exactly...

Top that off with a bleak looking economic future for the dwindling middle class, everything is always getting more expensive, inflation, lack of affordable housing, etc. I would rather just barely focus on myself then bring another human life into this world.

you are a responsible person, You known have children is different from having pets

it isn't to the zoomer generation@@MrRemiTube

it's all about me me me@@Arcamea

It all comes down to the oversupply of labor and the stable demand for expensive housing.

Ya Trudeau's Canada is a complete hell.

​@@PaulAllen-rm1inbut the economy was bad since happer age. Both PM just can't fix things. The first one have a failed action plan, the later one refuse to acknowledge the ship is sinking.

@@jamiezhou5049 You cant even spell properly lol

@@PaulAllen-rm1in seems you score big from Canada action plan

And that's if you're lucky to have more or less healthy kids.

Ask yourself why things are so expensive. Don’t just regurgitate what you’ve been told, do some digging, see if everywhere else is suffering the same. I mean EVERYWHERE, not just the places who live and think like we do. Then ask yourself again why things are so unaffordable here, and do your best to affect change.

This. I do have 3 kids, but it's meant raising them in a 2 bedroom basement apartment so far. Sure, groceries cost more - but the main thing we need is physical space to live and it's eye-wateringly expensive.

Bingo!

Get a better job

facts man! i completely agree. Its all planned, how could it not be. And the insulting part is they make these news videos as if it wasnt all planned to further brainwash.

I've been saying that for years. We are surended by tension, political, enviroment, finance... and we're suppose to "pull it together"? It's on our shoulders? And if we don't have kids, the consequences are not cutter, we will need nurses in the future, builders, farmers, etc.

Very well said

100% this. Who wants to raise a new generation of slaves? The illusion of a society and a civic life has been eroded at an increasingly noticeable rate. Capitalist logic is taking over more and more of every aspect of life and people are in survival mode.

Exactly right.

haha cleaning and cooking is a burden.. you eat no? prefer to live in filth? You have to do that stuff without a "partner" and you still have to work as well.. so where are you finding this extra time to "value"..

@@jaespinnazdo you have children? Because the burden of cooking and cleaning increases exponentially with children. The laundry alone is never ending. Kids get dirty, they spill things, they get sick, they wet the bed and on it goes. I used to have to do 13 loads of laundry per week to keep up with 3 active children and a husband with a blue collar job. The children are grown up now and I do about 3 loads per week. Cooking for two is a lot quicker and easier than for a family of five. My husband and I pick up after ourselves. There aren’t toys, books, school and craft projects all over the place anymore. Household chores for a single person or a couple are the minor leagues compared to raising a family.

@@jaespinnaz Holy crap... tell me you are completely clueless to the reality of motherhood without telling me!!! According to your logic, STAHM would actually be easier than being a single woman who works??! 🙄🤦‍♀ Also still doesn't explain why the male partner should not be expected to do his fair share of daily house chores.

You don't need emotional intelligence, just intelligence to be a parent. It doesn't take emotional intelligence to run a vacuum, do the dishes or mow the lawn. It's a commitment but it's not that hard. Kids don't want the best things they just want your time. It is the greatest experience you will ever have. Nothing in life is equivalent to it. It's not bad thing to choose not to have kids either. It's not for everyone.

This reflects on men too. I'm not willing to date or marry a women who wants to work full time in an office and in response I will earn enough money to be the sole bread winner. If she wants to work part time (two days) sure but somoene has to take care of the kids and the house. Modern feminism makes that seem oppressive but in reality thats the best option for a household and stable children.

all part of the plan of the rockerfellers , gates eta.

Learn from history.

The statistics actually show that the more money and education people have the less children that they have. There are deeper issues behind why people are not having children.

yup you need to be from a rich family or be poor and somehow still doesn't care and have kids so you can claim subsidies from your hard working neighbours.

@@cindycheung6062 How about families just need to lower their expenses, get out of debt and be wise with their money? It's absolutely possible to live off of one income and raise children today... Without living off the govt and tax payers.

People get paid by the government to have kids. Every month, parents receive over $600 per a child. It's called the CCB. I think a lot of Canadian people of fertile age don't know that having kids will actually increase your income.

Having kids is not a necessity, it's a luxury.

