Yes. Is best to be Bible based daily. Walk with Jesus. Faith not fear.

MsAnna, I feel the same and staying prayed up and ready for our saviors return, telling whoever will listen before it’s too late. He is at the door. Let us remain vigilant!

Iv never felt like I belonged here in a world I don't understand..I remember being 5 years old and questioned why am I here because I didn't want to be here but I had to grow up and experience the things I have so until I breath my last breath I'm here...till jesus takes me home God bless

Yes Amen.

You are right about that, this is one HELL of a ride.

Simply accept the free gift he paid for, eternal life and forgiveness of all your sins, past present, and future. “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” ‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Behold, the Kingdom of God is within you. Howbeit the Most High dwells not in temples made by hands. Christ in you, the hope of glory. 🕊️❤️🕯️

Hang on and keep running your race and dont fall short of the finish. Youre not alone and we're all striving, enduring, falling and getting back up to make the finish. We are told it'll be bad to worse but our hope is not in this world. So be it.. ps. Be prepared to have your faith tested with patience and endurance (Rev 13) I dont put stock in pretrib. pps. Might wanna change your avatar name. Unless its your actual name..yikes!

Be into God's Word.📖 Not into the world.🌏 Please See channel testimony!

You should be motivated during this time to utilize your God-given gifts and talents to help make as many disciples as possible Our Lord is coming soon! Let us please Him as the unworthy servants we are :)

Waiting for the rapture and turning from the world will earn you the crown of righteousness in heaven. Can’t remember which verse this was in but it’s in there. So I’d say you’re in the right track!

Sad?? What a day that will be!! I can’t wait and we won’t be sad anymore!!!

I am Pan-Tribulation... However it pans out ill be ready. I will trust in the Lord no matter what!

Simply accept the free gift he paid for, eternal life and forgiveness of all your sins, past present, and future. “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” ‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Yes Amen!

Amen brother. Keep that faith. Read revelations, we know we must endure till the end even when we are killed for love of him. Jesus is worth it ALL

I'm with you... I'm going to continue to pray for the best possible outcome and prepare for the worst possible scenario.

“Seek the Lord. All you humble of the land, who do his just commands. Seek righteousness, seek humility. Perhaps you may be hidden on the day of the anger of the Lord.” -Zephaniah 2:3 The above came to mind when I read your comment.

It is 2022 and boy does your absolute truth bomb hold even more weight now! I have never seen such a lack of humility in all of my life from so many "professing" Christians! So many have decided that they can piece together 5 second clips of others and then critique everything that THEY decide is wrong in their doctrine! And they develop a massive amount of followers who are more quick to defend their illustrious and narcissistic false accuser than they do sound doctrine! He is coming soon! Stay humble with humility and with hope; that blessed hope! Amen !

@@flman9684 ummmm you do know this was posted in 2021 and the comment is a year old Wow just Wow

Amen! I noticed that too! Praise God

It's always been worth more than diamonds. The arrogant and overconfident often humiliate and destroy themselves in the end. The humble admit to and understand their own faults, and usually avoid a similar fate.

Unless it's the elect's job to look out to not miss His high speed train.. it's what i get from Rev16:15. Thieves in the night (like one) do not come in lights. Is maybe our job to keep an eye out? Unless we got better things to do and we should chill back and wait for the news to report it! Can't find that verse in my Bible!

@@Achilleas7 the rapture time is not i say again is not a salvation issue.

We aren't saying going depends on which timing you believe, we are just saying the timing it happens and the non pre tribbers are the ones who yammer on about not getting it right and so forth.

@@Achilleas7 the news won’t have time to report it if you believe you’ll be among the raptured but if you’re thinking that you won’t, I suppose they’ll be reporting some reason for the missing.

Maranatha. Romans 10:9-10.

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Agreed!

