Why Germany hasn’t returned Nefertiti

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Nefertiti: Icon or hostage?
The bust of Nefertiti has fascinated millions of people worldwide. It has been drawing crowds of admirers at Berlin's Neues Museum for 100 years. But from the very start it was also controversial. It's not only Egyptians who believe Nefertiti belongs in her homeland on the Nile.
Arts Unveiled reveals the dubious circumstances under which the bust came to Germany, and tells the story of the ongoing battle to have it returned to Egypt. The Queen's beauty has made her an icon in Germany, but is she being held hostage?
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00:00 Introduction
02:01 A Sensational Find
05:05 The Queen
06:33 Berlin Premiere
08:22 Nefertiti and the Nazis
11:28 National Hero

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@matthewandrew
@matthewandrew Ай бұрын
Im surprised it’s not in the British Museum.
@amenhotepv2844
@amenhotepv2844 17 күн бұрын
It belongs to the British Museum.
@parkerelijah1936
@parkerelijah1936 Ай бұрын
The situation is simple and similar for all the museums around the world ... not returning these artefacts has nothing to do that they are better preserved in the museums or even for the sake of science and knowledge... it's just returning these artefacts meant the museums will no longer have a revenues from these artefacts ... it's all about money
@PureJoyJoyPure
@PureJoyJoyPure Ай бұрын
Yup 👍🏾
@falconeshield
@falconeshield Ай бұрын
Remember Nimrod 2015 too. It goes both ways.
@serebii666
@serebii666 Ай бұрын
" nothing to do that they are better preserved " Nothing? So you're going to ignore all the artifacts and archeological sites that were destroyed in the past 10 years by militants and war? conflict is not good for the preservation of artefacts, and Europe is continues to be the safest continent in the past few generations.
@parkerelijah1936
@parkerelijah1936 Ай бұрын
@serebii666 ohhhh that's your reason .... isn't it about money ... let say the stone of rosette... napoleon troopers looted it in Egypt... some guy succeeded to understand ( kind of God knows if he was correct) the hydrographic... then what the purpose to keep it still in the louvre .... Oooohhhhh moneeeeyyyyyy people will pay ticket just to see it ...... Same in all museums.... These artefacts lasted hundreds or millions times facing war but they were still here .... so stop your useless arguments... Museums refuse to return the artefacts cause they will loose money ... Who will pay for a ticket to see a museum which is empty....
@my5092
@my5092 Ай бұрын
@@serebii666 Europe? Safest?
@mohamedazkoul9544
@mohamedazkoul9544 7 күн бұрын
I am Egyptian i lived in an area infected by landmines laied by Germans and British in north west of Egypt since WWII , some of my family members lost their lives and got injured from these landmines , i was lucky enough i have stepped on few never exploded....not schocked now seeing these people justifying stealing the bust ... please send you army and technology to remove the evil landmines from our desert apologizes for your long crimes.
@christianefiorito3204
@christianefiorito3204 6 күн бұрын
She still belongs to Egypt. It is their culture.
@tiffanyi5645
@tiffanyi5645 Ай бұрын
It belongs to Egypt how is this even a question?! 😭 The audacity of that women to say “we adhere to the legal situation”, from over 100 years ago when nothing Europeans did was fair??!! What about the MORAL situation??
@ziadkhalaf198
@ziadkhalaf198 12 күн бұрын
The Egyptians complain about the Bust of Nefertiti, we Iraqis were robbed of the entire Ishtar GATE of Babylon by the Germans.
@Tamwyn107
@Tamwyn107 12 күн бұрын
@@ziadkhalaf198 You know that the absolute majority of the gate is a “rebuilt”, so the bricks were manufactured around in Berlin, just some reliefs are real. The fake gate is also kind of fantasized and not as true as most believe it, because nobody reads the signs anymore xd So the absolute minority of gate is real, 20% real materials has the museum, but they didn’t rebuild the whole complex, which is still in Iraq, so the actual percentage of what is missing is much lower! And the 20% are from all three gates, not just the last one, which was rebuilt. So the percentage of each of the three gates in the museum is actually quite low. So it’s probably like 10% of the third gate, 7% of the second and 3% of the first one. So the rest is still there and probably in the “dirt” of the archeologist, that didn’t recognized much at the time.
@christopherkelly577
@christopherkelly577 Ай бұрын
Never realised it was so financially valuable.
@fabiodeoliveiraribeiro1602
@fabiodeoliveiraribeiro1602 Ай бұрын
This story of art stolen by Europeans and demanded back by Egyptians, Greeks, Africans, Asians, etc... gave rise to a strange baby in South America. Some time ago, Paraguay began demanding the return of a cannon captured by Brazil during the war that took place in the 19th century. A cannon is not a work of art. Not to mention that it was designed, cast and used deliberately to kill Brazilians. I even believe that the cannon can be returned, but for that to happen, Paraguay has to cast an identical copy of it and deliver it to Brazil with an apology (because after all, the Paraguayans invaded my country before it retaliated).
@sigalroman8547
@sigalroman8547 Ай бұрын
Your country 😅
@Getsumei8
@Getsumei8 Ай бұрын
Greeks are Europeans
@qbot52
@qbot52 Ай бұрын
lol Greeks are like the o.g. Europeans, half of our mythos is theirs 🤣🤣
@Blankarte
@Blankarte Ай бұрын
Hard to relate this to Europe's stolen cultural pieces...
