Wrong. We are told in Coco that the person remembering him doesnt need to be related or known him in person. Instead, it is enough that a person who knew him and remembered his life work tells his story and their memory of him to another person. Eg.: Hector will live on even after Coco dies without issue because at the end of the movie Coco begins to tell stories about her dad to her family. Thus, ensuring that Hector will not meet his final death in a long time.

actually, in the movie Hector clearly states, and I quote: "Our memories.. they have to be passed down by those who knew us in life. in the stories they tell about us. " that clearly tells us that you don't have to know them to remember them, it tells us that a younger generation can be told about someone so that the younger ones remember them and carry on their memories so they have a longer afterlife in the land of the dead.

there’s a slight problem there, you don’t have to be blood related to the dead for them to continue living in the land of the dead

flaw in your logic. you say - miguels memories of him don't count, because he only met him after he died - abuelita only knew OF him - so the only living person who knew him was coco, who died in the end but we see hector in the land of the living after all of that...

Coco remember Hector fondly her father felt guilty of leaving on tour when murdered and felt sorry for Imelda he wrote the song for coco not just on tour when his great grandson gets his daughter to her senses she felt happy Miguel told her her father loved her so much if he ever came for her.🎸🎼💖👨‍👩‍👧‍👧🍂👨‍👩‍👧‍👧

Have you watched the movie because it was quite clearly explained, that if a person, who knew them while they were alive, shares a memory about them. They can stay in the land of the dead as long as that memory is passed on.

Actually we see Miguel explaining his little sister about the dead people and we assume mama coco told Hector's stories to her children which would keep them alive considering that no one actually knew the famous theif while he was alive, they only knew his stories.

Bro, it was already explained that as long as their stories are passed down in life /by/ the people who knew them they'll continue to be remembered from generation to generation.

If you go by THAT logic, then Mamá Imelda will fade as well, cause the only ones to remember and SEEN her were Coco, her husband, and her grandchildren. Cause as we see in her design that she didn't die at an old age like Coco, since she still has full black hair with a few gray lines. Again as long as their stories are passed on, they could still remain in the land of the dead.

I the movie Hector says that the memories of you have to be passed down by those who are living. So when mama coco started telling stories of her parents, she passed on her memories to her living family. That is why Hector didn't fade away when coco died.

You're forgetting the cultural context and also not giving Coco enough credit. She may have only been three years old when she last saw her papá, but she remembers a lot of details about him. Believe it or not, her dementia actually preserved Héctor's memory. Dementia deletes your memories from most recent to longest lasting. This results in the patient time traveling, so to speak. She gets bumped around on her personal timeline, seeing herself at the age she was when she made a given memory. Which is why she sometimes remembers her children and sometimes does not. Sometimes she is simply too far back on her timeline to realize she has kids. And since Héctor exists at the beginning of Coco's timeline, he is one of the last of her family to be forgotten. Please don't spread rumors about a Coco sequel. Nothing has been announced. You're quoting the plot of someone's fanfic. That should've been obvious from the suggestion that Alec Baldwin voice the villain. Pixar goes for authentic accents, so unless "Marcel" is an American who had the terrible misfortune of dying while vacationing in Cancun, Alec Baldwin is not voicing anyone. Besides, if he did, the real villain would turn out to be the guy who handles Baldwin's props, and Miguel would end up shot.

Ah yes the movie that made me cry

1 Hector was on the verge of disappearing when Coco passed the memory of him to the rest of the family, that's why he was "alive" at the end of the movie: the memory of him was safely in the minds and hearts of his family. 2 The purpose of the altar was to make it possible for the dead to pass over and visit the living. That's why Hector had survived for decades without his picture on any altar. 3 I suspect that, now that his crimes have been revealed, Ernesto will find his time in the Land of the Dead far less pleasant than before. As for people like Adolf Hitler and Mother Teresa, their cultures and views of the afterlife were very different from those depicted in Coco, so I think their experiences would also be very different.

There were literally Aztec skeletons there. They would have absolutely no one alive still

*So forgetting isn't too bad at the end of it all, not at the beginning of course but souls have to be forgotten sooner or later. This ties well into the theory that the final death implies reincarnation.* *Like Carl or asner said : thanks for an adventure, now go have a new one.*

i just love it how he posted this video on the day of the dead and yes i did not spend any time playing games i am spending time with my family

I don't think you necessarily have to be family/related to them for them to continue living in the land of the dead. There is one man who near the beginning of the movie was on his dentist's ofrenda. Even if he still had other family to remember him and tell his stories, they mostly only mentioned him being on his dentist's ofrenda.

