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Why Gamers Invert Their Controls
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Күн бұрын"Invert Why?"
A short, slightly rambling look at why gamers choose to "invert" the look / Y axis of their controls. AKA: "why do some people push down to look up?"
All material used remains copyright of respective owners, and used for the purpose of critique / education. Game footage, in order of appearance: Battlefield Vietnam, Arma 3, Terminal Velocity, Quake 2, Farcry 3: Blood Dragon, Space Engineers, Sim City 2000, Alley Cat, Castles, Blake Stone : Aliens of Gold, Stonekeep, Duke Nukem 3D, Super Mario 64, Sonic the Hedgehog, MDK, Tie Fighter, Flight Sim 5, MS Flight Simulator (2020), Lylat Wars / Starfox 64, Train Simulator (2022), War Thunder, Star Wars Squadrons, A Hat In Time.
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@mycool1991ify 2 жыл бұрын
This was really concise. I'd never really thought about some of these points until now.
@johncapewell7520 Жыл бұрын
I play with inverted Y axis. Just comes naturally to me. It does not mean I have any advantage over none inverted players though. Thats obviously what comes more naturally to them.
@DMiTree 6 ай бұрын
Can't stop thinking about the video for inverted controls by Viva La dirt League. "This is OUTRAAAGEOUSS!!"
@High_Lord_Of_Terra 2 жыл бұрын
I've played a few games recently that ask you to look up and down at the start and the game works out what camera you want without asking. I really like that as an invert player.
@L-U-E 2 жыл бұрын
I really like that as a solution. Regardless of whichever is more popular, the fact is that neither is "correct", so I feel games should be more agnostic towards it.
@mohammadazad8350 Жыл бұрын
Haha I would probably look the opposite way so it won't work!
@TheRedRaven_ Жыл бұрын
I believe the Halo games would do this in the opening scenes.
@Scythe42 8 ай бұрын
Inverted Y-axis user. Reason: goes back into the 80s and earliest games with flying, that took that behaviour over from real planes. The joystick became a flight stick and behaved that way. Back then this was the "normal" control, stuff like a mouse didn't even exist. And it was the same on keyboard controls. When inverted Y-axis became an option in games it was "forward up". The default just changed over the decades and now inverted means like a flghtstick. So whenever I control something in 3D space it's controlled like a plane, whenever I point at something in a 2D context I control it "normal". If it's 1st person or 3rd person, doesn't make any difference for me here. So some use flightstick controls other don't. Just a matter of preference.
@sardonicus1739 Жыл бұрын
While I don't invert my controls I found out other gamers think the way I map my controls is weird anyway, since I use my mouse in my left hand and change my "wasd" to "okl;". After complaining on a steam forum about a game that doesn't allow you to do keybinding, and how it makes my right hand hurt, it made me realize that even left handed people tend to play their games right handed and I was considered weird for playing it the other way, and was told by people to just play normally like everyone else while ignoring that would be trying to completely undo over 15 years of muscle memory to do that. I imagine people used to playing inverted feel the same.
@L-U-E Жыл бұрын
Yes, it's pretty much that; you can't rewire the muscle memory at the drop of a hat, so it's important to support players' ability to make themselves comfortable playing your game. But with many cases of Y-invert, there is an additional layer of annoyance as in some cases the "inverted" way is just an older norm that's fallen out of fashion (FPS games), or -perhaps most infuriating- the actual way the vehicle is controlled in reality (flight sims).
@L-U-E Жыл бұрын
Also! I've not come across this control scheme before and find it rather fascinating. Thanks for sharing!
@danieljbell9077 7 ай бұрын
I played inverted on both axes for years, ever since I was kid in the 90s. Due to some recent games eliminating the ability to invert, I have retrained my brain to non-invert the x axis, but I no matter how much I try, I still can’t play without inverting the y-axis.
@GrowrNotShowr Жыл бұрын
Glad to see this. I thought something was wrong with me! My brain just cant grasp forward is up and back is down on a joy stick.
@NecroBurt 3 ай бұрын
4:29 this psychological take is exactly what I was hoping you’d touch on. I find it fascinating the rift between players that identify with the character directly, and those that identify not with it and instead as the observer.
@cnixxo 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video. I play inverted, but only the horizontal axis, not the vertical. It's super frustrating that some games only offer options to invert the y-axis and not the x-axis.
@ms6653 Жыл бұрын
You are weird
@KingAdrock420 Жыл бұрын
I have literally never heard of anyone who plays x axis only inverted. I can't begin to understand the mentality behind that.