Rev 13; its not Gods wrath we face but the devils and he is given authority to make war and prevail against.,who? How? When? Why?Read Rev 7:13 for instruction on how to get and wash your robe. Sorry sister, no spectors or box seats by airmiles to the apocalypse bowl. Which ends in a twinkling of an eye at the LAST trumpet, whistle, bell or shot, like everything else.. Its faith testing and loin girding time. For reallies..

Different Greek word for wrath than what is used in Revelation. The verse you quoted, look up the Greek word for wrath. It means damnation. The word for wrath in Revelation does not. Different word, different meaning. I grew up being taught pre-trib but it’s not biblical. Jesus said He comes after the tribulation in Matt 24 and Revelation talks about His coming at the end as well. It’s not complicated. Men have complicated Scripture trying to fit this false narrative.

Penny...Yes we are not here for God's wrath, but here's the rub, that's the last 3 1/2 year's of tribulation... only reserved for satan, and his demons..... The first 3 1/2 year's is the time of harvest..... amen.

The body of Christ is not appointed to God’s wrath and He will save us from it (1Thess 5:9). I think we must make the distinction between tribulation and wrath. Wrath is g3709. ὀργή orgē; from 3713; properly, desire (as a reaching forth or excitement of the mind), i.e. (by analogy), violent passion (ire, or (justifiable) abhorrence); by implication punishment: - anger, indignation, vengeance, wrath. Translated in the AV (36) - wrath 31, anger 3, vengeance 1, indignation 1; anger. Tribulation is g2347. θλίψις thlipsis; from 2346; pressure (literally or figuratively): a pressing, pressing together, afflicted(-tion), anguish, burden, persecution, tribulation, trouble. metaph: oppression, affliction, tribulation, distress, straits As in :John 16:21, Isa. 26:17; [Ps. 48:6; Isa. 13:8; 1 Thess. 5:3; Rev. 12:2] The body of Christ has been persecuted, as Jesus told the disciples, since the first century. Those faithful saints of the past have been fed to the lions, been fodder for gladiators, crucified, burned to death, subjugated to the inquisitors of Rome, purged by Stalin and Mao, beheaded in the Middle East, etc. “If they persecuted me, they will persecute you too”. “In the world, you will have persecution but be of good cheer. I have overcome the world”. If we use the synonymous meaning “persecution”, the “tribulation” passages take on a somewhat different perspective becoming a condition rather than a period of time. “Will Christians go through The Great Tribulation?” becomes “Will Christians go through The Great Persecution?”

@@Path2Product yes He comes at the end However during the rapture We Go Up Jesus doesn’t come down. God Bless you my friend 🤍🙏

I had one over a month and a half ago. I remember running through street alleyways and there was smoke and fire everywhere and the clouds were black and grey and I remember seeing a man and a woman turn to dust as the looked at the sky. I turned and ran and apparently I had this watch that led me to a safehouse where some of freinds and I were in there. I remember soldiers in blue trying to take me away at one point buy I ended up escaping and I was taking care of this little girl. In the end a giant creature with wings landed in front of us and before it attacked I woke up

@@samirpernell2136 my daughter and sister also had dreams of men in blue. My dreams were of a war coming. Saw the nationality of the invaders and they came right up to us before I woke up. What shade of blue in your dream?

We will be here “no one is left behind” you were seeing the tribulation period. We must endure unto the end, go through it. The bible is “very clear” man has twisted it to make a pre very sad

@@joshuahopping7013 yes God is always in control, peter said bind that which you have on earth and it will be in heaven with you, so we can only take other souls to heaven, so I prayed hundreds and hundreds of times to bind the ones I love souls to heaven, but God already knows the desires of my heart and Christ is the one upon the judgment seat, so have no fear for those you love, I thought about this and many people are under amnesia until Christ wakes them up from their slumber, remember majority of us as children used to pray to God all the time, and many people forget as the live their lives in sin so everything is going to be okay 👍

@@missycalhoun6319 army in blue might be UN soldiers. (most likely antichrist army) I had dream with good soldiers in red fighting evil soldiers in blue.

