“We have decreased the heavy enemy spawn rate by about 30%” bruh the chargers be spawning like crazy

If they’re going to add gunship patrols they should already be adding the air to air eagle strategem

When the devs said TTK was too high, they were not talking about enemies, they were talking about players

OhDough's list of complaints in this video, in order: - Recoilless Rifle takes 25% longer to reload. - Gunship Patrols/leads to limited variety of weapons you can bring to deal with them. - Charger Behemoth spawn rates. - Arc Thrower/weaker weapons useless simply because Behemoth's exist. - Newest buffs irrelevant because not every weapon can deal with heavily armored enemies. - unintentional Recoilless Rifle/E.A.T. damage bug/reload speed. - bots/bug hunters seemingly more accurate. - doesn't like bullet flinch and weapon sway, compared to enemy accuracy. - packing methodology upgrade broken. - Amount of Patrols heavily increased. - "Gunship Patrols shouldn't exist". - HMG shouldn't have two reloads and only 75 ammo. - Realism shouldn't matter in this game. - Support weapons should be top fun balance priority over strategems/primary weapons. - Railgun should pierce enemies. Personally, I agree with several of his points, but disagree with a few of his proposed changes. Overall I share the same sentiment that spawn rates are insane, and support weapons need some more love in order to deal with the increased quantity of heavy armored enemies.

These armored chargers are more common than regular chargers.

Guess what? The 'Superior Packing Methodology' Ship Module doesn't work. Again.

The enemy patrols are just crazy. Patrol after patrol. It’s hard to get any objectives done cause I’m busy fighting wave after wave of enemies. Shit is intense.

*_I fear no bot._* But... those gunship patrols... *_they scare me._*

Flying patrols are a bugged operation modifier that isn't displaying properly. The increased patrol numbers are another unintentional bug, as is the recoilless rifle reload (both confirmed by devs).

It's strange that they said TTK was a problem and then they added a beef lord to the bugs

I’m so sad man. None of my friends have wanted to play the game for a while now because of all the bugs and nerfs. We used to play almost every night, but in the past month I don’t think we’ve played more than 5 times total. I was really hoping this patch would fix the game enough to get us back into it, but there’s no way they’re going to want to play the game in this state. And beyond that, I think I’m just done with it. The devs have had a month to just fix the game, and they seem completely incapable of putting out a patch that doesn’t break half the game. I’m tired of fighting for this game when it seems like the company making it doesn’t care. I’m not willing to wait another month for fixes while playing the game in this state by myself. It’s a shame; this was such a promising game at the start.

Has anyone noticed bugs having more HP? I used to one-shot bile spewers with the impact grenade, and I was able to kill the bile titan with one 500-kilogram bomb as well. But since the patch, I've seen a bile titan take two orbital railgun shots and walk it off. I hit them directly with the 500-kilogram bomb, and they walk away unscathed. While the bile spewers are now able to take an impact grenade and keep on trucking.

I don’t think the majority of the devs fully understand the ridiculously complicated damage system they made for this game.

The bullet flinch is the main reason I hate playing Automatons. The Autocannon already has a super slow aim and heavy kickback. So im just missing half my shots from getting shot at...

Being a Helldivers 1 vet, I said from the beginning that Arrowhead will likely destroy Helldivers 2 with their obsessive balancing and patching, just like they did with the first game. People didn't believe me. Well look at it now. It's HD1 all over again.

I spawned into a mission where we dropped near 2-3 gunship fabricators. But there was also a jammer nearby so we couldn’t destroy the fabricator without taking out the jammer. We’re pushing towards the jammer but in the meantime the fabricator is pumping out gunships literally every 30 seconds. Anyways we get rocket juggled to death over and over again without being able to do anything about it so I just closed the game.