@voulathomacos-lagonas8445
@voulathomacos-lagonas8445 Ай бұрын
​@@Getsumei8Britain is NOT EUROPEANS . JUST LOOTERS
@madamlakwatsera5674
@madamlakwatsera5674 Ай бұрын
Thanks
@tercertwin
@tercertwin Ай бұрын
I was born in the northeast of Mexico; for decades I understand myself as a mixed race man, half caucasian, half native american, a cultural hibrid, a "global citizen" as they say. I never wondered about my ethnic background, really, until recent years. Unfortunately, in the region I was born, my ancestor's culture was completely destroyed by the Spaniard conquerors and the Cathotic monks that came with them: NO artifacts of any kind remain, even the original dialect is forever lost. Strangely now, at my middle age, I wish I could have contact with something that would give me an insight about my collective past, something that helps me to reconstruct the narrative of who I am. Being alienated from your material culture is like trying to read a book -a collectively written diary- in which only half the words appear. That's why I consider it is so important to return the artifacts to the people that trully descent from those who created them. Every figurine, every text, every piece of ornament is a "word" that allow us to put together a tale of a human group's intimate experience of the world. I wish German younger generation can be sensible to this, and get involved in the fight to handover the Nefertiti to its only legitimate owners: the Egyptian people.
@user-tp3rs6qs8w
@user-tp3rs6qs8w Ай бұрын
Blah... Blah... Blah
@DWHistoryandCulture
@DWHistoryandCulture Ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing your personal story and thoughts on the matter with us! Very interesting insights!
@hungrymapper4039
@hungrymapper4039 Ай бұрын
I need to point out two things. 1: the egyptian people are gone. Current day egyptians are Arabs living in the same place as ancient egypt was. 2:nefertiti wasn't "stolen" it was purchased by a german archeologist from egypt in the 1800s
@gqs1
@gqs1 Ай бұрын
Im Mexican too , as far as Im aware of , there are a lot of ancient prehispanic antiquities throughout. I hope there were more but the culture is not wiped out
@hungrymapper4039
@hungrymapper4039 Ай бұрын
@DiotimaMantinea-qm5yt roots in what way exactly ? -Culturally ? Current egyptian culture and society is in line with most other arabic countries not with those of ancient egypt. Ancient egyptian culture is long dead. The only vestiges of ancient culture can be found in certain rural parts like fayoum -religiously ? No ancient kemetic religion has been extinct for nearly 2000 years - Genetically ? Maybe sligthly but its actually a mix of a variety of different people that swept trough egypt troughout the centuries - then maybe there is some sort of political/statal continuity ? No because the pharaonite rule has long been dissolved and no remain of ancient administration remains. Current or even medieval arabic egypt hasnt got anything to do with the state of ancient egypt except the fact that they are on the same land. They are two completely different entities The only group of people you could technically argue has links to the ancient egyptians are the copts. And even them barely because they speak a language that stems from ancient egyptian and no other reason. They have no other connection Ancient egyptian civilization is extinct. Anyone claiming differently in egypt does so only due to national sentiment not due emphirical scientific reason
@chrysocolapteserythrocepha5915
@chrysocolapteserythrocepha5915 Ай бұрын
"One of the questions that comes to mind is why are these sculptures [the Great Altar of Zeus and Athena at Pergamon] here in Berlin? And the answers can be found in the political ambitions of Prussia at the time. They very much wanted to be equal of the French and the British. And that mean, in part, to have great museums that express the civilizations of the past, so they could be, in a sense, the inheritors of the great classical tradition, which was so revered in the 19th century. Berlin, in some ways, wanted to be the new Rome." - Dr. Steven Zucker of Smarthistory
@genesis2936
@genesis2936 Ай бұрын
I’m American of Mesopotamian descent. I’m so so glad that many of Mesopotamia’s (Iraq since 1922) archaeological treasures are in Germany (and other European nations). In 2003 (the fall of Saddam) there were out of control mobs who stormed the Iraq museum in Baghdad and stole anything and everything to include the “epic of Gilgamesh” which was eventually returned. Some 30 yrs ago I visited the Louvre in Paris and took pics next to “code of Hammurabi” the winged Tauruses amongst others which made me infuriated at the time as they looked so disgustingly out of place and should be returned. I no longer feel that way especially after isis (2014-2016) destroyed priceless statues and artefacts thousands of yrs old bcz it didn’t conform w. Islam. The aforementioned were there before and during Islamization of Mesopotamia and remained unmolested. I thought I’d never say this, but I’m glad they were taken to the west, otherwise; without a shadow of a doubt they would’ve suffered the same fate as countless other treasures were and are sold and in “private” collections !
@enkryptron
@enkryptron Ай бұрын
It's Iraq.. get on with the times.
@BWhit-ni5uc
@BWhit-ni5uc Ай бұрын
You don’t represent shiat
@chrysocolapteserythrocepha5915
@chrysocolapteserythrocepha5915 Ай бұрын
Iraq is not Egypt and not all muslims are the same.
