Phase shift in filters - nice, I haven’t heard this mentioned in decades and had forgotten all about it, thank you!

Linear phase EQ’s wont have such a dramatic effect either, but definitely avoid using extreme sharp cuts. Ive rarely used anything harsher than 24db and never that much on low end. 6-12db combined with low shelf will do everything you need, just takes a bit more “ears” and less “eyes” when mixing.

I’ve gained more useful knowledge from this dudes 60 second clips than anyone else on KZfaq

I admit, I like my steep cuts or passes, but I usually check if there’s something wrong afterwards or unpleasant, and if it doesn’t and it sounds good, I’m good too ✌️ anyway, thanks for the vid, I’m trying the shelf method 👌

Thanks for this video! I was using ableton eq8 and I always choose 4x cut! Never thought that it’ll ruin my mix

I've been having this issue ever since I've started making music, i do a cut and the volume increases. When I use linear phase it loses energy. Thanks this made a big difference thanks 🙏🏽👍🏽

Ive recently started low shelfing my bass instead of high passing and it keeps it warm but also gets out the way of the kick

Thanks for sharing this. This channel really is about mixing ENGINEERING. Waiting for more!

Thank you for answering my confusion 🙏🏻 I'll take care of that phase for punch 👊

I prefer to go for low or high shelves instead of filters, for this reason.

Finally some agrees that low shelf’s are better than hpf

So true, I will never understand why people willingly make their mixes sound thin by removing all the low end from the parts that actually need it(the kick and bass)

Thank you!!! I've been saying this for ages.....

Could you do or link me to a explanation of the phase shift's effects? I've never understood how phase shift functions and why it can be a negative thing.

Adding HPF also changes tightness. Ive learned from using pultecs that if you want a tighter kick cut at 80, a bassier kick cut at 50. Cant go wrong

Thank you sir! I got some mistakes to fix RIGHT now.

Yeah I see this too often as well, people on about removing "mud" to make headroom on kicks and even their sub making the cut literally below 20hz 😂 when all they are doin is just shifting the phase of their low end. As long as you have a a good kick sample and nice smooth phase alignment between the kick and sub using a sidechain duck, then you don't need to worry about cutting out low end with a high pass. Just use an oscilloscope and line them up👌

Wow that's crazy I had no idea that was a thing. I wonder if for kicks you could still use a hard highpass but apply a subtle fade in to the kick

Interesting. I’m definitely going to trying this. Thank you.

If it makes it sound shit then it is wrong, however if it makes it sound good then it is correct. It is as simple as that.

Didn't know that! And I thought it's a good idea to aggressively cut out unwanted frequencies... have been doing it for years. Not anymore. Much obliged.

Had no idea, great to know. Thx!

I ALWAYS WONDERED WHY IT BOOSTED THE PEAK. THANJNYOU!!!!

That's why you need eliptical filters. They work a lot better on low end. 😛 Amazing stuff always Cableguys

I don’t usually use subtraction eqing on kicks, unless I’m trying to cut out some high end from the kick. Most of the time if a kick is getting me the sound I want I look for a different kick sample.

high shelf filters so underrated i wish i could teach a lesson

Regardless of shape, slope or aggressiveness, HP filtering a signal will change the time based waveform by definition. This, can indeed increase peak levels, in my experience of up to even 12dB! No linear or low phase shift EQ will help you there.

I agree I use shelves a lot and also rarely cut steep.

so this explained why my EQ was adding extra gain, found that out pretty recently (I have abletons EQ defaulted with a 25hz low cut)

Low shelf is such a game changer. I hardly ever use high pass filters anymore unless it’s on things with no bass whatsoever.

What visualization tool you are using for the kick?

Very interesting, I'll take note of this because I'm one of those "cut it all and give me space!!" Kinda producers 😅

Funny i accidentally stumbled upon this a few weeks ago didn’t know why it worked at the time but now i know :D

thanks for this tip

For kicks I usually use a soft clipper and same for 808s and snares

Thank you for this!!!!

Thank you so much

How about using a natural phase setting and still making an aggressive low cut. Will that be okay?

This is gold.

if you mix your kick and bass together to phase align them, I would use a low shelf on the group as well instead of on the individual channels. Unless ofc you compensate for the shift after applying EQ cuts.

What is that linear spectrum analyzer is named please ?

I don't change how the samples are, for example the kick/snares, if they are already processed to sound good, and because i don't have any kinda of decent monitors... I don't even think about mess my samples.

What is that Oscillator Waveform Viewer plugin that he's using?

Low shelf for the win

I like to exploit this sometimes to make acoustic snares or kicks have more synthetic, ringy fundamentals. Its not always bad! You can also use extraordinary steep slopes to purposely lengthen individual frequencies by causing them to ring out.