Read Matthew 24:29-30 , Jesus Christ said He will come after tribulation

There is no argument in Gods word when you understand it. Doesn't contradict, cause confusion or disorder. You say you were led, or this is what you wanted to hear? Looking for an easy way out? I don't think so. God's word tells you he will keep you from that hour of temptation through antichrist tribulation at the 666. We will ALL go through it. If you keep listening to this pre rapture stuff it will mislead you. Was Noah raptured? No he was not, but he was instructed by the Lord. In sodom and gomorrah, was LOT and his family raptured? No they were not, they were instructed on what to do. Preachers say that Enoch and Elijah were caught up therefore it was considered a rapture by God. They were not raptured. Just as Jesus was transfigured, Enoch and Elijah were special to God, He transfigured them so they wouldn't see death in the flesh. (Not even the Elect will be raptured, what makes us so special to be taken out of here.) We will not be transfigured but we will be changed, (key word) AT THE LAST TRUMP. 1 Corinthians 15:52. You want to call it a rapture, go a ahead, but it will not happen until the 7th trump. Have you read it. You said you asked God to lead you, ok, here you are, where do you go from here? Go study and find out for yourself. Quit listening to these wolves in sheep clothing. There's another flood coming and it's making a small appearance already. (2 Thessalonoans 2) This flood will be a flood of lies and deception. Have you read it? Stick to the word of God and don't be decieved by men. Check these men out and check me out for yourself as well. This rapture theory will decieve you. Start with "dispensationalism" and follow the leads. Scriptures don't lie, if it's contradicting, then obviously there's something wrong. 🙏🏼

@@robertoarriola-bustamante9169 the rapture and second coming are two different events

@@jaydubya7012 No they are not, you were taught that by men, you didn't read it. The disciples asked what would be the signs of his coming, he didn't say he would show up secretly then come again 7 years later that would be a 3rd coming. He said he would come *AFTER* Tribulation, he could not have been more clear. And in case it still isn't clear Paul says in 2 Thess 2:1-4 that the Man of Sin will come first. Pre-Trib was created in the 1800's nearly all the Early Church Fathers believed they would have to face the Anti-Christ and none taught pre-trib.

@@jaydubya7012 There are no two second comings of Christ. When confronted with scriptures showing only one second coming of Christ, the pre-trib rapture teachers resorted to a new teaching of a second coming of Christ split into two phases, separated by seven years. But that is still two separate comings of Christ.

Agreed. We have to endure to the end. The concept of rapture seems like cheating, IMHO.

Matthew 24: 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (ESV)

Context is king. Jews are the audience here. The Church didn't come into existence for another 10 or 20 years after this.

@@doncleveland1245 specifically, the audience was Peter, Andrew, James and John (Mark 13:3) privately.

Ezekiel 13:20 [20]Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.

@Wayne Snow, and where in the scriptures did you find any clear cut text supporting the pre-tribulation rapture???? You’ve gotta do allot of mental gymnastics and allot of eisegesis interpretation in order to get to a pre-trib rapture.

@@hereintranzit you can’t find it in the Old Testament and or the synoptic gospels because it’s not there . Paul told you that plainly when he said I tell you a secret/mystery . It wouldn’t be much of a secret if you could find it outside Paul’s epistles now would it . Paul tells you multiple times that Christ has already paid for you , your already his and he has already saved you from the wrath to come.

Prepping feels like an act of fear, an act of survival

@@hereintranzit have you changed your mind yet?

Woot woot

Daddys gonna be a bit late, but in time for the marriage supper and stop the total destruction of the house. At the LAST, not pre or mid trumpet. Last. Read Rev 7:13 and Rev 13:7. Then you will know to start practicing the patience and endurance of the saints...

You can get that poster?

@@saved6655 Yes you can get the poster...should be able to go to his website and order it..