@hasanitto
@hasanitto Ай бұрын
This can happen in Europe too. Do you know how many artifacts were lost during both World Wars due to the destruction caused by bombs? This kind of destruction can occur anywhere, challenging this naive perspective. Any artifact that was illegally or unfairly looted from its original country rightfully belongs to its native land. Any argument to the contrary is merely an excuse to retain what is not rightfully yours.
@genesis2936
@genesis2936 Ай бұрын
@@chrysocolapteserythrocepha5915 No such insinuations were made !
@TheZombieGAGA
@TheZombieGAGA Ай бұрын
We should have a broader view on such issues. If it was not for the deep fascination that erudite 19th century westerners started to cultivate for ancient Egypt and that prompted a.o. the discovery of the Rosetta Stone and the nascent deciphering of hieroglyphs, excavations and in situ discoveries would have remained uneventful. Colonialism is not the right choice of words when describing the utter fascination that other cultures develop for one’s people ancient past when this old past was completely neglected and de facto dismissed - not only due to religious and political pressure but also due to a general loss of interest that set in over the centuries.
@DWHistoryandCulture
@DWHistoryandCulture Ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
@himalayanmeditations4674
@himalayanmeditations4674 10 күн бұрын
A broader view would understand that Egyptians already had a deep fascination with ancient Egypt before westerners arrived. Their fascination does materialise like the Wests obsession with documenting, removing and looking at artefacts outside of their context. The West focused too much of the pyramids and afterlife of Egyptians missing the many temple due to their limited view in religion and fear of others culture.
@TheZombieGAGA
@TheZombieGAGA 8 күн бұрын
@@himalayanmeditations4674 Himalaya, hmmm, yes mister or madam the Egyptologist
@user-tp3rs6qs8w
@user-tp3rs6qs8w Ай бұрын
Is the statue real or fake? It should be authenticated before any turnover.
@rudynathan8852
@rudynathan8852 27 күн бұрын
The statue was made in the 30s. It's a fake
@Spinnendieb
@Spinnendieb 15 күн бұрын
@@rudynathan8852 Made in the 30s? Its discovery in 1912 is well documented and it had been on display in museums since 1924. lol
@lakaymnm4988
@lakaymnm4988 13 күн бұрын
True ...4:50... it's not like today ...in my point of view all antiques that have been preserved in all around the world must have the proper address to the country of origin... sad to say colonisation of the world exist... complicated issues... now adays democracy is getting more rightfull... and accepted... why not make a resolutions/treaty that would preserved the relics ... in behalf of the two countries involved.. not having unwanted issues publicly.... in my point of view..... ❤❤❤❤ salute very balanced documentary....😇😇😇
@EGYPOWER1
@EGYPOWER1 Ай бұрын
Belong to Egypt for sure no question about it
@LaughingBull980
@LaughingBull980 Ай бұрын
I was in Egypt 🇪🇬and got to talk to an actual Egyptian archeologists. And asked them this same question. They said that Nefertiti should remain in Germany under German care and protection. Their reasons were the following. 1. Germany has the resources and ability to properly conserve. 2. She’s an actual queen in Berlin. She would just blend into the other artifacts in the museum and lose its mystique. And this was my observation visiting that countries museum. They had no room temperature control and if they did have it. It was turn off or not working at all. King tuts golden mask was in a cheap knock off glass casing. Flimsy at best and could be breached if someone really wanted it. Also in museum anyone and people do this freely. They touch the artifacts like statues and chairs and even sit on them. Meanwhile in Berlin you have Nefertiti guarded by 4 security guards who look menacing to break you in half if you even think about taking a picture of her.
@juliannaruffini
@juliannaruffini Ай бұрын
now they have the GEM!
@ahmedelkhwaga2751
@ahmedelkhwaga2751 Ай бұрын
😂😂😂 Fairy tales
@ahmedelkhwaga2751
@ahmedelkhwaga2751 Ай бұрын
Monica hana is true Egyptian and we tell you nope
@antwainclarke3406
@antwainclarke3406 Ай бұрын
This is a real concern that should be considered also. Many of the stolen artefacts do not recieve the same kind of care or love in their home countries. For example the devastating fire in National Museum in Brazil in 2018 was suspected to have been caused by years of poor funding from the government who had more imperalist ambitions. The museum contained some of the last remnants of lost cultures and invaluable artefacts which have all been reduced to ashes. Meanwhile similar artefacts in European museums are in pritine conditions. There is also the matter of insurance, access the research funding etc. I dont think that these culturally and historically significant objects should remain in Europe forever. I think that the institutions should consider the artefacts as loans and pay the home countries.
@yeshaya24
@yeshaya24 Ай бұрын
😢
@faystafford2195
@faystafford2195 Ай бұрын
Should be in Egypt, period.
@wiseoldwizard
@wiseoldwizard 19 күн бұрын
*Then come and take it.*
@superboychao
@superboychao 28 күн бұрын
Egyptian Museum is like a joke people can basically touch everything inside of it except for the King Tut artifacts which are preserved in a glass container. But I think the soon-to-be-open new Grand Egyptian Museum which has been under construction for many years will be much better, inshallah. But no matter what, what belongs to a country/people must be returned if it was a colonial status to steal it or pillage it in the first place.
@GonzzaLopez
@GonzzaLopez Ай бұрын
She must return to the new museum of Egypt.. the GEM.