The ragdolls in this game are getting ridiculous. If I barely take damage from a rocket, I shouldn't get launched 20 m into the air. If I'm behind hard cover and take zero damage from an explosion on the other side of the cover, I shouldn't be thrown back 15 m out of my cover. If I'm thrown to the ground by _anything,_ don't force me to stand up as slowly as your local centenarian. Let me stay prone and quickly shoot or stim, or let me get up as quickly as if I had deliberately been prone.

Armor type NEEDS to affect flinching and ragdolling. Side note on ragdolling, if I dive and get hit by a rocket midair, I DON'T WANT TO SLOWLY STAND BACK UP AFTERWARDS.

Getting beamed by bots through smokes, unclear environment, and blizzards is super fun. Devastators shooting me through rocks is fun too.

Had a mission last night, we had 11. Fking 11 gunships on us. One of those games where you drop on next to two gunship bases then got flanked by the seeningly endless flood of gunship patrols. All we did was get pinballed around and die for 10 minutes. And it wasnt so much because we couldnt kill them--we did it was just the endless barfing of them ontop of us. They really need to add some anti air call downs, ortbital air brust, turrent spears, maybe an air craft that does a zone protection for a few seconds...just something man.

So far it SEEMS like the gunship and shrieker patrols are a mission modifier. Its the bugged modifier that doesnt show any text. So you can just play on missions without that if you want to play weaker anti gunship

I thought I got shittier, but this explains everything. Really unfortunate. Also, I like the gunship patrols but I find it ridiculous because I got screwed over at the start of a mission because there was a gunship patrols, a regular patrol and some stationary bots close by, so I couldn't take down the ships because of it and couldn't kill the bots while getting blasted by the ships, so I was just like, "Nah, not doing this" and quit to desktop. Also, have been getting headshotted way more and it is really REALLY frustrating, sometimes I don't even get to react.

I'm glad someone is noticing that the game is even worse now. Arrowhead can't balance to save their lives.

At this point someone is sabotaging the game on purpose.

It’s insane the amount of updates and balancing they need for a pve game. Don’t think I have ever seen so much chaos for a game that doesn’t even have a pvp mode

You know what annoys people about automatons? Is getting stun locked in the ragdoll state because you have 6-8 rocket devstators, 2-3 rocket hulks, 3-5 gunships all shooting fucking rockets at you non stop. They need to either one tone down the rate in which rockets are spawned in or used or make it so rockets only flinch you if that.

11:00 the amount of gun fire is why it isn't fun. Its literally coming from every direction. The flinch is so real. I legit thought i was getting worse at the game. I just couldn't put my finger on what was going on.

The devs a screaming “you’re supposed to run that’s how we designed it.”

Arrowhead: We don't often test our code, but when we do, we do it in Production.

Alexus has escaped confinement. I repeat, *_ALEXUS HAS ESCAPED CONFINEMENT!!!_*

I think it feels better, more stratagems are viable and it feels really fun to be at the edge of my seat and make it somehow .

They said they reduced hulk spawns but I swear I saw a hulk every 9 seconds while playing

The aim improvement of enemies was glaringly clear when I hopped on last night. Got completely obliterated by an MG Raider as soon as I saw the first shot hit me. I’ve never been so confused in this game as when one, lone, infantry fodder just absolutely shredded me in a second. I didn’t even have time to turn around.

"We rolled back the patrol changes to the previous values. Except for when we didn't. We can't leave well enough alone." Are the gunship patrols tied to there being a tower on the map or do they keep showing up even after you blow it up?

To be clear, gunship patrols are a modifier and the modifier display is bugged.

Once again I'm left asking "do you play your own game?" Thank you for making this video, so many creators are primed to put out uncritical, overly positive content, but unfortunately this patch, overall, didn't land.

Why couldn't they've just added all the good changes without making unnecessary changes?

"The new patch is good...on paper" Sums it up pretty well.