@@wbay3848 They are able to because China and the West are propping them up with funding and food for their mineral resources, if the funding stopped they would starve.

@@wbay3848in africa kids are source of income as they can be put to work in the fields

MSM will probably continue to be surprised by this for the next 5-10 years

not really, maybe you just made bad choices?

Not really

I am afraid to even get a pet since there is so much risk of being homeless.

i don't know about job security, there are plenty of jobs around that aren't going away. the problem is, most of these jobs don't pay enough to survive. minimum wage used to be enough to afford basics if you work full- time; now we have a separate "living wage" which is much higher than minimum wage, and even that's not enough unless you're in a household where two people are working full-time at this "living wage". also, millennials and younger generations are not the only ones with this problem; plenty of Gen Xers struggle to get by as well.

​@@flopes11 You right I should have bought a house instead being in elementary school

When you have kids, no more peace and quiet in the home.

This.

You're not the only one who feels that way. I too had an unnecessarily dramatic childhood, and since becoming an adult and getting away from my parents, I have no desire to go back to that.

I didn't get to have a childhood cuz of the dipshit things my parents were doing. Now at 28 I feel at peace knowing its alright, can finally start living the life I want.

@MHKing03 I am so sorry that you had an awful childhood. I hope that your adult life is better.

I agree. We've lost how to "just be" and enjoy the world around us without having every moment of our lives scheduled.

Society is suffering, we live in a sick society. A lonely existence is the normal Canadian experience now 😢

@@libertyoverbondagenot just in Canada, but worldwide

If they are in poverty, they chose the looser, else they are getting easy money for child and spousal support. Rules are stacked against men.

My father left my mother after I was born, we lived in a rent until a was 10, I don't want children, I don't want to be like my mother.

@@eszterfodor1136 You have every right to your body and choices in your life.

they'll be fine gov't takes my money to provide them with child benefits for each child not to mention all the extra programs available exclusively for their gender also at my expense.

@@jaespinnaz Don't worry, the women will raise the kids, for the gov't to then take them as soldiers, only to end up as cannon fodder. Money well spent?

Well, at least you still have your son, mate.

Indeed

What's the outside marriage clause for? How does being married change things being you're the man and would still be the primary providers in either instance ?

Tell that to the men who get divorced and lose everything.

@@1anre 2 incomes = material security for the child. Plus the emotional benefits of being raised by 2 parents. It's a brave comment from the OP because most single parents don't like to admit how difficult it is and how badly single parenthood affects their own kids, first and foremost.

I used to live in HK when a family share a bedroom, so maybe it's time to also change our perceptions about everyone has their own room too. Not saying we should automatically lower our living standard .. but the same standard isn't realistic.

@@eeyore345 Yeah we could live in the coffin style suites like in HK....

@@eeyore345 When I visited family in HK in 1994, my cousins (family of 6... mom, dad, 3 daughters, grandma) were living in a one bedroom apartment smaller than my parent's master bedroom + washroom in Vancouver, it was incomprehensible to my 13 year old brain. We live in luxury in Canada.

We have a family of 6 in a 2 bedroom townhouse plus pregnant with baby #5. We live on a single income and my husbands education (from subsaharan Africa) did not transfer. We live simply compared to lots of millennials, but elaborately compared to the majority if humans globally and historically.

@@jennprescott2757 Not sure that's going to pan out well once they become teenagers...

That’s a huge consideration for me.

This is absolutely right. Love, time, and dedication aside-the financial implications of it. On top of housing and rising costs.

Thats a very valid point.

exactly. You have to REALLY want kids and be able to accept whatever you get...not just a disability but also a child whose personality is one that you don't connect with. It is less of an issue when you have multiple kids but when it is just one or two it can really take a toll on your life. Modern medicine and technology has meant severely disabled people live much longer as well...that is a reality we did not have 100 years ago. Having kids is a gamble and more than ever educated people are aware of that. But it always used to be material...kids were free labour for the farm and a necessity. Now they are optional 'pets' basically...someone to share love and life with but with so many downsides, it is too big a risk for something that is not an outright necessity.

Less likely to happen the younger you have kids ! But I understand your thoughts

It's not just poor people not having kids. In fact, it's mainly middle and upper middle class couples.

Some, but most ppl just relized it's overrated.