Knarf Trakiul : Actually you have been lied to in direct opposition of everything written in the Bible. There is no separate rapture and second coming and what has been divided wrongly into two events to you is actually the very same event and you being told different parts of that same event namely specifically what happens earlier in the day and what happens finally at the end of that very same day and very same event. All the many churches and people who lied to you along the way were unaware that every single discussion of what you think of as "the rapture" or "the second coming" as you have incorrectly divided is actually marked with a special wording and key phrases in every single instanace without exception (more than 68 detailed references) which unknown to all these people directly declare the precise timing of the scriptures and full passages in question and in every case all of them declare the timing of those to be a few days AFTER the official final ending of the Great Tribulation and this also include among those the popular scripture taken from 1st and 2nd Thessalonians which even that also declares itself to of the timing and specifically what you call as a separate event of the "Second Coming" incorrectly even though in ignorance unaware many people try to apply those passages and others to a separate before the Tribulation "rapture" not realizing the details they missed right in front of them again and again and again ironically! Not only is the Bible far more detailed than most anyone realizes in regard to everything written being the same event, I have also first hand lived through it and because of this also already knows exactly how it all plays out and how that does indeed agree with the Bible even though most people unchanged mortal humans are unaware themselves what the Bible says right in front of them! In addition, because of my position the past number of centuries working for God, I and a number of others of God's changed immortal prophets from Heaven as well as the angels also are privy to what is decribed also in Amos 3:7 where each of us are also directly told how everything will play out. I just have the extra additional advantage of having additionally lived through to see all of it before I became what I became! Unfortunately your entire post regarding the "rapture" and the "second coming" being separate events is all entirely a lie that has pulled you into more darkness and deception than you realize and with it has set you on a path which only leads away from God and Bible both and more dangerous than you could ever begin to realize until it is all far too late and you end up lost in darkness unaware unless you choose to find your way back before time runs out for you in this matter which incidentally will be in just a little time longer than five years from the time of this post which is not that far ahead in your future and a much longer way in my past! --(John 21:18-24; Revelation 1:9 & 10:5-11:3; Amos 3:7; and Hebrews 13:2 which also well applies as well)

@ Knarf, Yes, so the question is *when* does Christ return in the clouds, the resurrection and then the rapture? Jesus and Paul clearly answer this question in Matthew 24 and 2 Thessalonians 1-6 but AMERICAN Christians don’t want to believe it.

@@newrevelations3785 you need to break this much type into 3 and 4 short sentence blocks, hard to read.. None of the Lord's disciples agreed on much, the Lord forgives them for they do not know , be patient,, The Lord of Host appears in heavenly clouds filling the sky, mid tribulation perhaps, and draws in the 144,000 into his body. below team Satan and team god bless-America will be at war but God will approve no side more than the other, for both are worldly. with the 144,000, the dead below will also rise and rise first with the resurrection of the two witnesses who are Adam and Eve, forming the a great Pillar of light, and then forming the Tree of Souls which is the Lord's missive realized Heavenly body. Which with the help of separate 'twinflame' pillars, will cover the sky and form the True vine of the Lord's light. Then New Heaven and New Earth will begin to form, where the Lord's light fills the upper sky and with no more sun or moon. And the New Earth will be flattened out with super natural forests covering the whole earth and with no Mountains and no seas. and we have bodies of heavenly light without flesh and clothes of seamless linen. The stars will be below and all those who are in dedication to the truth and in levels below some will be as though they don't exist anymore and will be un-seeable, far below. Tell me the Prophecy that you believe you've received and I will as well. I've seen a lot.

@@newrevelations3785 your whole set of paragraphs is overwritten by us "being caught up to the air where we will be with him forever". I don't know how people confuse that part, you don't need any context, we literally fly up into the sky and are with Jesus, what is confusing about that verse? What do you think we don't fly up to meet him? The verse doesn't need other verses to back it, it says we are caught up to meet him in the air. Why spend all day trying to pretend that doesn't happen?