There are many better options than this. If your kick is too subby: Pick a different kick that isn’t Turn the whole kick down until the sub frequencies are the right volume and then layer a clicky sample on top to get that high end back. Saturate the kick so it has more mids/highs and turn down until sub frequencies are balanced. ADVANCED: create your own eq using serum. Play the root note of your kick for the length of your kick. Shape the envelope to match your kicks envelope. Turn off random phase. Open wavetable editor and mess with the phase of the fundamental frequency until it’s 180 degrees out of phase with the kicks fundamental. Now the more you turn up serum the more it will cancel out or turn down the fundamental of your kick. You can add more partials in the wavetable editor to do the same thing with other frequencies. Just adjust the phase and amplitude of any frequency you want to cut or boost. In phase to boost, out of phase to cut. This is essentially how an EQ works except you have all the control over which specific frequencies phase shifted and by how much. You can do this to any sound btw 🤪

Have anyone told you about FIR filters and linear phase filters?

Even a small adjustment to the kick start point can help.

Sometimes i want it to increase in peak by doing it then i compensate the volume fader

Wait what do you use to monitor the waveform? I’ve been looking for this for the longest time 😭

I noticed the same thing when removing all lows from my dirty snare, and it started clipping

Can't you apply a phase less filter though? If you don't have access to a phase less algo you can play in reverse and filter the reversed time history after you do it forward.

Absolutely. EQ8 4x is hindering so many productions. Stopped using it a while ago.

Good tip

I'm new to producing so i dont get it: why are we lowering the lows of the bass in the first place? Isn't bass supposed to kick the hardest in the lowend?

What oscilliscope are you using to monitor the kick’s waveform after eq has been applied?

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Honestly highpassing kicks or bass has been one of my go too tricks if I’m having phase alignment issues with kick or bass. Works more often than not in my case

People often say using linear phase will solve the phasing issues, which is true. However I wouldn’t use linear phase on a kick (or any transient-rich sound) because it induces pre-ringing which “announces” the sound so to say. You probably won’t consciously hear the pre-ringing but you will feel like the kick lost all of it’s power/impact for seemingly no reason

Out of curiosity - what is even the point of low-cutting kicks and sub basses? I've personally never done it

just sidechain lol.. I recently started use eq 8 on my kicks to SLIGHTLY remove some low end and then I put a compressor on my bass and sidechain to the kick.

Or just clip the kick after doing that. Adds some snap, which you can then tame in the highs if needed. Phase shift only really is an issue because you're shifting the bass into the transient.

does this also happens with analog gear? thanks

Also, nothing kills the warmth, fullness and "closeness" of a lead vocal (ie: a song's focal point) like high pass filtering "to make space" for other elements.

I don't know how much I buy "for more headroom" when so much audio is mastered as a rectangle these days, tbh

Best sound is 69db/octave but sometimes 420db/octave is required. Wait are we talking filters here or .... ?

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Linear phase filter might help

doesnt the linear phase option minimise that?

I high pass every mix at 20 hz and low pass at 20 kHz. I hardly ever high pass a kick unless it’s a super punchy high kick 💯

SUPER COOL

Thankyou

As an expert musician, production is still some arcane wizard shit.

Why would you high pass a kick apart from as an effect? Some kick samples sound amazing on their own, just with a bit of maximising.

Thankiea

this shit is so hard man

If you put linear phase?

Holy fuck I got Project Zomboid flashbacks second I heard the video

What are you using to see the waveform?

Remove the sub bass of everything except the kick and bass. (Sometimes I leave the sub bass on the snare because it makes it hit just a litttle be harder)

You create the best TickTocks ever!

or use linear and natural phase filters?

Is that the fuckin zomboid house alarm 🚨 n the beginning 😂

or you just use linear phase filters. preringing sounds nice anyway. or you just softclip after the filter. that sounds nice on transients anyway. there are a lot of ways to deal with it

6db per octave is a 90 degree phase shift, still detrimental to the low end. Low shelf or even better linear phase is the way.

-48db is a 360 rotation, worth it?

what's with that phase shift? how?

To fix the unwanted volume peaks while EQing, make sure to use linear phase within your EQ and you won’t have this issue.

Clip your kicks for headroom. Problem solved.

Who Hp with a 48db/oct ? Use a 6 or 12 … Deal with it later on in master to get the level up (more sub 30hz attenuation

I tried high oass and low pass and the song sounded more punchier

tbh it has almost nothing to do with phase shift (at least in a case of one low-order filter) but just simple resonance nature of high-order filters. First-order filter (6dB per octave) simply can't have that resonance

Use 2 eqs one hard and one soft hpf in sequence

All pass filter to the rescue!

Or just use harsh cuts, use your ears to see if the sound is ok, then use a clipper to make use of that saved headroom.

Wtf this just happened to me TODAY.

If you're hipassing to clean mud out and you can hear the filter, back it off!

What are "Headroom" and "Punch" ?

what oscilloscope is he using?

It's kind of funny that digital filters are still mimicking the effects of physical circuitry. Maybe there are filters that don't introduce phase shift--it's fully possible in a digital space.