I don’t even like kids so this isn’t an issue for me

The root cause of all of the skyrocketing cost of living is feminism.

@@user-ld6wo4rv8hI’m not sure it’s entirely fair to say that is the root cause but it certainly is a major contributor. When it was not “normal” for woman and men to work jobs paid more and many things, like housing, was less expensive.

And just to let you know,And the Holy Word of God called our Holy Bibles said, " Children are gift from God and the fruit of the womb is a reward. " ( from the Sacred Book of Psalm chapter 127 : verse 3 ). And also,considering and knowing that me and my family are dedicated,devoted and committed Baptist Evangelical Christians that possessed or owned three daughters and one son.And we just love them,@olenahommel8649!!!

True

Well I wouldn't say slavery... but in Canada we are entering a sort of landlord - serfdom type thing. It's hell here, it's exploitation but it's not slavery.

@@ameliavv1019 At least Canada is a nice place to live. Edit: But it's stating to get pretty dystopian in some ways as well.

@@PistonAvatarGuy Canada is not a good place to live. There is no where affordable to live and our governments line the pockets of corporations. It's all monopolies up here and we pay more for literally everythng. it's a shell of the country I grew up in

For an individual, maybe. As a species, they're absolutely necessary.

@@dmtaboo_truth7052 There are 8 billion of our species. It's not like we're endangered.

​@@fulanichild3138 Well my people are now only a small percentage of that, and quickly dwindling.

@@dmtaboo_truth7052The earth can use less humans tbh. You don’t see other species like lions on every corner of the earth like you see humans.

@@dmtaboo_truth7052 I feel like this is a trap, but I'm going to run with it. Who are your people?

She's a typical CBC type.

@@kikastra... Nope. Just a middle class Canadian. Prettty normal. A lot of Canadians make good money and own property (almost 70% of Canadian families own vs rent) and do quite well as a result. A lot of people I know have kids and are managing just fine.

​@@Karlswebbnah

@@Karlswebb Yes, I'm one of them. But I'm not naive and think that EVERYONE has what I have. And I can see with my own eyes that less and less people can achieve that in this country now and Trudeau and his followers can't see any problems whatsoever, because of attitudes like yours: "I'm doing fine so what's the problem?". Like I said, typical CBC viewer.

@@KarlswebbPlease tell me you’re joking 🤦‍♂️

its the rotshchild banking cartell why government prints so much money.

I remember $40 in groceries for the month now it's $100 too much

The last person that told me that they were afraid of "starving", if they had too many children, was morbidly obese.

Technically this can be an ever ending argument

It's the money. I could not care less who has kids around me.

Since periods can sync there are probably other ways humans sync.

True. And can’t underestimate the immense propaganda surrounding not having children.

Two of my sisters have kids, I feel like pressure has been taken off my shoulders as my parents already have grandkids haha

Right, I wanted a dog but now I just see it as an extra bill. Pet rent is 30/mo + food

Pets are luxuries yet are about as expensive as having children. Not much return on investment.

Its okay to have just one. I did. The big expense was daycare. I was a single parent so I worked...but some couples take the stay-at-home path for the first few years. Usually mom does childcare at home while the dad supports financially. Or mom works part time and uses babysitters so she can work. Nowadays, mom can earn online at home too. She doesn't have to literally stay in the house, she takes baby to the park, to play dates with other moms, to pediatrician appointments, to the supermarket, the mall, the kids section in the library, etc. I used to even take my little one to the pet store to see the little animals. The stroller and crib were beautiful but second hand and some of the clothes too, not all. It can be done.

Try Sweden Norway or Finland 👍🏻 better support systems for families

God supports families and provides for them. The question is does anyone trust Him anymore? No, people are looking for support from other people and the system. Psalm 37:25 KJV - I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread.

That’s quite strange and unnatural feeling

Good on you, not putting pressure on them like so many parents do-having children is a huge, life-altering decision, not something to be chosen lightly. I feel the same way about my son (only 2.5 at the moment)-his life is his life, and kids or no kids, doesn’t matter to me. I just want him to figure out a life for himself one day that is as happy and healthy as it can be 😊 that would be my greatest joy

who are you to decide what is a "natural " feeling @@MrRocca

Stop judging others for what they want in life.

just by observing societal norms?@@isabellacarter2863

You will be judged all your life, this will not go away. Get a thick skin. Talking from experience.