@ZeDamAQW 6 ай бұрын
I only recently started using invert Y-axis (for the last 7/8 years maybe) whilst messing around with my mouse settings on CSGO. I found that a popular French pro at the time was using inverted Y axis and thought to give it a go. Put myself into practice aim maps for 2/3 hours at a time and within a week, I was unable to go back to normal Y axis. I'm in my early 20s and used to play normal Y axis on console and for the first few years of PC gaming, so there's no real reason for me to go to invert Y but here we are!
@dontspikemydrink9382 6 ай бұрын
why is my comment deleted
@bryanmoynihan2480 Ай бұрын
For Me, Inverted in Flight Games typically and Regular in everything else.
@KingAdrock420 Жыл бұрын
This is the first explanation I've ever heard that actually makes sense. The common explanation is that you imagine a control stick on the back of the video game characters's head, so pushing it forward moves his head down, while pulling back moves his head up. Except left and right would also be switched, so this example doesn't explain inverting the Y axis only; and the vast majority of those who invert only invert Y.
@KingAdrock420 9 ай бұрын
@Falcon-um7vo Nothing should be inverted by default. Ever.
@Tsurlagol 2 ай бұрын
To me, the old flying games were my first 1st-person shooters. Star Wars and After Burner come to mind.
@duckscs 6 ай бұрын
cool video man. thanks for taking the time to share this
@Efexpe Жыл бұрын
Inverted forever for me. I hope they never take that out ffs
@goldboy-pt9px 10 ай бұрын
why its so bad
@Efexpe 10 ай бұрын
@@goldboy-pt9px instead of seeing a cursor or a cross hair that I move. Instead I see it as controlling thebackground.. moving the object into the cross hair. I hope that explains it.
@goldboy-pt9px 10 ай бұрын
@@Efexpe oh that makes sense
@Timic83tc 9 ай бұрын
same
@KFlexFantastic Жыл бұрын
Subscribed. Let’s get this video to blow up so Lue will make more videos! This is the perfect bedtime niche video, consistent soft speaking, informative af, ect. He’s got the formula
@L-U-E Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! I have plenty more vid ideas I'd still like to make, but knowing people actually watch them definitely helps motivate getting them done.
@KFlexFantastic Жыл бұрын
@@L-U-E I look forward to seeing more from you!
@psykobob222 Жыл бұрын
*Holds up to look down, record scratches* "Yep, that's me. You're probably wondering how I got here..."
@Tantalusblank 2 жыл бұрын
Love the visualisations. A great start to the channel!
@proteus404 Жыл бұрын
I wish that there was a setting I could set on my gaming account that would auto default everything to Y inverted so that I didn't have to change each time.
@isaacwilson8682 Жыл бұрын
The Xbox360 had this feature and it worked perfectly. The PS5 supposedly has a setting for this but individual games don't always respect it.
@High_Lord_Of_Terra 2 жыл бұрын
You either play invert, or you're a godless heathen.
@gregorymeadows3572 5 ай бұрын
I play with the rotational frame when using controllers (forward = look down) but planar when using KB+Mouse (Forward=Look Up). My friends think I am a lunatic.
@stoneraleks6515 4 ай бұрын
I feel like I would be the same. It makes more sense to aim up, dragging up on a mouse then controller for some reason
@TheRedRaven_ Жыл бұрын
On mouse and keyboard, non-inverted, on joystick I use inverted and not just because of plane sims, but because it feels natural. I imagine the joystick as a ball, when I push the ball forward the ball would roll forward. But now translate this movement to the camera, the camera rolls forward bringing it down. Same idea rolling the ball (or joystick) backwards. I don’t mess with x axis though, inverting that would make no sense to me at all.
@goldboy-pt9px 10 ай бұрын
why
@jaspervanegmond1184 Жыл бұрын
When you tilt your head back you look up, when you tilt your head forward you look down, its that simple.
@raylopez6871 10 ай бұрын
Why make it hard on yourself it could be so much simpler
@carpetsnake83 7 ай бұрын
But you don’t move your head you move the focus of your eyes From bottom screen to top screen and left and right screen easier Your head goes no where
@carpetsnake83 7 ай бұрын
@Falcon-um7vo not looking at a screen it doesn’t What are you talking about You tilt your head forward and backwards as you play and looking up the more forward you lean and looking down the further back you lean The more you turn left your whole head turns left and your eyes look further to the right and vice verse if you look right I bet when you jump you lift your hands and feet up Or do you sit still and look at the screen your head does not move anywhere just your eyes I get that you imagine your head moving but that’s not easier that’s extra Yes in the real world and vr your head moves but looking at a two dimensional plain that’s stationary only eyes move Up and down It’s extra not easier
@007Spadge 5 ай бұрын
I play inverted in 3 dimensional games, always.
@jjchilidogs1990 2 жыл бұрын
I play inverted my whole life
@davidlanda2324 10 ай бұрын
Nice and calm video.