@@CursedInEternity92 Indeed, and as I wrote above the only question is when. Clearly from the Scripture, the mid trib post Abomination return of Christ in the clouds is not the same event as the end of trib return of Christ for Armageddon.

He will gather them then also, remember that the world is filled with believers who came to Christ during the tribulation. He'll be gathering people all over the world for the separation of the sheep and the goats judgement.

He didnt ignore it. He covered it.

I believe the rest is… from one end of HEAVEN to the other. HEAVEN! He is gathering the elect from all over Heaven!

The elect are the Jews not the church.

Those who don't take the mark of the beast, I believe. ??? Who have been told but didn't believe/repent before the Rapture. Possibly???

Tribulation saints!

There is no rapture.

They are the 144,000 God's elect.

A men

jakeboynz : I can tell you with 100% absolute certainty and with the full direct authority and backing of both the Bible and God himself personally face to face verbally and literally that contrary to everything you wrote in your post unaware, all upon the Earth at the time will indeed be going through the "Great Tribulation" and you are far closer to that than you realize as well! There is absolutely no pre-tribulation rapture and everything you have been taught in that regard is unfortunately extremely anti-Biblical, far removed from the truth and actual events which occurred and here in this time in the past where you are at shall happen again as it did before! More than this though, you need to realize that you are already fallen deeply to deception and darkness unaware by your own words and not only is the Tribulation not what you believe it to be having absolutely nothing to do with God or His Wrath either. You have much to learn but fortunately do have the time needed provided you do not use what you have been given here as an excuse to procrastinate and waste the few years still remaining! Do you have faith enough and strength enough to re-learn all you thought you once knew and by free will have wisdom enough to seek the truth? --(John 21:18-24; Revelation 1:9 & 10:5-11:3; Amos 3:7; and Hebrews 13:2)

@@newrevelations3785 repent of your own deception dude.

@@davidchupp4460 he is not being deceiving. There is very little evidence of a rapture. even if there was rapture. The Bible is designed so we wouldn't know it 🙄. God reveals more and more as we draw closer. That's why God is told Daniel to shut up the book. I've done some research about the rapture. if it were true. Which it could "possibly" be because nothing's impossible . With God . That also implies that God changes. there was no rapture for Noah. Nor was there a rapture at Sodom and Gomorrah. Most denominations that believe in it. A lot of their members might not go. Their own words. They speak of God spewing lukewarm Christians out of God's Mouth. Which means you have to be walking in obedience. Fornicators would be left behind. Just my two cents

@@denniscosban6145 you are wrong my friend both Noah and people at Sodom and Gomorrah were indeed raptured from the wrath that got through at both

See you at the marriage supper of the Lamb

@John Hill I believe the Great falling away & the Secret Rapture is similar to a hand to glove.

The falling away is the rapture!

@@forhisglory700 What does "hand to glove" mean?

The septuigint which came before the KJV states that "that day shall not come except the come a departure first". That was encouraging for me!

@@dnlcast2 it means they fit like a hand fits a glove 🥰

Ezekiel 13:20 [20]Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.

I notice this idea is repeated alot, if Noah and his family were all righteous people where did sinners come from if they all drowned in the flood? At the moment the rapture ends there will be zero saints on the earth, so during the next few days some people after seeing / hearing things will believe just like the centurion at the tomb of Christ. Those new believers will be ...... saints.

People no longer want sound doctrine but love those that preach what their ears want to hear

The saints being the messianic jews left to preach the gospel to the world

The movie Before The Wrath is Awesome!

Another point is that the spring feasts were fulfilled in order and on the feast days, then Pentecost was the birth of the church, and the fall feasts have yet to be fulfilled literally. Anyone who rejects a pre-trib rapture of the Bride has the feast of atonement being fulfilled before the feast of trumpets which is out of divine order.