@ah7910
@ah7910 29 күн бұрын
'She' is a forgery. But regardless, a historic piece should stay in a safe, stable and economically strong country - Egypt is not that country, just scan the comments and you will see people from Egypt telling us the museums do not have temperate control or good security. Look at what happens to the relics in Syria. The Middle East is not stable and doesn't deserve these treasures.
@user-th7pe8gn1t
@user-th7pe8gn1t Ай бұрын
Если это произведение было вывезено незаконно, то необходимо вернуть.
@fantalight23
@fantalight23 8 күн бұрын
Restore the Queen to her people. Nefertiti belongs, and always will, to Egypt.
@roberthancox
@roberthancox Ай бұрын
Same applies to the Elgin Marbles.If they had not been taken to UK and protected by the British Museum it is unlikely they would exist today.
@voulathomacos-lagonas8445
@voulathomacos-lagonas8445 Ай бұрын
NO .. THE PARTHENON MARBLES WERE LOOTED BY Elgin.. a theif He DECECRATED AND DEFACED THE ACROPOLIS as,well as from the EREXHETHIO the KARIATITHA.. LOOTED . LOOTED LOOTED THEY DO NOT BELONG TO THE British. you were NON EXISTANT when GREEKS CREATED THESE ANTIQUITIES
@my5092
@my5092 Ай бұрын
Yeah or mummies eaten by the british
@smh1245
@smh1245 Ай бұрын
Who cares, they're not their's to keep, also the regional tension are most probably the result of colonisation and western meddling in the first place.
@kappani5734
@kappani5734 Ай бұрын
@roberthancox That's ludicrous. The parthenon marbles have survived for centuries countless foreign invasions, the only people who believe that elgin "saved" them are british imperialists. Elgin didn't care about the cultural value of the marbles or the parthenon who he vandalized by removing them. For him they were just loot, he kept them for himself when he returned to england and sold them to the british museum only when he needed money to pay for his gambling debts.
@my5092
@my5092 Ай бұрын
Like the mummies that the british ate?
@tekaklk928
@tekaklk928 Ай бұрын
Egypt literally sold one of its own cities to the UAE, are governed by a violent dictatorship and have a bad track record of human rights abuses. Not to mention they are in a region which is known for demolishing ancient artworks becouse they are percieved as idolotrous or against the majority religion of Islam. We should rethink not weather Egypt and these countries should get these items back, but weather they are ready to preserve them and if the socioty and government around them can guarantee their safety
@zs5002
@zs5002 Ай бұрын
Genau
@my5092
@my5092 Ай бұрын
And if they want to destroy it? It's thier things and they are free to do whatever they want
@dariusalexandru9536
@dariusalexandru9536 Ай бұрын
@@my5092 is not theirs because it was legally brought to Germany
@my5092
@my5092 Ай бұрын
@@dariusalexandru9536 it's like: the phone your father made was stolen from him legally, so it's not yours, wtf you talking about? How could an Egyptian artifact get out of egypt legally?
@KimikarazonGardening
@KimikarazonGardening Ай бұрын
The head of worldwide pirate organisation is British
@fernandostraughan8134
@fernandostraughan8134 Ай бұрын
Hasn’t this statue been proven to be a fake?
@Spinnendieb
@Spinnendieb 15 күн бұрын
No. There were one journalist and one conspiracy theory author claiming it was a fake. Without evidence of course. Its authenticity has been proven in numerous ways though, including ct scans and chemical analysis.
@Alejoninla
@Alejoninla Ай бұрын
“The wheels of justice turn slowly, but grind exceedingly fine” ...soon the Queen will return home to Egypt where she belongs among her people....
@mabroukatis
@mabroukatis 2 күн бұрын
Surely to America. Germans and Egyptians now under American rule
@jeromefitzroy
@jeromefitzroy Ай бұрын
The Middle East is so fragile, remember when ISIS destroyed historical cities? It’s safer to diversify than to put everything in one place, or you will get something like that disaster of a fire in the Brazil national museum which destroyed thousands of artefacts!
@EGYPOWER1
@EGYPOWER1 Ай бұрын
Egypt got the strongest military in the region and the most advanced museum and largest (GEM) why it not return?
@mohammedkh4321
@mohammedkh4321 Ай бұрын
Remember when the USA destroyed Iraq because of a lie? Stole the Iraqi museum? Without West there would be no Isis!
@my5092
@my5092 Ай бұрын
Isis is controlled by Europe and USA and Israel so....
@dariusalexandru9536
@dariusalexandru9536 Ай бұрын
@@EGYPOWER1 You mean Israel has the stronger military in the region
@EGYPOWER1
@EGYPOWER1 Ай бұрын
@@dariusalexandru9536 for sure as it is USA state in the region plus nato .. but it’s to bad the strongest military in the region can’t get his hostages for 8 months against hamas after killing 35000 women and children . By the way check global fire power 2024
@CatsInHats-S.CrouchingTiger
@CatsInHats-S.CrouchingTiger Ай бұрын
Nefertiti belongs to the World. Her safety has always been a priority and because of such, she has not been destroyed or gone missing thanks to the hands of the German Ministry of Culture. We could learn so much about ourselves now, how we came to be, how Civilizations rise and fall and how we are globally interdependent. It’s important to ensure the safety of this treasure, as well as it’s nice to know that for many who cannot travel to Egypt, a piece of this knowledge is available for many people to enjoy, to wonder and to learn from.
