximum output

I am a Sion main and hitting Qs isnt a problem even against camille or irelia. You can zone them out of csing. Especially irelia because the urge to q low minions is too high for irelia players they cant help themselfs. The problem is irelia kills 4 minions and is untradeable or she buys vampiric and it literally isnt worth your mana to poke her and after you play safe lane she comes back with botrks does to you like 800 dmg with its passive in like 3 autos and 2 Qs. And a lot of Champs this season have these 1 item powerspikes that make you wanna kys whilst laning. Mainly Divine sunderer or Botrk abusers

Yesterday I was full build brand (you know, regular mage build with the + 950 hp from morello, embrace and rylai) and a Leblanc just dashed and killed me with 1 attack. Boom, 1 auto. :(

Oh Yeah the amount of times i think im safe behind my team but enemy sett, akali, lb camile just rushes for me ignoring my team

@@htlchtlc but brand does the same thing if he was tanky that would be insanely unfair cause he has two auto click ability then boom everybody dead while you alive mages are meant to be weak cause they do insane dmg like if you cc the Leblanc she is dead but because riot is dumb they made champs who are super tanky have dashes and also made then do more dmg then mages cause fair

I cant stress out How o hate this kind of thing.. and yasuo wall

Next patch: you are trying to ban Gwen but the game keeps saying Gwen is immune.

​@@Leonardodeboni0406 the simple fact a normal ability can just flat out completely negate an entire ult is just such bullshit. I mean at-least something like morganas spell shield can only block a cc effect so you will still get damage (Morgana's spell shield is still an annoying ability and I fucking main Morgana xd) but nah Yasuo just blocks it completely

@@a-drewg1716 Gwen is bullshit. She can heal up from anything, has an ability that would be other champions ultimate and has a free flash every few seconds while dealing crazy damage. I remember they more than doubled Rammus' ult cooldown because people were using him toplane and now they release champs like Camille, Gwen... crazy. I would rather autoattack a banner of command'ed minion for half a minute than having to deal with these champions.

There should be a champ that can counter this kind of untargetability. Like, if he is around, any champ that get out of untargetability get neutralized for 1 second and can't enter untargetability for 5 sec. Cooldown 15 sec.

To be honest you are right. If Irelia's q wasn't her main damaging ability. Then there would have been less Irelia haters.

@@user-uv6qu3wb5d I'd say ire Q is only her 30% damage the other 50 is her passive+autos and the other 20% is from items

@@joekenwood4956 her Q procs on hit so LOL. Either gut the dmg straight out of that Q, or reduce on hit effect on that Q to 50% effectiveness.

@@user-uv6qu3wb5d not having on hit effect, self sustain would make my life a bit happiier

@@user-uv6qu3wb5d i mean but then like what the heck would she do in team fights lmao.

Yeah it's so sad

im with ya brother

tbh, you deserve it for playing Teemo

Yeah As long as it's not a straight teleport/blink, it only makes sense.

People hate grounding effects so much . I wish Riot would use them more for example why does taliyah e which spawns Rocky terrain doesnt ground but cassios miasma does. And taliyah really needs some love like a lot of older immobile chamos

Dota solution: 27 second point click stun.

No, no.

@@Aryzon13 me play arc warden me root and silence you twice while still taking more skill than any league champ.

Silences, grounded and point and click CC is extremely powerful and should not be liberally included in champion kits or items as a counter to mobility. The solution is toning down mobility, not increasing the prevalence of it's counters (because those things are also a huge pain to immobile champs or those with only one minor mobility ability to work with). Same reason why 60% grievous wounds is not a solution to the overload of healing in the game but reducing healing (and (burst) damage) overall is.

Meanwhile Riot making Akshan: In one skill that has permanent stealth, a Warwick W, a low CD zilean Ult, some bonus gold, a burst of movement speed aswell And Riot call's it "not broken"

but lulu and yuumi are still so powerful

Average enchanter fan vs average tank enjoyer

They didnt nerf asol's roaming potential

@@LegendaryFusions they did, his e range went from 7000 to 5500

@@Alaaeddine_ Read the patch where they nerfed him. You will see that his Q cd got nerfed by 1 second

@@LegendaryFusions q cd got nerfed ? You mean buffed, removed a second

@@LegendaryFusions then he literally got nerfed twice, they nerfed his e for sure lemme check which patch

When was league a strategy based game

When league is a team based game

We used to have 100 target abilities. Now we have 100 dashes.

@@wr0ng569 When champs were more about macro and how they play with your teammates abilities rather than being about "WOAH CRAZY SICK OUTPLAY I'M LIKE FAKER"

@@bevvvy1374 We still have that macroing part and team coordination, but we do have those "solo champs"

the thing I miss the most about smite is tanks being, you know, actual TANKS who can TANK, whereas in league they get melted in 3 seconds late game even with full tank build and 8k cho build becouse true damage %hp based damage is very fun and should be in the game, but I mean I guess you also have a shitton of damage to make up for your lack of tank so sure

@@lucasnadamas9317 Tanks are no different over there either. The Smite community was just talking about How Tanks get melted easily in that game too lol

@@almightygod87 at least tanks in smite are actually tanks, and can't so 1500 damage with items. Imagine if mystical mails damage was like trippled lol.

