Why Galaxy Succeeds Where Skyward Sword Fails Miserably.

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Why Galaxy Succeeds Where Skyward Sword Fails Miserably.

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In this video we are going onto a journey starting with the design of the Topman tribe in Super Mario Galaxy. We are not only going to discuss how those Super Mario Galaxy enemies might came to be, and why Super Mario Galaxy has such a unique premise, but we will also theorize about the economic restraints under which Super Mario Galaxy was developed by Nintendo, how those restraints might have forced Nintendo to make a huge gamble, how this gamble paid off at first, and how it almost ended up burning down the Wii's legacy years later.
00:00 - Intro
02:49 - Meet the Topman
08:08 - Shake To Save
14:36 - How Not to Capitalize on Success
21:09 - The Return of the Topman Tribe
------------------Credits for the Music-------------------------
Super Mario Galaxy OST - Good Egg Galaxy
Super Mario Galaxy OST - Comet Observatory 2
Super Mario Galaxy OST - Attack of the Airships
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time OST - Song of Storms
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time OST - Gerudo Valley
The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword OST - Faron Woods
Paper Mario, Origami King OST - Sweetpaper Valley
Paper Mario, Origami King OST - The Elastic Entertainer Enters
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HolFix - Beyond The Kingdom
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------Kevin MacLeod
"Adventure Meme"
Kevin MacLeod incompetech.com
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@mithkabob 3 жыл бұрын

The reason for the awkward save menu is surprisingly simple: it's the Wii standard menu set up by the company for all Nintendo games at release. I'm assuming they wanted a consistent menu interaction experience between all of their games, regardless if the game focused on motion controls or not and the default would cater to motion control use.

@szazorkan 3 жыл бұрын

It's actually surprisingly simple!

@Megapig9001 3 жыл бұрын

Except the Wii version actually lets you use the joystick lol; the Switch port took out the ability to use it

@inspectahgex1910 3 жыл бұрын

@@Megapig9001 Not in the original Galaxy. In Galaxy 2, you could use the joystick, but you couldn't in Galaxy 1.

@KairuHakubi 3 жыл бұрын

I hope they learned their lesson about appealing to a casual audience this isn't like the 80s when using ROB and a euphemistic console title helped sneak videogames onto toy shelves at a time when computer gaming was crashing... THAT worked because they replaced the shit quality of the current gaming standard with a new high standard and genuine fun. They were just selling BETTER games to people who liked games. appealing to non-gamers is planting seeds in 1 cm of dirt and then later asking why the plants have no roots. Non-gamers will not convert. they would have by now. non-gamers in the late 2000s were not the same people who refused to buy normal game computers in the 80s. The chances of hooking new long-term players is zero, and long-term gains are the only ones that matter.

@Refreshment01 3 жыл бұрын

@@KairuHakubi Except Ceave is wrong in this case. The Nintendo traditional games sold really well on Wii. TP was the best selling Zelda game at the moment, MK Wii is still the best selling MK, the 2 Galaxy games had the best 3D mario sales, Smash put up records numbers also. Most Nintendo brands put up better numbers than the previous 2 generations, except for the case of Metroid Prime 3, which didn't sales as much as Prime 1, but we can't ignore that Prime 2 on GC took a nose dive in sales.

@ChristopherMoom 3 жыл бұрын

I feel like one day Ceave's going to upload an insane video titled "Why Goombas Are The Mushroom Kingdom's Strongest Lifeform And The Reason For Metroid Prime 4's Delay" at this rate

@CasualSunGod42 3 жыл бұрын

There might be bias seeing as Ceave is (NOT) a Goomba, but that would be fun!

@DefinitiveDubs 3 жыл бұрын

"Why World 2-4 Is The Best Level Ever Made And How Bowser Did 9/11"

@chamtheman551 3 жыл бұрын

Hey hey heeeeeeey Found you once again

@vulblhotdiessfi 3 жыл бұрын

Christopher Moon, WHY DOES EVERY VIDEO I WATCH YOU ALSO DO

@gg1k 3 жыл бұрын

@@DefinitiveDubs the truth revealed

@superdude11235 3 жыл бұрын

"Hit the subscribe button without me showing you a tutorial on how to do it" It's sad how accurate this is

@AdmiralBobbery123 3 жыл бұрын

I really appreciate the content you’ve been putting out lately. You approach these topics from a really unique perspective and well thought out approach, with really effective and carefully constructed arguments.

@sergeantguy8887 3 жыл бұрын

Same!

@Nightwalk09 3 жыл бұрын

yeah !

@Natesuki 3 жыл бұрын

Ceave is that weird gaming uncle that always knows how to turn something into a lesson

@DireBowser 3 жыл бұрын

He's probably the coolest uncle

@benc.3244 3 жыл бұрын

The Award for the Most Backhanded Comment goes to...