So wasn't a placebo effect, i got 1 shot multiple time from the little guys automaton

Just played on automaton medium doing a bit of super credit hunting and seeing if I can try out other builds solo, you would think I was on hell dive the enemy’s were coming from everywhere as someone else said you get behind cover and your rag dolled out of it or you have enemy’s coming at you from all angles went back to my normal ballistic shield pummeler combo managed to complete missions but rarely able to extract

me and my homie played a match today, he memed and brought a stalwart and supply pack for bots, he shot 10000 fuckign shots, gotten 700 kills and we still couldnt shoot our way across the map towards the extract, bots just kept coming

Who untied Alexus?

Never shot and killed by a scout strider from full health before until this patch too…

We played 5 diff 7 missions against bots yesterday and it was fine. We aren't particularly good at the game, this is the first I'm hearing about difficulty after the patch.

For me Heavy devastator has to be the most annoyingly accurate enemy with a heavy hitting machine gun and the automaton eradicate missions are actually hell to deal with on just difficulty 6, not even 7, 8, or 9 and especially so with the gunship modifier. For the automaton eradicate missions you may as well have offensive only stratagems as you can't keep your stuff for more than a quarter of a minute and turrets will be dead or dry before they can even be useful.

one thing that speaks volumes to me is that they say: "Our intent is to ease up on the demand of anti-tank weapons..." yet instead of giving us more ways to deal with larger enemies, they just make them spawn *less*. so anti-tank is just as essential, you just use it less often (in theory, at least) very questionable design philosophy

The stagger from enemies is too much I feel like sometimes all I can do is watch myself get thrown around for 20 seconds and hope I survive It makes any weapon that requires charge up unviable option

Playing against bots was bad enough now it’s just annoying they never miss and the flinch is insane.

Yeah, IMO gunship patrols ought to be composed of one, _MAYBE_ two gunships.

The original Helldivers had Helldivers be glass cannons, but actually cannons. You could be splatted in a second, but you could also mow through enemies if you knew what you were doing. Reducing our power and making enemies bullet sponges makes this less fun than the original. Arrowhead doesn't get it.

I'm mainly curious about how the charger behemoth eats food when it's got large horn protrusions above and below its mouth plus no hands (that I can see anyway).

*Buys and plays a coop shooter* *Insists that he should be able to deal with any threat on his own* That's what we have difficulty levels for. I'm very glad to see the airship patrols, and they're no longer a "stay away from their spawn until we're ready to deal with it" thing.

They need to make flinch tied to the armor type, light armor will remain the same, medium armor will have reduced flinch and heavy armor have no flinch. Its really annoying to get hit and immediately have to dive out of the way because trying to wait for your aim to reset is not worth it.

So you know those heavily armored flying enemies that rain death and destruction onto the battlefield and are only destroyed by heavy AP weapons, but the spawning of which can be entirely disabled to make the mission easier? Yeah we added convoys of five at a time as regular enemies. Oh and also they don’t actually count as a patrol so ground units spawn independently. Alright that’s it for making Helldivers worse with baffling decisions, bye!

God the railgun sucks so bad still

You nailed it, I now run stealth armor and just run away from everything while clearing the objectives. The gunships and the crazy patrols seems endless, especially when you've cleared the entire map and just trying to get close to the EZ. It seems that it's necessary to bait an infantry to call in for dropship away from EZ and 12 dropship come through sprinkled with gunships. IF only airburst can oneshot the gunships/dropships, then maybe. I dread fighting the bugs now, I have to run flamethrower and EAT + every anti-tank strategem or else no one is having fun.

I think they secretly nerfed the laser cannon. Before it seemed like I could take down a gunship in a matter of 1-2 seconds. Now, there were several instances where it took 3-5 seconds. they also need to fix the rocket devastators aim. I had an instance where I was prone and wearing the heaviest armor in the game, and a devastator hit me from 70+m away and took over 50% of my health. also, I'm noticing that I'm getting hit far more frequently with the standard lasers while running the ballistic shield.

Anytime I quit the game, it freezes up the game, and I have to restart my computer.