I'm sorry to hear about your struggles. I hope you and your baby find happiness and stability soon.

Not saying this is right but from a business standpoint, I could understand it depending on your apartment. Babies crying eventually becomes toddler running around non-stop and both can be pretty disturbing to neighbours if you live in a house or apartment with poor sound proofing. I used to live in a basement and the couple upstairs had 2 toddlers who were always running and jumping - it was hell. We didn’t last 6 months in that place and literally every year the landlord has to find new tenants because people just won’t stay. I told myself if I ever became a landlord I’m not renting my upstairs to anyone with kids.

Wait, what?! How are you being discriminated against? The landlord has no right or say in your personal life, and this is coming from somebody who is a landlord.

You will get through it. Try to keep a feeding schedule so that the baby doesn't have to cry when hungry. This will reduce complaints from other tenants. I went through single parenting and now my child will start college this year. I got help from my family and from my child's father. I shopped in affordable stores and thrift stores. I used baby sitters so that I could go to work. It was difficult but it can be done. Maybe you will get married and not have to do it without a partner

If you are a guy you still could have a wife and family. Although I wouldn't, today's times are expensive and raising kids more so. It's basically either retire single, career, and well off, or have a family now a days. Family and kids would drain your retirement fund.

First two, yeah. How do children drain self-respect?

@@williamjacobs by having them

😂😂😂​@@isabellacarter2863

100% , it's the main reason for declining birthrates of the native populations.

You live in the most expensive city in Canada. It's not a north america proboem, a you problem hun. 🎉

Same boat in burnaby bro. Good luck to us

It's not bleak in Edmonton at all. I have seven kids and we are doing just fine. Most of our friends have 3 or 4. Try moving, Vancouver is insanely expensive.

@@yanik.ottenbreit You mean the most socialist city in Canada

​@jenfoster128 why would anyone have seven kids in this day and age? you must be a climate change denier.

I couldn't agree more. Until fairly recently, it was assumed that one would have kids. It would be "abnormal" not to. All of the discussions around having or not kids tells me that people are getting wiser in this regard. Just the fact that we have a choice is a good thing.

Do you think it was convenient for people to have kids 500 years ago? What about 1000 years ago?

Agreed! Will nit give my kids over to this wickyd world

Politicians who drop down and bend over for corporate scumbags?

greed is destroying everything

It's definitely abnormal.

Mass immigration is now causing problems so big that the oligarchic regime can't sweep them under the rug anymore.

All true words. but people can't mentally deal with the idea of not providing their children the same living standards they have now. It hurts the pride of a parent.

Spoken like a person who can afford one.

I am 44 with a 9 month old. Honestly best thing I have ever done. Not easy, but not as hard or expensive as I was lead to believe. I didn’t buy any clothes. I got secondhand from friends and family. I could have bought clothes, but why? We have clothes including snow suits until he’s 4. I pay it forward giving clothing to other families. We have cloth diapers, so save on that. Second hand toys or I buy used. I make baby food with frozen veggies, so that not pricey or time consuming. People jokingly call my baby bougie baby, because most of what he has is high end, but nothing is brand new. Childcare is the killer but luckily I have a job with odd hours and the flexibility to bring him to work as needed that we don’t need childcare. Lots of people have grandparents or family to rely on. It will get more expensive as he gets older, but there’s ways around a lot of it without sending him out to climb trees. The biggest thing is being in the right mental space. This doesn’t have kids unless you can afford them, based on what? Who’s budget? It’s time to get creative.

@@mysterym9341 not everyone wants to have a family of four crammed in a 1br condo, if people can't afford a lifestyle they want for their kids, they won't have them.

Sounds awful to raise some sprog.

Definitely. I never had kids and I dont feel like I missed out on anything except alot of work and problems.

best comment on this video!

Do you consider your parents cruel for having you?

@@DAMfoxygrampa Yes. I wish I was never born.

@@silverwing4048 Well boy oh boy do I have a solution for you

So is not having kids.

@@Tomyum19 I would much rather regret not having kids than regret having kids

@@Tomyum19It is easy (and arrogant) to feel justified in creating a new life and gambling with the outcome, when you won’t be the one paying the price for that new existence. When you have a child you are rolling the dice with another person's life, another person's future. How do you justify gambling with another human life?

