That absolutely makes sense! That's exactly my point that not every builder is perfect for everyone. I appreciate you sharing your perspective and wish you luck as well

@@Permaslug thanks mate 🙌🏼

Tell yourself honestly (Permaslug didn't say, but apart from the cameras he would say it) do you believe that in 1-2 years, for example, Bricks will be great? Where's Gutenberg's developing behind his back? Of course it can be different. Gutenberg should have been builder no.1 long ago ... it was said so, but it did not happen.

@@Permaslug , I wholeheartedly suggest You to Try the new "Greenshift" Gutenberg plugin. This is a great complement( may be even a replacement for some people) for GenerateBlocks. Greenshift has the most advanced mobile / responsive Design capabilities for gutenberg, its performance is on the same level of GenerateBlocks, this month they will release a paid "Woocommerce Builder" Addon, it has the most advanced Animation capabilities in gutenberg, etc... Give it a Try, I'm sure You will Love it and surely will use it to complement GenerateBlocks.

Breakdance is coming for Bricks.

Haha! We can go, but you have to buy just to be safe...

Thank you!

I appreciate that!

Erm, Isn't Louis Reingold, the creator of Oxygen? In my eyes, that makes him the real Captain Oxygen, not this dude who doesn't even know how to code. I would say, that Captain Affiliate link, or Parasite is more appropriate

@@lilyleon1475 I sense some bitterness here. If you don't like what you see just scroll on by. Haters gonna Hate!🙂

@@AndyTate-1 - Listen dude, if you don't agree with my opinion, why not respond in some way to challenge my thinking, rather than try to apportion emotional some sort of emotional distress, as the root cause. It's very convenient for people with low understanding, to simply use cliché words, such as Hater and bitterness, don't you think, rather than digging a bit deeper

@@lilyleon1475 If your initial comment had been reasoned and supported with evidence I may well have responded in that way, but alas you did not. Stay safe lily leon.

@@AndyTate-1 Hmm 1. Louis Reingold, the creator of Oxygen and is the Real Captain = FACT 2. This dude admits by his own volition, he doesn't even know how to code = FACT Is this reasoned and supported with evidence enough for you? With that out of the way, we are a bunch of free thinking coders at our joint and would rather look up to a talented WordPress Page Builder creator like Louis, rather than listen to a nobody (end user) parasite, who rides on his coat tails - if you're happy being a sheep and looking for a flock to follow, go ahead. Good day

I haven't had a chance to investigate it in depth, but it's on my radar :-)

Give me an idea of what non-trivial development would be and I'll add it to my list

​@@Permaslug Here are some ideas that seem to be sticking points. - Full control over every node you might want to edit. For example open web dev, pick any element, and ask if you can change THAT element, change its ID, add/remove classes, add attributes, aria attributes data- attributes, etc. - Similar to above, but lets say you add a link or a button or an image, and you want to change the tag/class/id/data/attribute on that specific tag, the actual tag or tag etc. This probably works fine, but for example take Beaver Builder if you add an image and then put a class on it, the class isn't on the tag, it's on some grandparent element, so editing the actual tag itself becomes impossible. - Handling of full spec of pseudo elements and pseudo classes. I know this is just CSS, but can it be handled by the build tools? - Proper loading order and logical loading of CSS. Does it compile to minimal CSS, does it load in such a way as it properly overwrites more base styles? Even Oxygen struggles here because some random plugin like a tables plugin or form plugin will load its styles after Oxygen, overwriting base styles and base classes. I would think that no matter why, my personal custom stylings should be loading last of anything else in the system. - Decent handling of conditionals that cover a lot of what could be tested by pure PHP. Or at least an easy way to use PHP for a conditional if I had to, like an API where I can create my own condition. - Decent handling of repeater/query tooling. Dynamic data is too large an issue to be a 2nd class citizen in builders. If it's not a point-n-click access, it should have an interface or basic API or code blocks or something where I can insert something dynamic very easily. - Handling of breakpoints. I don't like any tool that locks me to a few standard sizes and that's it. I think design follows content so I often need custom breakpoints specific to the content. I know this can just be custom CSS but it's still nice if the editor gives me control over at least the default breakpoints or even add/remove them as needed. - Class-based or pattern-based development. Classes and global elements and reusable elements should be the foundation for development. While is it find to do "one-off" styles based on an ID or per-element, I think the builder should guide us to not doing that if possible. So non-trivial designs would involve making sure everything is accessible, where you can insert custom data attributes for your own JS or 3rd party tools to use, change attributes as needed, aria roles, structured data, etc. Then not being hindered within the need to output dynamic data, repeater data, or build conditions. Building overlapping structures with complex design patterns like animations, parallax, background images, filters, overlaying elements, clipping, gradients etc. The basic idea here is just that we need direct control over every element, its attributes, and CSS. Where making sure random extra elements aren't inserted cause the builder wants them but ends up breaking the pattern we need. One pattern might be something like a multi-header component. Overlay when scrolled to the top, then sticky with alternate styles when scrolling down. How things like modals and flyouts are handled. How shortcode are added and how much control we have over the surrounding elements. s I wish I had collected more specific examples, because I swear if I have even the smallest request on some Divi or Beaver or Elementor site, like "can you add a thing here?" I'll run into some weird gotcha that prevents it without workarounds. I run into gotchas on Oxygen too. Non-trivial just means try to do anything other than use a built-in block and its built-in settings. What is the process like to need a feature/block that isn't built-in? What's it like to change a setting that isn't built-in? What's it like to add something completely external like JS library that needs data attributes at the very least. One of the more frustrating examples is when a built-in block/element does everything you need but is only 95% of the way there. Do you rebuild the entire block from scratch as a custom element? Can you expand a built-in element or extend with API somehow? Can you copy it in some way and customize it to create your own element? I know that's not the greatest examples, but hopefully it gives you at least something to explore for future videos. All we have to do is read the docs or find a few explainer videos to see built-in features. It's only when built-in isn't enough where the power of the builder gets challenged. How easy is it to do anything that isn't built-in? Or to adjust defaults.