Gunship patrols are so busted. Bot front is literally ragdoll simulator, doesn't matter how many gunships you kill, there are always more. The best thing is when you start a mission next to a gunship fabricator and a stratagem jammer, combined with infinite ground patrols, and guess what? More gunship patrols too. Very fun. Somehow ATAT spam is easier than gunships. This game is just ridiculous now. I haven't even tried bugs yet.

I admire Dough bringing up the issues that we still have, because Arrowhead needs to be held accountable, but it just feels like complaining after awhile

they keep adding these weird obscure random changes that no one wants or needs and I cant figure out why, things like spore spewers having more health, random stagger reductions, these flying patrols, stronger chargers and so on ... its like they need to fck up something new everytime they do a patch when all they need to do is play with numbers on weapons and stratagems

Having a gunship patrol coming for your booty while you're attacking a gunship fabricator feels great. 10/10, loving the new patch

The recoilless/packing methodology thing seems like a classic code merging fuckup. The new patch build was probably already in works at the same time as the previous .300, and they forgot to add the .300 changes to the new patch once it was done, or overwrote them by accident. Thing is, if they were doing more testing as they claimed, they absolutely should have caught this. It isn't a weird edge-case. You just need to fire the recoilless to empty and try to rearm while you have all the upgrades.

Gunships being patrols (and shriekers hypothetically) is awesome. Encounter variety is a W. What's not fun is Gunships being able to shoot volleys of rockets, each of which have a decent chance of killing you, at blisteringly quick intervals. Gunships are overturned in terms of damage potential, health pool, and armor/resistance. Get rid of their rockets and keep everything else the same and it would help immensely. Do that and let us kill them with light-arms fire and i think they'd be in a very fun spot. On a tangentially related note: I think we are all, collectively as a community, quite tired of the bots ragdoll spam. I love fighting the bots, but i hate the rocket devastator's ragdoll potential and despise the Gunship's ragdoll potential.

How tf did they even manage to "accidentally" make the recoiless slower to reload😂😂

The spawns are crazy I did a level 4 bug mission to do the flamethrower personal order 390 kills in 30 minutes Just endless flying Wilbur’s On level 4

Bro i came back after a 3 month break and i start a lv 4 mission. First thing that happens as soon as I step out the hell pod I get mauled by a charger and the LMG i called down is stuck in the ground 😭

womp womp, all i hear is alot of crying

I agree with you, the amount of people coping and defending things that clearly still need improvement is wild. Not shitting on arrowhead I'd say it's actually nice to see some work in the right direction but the game is not in perfect state by any means in terms of balance.

Bot side? You’re cooked without an autocannon cause we got infinite Gunships! Bug side? You’re cooked without a flamethrower cause we got infinite chargers that absorb three rockets to the face!

Honestly I really like where difficulty 7 is at in terms of number of spawns and the types of enemies. It's way less sweaty and I am having loads of fun playing with whatever gear I want.

This update reads like a boss who knows what a good game is directing a team that wants to make a bad game. You will still have over all good updates, but there will always be things that sabotage the game unless you remove the employees who are acting more like a malignant cancer than an actual employee.

Got on after patch, immediately got shot through a wall and my vision went above the map because of being ragdolled in first person. Decided I would try to answer some SOS calls and my game crashed from switching to public. NICE

When AH said ''spawns and patrols reverted'', I was thinkig ''okay, day 1, and work from there, nice'', but what the devs ment when they said ''revert'' was back when they were ass mad at the players for clearing helldive solo and went way overbord as a f!$% you.

Why did they make the hit marker smaller, the intense yellow and color saturation on stims?? The ugly lines on the galaxy map. Getting rid of or hiding the mission time, changing the objective HUD layout. Changing the little picture preview before picking a planet. It’s small things that they’ve changed that I’m like “Why? Who did this bother?”