@utubeiskaren7796 3 жыл бұрын

I feel like you’re from the future or the past idk why

@usernametaken017 3 жыл бұрын

Uncoe caev iz a vry gud meario mein

@hollow3656 3 жыл бұрын

A Light Switch, to flip it. A stool, to sit on it. A Fuzzy, to hug it. All seems normal in a Ceave video.

@Cootshk 3 жыл бұрын

yea because ceave is the only person who would ever hug a fuzzy

3 жыл бұрын

But remember what happens when you touch Fuzzy

@hollow3656 3 жыл бұрын

@ Nothing. Are you new here? Fuzzies are meant to be hugged.

@divVerent 3 жыл бұрын

@@hollow3656 Actually, if you touch fuzzy, you get dizzy. At least if you're a dinosaur carrying a baby plumber.

@hollow3656 3 жыл бұрын

@@divVerent Are you sure? They feel fuzzy.

@givrally7634 3 жыл бұрын

You know when you learn about something and you can't stop noticing it everywhere ? I'm doing it with the design. Warp stars spin when you're near them, to indicate that they are designed to be spinned. Meteors have hues of red to indicate they're ouchy.

@harttman123 3 жыл бұрын

At this point, I'm convinced Ceave can make a video talking about the origin of Waluigi in Mario Tennis and how it relates to GTA V.

@jacksonbarrett5751 3 жыл бұрын

Ceave in 2017: how to make a cool level in mario maker Ceave in 2021: why that one pixel in new super mario wii is stupid and it destroyed the sonic franchise

@FederalPoop02 3 жыл бұрын

This comment just made my day

@aidenpons9584 3 жыл бұрын

reminds me of Mayro who plays a lot of NSMW and her perpetual complaints about fan-made tiling (the way tiles lock together into something cohesive, eg a platform with a hidden area below it), so, maybe it's not as far-fetched as you think...

@jainimaijainitai 3 жыл бұрын

Aidenpons *her

@ceratoraptorthedestroyer 3 жыл бұрын

@@jainimaijainitai *him

@jainimaijainitai 3 жыл бұрын

ceratoraptor destroyer of worlds Mayro is transgender.

@AmbrosiaPoly-yolkEgg 3 жыл бұрын

The save prompt's motion controls are a lot more obvious on the wii, where pointer will switch visibly to a hand unlike on switch where the pointer is simply invisible at that time, the switch version removed a layer of communication there, and did nothing to compensate.

@andrewu8525 3 жыл бұрын

I never struggled with that as your remote is typically pointed in the general direction of the TV and in order to enter a level you have to point. I just ended up already being in the area. Switch controllers are small enough to be held at odd angles like the joystick attachment was.

@KairuHakubi 3 жыл бұрын

that collection is an unmitigated porting disaster.

@gardelumbwacker 3 жыл бұрын

I thought the title said "why the topman enemy is the most genius fatal flaw of skyward sword

@waridchowdhury387 3 жыл бұрын

Ya same lol

@pokedude720 3 жыл бұрын

Sane

@unworthy.potato 3 жыл бұрын

Wait, is that not what the video is about :(

@coryr4335 3 жыл бұрын

@@unworthy.potato it pretty much is

@Broockle 3 жыл бұрын

I just look at the thumbnails.

@floofsartstudio9537 3 жыл бұрын

Let’s just take a moment to appreciate Ceave’s voice and his ability to make silly topics into a serious analysis with a good amount of humor

@AxxLAfriku 3 жыл бұрын

I am thinking about dropping out of school to focus on my career as a star on KZfaq. I already make a lot of money on KZfaq. School bores me so much. I need more opinions and since I don't have any friends, I gotta ask you, flo

@leWelleander 3 жыл бұрын

But also the ability to explain serious things really silly! :)

@floofsartstudio9537 3 жыл бұрын

@@AxxLAfriku I’d recommend finishing school just in case it doesn’t end up working out

@KelseyHigham 3 жыл бұрын

@@AxxLAfriku stay in school, you’ll be a more skilled KZfaqr if you have a thorough education

@suddenllybah 3 жыл бұрын

hoo ray

@shrimplysuperior 3 жыл бұрын

'Barely anyone would push on the pull handles' i am now officially a minority

@FederalPoop02 3 жыл бұрын

Near where I live, there's a restaurant I usually go to that has pull handles on the door even though you're supposed to push it. To solve the problem they put a sign with "push" written on it, but that whole thing always messes with my brain and makes me feel stupid

@qlum 3 жыл бұрын

I know of cases where vertical handles are used for pushing, so it makes sense to use it that way. The other way around, not so much.

@Merennulli 3 жыл бұрын

I know a lot of places that have either the "pull" or "push" handles on both sides of doors that aren't double-hinged. I think a lot of people think it's an aesthetic choice and just make them match.

@darkmage35 3 жыл бұрын

A much better example would be a door that has a flat metal hand panel vs a door that has a loose ring handle. That would really be push-only vs pull-only.

@thechocolatearmor5797 3 жыл бұрын

@@FederalPoop02 they literally over-tutorialized a door lol

@CasualSunGod42 3 жыл бұрын

Topman vs. Bottomman would be a battle for the ages.