You should try something else … the software that developers has left behind will die.

@@pkg2885 yeah, I agree. I am moving to bricks.

The vast majority of client sites are on some kind care plan where we handle all updates for them beyond adding simple blog posts. Except for our largest clients, we handle nearly everything so that isn't a huge concern

@@Permaslug Thanks for the reply. Are you creating then some kind of front end post management and submission mechanism? Do you have them do it from the back end but doing any lock down techniques for the back end? Basically, how are you providing the limited post management for your clients? Many of my clients are not that computer literate, difficult "students" to learning management from the backend and are not native English speakers. I have been using so techniques limited by role/Capabilities to expose list of posts and the ability to edit them from that list or of course add new content to the specific post type/category. I am not letting my clients of this type into the backend at all :P

Thanks! Feels good to be excited again. Cwicly is intriguing for sure, but I've gotten incredibly far with just GeneratePress and GenerateBlocks and haven't had a need yet for Cwicly. It's worth exploring in the future though and I definitely intend to

@@Permaslug I'm glad you'll be doing videos about it, I really want to like Gutenberg, and Generateblocks helps in a way, but there are still lots of battles for me. I want to see how you tackle certain problems. Just some hints for videos I'd like to see: 1. Gutenberg still looks different at the back-end and front-end (maybe a video of your workflow?) 2. Styling with classes? To be honest, I jumped straight into Oxygen after Elementor, so have not really developed websites "the old way". 3. Do we use media queries, or does GB do the work for you? I have struggled with it in the past. I had to use Kadence blocks instead. 4. Other favourite blocks outside GP/GB family? Good luck, and we'll be waiting for your videos. ;)

Watch Grant Ambrose’s videos comparing Generate Blocks vs Cwicly. Generate Blocks is a trash can. Bricks is the way to go, it’s a modern pagebuilder and way superior to any other page builder in the Wordpress ecosystem.

Yes, I still use it for every project, both large and small

@@Permaslug it amazes me the twisted logic people use for using block based page-builders . You are not using the native Wordpress block editor, but rather a third party tool, whether it would be Generate Blocks or Cwicly or any other block based page builder. Since you are using a third party page-builder, then why use a trash can like generate blocks over something fundamentally superior like Bricks, for building small or large sites for clients. They are both Third party tools that functions over Wordpress. Anyhow, it is pointless to debate with a person who has put a blindfold over their eyes on purpose. To recommend Generate Blocks over Bricks, is a disservice to your clients and audience, who don’t know any better and rely on you for your judgement.

Thank you!

Please email me at contact@permaslug.com and I'll be happy to help

Stoked to hear that!

I've heard good things but not had a chance to delve into it yet

That gave me a good chuckle

I love building custom sites, as I mentioned! But just not how I want to spend the bulk of my time moving forward

@@Permaslug yes I get it, i feel similar

Haven't tried any but ThriveCart, but I'm a fan of it so far

I don't think page builders as a whole will completely die. I think they'll continue to evolve and change what we think of as a page builder

@@Permaslug I guess they will turn into plugins for Gutenberg! I was testing out Breakdance and it really looks like a powerful alternative to Oxygen and a much better UX than Gutenberg. Why didn't you stick around for it?

@@gashumba888 Once bitten twice shy??

@@AyDeeSandra That's a very African phrase! 😁

Thanks! Why the name Permaslug? I need to talk about that more apparently haha

Cwicly seems great, but it's like Oxygen. Settings overload and you can do anything inside the builder. I want something more straight forward, so GP+GB is where I'll be for now

@@Permaslug You pushed hard with all the rave reviews about Oxygen and to me, you just look like a hypocrite, now you're pushing the GB product. What really happened? Did Louis force your hand by getting rid of all his hangers on? As I see it, you're merely just another end user / non coder, that has a KZfaq channel and an opinion. You're not even a coder as far as I'm aware, so stop pretending to be bigger than the Oxygen product, with this Captain Oxygen façade.

There is nothing wrong with Oxygen, it is still working fine and will continue to be developed. It has it's quirks and those may never be ironed out, but it still ticks every single box for us, much more so than Gutenberg does. I disagree with your F**** Louis comment, he's built not one, but two page builders - Ask yourself what Captain parasite permaslug has done and it's not a lot. He's built an affiliates link business on the back of Louis' hard work and relies on lesser informed (lazy people) to provide him with an income. Notice also, no loyalty from Captain parasite, to the Oxygen brand! Breakdance offers and invites affiliates to marketers and I'm willing to bet that Louis told the parasite to take a hike, hence his switch GB. Content providers should never think they're bigger than the product they're pushing - They're just another end user at the end of the day

Our Oxygen is working fine and it's still the best overall builder for WordPress that we've come across.