At the end of the movie there is a scene of skeleton Coco hugging and walking next to Hector, so with your logic he shouldn't be there. Also soon after that we have a scene of a tour guide at the Rivera house, telling the stories of Hector's music and all the letters he had sent to his daughter as proof of being the author of Ernesto's songs. Meaning, Hector might actually be the only one that will be remembered in the future for a long time like Frida Kahlo was, as shown in the movie. But I dunno you tell me were your logic takes you (message not meant to be rude or condecending, this last frase was meant to be a joke).

Not necessarily. In CoCo, it’s just memories that need to be passed down and ensuring the picture is up that counts for the person being remembered. Obviously since this is based off dia de los muertos, that’s kinda how our culture is: it doesn’t matter if you knew the person, just as long as you keep their memories through stories and pictures alive in your hearts, they’re never truly forgotten and will continue to “live” on.

Hector flat out says that it happens to everyone eventually.

No, they don't have to have known them while alive. Being told stories about them suffices. It might help you to watch each movie a few times so you can catch all the details. I know it can be hard.

It's stated in the movie that it's the memories and stories passed down from those who knew them in life, meaning that since Coco finally told the full story and who he ACTUALLY was in life instead of just "that man" or "papa" to her family who then told them to the rest of the world, Hector will be remembered for a very long time to come. Sadly Ernesto will also be remembered, but not in the same light any longer.

I disagree with some of this. First of all, I believe you just have to know them personally for their memory to live on. Secondly, when they experience 'The Final Death' they can't exactly "rest in piece" unless they have somewhere to rest. I think their souls are either destroyed or recarnated.

You can pass down memories about from one generation to the other. Example: I am named after my great grandmother. I never met her due to the fact the she died one year before I was born. I don’t have physical memories but I have stories from my grandma and mamma about her. Sometimes I feel her around me

Not exactly, hector said the memories had to be passed on from those that knew them in life, therefore if tons of people remember them via memories that at some point came from someone that knew them like how coco eventually passes on his letters and those letters are then passed onto the public and so on, then hector probably has a better chance at existing longer than the other members of his family with his songs being so famous.

This is the first I’ve ever heard about Coco 2 being a thing….

No they said that they live on through the memories of the living AND the stories told about them. At the end of the movie, since coco died, hector should have disappeared if she was the last person to actually remember him in life. However he is still around because coco finally opened up about her father so now his memory can live on in the stories told among the family and the people who now know that he originally was the song writer.

Coco was forgetting Hector and when Miguel came back from being in the land of the dead and sang remember me to coco her memory regained. But if Miguel didn’t sing remember me, Then Hector would’ve been forgotten for good. But at the end, A lot of people where talking about his history and everyone would remember him including his family when coco found the missing part of the family photo. But before that coco was the only person who remembered him but it wasn’t just because nobody put his photo, it was basically because Miguel sang the song that Hector sang to coco as a kid.

I understand the case you want to make, but the presence of Frieda Kohlo proves that souls don't need to have met the person for their "memories" of them to count.

Mother Theresa wasn't all that good

If Ernesto can be remembered by fans then Hector can be remembered by someone other than family.

I feel like you disproved your point about Hector’s legacy when you mentioned Delà Cruz’s character. Delà Cruz was surprised that he had a living relative to begin with and was straight vibing for a generation or two.

Coco 2 should be return of Ernesto trying to make Hector forgotten again and try to frame him of doing whatever he has done in the past

Hector will never fade because people will keep telling his stories just like Ernesto, who will also be remembered but not in a good way, so he’s not gonna fade for a long time. People will stop telling everyone about him since he was bad. He’ll disappear because people will stop putting up his photos.

In movie The Book Of Life when your forgotten you to The Land Of The Forgotten and that is Purgatory until you fade.