That is the 5 months of hell on earth that god shows the world a taste of hell so too speak coughs out our air with sulphur smoke makes our watet bitter too show he is god in charge so too speak air and water are two most things we need too live

Initially they were not believers, therefore not raptured....then became believers during the tribulation is how I understand it.

I was told some people will get saved after the Rapture and that scripture references that ..not sure ...i was always taught pretribulation rapture

Those were the 144,000 that John saw, out of the 12 tribes of Israel.

They’ll be many new believers. There are 144K evangelists & angels preaching.

I hear you but remember they can be saved especially when us as parents suddenly disapear, then they will know and understand what we were trying to tell them all along, the Truth of Jesus Christ, just make sure to tell them what God leads you to tell them, His Word is True and that He loves them. as in this life, our children(adult ones) have learned from the things we as parents warned them against as children,and so as adults they will KNOW what to do when we are no longer here. Keep Praying for them in Jesus Mighty Name

The last trump is not the 7th trumpet. Major difference between the a trump and a trumpet. This was common knowledge during the times of the Roman Empire.

Amen

@@jonmabi3608 trump and trumpet are the same word...look it up in the concordance

@@jonmabi3608 The last trump is a trumpet played in a series. You need to read the original Greek...find someone that can if you can't. Paul clearly states that the rapture will not take place until the last trumpet (IN A SERIES). There is no other place in the bible where it has a series of trumpets......or trumps. That said, there is also significant evidence to support a Pre-Trib as well, but nothing suggests DIRECTLY that will happen. But Paul was as direct as possible when he said that. Where people get hung up, is that they think the whole Tribulation is a judgement on Man. The judgement on Man happens during the second half. The first half is the judgement on the Earth. Nothing suggests that we will be spared of the judgement of the Earth. Also, the antichrist is not REVEALED until the second half. Yes, he will be on TV as a great man of peace that helps Israel, and MOST Christians and nearly all Jews will like him, but he is not revealed as the antichrist until he proclaims himself God.

Agreed, except that the last trumpet is blown at the end of the first half (the middle), before the Great Tribulation. I also believe there is a possibility of a pre-trib, but the evidence for a mid-trib is much stronger and more direct than the pre-trib theory. This may have been intentional to further thwart us from trying to nail down a specific time for the rapture.

Facts! Me too. Sept 23rd 2022

At the rapture, the church is taken up to meet Him IN THE AIR. This is NOT His second coming. At His second coming He comes to the earth where His feet touch the mount of Olives and where every eye will see Him. They are two separate events. At the rapture He comes FOR the saints, at the second coming He comes WITH the saints.

What gets me is people argue about it but the Bible says we will meet Jesus in the air when he returns , so I think people are reading too much into things or putting their own spin on it because we are told to endure , I was always taught pre-trib , but I think people take things out of context , the main thing is Be ready .

But then wouldn't the "tribulation" be for those trying to swim.

it's always the people who are not doing much that want to leave work early. cant we discipline some satanists in the meantime? they should do a video about that.

Noah was left on the earth to endure in faith during the destruction. He wasn’t magically removed from the earth.

I think we must look to Noah and the events of the Bible as a whole. Time is not how we see it.

Nope, sorry you got all twisted up here. The Bible clearly says the dead in Christ will rise first then we are alive and remain will be caught up with him That means that the ones that are living will be taken immediately after the ones that have fallen asleep in Christ then the tribulation will begin and everyone else that is left who finds Jesus during the tribulation. They will have their head's cut off for not accepting the mark of the beast and there will also be believers that survive. So again the rapture will not contain the people who did not accept Christ before the tribulation begin The people who find and accept Jesus once the tribulation has started will go through the tribulation and either survive it or have their heads cut off for not taking the mark

Lol

read luke watch and pray to escape the things to come

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I’d love to talk more about the process on your panel, both practical in how you create your art, and the process our Heavenly Father has brought you through as a Pastor/teacher. I am currently and have been going through some interesting times in my walk as a believer and an artist. Interesting how God has always used art to get my attention… God bless you and yours brother.