@@txlyons2937 How are you gambling with another persons life?

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According to Bonnie Steinbock and Ron McClamrock, prospective parents have a moral obligation to consider the lives their children are likely to have. They should not have children if their lives will be sufficiently awful. This is based on the idea that existence itself can be an injury, which is the basis for a new tort known as "wrongful life".

Some people would be great parents and just don't want children. According to BetterHelp, studies show that 27% of adults in the United States choose not to have children. Some reasons people choose not to have children include: Medical reasons Financial situation Lack of a partner Age State of the world Some characteristics of responsible people include: Being reliable, dependable, and trustworthy Understanding the importance of meeting their obligations and living up to their promises Being proactive in identifying and addressing problems Taking steps to ensure that they do not cause harm or inconvenience to others Treating others fairly Honoring their commitments Being environmentally aware Managing their own emotions Trying to discern that of others they are dealing with Responding calmly

It is now considered "responsible" to live with parents as an adult, just play video games and never grow up.

@@believestthouthis7 I'm a Adult still living with my so called parents I'm 25 and I have wanted to move out for a long time but the money issue.

Why is it controlled? How did you get a controlled rent appartment?

you mean the free health care provided to every citizen?

Long wait times... but it's certainly available.

Yes. And basic education. Even if I wanted to have a kid (and I don't), I wouldn't be able to send them to school in my area because the schools are full here. There is a sign from the local school board outside the condo project they're building next to my place that says basically "you can move here, but your kids can't come to our school".

@@flopes11 Free healthcare =/= good. Especially in a corrupt country like that.

the healthcare was free before Canada was corrupt. And the top ranked health care systems in the world are in Europe and free so......@@steffimaier7297

They are gone because? Says who?

@@solmariuce5303 try it, see how quickly you get a call from family and children services that your children under 12 are running around unsupervised. All it takes is one phone call from a grouchy neighbor who doesn't like kids.

That's right. Life is not like you see on those silly Hollywood sitcoms.

@@andromeda_25 and they CAUSED the problems to come in as saviors!

And if they were really worried about the ever increasing population problem, wouldn't they be more focused on the high birth rates in developing countries, and not the first world countries whose birth rate is around replacement rate or lower? Yeah...something about this doesn't add up....

I feel the same. No wife means no drama. No kids means no problems and no headaches.

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Kids are pretty resilient man Just give them positive attention, be stern, set boundaries. But your number on most important goal is to raise a human that will be liked by other humans If you achieve that, she will have the support system she needs beyond you That means being stern when you need to, and shaping up rampant behaviour. It means not letting her get sunk into iPhone and social media For you, don't think glass-half-empty. Your life didn't stop when she arrived. Never think that. Your life only just began when she was born. Dates and parties and concerts and whatever are all meaningless ecstasy shots A child will repay a pound of attention with a ton of joy. If nothing else they can distract you from all the suck of life like nothing else. Lastly, be careful with therapy my friend. Sometimes therapists can lead you to convincing yourself to embody the diagnosis rather than solve it Times might be tough, but setting a goal and trudging thru it is the best medicine. Your daughter by your side is a bonus ❤

I am 25 years old and still live with my so-called parents, who turned 60 this year, and my sister has Down syndrome. The mother will have to take care of my sister for the rest of her life, and my sister will never be able to move out or take care of herself.

Your "so-called parents"? "The mother"?

Jobs are never truly secure, it's just an illusion

There is just no way for the economy to get bigger and stronger each year. To encourage population growth just to do so is absolute madness. Eventually, we have to pay the piper. We all need to live within our means which, I believe, includes scaling back the economy to a reasonable state with flat population growth.

And the work culture is terrible in the big cities over there. Not only do you not have money, you don't have the time if you want to keep your job.

@@Confelicity_ The birth rate around the world has never been lower. The economy is set to crash and so is the real estate market.

There are always wars going on somewhere. I get not having kids because of affordability, but i'm puzzled by the doom and gloom about the state of the world. This is going to be seen in hindsight as a time of global stability. We're not living in the great depression, or the world wars, or the cold war (where nuclear armageddon could have easily broken out over a misunderstanding). The worse thing happening now is that there's a war going on somewhere (like always), and the climate will be warmer in the future than it is now.