@roosterboots4684 3 жыл бұрын

What about Versman?

@CasualSunGod42 3 жыл бұрын

@@roosterboots4684 That's literally a Topman glued to a Bottomman. Could be interesting game design!

@burnttoast6974 3 жыл бұрын

They’re gonna lose their minds when Sideman joins in

@lordecramox7394 3 жыл бұрын

Bottomwoman

@marthamartinez6887 3 жыл бұрын

Well topman would win because he's on top.

@JJGamezMC 3 жыл бұрын

Most people: “what does that title even mean” Me, an intellect, and a Ceave content enjoyer: “Well it’s surprisingly simple”

@michaelduff2382 3 жыл бұрын

a intellect

@JJGamezMC 3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelduff2382 shhhh

@desmondruhling 3 жыл бұрын

Nobody ruin my 69th like creation

@Penguin-gm1fd 3 жыл бұрын

@@desmondruhling people ruined it, but i made it 169 likes

@lord6992 3 жыл бұрын

Hi riki from xenoblade chronicles

@newwhale8610 3 жыл бұрын

All of these half hour long analysis are beautiful

@mrcombustiblelemon2902 3 жыл бұрын

The plural of analysis is analyses. Also agreed.

@purcinnamon7404 3 жыл бұрын

@@mrcombustiblelemon2902 usually i dont like correctors, BUT that is super interesting. Nice info

@mrcombustiblelemon2902 3 жыл бұрын

@@purcinnamon7404 most of the time, being "that guy" is as painful for me as it is for you (although I suppose others might be doing it because they like it). I view it as a necessary evil, because without someone teaching you what's right, you'll just continue to be wrong, and I don't want people to be wrong unintentionally.

@Chuckles-9838 3 жыл бұрын

These videos are like when the English teacher focuses on why one word was used by an author instead of a different word, except this makes sense

@utubeiskaren7796 3 жыл бұрын

“It doesn’t mean that this thing is a bad thing, it sort of means that this thing is a thing thing” -Ceave 2021

@nintendude78 3 жыл бұрын

I love how you pick the most random topics and are able to make a really good point out of it

@Trascist 3 жыл бұрын

“There’s a reason i hammered a tin foil hat to my wall.” Me: “what reason?” “I couldn’t help myself.” Oh

@julienmauguin3214 3 жыл бұрын

Understandable, have a great day

@Excalibur7474 3 жыл бұрын

I'm not the best with accents, so sometimes, I can't quite understand what you're saying. Which *would* be a shame because you're actually a really smart dude with tons of fresh ideas. However, these videos are always uploaded with accessible captions from the get go. I appreciate these videos for that, and for you making that extra effort. Keep it up, man.

@cubedude8690 3 жыл бұрын

It's funny how the trailer for skyward sword remake just got released and ceave made a video on the game. But it certainly wasn't BECAUSE of the direct, since that was very recent. Edit: I was wrong

@YounesLayachi 3 жыл бұрын

You're not wrong. The video was scripted and recorded weeks before the direct. Ceave just added a screenshot of the recent news while editing the video at the last minute. Otherwise he would have talked about it

@CasualSunGod42 3 жыл бұрын

@@YounesLayachi Yeah, it might make more sense if the video wasn't DIRECTly related to the announcement.

@YounesLayachi 3 жыл бұрын

@@CasualSunGod42 the video isn't directly related to the announcement ;) Skyward sword is directly linked to the other big Nintendo title on the same console, Mario galaxy, and ceave made a video about SM64, SM Sunshine, and now SM galaxy. In the SM64 video he compared the mario game to the equivalent Zelda game of the same console. It's not unreasonable to also compare galaxy to skyward sword because doing so helps explain Nintendo's mindset and decisions at that particular point in time

@CasualSunGod42 3 жыл бұрын

@@YounesLayachi Oh, sorry, I think I phrased that weirdly. Just to clarify, I wasn't trying to imply that it's related. It's probably not.

@gameninjac6608 3 жыл бұрын

"Galaxy really succeeds with this, except for when it does not." Sound reasoning, I see.

@xhantTheFirst 3 жыл бұрын

In other news, every 60 seconds in Africa a minute passes

@nyxmiloq4167 3 жыл бұрын

It's hard to argue with this assessment

@GourmetSubZee 3 жыл бұрын

[Insert meme about what the floor is made of here]

@Redder_Creeps 2 жыл бұрын

Reasonable enough

@CreamyIce314 3 жыл бұрын

Wait a second, it should be "Galaxy's" not "Galaxies" (title might be changed if this comment is old)

@thomasbuckley6999 3 жыл бұрын

@wariolandgoldpiramid 3 жыл бұрын

@yoshiking6027 3 жыл бұрын

@@theAstarrr still wrong as of 14 minitues later

@jayman4432 3 жыл бұрын

Galaxies is the plural version of Galaxy. At Disneyland California, their is a themed area called Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge. So yes, it should be "Galaxy's" as it is the possessive form of galaxy, the possession being the Topman

@uiinpui 3 жыл бұрын

@@yoshiking6027 still wrong as of 29 minutes later

@Koushakur 3 жыл бұрын

People didn't really buy Link Crossbow Training, they bought the Wii Zapper peripheral and a game happened to be attached to it.