Well I do love this video I've got to say, it explains in the movie that even when the people who actually knew the person who died dies, the person they knew can still live on in the land of the dead if they have shared the stories of that person to their loved ones. That's why Hector was so scared because Coco didn't share any stories about him and was starting to lose her memories in general of him but Miguel managed to stir up those memories and she passed down some stories of Hector(that and he just wanted to at least see his daughter one last time before he final death-ed)

Incredible job

The rule is the memory has to be passed down, for example, ernesto probably had no children to speak of, seeing as how he was shocked to discover he had descendants, but he is still remembered by all those who listen to the music and remember him, also, hector knew that having miguel putting his picture on any ofrenda would work, even before they found out they were related, and the first time we see hector trying to cross the bridge, just before him is a man allowed to pass because his picture was on his dentist’s ofrenda, and while it’s possible that the two were family, the extreme amount of dental work seems the more likely reason, because the dentist remembered that man, and miguel might not have known hector in life, but he got a pretty good description of what his later part of life would have been like, if anything, he knows more about hector than coco did when she died, since she was a little girl when he left, and since hector is now being recognized as the true author of all the songs, people will remember him as the artist, so he will last for a while

Sounds like pixar is turning into what disney use to be.

Wait, Coco's getting a sequel? SIGN ME THE HELL UP!!!

Coco 2 being a thing is news to me!

Incredible job 👏🙌👌❤😍👍

And some extra villains to help him do so

Doesn't seem like you paid attention to the movie, Hector said someone who knew you while you were alive has to pass down stories about you, so when mama coco told the family about him it was making it where more knew about him so he's not going anywhere. Plus if it needed to be someone who knew him while he was alive to remember him he would have went to the final death before mama coco even got there

Famous people are remembered by many even if their fans never knew them personally

Mother Torisa wasn’t a good guy

It's not only about memories it's about talking about people still talking about them

I’m really excited for 2022 now. I love this movie

I love that this was made on Dia de los Muertos 🎉💖💜🤗

Wonderful👏🙌👌👍😀💙

Love it

If being forgotten is a good thing? I rightfully say that it depends on the person and what they did in there lifetime Take Ernesto for example.he did bad things in his life and at the end of the movie got crushed by a bell Later on we see “forget you” on his statue of the memorial and the people know the story This means.he had the right to be forgotten

I think the land of the dead is the middle of life and actual death itself, like it could be the place before you go to hell or heaven

“You can’t remember someone you never met” My brother, who remembers our great grandfather besides being born a few months after his death (because his weird child dreams): * fades away *

Hector kept a diary with all the lyrics of his songs and at the end of the movie this becomes a shrine showing all the lyrics inside of the diary... therefore everyone will remember him based on his stories inside the diary. your theory is flawed.

lol the character voiced by John Ratzenberger (the skeleton with the tooth bling) was able to go back to the Land of the Living because his dentist had his photo on the offrenda (sp?), disproving the notion that it had to be a living relative

Amazing 👏🙀😮😲😯

Well I have to say you make a great point with regarding the movie. But actually the tradition of the ofrenda is not about random people remembering you but your family, the people that truly love you. The stories of you that are past down generation after generation. So for instance like you mentioned Hitler he will only live as long as his loved ones remember him not as long as the world remembers. The ofrenda in made for your family not for your favorite celebrity, because in our culture or at least what I was taught family is the most important thing in our life. There are people that will make ofrendas for celebrities like Miguel did for Ernesto de la Cruz but it's to pay your respect to the person...

The lore in the movie literally disproves this theory.

Hector won't die out completely because his story was told and corrected by Miguel and Coco. Miguel will keep Hector story alive . Miguel will continue the tradition.

this reminds me of the manga "Houseki No Kuni" a.k.a. "the land of the lustrous"... the dead only want to go into nothingness, where they can finally rest for eternity. but as there's no human left on Earth to pray for them, they're unable to leave their purgatory... so they stay on the moon, for thousands of centuries, and they're deeply worn out of that situation.

Mother Teresa, the OPPOSITE of evil? Really dude, how little do you know about that cruel witch?

I don't think they had to actually have met them for them to continue on existing in the land of the dead, they simply need to just know who they are in order to continue their existance, which is the point of setting up the pictures, so that future family members who have never met their ancestors can know who they were through being told from elder family members. In this way, their memory will live on forever as long as the family line continues to grow.

This is interesting

Where did you find the information for Coco 2?

I think you forgot the fact that as long as someone who remembers them passes on their story then they won't fade away.

happy festival of ligth

I want CoCo 2 now

I feel like thematically, the Final Death being reincarnation kinda makes more sense. In the way of you meeting the final death of wither not being someone worth remembering or outliving (for lack of a better word) your memory. So you fade into a new life to hopefully become someone worth remembering.

wait!!... if Hector will be forgotten because coco is the last of family members to have a "living" memory of him, then when she dies then he should be forgotten... however we see him dancing with his wife in a small clip for the next movie of coco 2... does that not cancel this theory all together?...