@blargcoster 2 жыл бұрын
You can also think of your head in this sense, too. In order to look down with your head, you tilt it forward. Another case is in planes where the control stick you have to push it in to go down and pull it out to go up. In just about every flight game if you get too low to the ground, you hear "Pull up" for that reason.
@L-U-E 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed, as it too pivots at the bottom... It definitely makes more sense for rotation. Good point about the "Pull up" warning too. That forward/back thinking is why pilots generally never think of it as being "inverted" to push forward for nose down.
@GimpNinja-ue8ml 2 жыл бұрын
The reason why I invert the y-axis is because that's how your neck works
@goldboy-pt9px 10 ай бұрын
L
@vespaman101 7 ай бұрын
Seriously. The non invert is the true invert. Antiquated movement left over from flat screen top down games.
@emsports42 2 ай бұрын
W
@TheKritken 20 күн бұрын
Mario 64, flying and swimming controls were inverted there is the reason.
@frintso 11 ай бұрын
Great Video, found it very interesting and well explained! Thanks
@L-U-E 11 ай бұрын
Thanks! Glad you liked it!
@iAddictions763 Күн бұрын
Invert is life
@webbtunes9557 2 жыл бұрын
Nice viedo. Needed to be said! :D
@GarrettBShaw 9 ай бұрын
Every time I think about inverted or not inverted controls I end up having an existential crisis where I can't remember how I like my control setup when in third person. Because I can make both methods seem completely logical to me 😂
@NannerKeith 5 ай бұрын
Thank goodness. Trying to explain my struggles to my elite gamer friends made me feel like an idiot. 😮
@d1o2n4 9 ай бұрын
2 games I play have now cancelled the invert option. Whether or not it is correct etc. I am an old school gamer who has played inverted since the golden eye or perfect dark days so it sucks to no longer have the option.
@masamune809 Жыл бұрын
F22 on Sega Geniuses is why I play inverted.
@1JC1988 2 жыл бұрын
Love it!
@gratiswinter Жыл бұрын
No Option to invert the control breaks the game for me. But what infuriates me to no end, is having the option to invert one axis, but not the other? Why?! WHY!?!? If developers can Put one in, WHY is it so hard for the second one!?
@L-U-E 11 ай бұрын
I can understand this is really infuriating. I think for the longest time, there was lack of awareness even amongst developers as to why you'd even *want* to invert the horizontal axis (myself included; prior to researching this video I didn't realise horizontal invert preferences were a thing). It's a diminishing returns thing, of course, but you're right in that it's generally easy to implement.
@MillhioreX 10 ай бұрын
I can play both, no problem for me (i grew up inverted, came from Playstation 2). One Game have a no invert option and i learn how works this. Now i can both. No clue how work with my brain, when instant switch from inverted to normal or normal to inverted. Y-Axis and both axis. 🤪🫣
@goldboy-pt9px 10 ай бұрын
why would you invert controls
@gratiswinter 10 ай бұрын
@@goldboy-pt9px why are you left or right handed? Its just how it feels natural for me to move in digital spaces. And playing with "regular" axis orientation feels like playing through a mirror, where you have to make conscious decision every time when you look or move around
@goldboy-pt9px 10 ай бұрын
@@gratiswinter im right handed but i like inverted controls for controler
@HowToDrinkWater101 5 ай бұрын
I invert my x axis too but a lot of games don't have the option
@mikeyplayzwrld 22 күн бұрын
Maybe they don't like people not from this planet playing their game
@emsports42 2 ай бұрын
Inverted man. i think i played a flying game first. 🛫
@_c4ts_ 4 ай бұрын
how tf do i only invert my y axis
@Xaeravoq Ай бұрын
so everyone else actually uses inverted
@gamelucoz4595 Жыл бұрын
You know, don't smartphones also have inverted touchscreen control? Up swipe make's it scroll down and down swipe scroll up.
@SoberCake Жыл бұрын
It's an interesting observation, yes We're used to dragging the contents of a page into view instead of moving the screen itself across a page But that's how touchscreens has worked since the first iphone, so I wouldn't call this type of control "inverted" However there might exist custom software that allows for the opposite way of controlling the scrolling, in which case the word "inverted" would be most fitting
@L-U-E 11 ай бұрын
It's inverted compared to the default for, say, a laptop touch pad; which are generally aligned with the mouse wheel (although touchscreens have now made that older convention ambiguous enough that there's usually an option to flip it to your preference). Like with the Y-axis, it is different mental mapping that "inverts" the logical direction. But I would also agree that it doesn't make sense to call it "inverted", just like the Y-axis shouldn't be; there are just two ways of approaching it with opposite logical conventions.
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