@derekw8039 3 жыл бұрын

That's how Wii Sports got into the list of 10 best selling video games

@willstahl816 3 жыл бұрын

Skyward Sword's "overtutorialization", slow text, and general quality of life was pretty bad. But thinking about overtutorialization just reminds me of Mario and Luigi: Dream Team, being magnitudes worse than Skyward Sword in that department.

@Ultimaximus 3 жыл бұрын

Pokemon also suffered from it, with characters teaching you that water is good against fire, and then having their minds blown when you use water against fire

@Refreshment01 3 жыл бұрын

INCREDIBLE, you just read my mind, this exactly what i was thinking while watching the video & wanted to pointed to Ceave here. This is a trend within the Mario Adventures games that spans multiple consoles & is not a Wii specific thing. i remember this has been pointed out to Nintendo for decades that they should accomodate both veterans and beginners by having an option to skip tutorials. Twilight Princess is another example but in this case they opted for the idea to both integrate the tutorial with the world building, interesting for the 1st playthrough not really for subsequent ones.

@xXFoiXx 3 жыл бұрын

Well they could fix it for the remaster. Spoiler: They wont.

@greekgeek4074 3 жыл бұрын

True, people will just buy it the same way they bought 3D All-Stars. At least this game won't disappear on March 31.

@Pedro_eqw 3 жыл бұрын

Why don't they fix it though? A simple option to turn off the tutorials in the menu should solve the problem, it's so simple. I will never understand why they do this.

@SmashSSL 3 жыл бұрын

@@Pedro_eqw Minimal effort sells anyway, sadly

@Pedro_eqw 3 жыл бұрын

@@SmashSSL Yeah but this "minimal" effort is too low!

@SmashSSL 3 жыл бұрын

@@Pedro_eqw Yeah :(

@ryansullivan3085 3 жыл бұрын

Finally someone else who loves the Wii U. The only reasonable explanation for its failure is the garbage marketing. I really like it better than the switch.

@sneakysam6564 3 жыл бұрын

For the reason that the motion controls are only used for saving I would say it wasn’t anything like that. It was probably an oversight honestly because you can save and use the menus with the joystick in Galaxy 2

@kristol569 3 жыл бұрын

You can also use it in Galaxy 1, it was just removed for the switch port

@HD-nb7kw 3 жыл бұрын

Skyward sword was actually my first Zelda game, so I represented Nintendo's target audience. I can tell you that that game failed in being accessible; maybe I was just dumb but I had no idea what I was supposed to be doing at the start of the game.

@PineappleDealer37 3 жыл бұрын

Meanwhile rain world: Why to explain something to player or introduce it to him in safety environment? Just throw random stuff at player and look how he is reacting.

@lordecramox7394 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah Rain World taught me about spiders in the Shaded Citadel. It was a life changing experience, as an arachnophobe. *I barely slept for the next couple of days.*

@PineappleDealer37 3 жыл бұрын

@@lordecramox7394 imagine also being nyctophobic

@PineappleDealer37 3 жыл бұрын

@@lordecramox7394 have you saw red spider yet? :P

@lordecramox7394 3 жыл бұрын

@@PineappleDealer37 Not yet, I haven't played much since then.

@mjoonlight9919 3 жыл бұрын

rain world's tutorial is as brief as telling you that you can eat food and basic controls, everything else is a reward for the player to discover/learn. tis p cool

@colfdralegend 3 жыл бұрын

You know, if Nintendo wants to keep Fi’s “I’m detecting blah blah blah” crap, they could just, idk, do something like what persona 5 did by just having a text box appear in the corner without interrupting the gameplay Though persona 5 had the luxury of being voiced so...

@grim66 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's an interesting point. When an important detail is voice acted, it's much harder to miss it unintentionally. If they tried to take P5's approach, but didn't have voice acting, then you risk alienating people who miss the dialogue box and then don't get the important detail.

@Naxtor72 3 жыл бұрын

On behalf of the menu's buttons, on the Wii Console NOTHING used the Joystick, Even Selecting a Game from the Main Menu had to be with Motion Controls, so it makes more sense to assume the buttons are like that on the Nintendo Switch.

@nathannelson4464 3 жыл бұрын

That’s what I hated about galaxy, I never really got good at the motion controls.

@amiibantnmrn8268 3 жыл бұрын

Ceave out of context: Basic knobs don't communicate.

@legoboy7107 3 жыл бұрын

Another thing to point out is, for the topman enemy, even if its intuitive design fails to tell the player what to do because the player just can't get it, there's also a luma there that hints at what to do for those who need it, but that luma is completely OPTIONAL, you don't have to talk to it. So they really covered all bases with that one, having an intuitive concept that people can figure out what to do with on their own, but having a backup _optional_ "tutorial" of sorts for those who can't.