​@@Zoetheratu wrote all that to say what?

Antinatalism will always win

We are carbon based life forms. There's your "footprint".

Considering the state of the world rn, I do believe people who keep having kids are very selfish. Their offspring didn't choose to come here and deal with a severe lack of resources once they hit their teenage years, it's absolute lunacy to keep this going. I'm 28 and always wanted to be a mom but not anymore, can't even afford a place of my own. Then you add the severe droughts looming over my country in the next years and yes, I feel confident in my decision of not bringing another human to suffer with me.

@eurekamreum5458 🤗 It is tough. You're examples are exactly what I'm thinking of. I just felt many years ago that there were already too many people on the planet and opted to not have children. It was never a huge drive of mine to have children but still, I made sure to NOT have any.

Overpopulation is a myth.

What made you think you needed one ?

Thats sad. I wish u the best.

You think of your precious child as the "worst decision of your life"? It's a good thing that that isn't God's view. Psalm 27:10 KJV - When my father and my mother forsake me, then the Lord will take me up.

Well, it’s not too bad until they start preschool and various classes + constantly outgrowing their clothes. I’ve got two and I don’t see how it’s going to get any easier within time.

I disagree. You can get all necessary baby items for free or dirt cheap, and by breastfeeding and using washable diapers it's also dirt cheap. Also free pregnancy followup and delivery vs the US where the hospital bills are insane.

Exactly, it's like all people have swallowed this lie that having kids must be expensive, when it's all about being creative with financial decisions...@@Sekhmet19aspie

One of the situations you might have are these. 1) Son asks, "Dad, can you buy me a car?" You reply, "Son, I can't afford to buy you a car. There's the family car. You borrow it anytime you want." Then son says, "Jimmy's dad bought him a car." 2) Son asks, "Dad, can you buy me a laptop?" You reply, "Son, I can't afford to buy you a laptop. There's the family computer. You can use it anytime you want." Then son says, "Tommy's dad bought him a brand new laptop." Maybe it's better just not to have kids.

@bmoshareholderappleshareho855 Based on your logic if you can't buy your kid everything in the world, it's better just not to have them ? Lol

The average stem wage in Canada is 63k so that's close to 130k income. Either you chose your career poorly or you are not as frugal as you claim. I bought a house in Ontario for 500k 2 years after college making less than what minimum wages is now.

@@flopes11 For someone in "STEMM", the idea that you're invoking "less than minimum wage now" after one of the worst inflation and cost of living hikes we've seen in generations says a LOT about your unwillingness to approach pretty much ANY argument in good faith. It also says A LOT you fail to disclose WHEN that was, or WHERE. I'm sure anyone could roll up to a bumpkin town in rural Manitoba and buy property and a house, but since most employers refuse to employ out of their geographical locations, that's not realistic, so frankly, cut the crap. My spouse was teaching in a university developing courses, running labs, and leading research on bariatric studies for cell markers. They made roughly $54k a year before tax despite having a masters degree. All the labs developing vaccines prior to covid were paying $16/hr, only a dollar higher than minimum wage AND required you be working on your masters. The house we bought was selling for $60k over it's pre-covid value less than a year prior. We got a notice of tax assessment less than 4 months after possession notifying us that the value had increased by another $30k and our taxes would be increased to reflect that. Just about every single house we put a bid in on was selling for close to $50k over, full cash payment, no house inspection or conditions. Maybe use your brain and realize that not everything is about you, and just because other people's experiences YEARS after you had yours aren't automatically less than just because they don't fit your bias. Our unwillingness to exceed the 30% threshold for our income was a barrier because we elected to not be house broke, or lose our house when the VERY predictable ballooning inflation jacked up the mortgage rates. It's called not being a fool with your money.

@@thatsrealroughbud...2394 as someone living in a rural bumpkin town in Manitoba I’m mildly offended lol 😂

@@flopes11 being close to a support system (friends and family) is extremely important for parents. Saying someone should just move would remove them from said support system. While it may solve one problem it creates a new problem.

I'm not telling anyone to move, I'm saying if I can do it in Ontario (second most expensive province), you can do it anywhere in Canada@@lilyc649

That's the point. However trust in King Yeshua for He delivers from such evil

Most breeders are just mindless conformists who had children because they knew it was expected of them, and it's what everyone else was doing.