What to you think about adding positive/neutral/altering operation modifiers? Like for example, 'SEAF AA array' that eliminates gunship patrols and reduces the number of dropships in bot reinforcements by one, or 'unstable terrain' which removes bases from the map and instead scatters the bug holes/fabricators across the whole location, or 'swampy grounds' which remove heavies from the spawn pool but instead double the amount of chaff?

To your point about the HMG and the stupid "realism" they claim theyre going for: I'm an actual machine gunner in the military. If we were going to make things actually realistic, the LIGHT machine gun would have a 400% stamina drain multiplier, could only be operated reliably on bipods or tripods, and would require 2 people to operate effectively. You can imagine how the HEAVY machine gun would behave. Also one EAT would kill a charger a bile titan literally anywhere (or at least the spear). These are literally designed to kill bunkers/tanks. Some bug chitin is actual paper to them. Wanted to add, actually the lmg and especially hmg would absolutely emulsify chargers and bile titans as well.

Gunship patrols was all I needed to hear for this diver to take a break. I'll be back when super earth is under attack

Now it feels like I'm literally being spawned on top of constantly. I turn my back for a second then back again and a new horde is in my face. I don't have confidence that Arrowhead even knows what makes the game fun.

My issue with this patch is that they said they were reverting THE nerfs. But they only reverted the last nerfs, like why can't the slugger stun? Who knows

I got ganked by 5 gunships as soon as I dropped in on a Blitz mission yesterday. This didn't happen once by the way. No, it happened *twice.* Screw gunships, hope they stay in their little incel gunship fabricators and keep gooning forever.

I had FIVE charger behemoths chasing me at one time today. Five. I just quit the game. Not going to run in circles for 10 minutes waiting for the ONE stratagem that can deal with them to come off cooldown five times in a row. This game doesn't respect my time, and I am just about done with it.

Am I the only one who has noticed that grenades are thrown waaay left of the crosshair now?? I can't even land a thermite grenade on the broad side of a hulk this patch, let alone throw a knife precisely... wtf??

Blizzards seem to not affect bots at all. I've been been trying to sneak past enemies through a blizzard that aren't even close and they somehow manage to spot me and start shooting. I've been getting shot through Blizzards by bots that I can't even see

Packing Metholodology only restores up to 2 magazines instead of 3. Bugged

I played a couple of bot games with a friend today and it was miserable. At one point we had 3 different patrols, gunship patrol and a gunship factory. There were so many gunships that by the time we killed them another gunship patrol had spawned and the game was doomed. We normally go helldive difficulty but we had to lower it since it just wasn't enjoyable. I have never eaten more rockets in my life and lets not even mention the gigachad CSGO pro player bots that can headshot me while im in the air getting ragdolled by the 5 rocket devastators 2 rocket hulks and 4 gunships. Shit isn't event cooked, Its deepfried. Probably feels great for lower difficulties though.

Honestly its more fun now. Much harder to solo but killing 300+ bugs every game is a blast. Its Helldivers just get good.

I saw 3 drop ships appear in almost warp speed last night, I wished I recorded it to upload lol.

I'll never understand why they changed the chargers from HD1. Chargers could still be a danger, but a well-placed shot the their exposed rear-end was a kill, and the Automatons are still a headache with their constant barrage of gunfire. The gunship patrols would be a nice addition, but they're entirely too frequent. I was looking forward to the patch, but the game is somehow less fun than before.

I've heard hd1 had a lot more "fun mechanics", guns were better, strategems, etc. would be cool if you did a vid on that and how it compares to hd2

That clip of your teammate missing his shot, getting stomped by the behemoth, and you casually roasting it after before calling in a reinforcement got me good.

Railgun is mandatory against automaton's hordes of devastators

“We lowered the amount of heavies to increase loadout diversity at higher difficulties” But also “We added gunships to patrols because screw you” There’s simply no way the devs are play testing the release build at any higher difficulty. There’s no way they play this above D4 and think “yeah this is super fun, players are gonna love this”. Also no way they test because how is the packing upgrade broken once again. It’s been broken longer than it’s worked.