@PineappleDealer37 3 жыл бұрын

He's gonna review all all stars games partially, let's a go!

@Oakshield2 3 жыл бұрын

I remember watching some videos of his before and never saw his face. He looks almost exactly like I thought. Only missing a chef hat.

@exci8401 3 жыл бұрын

I remember going through the Master Quest in Skyward Sword and they literally make you do the tutorial again. I love this game but you have to beat the game to even get a Master Quest save file like how does this even happen.

@zoruasnivy 3 жыл бұрын

That door explanation made me smile because that's the first lesson of UX design. "Don't Make Me Think" is a great book people should read if they want an idea of what I mean

@scwhikgaming 3 жыл бұрын

yea im a zelda fan, I have 50+ hours in crossbow training

@lukelcs8934 3 жыл бұрын

Cool to see a video more like this coming from you. Most of the videos I've seen by you are Mario Maker creations, but this was a really thoughtful, in-depth, and engaging look into how games are made, what makes them good, and why they're sometimes made the way they are. As an aspiring developer myself, I always find this kinda stuff really interesting. Not sure if this is something newer for the channel, or if you've been doing this kind of video for a while, but either way, I'd love to see more :D

@connormcpike240 3 жыл бұрын

The fatal flaw of Skyward Sword is that half of the wii motion pluses don't stay calibrated for more than a second

@snoconeex8856 3 жыл бұрын

Ceave's a psychic. Creating a video about skyward sword before it even came to the switch in a direct! Magical.

@fredrickgamer9128 3 жыл бұрын

I like how he made this video not knowing about the remake and came out with instant relevant content.

@laytonjr6601 3 жыл бұрын

In Ocarina of Time, Navi talks only if you press a button to summon her. In Twilight Princess, Midina talks only if you press a button to summon her. In Skywords Sword, Fay talks to you without your consent.

@BloodyAltima 3 жыл бұрын

Further, Midna also has reasonably fun writing, Navi is at least tolerably boring, but Fi is just annoying emotionless robot girl.

@dusklunistheumbreon 3 жыл бұрын

Navi talks to you automatically *way* more than you remember. Hell, in the first dungeon *alone* she tells you how to climb a fucking *ladder* and how to open an unlocked door. Two of the most obvious concepts in gaming and she *still* explained it. There's also her telling you *every* time you walk into a room with a wallmaster. Or the dozens of other pointless popups.

@SteampunkSavage 3 жыл бұрын

“Barely anyone would push those” Watch me every time I attempt to leave work

@Merennulli 3 жыл бұрын

When we first moved into our current office, we had a tally being kept on the whiteboard for each person who pulled the push door. Everyone quickly got into the double digits.

@SteampunkSavage 3 жыл бұрын

@@Merennulli We developed as the smartest species and yet we still cannot learn how to open doors right...

@Merennulli 3 жыл бұрын

@@SteampunkSavage In fairness, it takes other species even longer to open them right.

@NunnyNugget 3 жыл бұрын

Ceave, on April fools, please make a tutorial on how to subscribe.

@TheLegoNation 3 жыл бұрын

At least you can used a joy stick to move through menus in Mario galaxy 2

@thebibi78 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah and it saves automatically which is really neat. They learned from their mistakes !

@Megapig9001 3 жыл бұрын

And Galaxy 1; the Switch version of Galaxy is what removed the joystick functionality on the menus. You can still use it in the Wii Version.

@TheLegoNation 3 жыл бұрын

@@Megapig9001 not true the Wii version you have to use pointer controls and same with the switch version

@Megapig9001 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheLegoNation I played the Wii Version a few months before the Switch Version came out, and I remember being able to use the joystick for the menus. I could very well be wrong though. I'll go back and double check later.

@TheLegoNation 3 жыл бұрын

@@Megapig9001 you might just be thinking of galaxy 2 because galaxy 1 never had that

@AmselOwl 3 жыл бұрын

They literally have an instant text feature fully programmed in the game. It works perfectly well and they just never used it, even in master mode.

@Superkid33 3 жыл бұрын

When I first played Skyward Sword when I was super little. I didn’t know how to read very well. I somehow solved the problems without Fii’s help because of the visual cues and common sense... they definitely didn’t need to have Fii talk so much.

@purrowpet 3 жыл бұрын

I literally just had a UI Design course last quarter. It's really cool to see those concepts applied to game analysis. The Design of Everyday Things was a mandatory read, of course.