@ahmedelkhwaga2751
@ahmedelkhwaga2751 Ай бұрын
She belongs to Egypt
@Msambweni
@Msambweni Ай бұрын
Not yours to begin with.
@ndeye483
@ndeye483 Ай бұрын
Lol because Germans are not human beings like others? You better return our stuff
@Daughterofminerva
@Daughterofminerva Ай бұрын
10:46 Ok, if you think that Nefertiti should stay in Germany so that people who cannot afford to go to Egypt can have a taste of the Ancient Egyptian civilization ,then Germany should draw an agreement with the Egyptian Ministry of Culture to organize exhibitions of German pieces of art in Egypt in exchange for Germany keeping Nefertiti 's bust,so that the Egyptians who cannot afford to go to Germany can enjoy a contact with German culture and art. Ofc Germany cannot give Egypt a German artwork forever in exchange for the Nefertiti's bust, but at least the two countries could have a cultural agreement and a reciprocal exchange of art .
@ndeye483
@ndeye483 Ай бұрын
@@Daughterofminerva It's stolen, give it back, simple. We're not going to be negotiating on what rightfully belongs tio us
@seeer1978
@seeer1978 12 күн бұрын
Well, why not to return all Egyptian immigrants from Germany to Egypt with Nefertiti together then? Rhetoric question, of course. That would be a fair deal. No? As long as many arabs still live in Germany, Nefertiti can stay in Berlin as well. Why should she be denied to stay? Just as many other Egyptians she found her asylum in Europe.
@mohamedazkoul9544
@mohamedazkoul9544 7 күн бұрын
What a stupid comment.
@callmearmstrong
@callmearmstrong Ай бұрын
She IS an ICON ! THIEVES! GIVE IT BACK !
@EnriqueScott-se3vp
@EnriqueScott-se3vp 24 күн бұрын
I don't understand Egypt is one of the oldest countries in the world if not the oldest democracy culture art and then how could they be so naive to sell the heritage Way
@samthesomniator
@samthesomniator 6 күн бұрын
Democracy?! 🤨 What
@EnriqueScott-se3vp
@EnriqueScott-se3vp 6 күн бұрын
@@samthesomniator I apologize I stand corrected
@EnriqueScott-se3vp
@EnriqueScott-se3vp 6 күн бұрын
@@samthesomniator for the record I had intended to visit but after all the chaos and turmoil is going on at part of the world unfortunately it's not going to happen in my lifetime and it sadness me to see all the needless suffering who are always the first victims the first victims children women elderly and the sick pray that you have a blessed week my friend.
@samthesomniator
@samthesomniator 6 күн бұрын
@@EnriqueScott-se3vp I wondered. Ancient egypt was a mighty and impressive culture but not exactly what we could call a demogracy. 😂😂
@alfredomorua9373
@alfredomorua9373 Ай бұрын
Manly P hall wrote about this. Believe ahkenaten invented democracy and religion of monotheism. Even visited what is called America today. Ptah and Utah not too far.
@haroldmorris5901
@haroldmorris5901 Ай бұрын
Because a German made it...
@franklinchinasi1226
@franklinchinasi1226 Ай бұрын
Turkey should return Constantinople to the the Greeks or Europe first.
@davanshamzeen502
@davanshamzeen502 Ай бұрын
yeah and egypt is not turkey and i dont know how are you comparing a city to a statue
@matthewandrew
@matthewandrew Ай бұрын
Yes please.
@cleitondecarvalho431
@cleitondecarvalho431 Ай бұрын
​@@davanshamzeen502the city was the heart of a splendid civilization known as late roman empire, just it.
@dancostello6465
@dancostello6465 28 күн бұрын
Also good.
@redbear9111
@redbear9111 23 күн бұрын
all w people need to get out of land that doesn't belong to their ancestors....get out of south africa, australia, new zealand etc..😂😂😂..what about that ..😂😂
@luisfelipemartinbernuy4257
@luisfelipemartinbernuy4257 28 күн бұрын
Better in Germany 👍🏻
@arnaldoacosta7610
@arnaldoacosta7610 Ай бұрын
It belongs to Egypt.
@dancostello6465
@dancostello6465 28 күн бұрын
Time to return. No excuse for German to hold onto this.
@3idontknow3
@3idontknow3 27 күн бұрын
Don't forget the Babylonian Ishtar Gate of Iraq still being kept in Germany
@DonaldDucksRevenge
@DonaldDucksRevenge 27 күн бұрын
It is utterly gorgeous. How deeply ironic its style matched the Deco Era. It is a treasure for all humankind. Egypt shows little appetite to deeply cherish and protect its ancient history. Yes, it should one day be restored to its place of origin. No, after a hundred years and thousands buried beneath the sands, there should be no rush. Yes, promote the principle of multiculturalism with this harmless, protected piece of art. Berlin honors its legacy with its fine keeping.
@samthesomniator
@samthesomniator 6 күн бұрын
Because it was one of Art Decos inspirations. 😅 That is not a coincidence.