There's also the fact that a lot more actions are counterable in smite. Almost every ability has a cast time that can be interrupted by silences, but in league silencing someone doesn't interrupt their abilities unless it's a channeled ability. Being grounded, rooted or silenced instantly stops any dash unless they are untargetable or cc immune

@@markushelt8227 I used to hate Ymir's ult (I play assassins like Pele, Awilix and Tsukuyomi so you can guess why) then I saw Nunu's ult which is the same but it has a big ass shield that scales with health...and AP, also counting the fact that league has brushes which conceal the AOE. Nothing tilts me more I'd also add that damage tanks in Smite actually fall off, you'll hardly ever see a guardian winning 1v1 against a full build hunter (except Cabrakan *flashbacks...did I just hear a blink!?*) but in League it's just your 2nd ARAM not SR, not ranked. They just casually do it

A counterpoint to your counterpoint however, is that both champs you mentioned tend to lack full-combo damage compared to other kits (unless you build 100% damage, but you bet your ass the moment that became mainstream, nerfs would drop like bombs on Japanese cities) with the CC effects being their main feature and until you've maxed them and build a bunch of AH you have a large vulnerability period if you miss. Conversely, many champs with high mobility *also* have high burst damage and short CDs leaving a much shorter vulnerability phase (if there is one at all) and if they also have CCs (which many do) and can take a few hits without dying then, well what the fuck can you do other than die or play a different class (which defeats the purpose of Riot having those classes in the first place)? Also, you could say skill-shot CCs as they are atm are almost problematic for the game because they only work by further penalising the mobility of champions that already suffer from mobility while being easily bypassed by the champs that actually need to be locked down. You might argue prediction is key, but firstly, a lot of skillshots are slow enough they can react without prediction; secondly, just as you're predicting their movement, they predict yours and they have the advantage that by both inaction and correct action they win, whereas you only win with correct action - as such, your win condition is harder than theirs.

Xerath and Malz don't have anything right??? Weird they used Jhin ahead of them considering how much Ms he can get

@@rasmusmalmberg6468 Because it was a list of the past 40 champs released, Xerath and Malz are older than that. But yeah Jhin shouldn't be on the list - or at the very least, it should be an honerable mention for being conditional MS - and as OP said, the rest of them also have MS.

@@Neion8 Ahh I see

I think towers should do % hp damage.

@@htlchtlc Then tanks would be useless

@@starmstrong2062 no, tanks should tank champions, which in current day lol, they don't. it's a really complex problem. late game everything that's not mage or assassin or marksman tank tower

@@htlchtlc I also think towers should do 50% physical, 40% magic and 10% true damge, so while you can build to resist their damage, they always remain at least a partial threat.

To be fair, Morgana's Q hitbox is also bullshit so it does

@@Carpatouille morgana needs a buff hardcore dark binding is almost worthless now

Yeah, and I think both Xerath and Brand have 0 mobility Jhin has his passive as well and senna has her shroud

@@autozeL_ to be fair there was a distinction made between Tempo and Combat Mobility, where Senna's is clearly the former only.

Xayah w aswell gives her movespeed

@@sighman9209 if I remember correctly, he said "0 mobility" when showing the champions, but I don't disagree with you.

Delete Akali Riven Shen Camille Yone Yasuo Irelia Gwen Viego Nautilus Quinn Lee Sin Katarina and the game will be fine

Because Vars is a doomer, and in game its not as bad as he makes it out to be. Why, do you think, he uses barely any actual data in his videos?

@@ziglaus firstly what kind of data would someone even show to explain the amount of dashes. Also its pretty bad in mid when basically every popular champ in a lane can jump around 3 times and run you down from a screen away

I do agree on that, I like to play off-picks for mid (but they're kinda broken champs) and they work pretty well because of mobility (Viego, Fiora, Riven)

Well winrates for one, would be great. Combining the winrates of all the champions with dashes in a specific lane and all the champions without dashes. Then says there is no tradeoff for mobility in league. I would also like to see that. Do, on average, mobile champions deal equal ammount of dps or burst as their non-mobile counterparts? Are they, on average, equally tanky? I would love this to be a more objective research based account, but its sadly not

@@ziglaus winrates don't work as examples bc a lot of the mobility champs have many apes playing them who drag the winrate down even tho the champs are busted.

… I mean I like irelia but fair enough

I do that with viego since hes just too much in general.

Ban Akali to keep her off your team, not the enemy's lol. That champion is garbage now. Takes 300% the effort to pilot for like 70% the results. Dashes don't mean much when she does potato damage and dies from a Bard's fart. Katarina, on the other hand... now that's a monstrosity.

@@distraction2803 Maybe in silver she does potato damage and dies from bard's fart.

@@Raiko01 the most recent round of nerfs are what killed her; her bread-and-butter combo was literally removed so you shouldn't have to worry about her burst anymore. I won't ask what rank you are, but in low diamond I've played as and against her a ton (before and after the nerfs), and I can promise she's not worth prioritizing rn. Other AP assassins/skirmishers (Katarina, Sylas, Diana, etc) are much easier and do what she does but better in every way. She's in a similar spot to Aphelios after he got nuked imo, where even if you're exceptionally good at the champion you'll get mediocre results at best.

@@distraction2803 have you ever fought a good akali. The champ can be nerfed another millions of times and it still will enrage you with gow little effort she dodges entire kits them presses r to kill you

Kalista mains are crying

Braum has dash(shield) but its totally fine if le sin have better one with shield and can dash to ward.

What

He already counters a lot of those diving Champs already but you need to use your W well and your teammates have to stay inside it which is the main problem

You make a good point there friendo, really wish irelia wasn’t so tanky at all stages of the game. Don’t even get me started on a behind yassuo always being a threat to an adc just by dashing through a minion wave into your face and windwalling.

nah being able to tank 7 tower shots while 1 shoting full hp ADC's and mages is perfectly balanced

**laughs in Vayne, Yasuo and Irelia*