They just seem to be incapable of balancing reasonably. If they make one enemy tankier, they should decrease the spawn rates of that enemy. If one heavy armor enemy spawns in large groups very commonly, make that enemy weaker. If there’s more tankier enemies, increase my ammo for AT weapons or make the reloads quicker. Instead they do all the opposites. Make these changes make sense!

If they are worried about realism, why is it that when I drop in, I leave the ship without full ammo or a secondary? I should be leaving the ship with full ammo, stims and grenades. Also I should be able to select any secondary I want and start the game with it.

can't relate at all honestly, my group and i are finding helldive and the game overall to be the most fun it's ever been, no running away needed when the weapons and stratagems we already liked and thought were strong are being buffed because youtuber#6001 labelled them "D tier"

The moment they nerf the incendiary breaker, the game dies for people who like to play against bugs From a game design standpoint, realism in some form is good in games until it gets in the way of fun and gets in the way of the game's fun aspects. Then it becomes a bad game design

Glad it's not just me. This update feels so much worse to play than before. Not only did it introduce new bugs, but the patrol spawn frequency feel worse or unchanged. For wanting to take longer with their patches...it feels like no testing was done on this one.

I think they spaghetti coding, because something new always happens whenever they try to fix a problem

100% agree bro...Everybody in these comment sections keep sayin "if you're still complaiing after this patch, you'll never be happy," and "this patch saved the game, its soooo awesome now!" but it's not awesome at all, the fun factor is almost 100% gone. Same meta weapons n strats, same missions, same bullshit flinch, ragdolling me into shit, etc. The patch has the game just as fucked up as it was, it just takes a different path to get to the same fucked up place. The shady ass peeps at AH buffed the hell outta the Tenderizer ONLY to soften the blow of the last shit warbond and left the obsolete guns obsolete. The AR's are still trash... Lib Pen -45 damage, shit mag, Lib C -shit mag, shit fire rate, no scope. New Lib -lmao with that useless P.O.S. Adjudicator has all kinds of recoil but does 15 less damage than the Tenderizer which has no recoil and staggers and medium pen really isnt that big of a deal if you're shooting sweet spots so thats no excuse to leave shit so unbalanced. The Breaker needs a bigger mag, the Spray n Pray is still nerfed and still sucks, the slugger didnt get its stagger back, the Eruptor still has no shrapnel. The patrols are all fucked up after they lied and said they were being reverted...the new warbond makes us buy those skins to unlock all the teirs, but u cant even see the damn skin on hellpods cause you look down at the top of it the whole time and it goes into the ground after it hits -lol The new Eagle Strafe impact width was cut in half so its a hair more powerful but doesn't hit shit now, the 110 pods are a damn joke that hit more but do less damage so it still does exactly what it did before. That throwing knife is the dumbest idea i can imagine short of a grenade launcher shooting suction cup dildos that explode after a few secinds, and the goddamn burn me to death jumpack bots are pissing me off. Shit sneakin up on you without making even one footstep, enemies having 150% accuracy on a moving or diving Helldiver, rockets hitting the front of the mountain Im using for cover and ragdolling my ass all over the place.The list just goes on and on. Yeah the patch was one step in the right direction, but they took 50 steps in the wrong direction to begin with and wont fix it back to the way it was when it was big time fun. Instead, they do a couple of minor tweaks that help and change a bunch of other shit that shouldn't have been messed with. I love HD2 but you're 100% correct, they have sucked the fun outta the game and it feels like a chore to even fire it up these last 6 weeks. It's a damn shame that it os how it is and AH just said they gonna be taking time off for the Summer and there wont be much (if any) support, fixes, additions or anything for a couple of months. Right now the grave has been dug, the game is sitting on the edge ready to be kicked into the hole and buried, and if AH doesnt get it in decent shaoe befire a 2 or 3 month vacation, gamers will bury it and move on.