@margaridavelhinho1618
@margaridavelhinho1618 Ай бұрын
Each one tells theiir tru. The statue should go to Egypt the place where it was found.
@samidgutierrez
@samidgutierrez Ай бұрын
Colonial perpetuation be like.
@Mustlovebooks15
@Mustlovebooks15 Ай бұрын
No point in even arguing about where it belongs until the egypt museum is finished.
@fainatselnik267
@fainatselnik267 Ай бұрын
Considering the significance of the bust not only as image but also representation of remarkable Amana period in Egyptian history, I would love to see it returned and displayed in Cairo museum. From another side, recent non stop ‘people’ revolutions that placed director of the museum and leading Egyptologist In prison and released only after last revolution failed - it gives me doubts if the same fate will be shared by cultural treasures that belongs to different religions. The case of Palmira monuments completely destroyed or sold on the black market should be a warning sign for us to take into consideration.
@DWHistoryandCulture
@DWHistoryandCulture Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the matter.
@shesearchedherfullname9830
@shesearchedherfullname9830 Ай бұрын
😘 💕
@godji_tv6294
@godji_tv6294 Ай бұрын
The Statue was aquired by a german researcher and legally brought back to germany. The law that introduced the practice of splitting foundings was established before british colonialism when it was an extremly autonomus province of the ottoman empire. Also Nofretete is safer in germany and last thing: germans can learn about this ancient egyptian culture. The Nofretete is a big point for visiting the museum, people go there because of the nofretete and there they learn about this culture wich is by the way not practiced anymore. The Nofretete is german.
@martijnkeisers5900
@martijnkeisers5900 Ай бұрын
Isn't it a fake?
@dadevi
@dadevi Ай бұрын
Doesn't matter. It's a fake anyway.
@BessaoudMohamedtalel
@BessaoudMohamedtalel 7 күн бұрын
egypt egypt egyptttttttttttt
@Brightly747
@Brightly747 3 күн бұрын
Return the bust to its rightful owners, the Egyptian people.
@wirelessone2986
@wirelessone2986 Ай бұрын
The paperwork detailing the scientific discovery of the bust in 1912 is very shady...another bust found in the same "artists studio" was totally shattered.I wonder if she was taken from another location maybe a tomb and covered up?
@poetronika3970
@poetronika3970 Ай бұрын
Egypt
@shanicestella2226
@shanicestella2226 Ай бұрын
Museum in Germany have better temperature control technology , so she won't get overheat or way too cold
@davanshamzeen502
@davanshamzeen502 Ай бұрын
the grand egyptian museum is the biggest and most technologically advanced museum in the world what are you yapping about ?
@lakaymnm4988
@lakaymnm4988 13 күн бұрын
13.46 if i may dear achielogist why not correct eve's mistake in the garden of eden... in the 21st century... get the point... as a viewer... i respect you but in return ... you know exactly what to do...😊😊😊😊
@TheCarlosfederico
@TheCarlosfederico Ай бұрын
Germany.
@user-ke8st8jc1v
@user-ke8st8jc1v Ай бұрын
If Nefertiti goes back to Egypt then all the artifacts from all museums should go back to their country of origin .
@filleauparadis7633
@filleauparadis7633 Ай бұрын
It was geniuses of European scholars that helped us understand the rich history nd significance of such objects..... Egypt had many such objects buried in sand for thousand of years.....after the arrival of curious European scholars who studied ancient Egypt and helped uncover the mystery of past.....why should we even return them.... Egypt had enough artifacts of own,same applies to other countries
@trueone2925
@trueone2925 Ай бұрын
Ironically I think the young Egyptian archeologist would look strikingly similar to Nefertiti sans hair and glasses
@RichManhattanite11
@RichManhattanite11 Ай бұрын
I want all my jewels back ❤❤❤
@labahadihamimi7128
@labahadihamimi7128 Ай бұрын
Why not bring her back thieves
@wiseoldwizard
@wiseoldwizard 19 күн бұрын
*Then come and take it.*
@yidnekachewabebe8019
@yidnekachewabebe8019 15 күн бұрын
If Nefertiti return to Egypt, Egypt should also be return to Ethiopia otherwise German lost the meaning of morality!!!
@anam.caballerowilson9421
@anam.caballerowilson9421 Ай бұрын
Ehipto..
@ahmedhafez3097
@ahmedhafez3097 Ай бұрын
She belongs in Egypt, people saying corruption or whatever, who cares, its egyptian, we can destroy if we want, its ours, not yours, we can do what we want with OUR heritage..
@DWHistoryandCulture
@DWHistoryandCulture Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
@samsungqled1167
@samsungqled1167 Ай бұрын
such a barbarian answer. It was legally brought to Germany, it was not stolen. History is complicated people must live with decisions of the past, even if they were mistakes considering today's standards; you cannot turn back time and do things differently. This is the situation and we must all deal with this reality.
@ahmedelkhwaga2751
@ahmedelkhwaga2751 Ай бұрын
​@@samsungqled1167she has been stolen from Egypt not just bring it lol look at you n@ zi destroyed alot of things
@jeromefitzroy
@jeromefitzroy Ай бұрын
Selfishness. It doesn’t belong to you. It’s belongs to humanity, as our collective heritage. Shame on you!
@TheZombieGAGA
@TheZombieGAGA Ай бұрын
The Taliban set the standard with the destruction of the bamiyan buddhist statues.