@JustJum 3 жыл бұрын

I was stuck on the topman boss fight for ages because I never figured out I had to jump on it... I guess I'm simply too dumb

@FederalPoop02 3 жыл бұрын

No, that's ok. A year ago or so (when I was almost 18), I started playing super mario galaxy 2 again for the first time in years and decided to make progress in my save file. I never played the first galaxy, and I got this game when I was 11 or something. When I got to the boss rush galaxy (the one where you fight bosses from smg1), I got stuck on the big mole battle for like half an hour, because I had absolutely no idea that I had to ground pound next to it. I know this is not a design flaw (the mistake was assuming that I had also played the first game before), I just want to say that it's normal to get stuck on a boss fight because you don't fully understand the gimmick

@vanKarsie 3 жыл бұрын

@@FederalPoop02 I played the first game in 3d all stars and it also took me 10 lives before i figured out you had to ground pound it, even though there were lots of moles in that galaxy that you also had to ground pound. The problem i personally have with that boss fight is that it feels very unintuitive to me that you have to ground pound when the big mole comes out of the ground

@bobboberson8297 3 жыл бұрын

@@FederalPoop02 I'm pretty sure everyone takes a while to realize you have to ground pound the mole boss. That boss has very questionable design in my opinion

@one-up7498 3 жыл бұрын

I played legend of Zelda when I was 7 and the trail of courage took me actual days to finish (it was also like the 8th game I ever played) no idea why I typed this but you guys should share your trail of courage stories

@nathanbui7265 3 жыл бұрын

I died when i woke up the guardians after stepping in the water around the tree and then i avoided the trial for like a week.

@samseltoter560 3 жыл бұрын

I stepped out of the circle and everything turned red. I freaked out and quit and didn't finish it until like 2 years later. (I was also seven)

@beanburrito4405 3 жыл бұрын

Title is misspelled. Oops! -1 Fuzzy for “Galaxies” instead of “Galaxy’s”

@TrivXx 3 жыл бұрын

Man I love your videos. You have such a unique and soothing voice and touch on such niche topics that wouldn't normally interest me.

@GrandOldBoarGames Жыл бұрын

Ceave Gaming, you conflated affordances and signifiers. Affordances are ways you can interact with something, signifiers are cues that inform what affordances something may have. A bar on a door affords pushing, as in it is easy to push on the bar, but it also signals that a user can push it. In contrast, a bar also affords pulling, you can tug on the bar, but it does not immediately signal that the door is a pull door as when someone sees a bar, they don't immediately think "I should pull this." To quote The Design of Everyday Things: "Affordances define what actions are possible. Signifiers specify how people discover those possibilities: signifiers are signs, perceptible signals of what can be done." In the plywood example, plywood and glass both afford smashing, while only glass affords shattering. Glass signals that something can be smashed, while plywood does not signal that it can be smashed. Its a small distinction which is muddled in the first edition of the book (The Psychology of Everyday Things) but is discussed specifically in the the Design of Everyday Things because it is often confused.

@Moss_Dude 3 жыл бұрын

On the Wii version you could menu with just the Nun-chuk. You spent like 5 minutes talking about an issue with random changes to the switch port instead of the game itself.

@Fannintendociccio1 3 жыл бұрын

I get what you mean, but honestly I've played skyward sword and loved it and the fi thing never occured to me... I don't think her repeating everything is supposed to be over-tutorialization, I always read it as that being her personality as a awkward android thingie with no real social cues and focused solely on her duty and her reporting role to link. There are even some silly gags in the game about it if I remember correctly, of her repeating everything an NPC just said to link in their face only for em to react weirdly about it. Like, it happens so much it really does seem to be intentionally made cuz that's how fi acts, which is what i honestly find very charming and silly about fi (her not realizing she isn't needed as a medium to relate information to link, since that was her whole purpose of being made and such), not because it's just the game regurgitating in a 4th wall tutorial sort of break the same info twice in a row.

@jakfrost25 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, nobody ever seems to touch on Fi’s development of characterisation or her role in the narrative, both of which were some of the best parts of the game. Her goodbye alone was easily one of the most emotional of any companion’s, if not the most. Guess people just like to harp on about negatives, instead of bringing any new ideas to the conversation.

@Fannintendociccio1 3 жыл бұрын

@@jakfrost25 indeed, indeed

@northpenguins 3 жыл бұрын

I remember finding this channel 5 years ago and have been watching ever since. Glad to see the video qualities consistent improve, i was really suprised you only had around 7000-17000 subs for the quality back then. I don't know how to end this comment, but thanks

@FinnTaich 3 жыл бұрын

I’ve been watching Ceave for a while now and I have to say it’s pretty cool to see his content shift from silly videos about avoiding nasty, evil coins to more intellectually stimulating (yet still entertaining) videos about Nintendo’s sales trends and psychological analyses of game developers. Hooray.

@sabalschuster2909 3 жыл бұрын

Do you have a PO box or shipping address? I want to send you a fuzzy.