You're wrong. By the time Hector actually gets to go back to the land of the living its the whole next year. And no one actually remembers him. He would've been gone already. You just need a picture on your offrenda and you can cross.

If there’s info about Planes that I missed, I need to see a video of one

Except that's not right. It can be anyone that remembers you, like the skeleton that had a photo on his former dentist which is how they crossed over. Coco gave a memory to the family of her dad once she did know him as a little kid, they sang songs together all the time. It's like the rest of the family that is dead many weren't around for the younger kids, but they have memories of their time living. It's the same thing for Hector, as well as when it comes out that he is actually the famous one there will be people to remember him traveling. As well as photos of his time traveling, meaning more people remembering him.

I hope there is Coco 2 because it is already 2023

If you follow the logic when all life on Earth dies let's say when the sun explodes all Life in the Land of the Dead will be forgotten because there's no one left to remember them

If you have to have actually known the person while they were alive for them to be remembered, then how do you explain Hector still being present at the end of the film after Coco’s passing.

I think the final death with lead the souls to their next life. In reincarnation. You see as long as someone remember you in living world, the soul would have something to hold on to. As long as they are totally forgotten, or their exact face is forgotten, they can move on to next life to make new memories

The only one that had personal memory of Hector prior to Miguel was Coco. Hector died when Coco was young, there is no way her daughter could have any personal memory of him. This is an important plot point that Coco's is the only memory keeping him from passing on and explicit that he expected he would pass on at the same time she arrived. But Coco is clearly dead at the end yet he is still in the land of the dead. So Miguel's experience in the land of the dead must have counted as a personal memory once Miguel returned. Both Coco and Hector will likely pass on only when Miguel, being the youngest or only remember-er, either dies or forgets. Maybe Hector didn't know or realize that Miguel's return to the land of the living would also buy him more time and enable him and Coco to cohabitate the land of the dead. I see no evidence that ofrenda does anything beyond allowing them travel to the land of the living and is separate to them passing on from the land of the dead. Hector's only stated reason for asking Miguel (believing him to be a non-family member at the time) was so that he could see Coco in the land of the living before he passed on, because he expected to pass on when she died or finally lost her memory. This also means that not only does the ofrenda not need to be a family member, but the spirits can visit anywhere/anyone in the land of the living and not just wherever the ofrenda is.

My theory is after they are truly forgotten they are reborn into the world of the living.

If we go with the "must be remembered who knew them when they were alive", then every soul would have to move after 120 years at maximum.

Ah yes. "18 year old with depression caused by the loss of loved ones". As if the first movie haven't let me experienced enough grief and sadness. I was a wreck after watching "Coco".

Your thesis is missing one small crucial detail, no time elapses from the death of the final living person who remembers you and you dying the second death. There is no delay, as evidence Hector's driving motivation is getting to meet his daughter, unless the memory of him gets passed on after her death the instant Coco entered the land of the dead Hector would leave it.

Wrong you don’t have to be blood to remember him. They made their house into a sort of museum for Hector. That how Ernesto stayed around and Frida Calo

There was suppose to be a 2nd movie?

Funny we are watch this movie in school but in Spanish with English sub tittles yes way better than English with Spanish sub tittles

Hector was hugging coco in the end of the movie… so he should have disappeared when she died.

At the end of the movie they are telling people of the real story between Hector and Ernesto and giving him credit for the songs he made so he will actually be remembered for a very long time. You... you didn’t see the movie, did you? Also there was never any announcement for Coco 2? Are you serious?

Must've sucked for people that lived before Photography became mainstream

Hector won't despair from land of the dead because his story is passed down

wondering if they are trying to copyright dia de los muertos again in coco 2.....

There's a difference between knowing someone and knowing of them. I know of Bill Gates, for example, but don't know him.

I think maby coco told stories about him to the family after they put his photo in the ofrenda

But at the end of the movie Coco tells Hector stories

Let's not use mother Teresa as some great person when in fact she isnt. Her "missions" weren't fulfilled and she didnt do what she said she did. Ppl didnt receive the proper medical care, were being forced into catholicism, forced the campaign meetings, and ect

I feel like Coco her dad and mum will be left

What happen if someone was forgotten then remembered again yah finding a old history book

Mother Theresa is not good

Aren’t some of the people seen in these clips also from Aztec times?… If there was a time limit they should have hit it by now.

Tell me why, but it kinda sounds like Coco 2 has a dark undertone related to suicide.

I s There still going to be a Coco 2