@lyriktehuti
@lyriktehuti Ай бұрын
Is there ANY other sculpture that you have EVER seen attributed to ancient Egypt that is made out of the material that is made of?
@giuliavalle5751
@giuliavalle5751 Ай бұрын
Egypt 🇪🇬 ❤
@wiseoldwizard
@wiseoldwizard 19 күн бұрын
It's economy 📉🔥
@martinreliga
@martinreliga 15 күн бұрын
It's all about money!!!
@leonk8875
@leonk8875 Ай бұрын
Didn't Egypt try to erase Nefertiti from history
@my5092
@my5092 Ай бұрын
Are you an idiot? That was in the pharaonic age
@jim_herd
@jim_herd Ай бұрын
At the time of the deal to split the antiquities, Egypt didn’t exist as a sovereign state. Britain controlled the country. The deal was done with the British authorities and I think it has to stand. It’s like the Elgin Marbles. The Parthenon was regularly being damaged and the marbles were taken to safety in the UK. They probably would’ve been destroyed if they’d been left where they were. Greece was actually controlled by the Ottoman Empire at the time and had no right to decide what happened. Many antiquities were destroyed in the Middle East over the last few decades. Fortunately, some examples of antiquities from those places had been moved to museums abroad and are all that remain of many of those places. It’s impossible to rewind history and right all its wrongs.
@Copies-q6d
@Copies-q6d Ай бұрын
Livraison automatique des machines à plaisir Les mythos théorie Vers l Egypte antique IA open yourself first
@Michelle_Wellbeck
@Michelle_Wellbeck Ай бұрын
You can't see her hair
@rudynathan8852
@rudynathan8852 27 күн бұрын
Hahahah uhmmm the statue of Nefriti is a fake...
@karimmahmoud2930
@karimmahmoud2930 4 күн бұрын
Germany and Britain and France never give us anything for free, why we still let them has our historical incredibles pieces we just give German almost 40 billion dollars to build for us monorail trains and huge infrastructure projects as electrical station and other projects 😏😏😒
@lotfibouhedjeur
@lotfibouhedjeur 25 күн бұрын
Return it to Egypt? Have you seen Egypt!?
@SashaTwinbee
@SashaTwinbee 11 күн бұрын
The bust of Queen Nefertiti, the most serious errors in Egyptology; This trace was found in the area of Tell al-Amara near the city of Minya in Egypt, and the lineage of Queen Nefertiti based on an ancient Egyptian inscription dating back to King Akhenaten of the eighteenth dynasty in Egypt in the fourteenth century BC, due to the similarity of the crown of the Egyptian queen with the headdress of the lady in the Egyptian statue. This ratio was supported by the examination of the life of the radiocarbon hemisphere through an organic adhesive in the eye of the statue. Scientifically, the hypothesis that this statue belongs to Nefertiti remains weak, for the following reasons: 1. It has been common to use Arabic glue and adhesive material from animal origins in ancient Egyptian mummies and coffins, as has been common in the late ages, including the heroic era, to re-use old materials in subsequent works. The use of such adhesive materials is not excluded again. 2. The assumption that the bust was an ancient Egyptian family of 18 is very weak, because it did not prove that the ancient Egyptians knew the bust, because they considered the statues to be the bearers of the souls of their companions, and they believed that they should be perfect, and that is why many statues were smashed in the noses, as some sort of revenge from their enemies, to deprive their lives of survival. 3. The hypothesis that the sculptor used this bust as a model of his works is weak, because this was not a method used by Egyptian artists, and we did not find similar models in other sculptors ' laboratories. 4. The assumption that the hood of the statue is the Egyptian war crown is weak, it is not like him, and he did not know about the casket that it was surrounded by a belt, as in the bust of Nveretti. In front of the hood of the head with a two - circle complex, the flag (the crown snake) was unusual in ancient Egyptian art. 6. This Egyptian statue was found in the area of Tel Al Ammarneh near the city of Mina, and Tel Al Ammarneh is on the outskirts of the city of Hermopolis from the heroic cities of the Hellenist era, now known as the Ashmunites, an ancient Egyptian civilization, and the overlap and accumulation of the city of Shatton and Hermopolis, from two historic periods of nearly a thousand years apart, at the same location observed and confusing for Egyptian scholars. If these above points weaken the premise that this bust belongs to Queen Nefertiti, there are other indications of his heroic origin, and his return to Queen Cleopatra I, alias Kleopatra Suri, 1. The fact that this bust is a bust indicates that it dates back to the heroic era on the earliest date. 2. The head covering in this statue was one of the ancient traditions of the Phoenician, which was partially adopted by the Selustic Hlaustic State, which ruled the Levant, since Commander Sologus of the Macedonian Alexander, a cover worn by the Phoenician men. The fact that a woman wearing a hood in this statue was a sign that she was a queen of Syrian origin who ruled Egypt, and she was portrayed in this way in Egyptian tradition, which portrayed the queen as a masculine fashion symbol of power and power. There are pictures on other spicy knuckles, depicting this original slug queen with a head cover of phoenix costumes. 4. After the murder of her husband, Ptolemus V, south of Elsham and Egypt, Kliopatra, ruled Syria, which explains the two circles in his contract in the front of her head, which appears to have been a form of royal crown. 5. There are royal monuments belonging to the age of Queen Cleopatra Serra (Syrian), conceived in the same form and pattern as this bust. Finally, we often lived as the bust of Queen Nefferetti for more than a century, while the first statue of Greek Macedonians, the ruler of Egypt and the south of the Levant, was in Egypt's heroic era of rule.