@gabeclips70 3 жыл бұрын

0:01 - Intro 2:50 - Part 1: Meet The Topman 8:09 - Part 2: Shake to Save 14:37 - Part 3: How to Not Capitalize on Success 21:10 - Part 4: The Return of the Topman Tribe 25:06 - Outro

@pallukun 3 жыл бұрын

7:06 its also worth noting that the bosses spit our star bits when they take damage, which tells the player that they have done exactly what they needed to and to do it again

@tomwhite48 3 жыл бұрын

Ceave - these videos are phenomenal. I’m a longtime Nintendo fan (since I was 5!) and have continued to be throughout my life, but I’m not someone who is generally into the modern day “gamer culture” (no online gaming, don’t watch twitch, ..not even sure if “watch” is the right verb to use for twitch.., etc). But these videos have been a constant bright spot for me over the past year or so since I discovered them. I appreciate how you approach these topics in a thoughtful way, and how your commentary throughout the videos is good natured and fun (and hilarious). Every week I’m excited to see the next Ceave video. Also - despite being a huge fan of your work for over a year, this is the first video I’m commenting on because you hit the nail on the head with skyward sword. The over-explanation in that game and the departure from Nintendo’s normal “show don’t tell” approach really threw me off. Never thought about it in the context of the casual gamers that the Wii had attracted - you’re spot on! Thanks for these videos and please keep them coming!! :)

@WaluigiGoesWa 3 жыл бұрын

Yo lets go!

@JGeerse 3 жыл бұрын

First WAAAAA CHAIN

@Sperlunk. 3 жыл бұрын

WAAAAA

@winzigerflashendeckel6894 3 жыл бұрын

@shayminup7 3 жыл бұрын

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@CasualSunGod42 3 жыл бұрын

3:33 "So this may sound like the most boring story ever, but it is actually surprisingly relevant for us today and we will come back to this in a second, but first we HAVE TO THANK OUR SPONSOR, RAID SHADOW LEGENDS!" Ceave is a KZfaqr whom I trust not to do that. Thank you, sir.

@elisechandler3693 3 жыл бұрын

I'm so happy that you finally talked about galaxy! I almost thought that you thought the game didn't exist!

@kalahariswirl1231 3 жыл бұрын

Super Mario Galaxy was among one of my first Mario platforming games I got, and when I first played it I was but a wee little child, and I feel like the fact that they made everything so simple in this game as Ceave has outlined was one of the main factors in me getting into Mario. If the game was filled with tutorials and slow gameplay, little me would have been bored and confused and probably stopped playing, but because of the clever design (easy to understand levels, lots of satisfactory moments, and intuitive gameplay) of the game I loved it and that game is probably why I am such a big Mario fan today. Great video Ceave, keep it up!

@doomse150 3 жыл бұрын

4:38 But most doors have the same kind of knob on both sides, so the intuitive approach (if something like this exists) would fail in 50% of tries

@ThyBigCheddar 3 жыл бұрын

What? If your going to change the handle of a door, you change both.

@doomse150 3 жыл бұрын

@@ThyBigCheddar Yes exactly, that's why any handle suggesting pushing or pulling will be wrong on one of two sides

@ThyBigCheddar 3 жыл бұрын

@@doomse150 No I mean that if you have a door, then one side put a push handle, and the other put a pull handle. You change it depending on what side it is. He never said that you can only change it to one type of handle

@doomse150 3 жыл бұрын

@@ThyBigCheddar But what doors have different handles on the two sides?

@ThyBigCheddar 3 жыл бұрын

@@doomse150 A lot of doors. Shop doors, school doors, warehouse doors, back room doors. A lot of doors. What he described wasn’t a new concept. It already exists. Go look for them. Maybe not now, you know, due to COVID but in a couple months. You’ll see a lot of doors with different handles on different sides.

@EveryCrazyDay 3 жыл бұрын

The moment you talked about Kim Kardashian I got a notification saying she filed for divorce with Kanye... that was spooky.

@PowerStar004 3 жыл бұрын

Hell nah, Kanye!

@SuperPaperPokemon 3 жыл бұрын

Before watching the video, let me say what I think is Skyward Sword's fatal flaw: Fi. That robo-sword-Navi woman kept grinding my gameplay to a halt every time I entered a new area, finished an area or found a new mechanic, to tell me something that was pretty obvious for a person who has played video games and Zelda for as long as I have. Or, heck, something that would take me 5 minutes to discover just looking at my surroundings. Because, honestly, Skyward Sword's non verbal puzzle comunication ain't bad. They don't need to tell me verbally as well. Everything else is excusable in my opinion. The reused areas were always expanded every time we returned, and were decently, if not very fun to do (except the water forest, but hey, we delt with worse water dungeons before). The motion controls meant that every enemy was a challenge, and for the wii, were pretty damn responsive. Oh, and, yeah I do think $60 is way too much for a barely changed HD rerelease of a single Wii game. If they manage to fix some of bigger problems with the game, and added an extra dungeon to the experience, and maybe even rerecorded the music, then it would be another thing, but...

@Megapig9001 3 жыл бұрын

In the Wii Version of Galaxy you can actually use the joystick to control the save and pause menu; my friend theorizes that the reason Galaxy Switch removes the joystick functionality was so that the pointer could be forcibly recalibrated.