@xtian2010
@xtian2010 13 күн бұрын
Its not even real, its a fake.
@uberglamazon
@uberglamazon Ай бұрын
Yet Egypt has long had it's begging bowl out to Germany for billions and billions of Euros. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
@geertvlaenckx9942
@geertvlaenckx9942 Ай бұрын
Today's egypt has nothing to do in culture with ancient Egypt, only the name is the same. Just like Kaliningrad is not prussian at all - they at least changed their name to reflect that.
@cleitondecarvalho431
@cleitondecarvalho431 Ай бұрын
think ghe same. The general NPCs repeating “give back”, kind of haven't been to history classes. Ancient Egypt, Greece and Rome are the Trinity of western civilization, when did the arabs come in ?
@sindhubhargaviramesh171
@sindhubhargaviramesh171 Ай бұрын
I feel Nefertiti is safe in Germany. There are lots of instances where all the valuable articarfts were destroyed in the name of Allah.I am not against anyone. I would prefer a safe place for the beautiful bust ❤
@Willie5000
@Willie5000 Ай бұрын
Egypt isn't Iraq.
@lyriktehuti
@lyriktehuti Ай бұрын
It’s a fake anyway
@TGWazoo1
@TGWazoo1 Ай бұрын
It belongs to Egypt. And it should be noted Egypt has been very generous sharing these artifacts internationally through museum tours.
@ahmedelkhwaga2751
@ahmedelkhwaga2751 Ай бұрын
Nope they stole it
@joshuatheunkownuniverse.2475
@joshuatheunkownuniverse.2475 Ай бұрын
Y'all muslim destroy these statuses like Taliban and Isis and defend their actions... So should you be entrusted with these historical artifacts?
@nenepink6
@nenepink6 Ай бұрын
belong to berlin. if germany will not take it, it probably will be broken and lost.
@user-nc4su8qc3o
@user-nc4su8qc3o Ай бұрын
Zannm.toga Rodak.po.ocy. Zemena.zaklna Mysamina.za.zakonag Sarjbina Ob.redinica
@teletech2554
@teletech2554 Ай бұрын
Because it’s a grift
@antanoh
@antanoh Ай бұрын
Give her back Germany!
@ultmasher900
@ultmasher900 15 күн бұрын
As an Egyptian who actually went to the Neues museum, I find it offensive that this is actually a debate whether the bust should be returned or not. Bring her home.
@oye4511
@oye4511 Ай бұрын
Egypt..
@user-ke8st8jc1v
@user-ke8st8jc1v Ай бұрын
Stop treating your viewers like kindergartners don’t tell us how to behave
@diaamuharam6602
@diaamuharam6602 Ай бұрын
I'm Egyptian, and i'm asking you plz keep it in Germay انا مصري وبطلب منكوا تخلوها عندكوا بالمانيا
@ahmedelkhwaga2751
@ahmedelkhwaga2751 Ай бұрын
كىىمك ييع امك بالمره well they can keep your mom
@davanshamzeen502
@davanshamzeen502 Ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂
@mikromue
@mikromue 27 күн бұрын
Because it’s fake
@yukiyu6241
@yukiyu6241 Ай бұрын
Nefretiti belongs to Egypt -- that is the only law of truth!
@asmaadaway9052
@asmaadaway9052 Ай бұрын
Egypt ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
@dato7623
@dato7623 Ай бұрын
It's interesting how the Egyptian archeologist thinks Nefertiti was a feminist :) That is a really uneducated statement from one woman. But she has a point that the younger generation are different, they have to learn more about the world :)
@slawekwojtowicz
@slawekwojtowicz Ай бұрын
Return stolen goods!
@MIIIM-7
@MIIIM-7 16 күн бұрын
Because they have made it up
@MIIIM-7
@MIIIM-7 16 күн бұрын
But Egypt isn’t ready for it
@danielandradedi
@danielandradedi Ай бұрын
It’s a FAkE 😂😂
@user-rn9lg7iw2x
@user-rn9lg7iw2x Ай бұрын
Give her back
@user-wr4yl7tx3w
@user-wr4yl7tx3w Ай бұрын
Because Egyptians today are not ancient Egyptians from 3000 years ago. Simple as that.
@3idontknow3
@3idontknow3 27 күн бұрын
because Romano-Greek from Europe first destroyed their culture
@GrandTerr
@GrandTerr Ай бұрын
Selective hate. If we do, why dont we return everything? It will be fun ngl
@3idontknow3
@3idontknow3 27 күн бұрын
European museums would get empty
@miloshp7399
@miloshp7399 Ай бұрын
Different Egyptians now.
@Gallic_Gabagool
@Gallic_Gabagool 16 күн бұрын
Modern Egyptians have tons of genetic connection to ancient Egypt as shown by multiple genetic studies. Do your research.
@kandisofiadahlan8157
@kandisofiadahlan8157 Ай бұрын
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