@cubedude8690 3 жыл бұрын

When you're so early that no austrailians have liked the video yet

@rmg2022 3 жыл бұрын

Lol

@somebodylikesbacon1960 3 жыл бұрын

2 Australians have liked the video now

@cubedude8690 3 жыл бұрын

@@somebodylikesbacon1960 19 now

@jasonsmith8802 3 жыл бұрын

Hooray Count: 2 Total so far: 387

@zachvalzach2434 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this

@Tech_Marauder 3 жыл бұрын

My mans really out here giving us a lesson in product design basics to explain how video games work.... love it

@CTKnoll 3 жыл бұрын

This more video essay style content is definitely doing it for me. Keep it up!

@panampace 3 жыл бұрын

Ceave videos these days/: Why these two completely unrelated topics are actually surprisingly related

@chamtheman551 3 жыл бұрын

Ceave, we need to talk about why Nintendo is removing the upload feature for SMM1. I know we really don't cover that much Mario Maker things anymore, but this is serious. I mean mm1 is what started to spark your channel! (Obviously I know it's part of their business decisions, but hearing it from you sounds a lot better)

@tinyguy9398 3 жыл бұрын

Mr. Hooray's recent videos have been hitting it out of the park with their insight into Nintendo's successes and failures in game design. I used to think he made too many excuses for the big N's less than apt design decisions but his latest content hits that sweet spot where he still shows his appreciation for Nintendo while also being able to speak truth to when Nintendo misses its mark. Kudos Mr. Hooray for yet another great video and great theory on why Nintendo made the decisions it did with Skyward Sword.

@darkgn0ll587 3 жыл бұрын

The section on "allowances" was really interesting! Really enjoyed this video and all of your recent content!

@ThePlushMarioBros2015 3 жыл бұрын

I miss it when Ceave did Mario Maker stuff.

@ade1174 3 жыл бұрын

I would love to see his Tips and Tricks series return for SMM2.

@commanderglowsquid8969 3 жыл бұрын

Me too

@mewhenimnotme 3 жыл бұрын

So do I, but this is great too

@that1dude83 3 жыл бұрын

I'm in class while watching this lol

@mayonnaise2396 3 жыл бұрын

Nice, me too.

@lordecramox7394 3 жыл бұрын

TBH I learn a lot more from Ceave videos than class.

@MicahBuzanANIMATION 3 жыл бұрын

You always get me thinking about these old games in new ways.

@jk-rg6xo 3 жыл бұрын

I really like how in these analysis videos you try to look at Nintendo’s mentality and perspectives at the time for their game design decisions and console designs. Very thoughtful and well made video.

@SciNonFi 3 жыл бұрын

hello ceave

@auniversalteam8023 3 жыл бұрын

@Average_mobileplayer 3 жыл бұрын

Hi btw ur first

@ryanred1525 3 жыл бұрын

@TheAmazingPyro99 3 жыл бұрын

*meet the topman* Every tf2 player: finally the 10 class...

@TeshiAlair 3 жыл бұрын

One of your absolute best videos, you're really hitting all the levels

@virgiebabie6903 3 жыл бұрын

Have not watched the video yet, I’m just amazed that there’s a 25 minute long video titled “why Topmen are great and how Skyward Sword messed up”

@Lisa-pk6fq 3 жыл бұрын

If i had a nickel for every time i have learned about Norman's 'The Design of Everyday Things', i'd have two, which isn't a lot, but its cool that one of those times was in a video about game design. the study of modern design is such a great thing to talk about in regards to video games. Keep up the great work, ceave!

@scarfyoid8192 3 жыл бұрын

Origami king's ost is one of the best thing to have happened to this channel. Change my mind

@inthefade 3 жыл бұрын

Speaking of imprecision: Those doors are obviously push doors because of the pillars on the sides, which wouldn't allow them to be pulled.

@diamsword6273 3 жыл бұрын

Analysis is gorgeous as always, keep up the work

@yaboifle 3 жыл бұрын

I am loving the new style for Ceave videos, it works really well and is interesting yet not boring to watch or even just listen to!

@TricBrosStudios 2 жыл бұрын

You are just the king of chillness. Whenever I don't know what to watch, I'm like "You know what? Let's watch a nice relaxing Ceave video about philosophy of video games."

@Eidenhoek 3 жыл бұрын

Castle's a push door; the pillar bits that stick out would prevent it opening outward. Also, no hinges on the outside.

@davidanoble 3 жыл бұрын

I just love your timelining, Ceave. I never really thought about Minecraft's release in relation to Wii games, but the Kardashian thing just cracked me up!

@SIDEWAYS255 Жыл бұрын

I'm mad that KZfaq didn't push this content to me more. Your analytical videos are so engaging and thoughtful. Thinking of an objects "Affordances" will transform how I approach design.

@aphextwink_ 3 жыл бұрын

I'm really loving this style of content! Your perspectives on this stuff are always so empowered

@jemusandran1575 3 жыл бұрын

Damn, that's actually really interesting. You usually think about a video game as self-contained. Super Mario Galaxy is just a game in and of itself. But here you can see how they actually used Super Mario Galaxy to teach people how to use the Wiimote. That's awesome.