Sadly, Mr. Pearl misrepresents what the bible teaches about the second coming[rapture] let me show you from Gods word teaches. Thess 4.... Paul clearly taught the second coming and rapture are the same event... First let me ask you did you ever wonder why he said we meet Jesus in the clouds rather than heaven? lets turn to sound scripture for the answer.Job 14:12 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep.2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the next heavens will pass away with a roar.Now Paul says in 1 Thess 4....Concerning the Lord’s visible, physical return, the apostle Paul tells us, “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then WE which are alive and REMAIN shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Where did it say we return to heaven, how could we if heaven is destroyed Maybe we need to turn to scripture; Pattern Jesus like he said and everything else lines up; Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. Pattern; 1-Jesus leaves earth 2-Jesus in the clouds 3-Jesus goes into heaven Pattern 1-Jesus leaves heaven 2-Jesus meets us in the clouds 3-Jesus brings us to earth When Jesus comes [once] after the trib and wrath the heavens will be no more; .2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the next heavens will pass away with a roar Why the meeting in the clouds, heaven is destroyed according to Job. NO ONE HAS SHOWN ONE VERSE THAT TEACHES WE GO TO HEAVEN IF WE ARE ''RAPTURED''

@@e.garcia618 John 14 v 2:3.

@@e.garcia618 You have no need to express all those scriptures. What you shared was supporting scriptures that may be confusing for some. Start with the common verse about this topic. 2 Thes 4:15-27 we which are alive UNTO the coming of the Lord... The Dead in Christ shall rise FIRST. THEN we which are alive will be caught up. the dead are raptured FIRST. THEN the few alive at that time are raptured second. There is an order. First the dead, THEN the living, as 1 cor 15:23 says. Christ the firstfruits; AFTERWARD they that are Christ's AT HIS COMING. Even John Chapter 6:37-52 EMPHASISES When this will happen: At the LAST DAY. So If the dead are raised FIRST, and the dead are raised on the Last Day, then there can be NO pre-trib rapture of the living ! E. Garcia, Share a pre-trib rapture person these scriptures. They cannot be refuted.

True at the end not before the end. In fact even after the dead are raised. So can’t be pre trib.

@@e.garcia618 You mentioned Job 14,12 So man lieth down (dies)and rises not (phisically on earth) till the heavens be no more. Note it says Heaven"s" that is to say, Heaven on earth, the sky, and the Kingdom itself, will be as one when the Lord has restored it (New Heaven earth ) Today there is a separation of Heaven and earth with Jesus bridging the gap. That's my interpretation of that particular verse anyway. I'm not a scholar or teacher, you just sparked a querie in me because I believe in a pre trib rapture myself a return of the bride groom for the bride, like the pattern of actual marrige process in Israel. The Groom would request the daughters Dad for the daughters hand and pay a price. Then the son would go back to his father's house to prepare a place for himself and his new bride. Then returns to fetch his bride Thought I'd share you may not agree and that's your choice. Also what about the scripture that says, To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

Michael Gibson grace to you is a good channel too. He talks like a history teacher, but it's good.

I enjoy Adrian Rogers, A.W. Tozer, Chip Ingram?, Dr. David Jeremiah, and Tony Evans also. Not that I agree with them 100% but not on salvation issues. Great teachers.

Have no fear, my family thinks im crazy too, let them know what to do after your gone with Jesus,and they can accept it or keep rejecting Jesus, Prayer is the best thing we can do. and leave them notes so they understand what has truely happened, those notes and Bibles will lead them to make the right decisions.

Here we are a year later and u were so right!

Amen! Blessing and love

If the 2nd coming and rapture are SEPARATE events, then there is a 3rd coming, which there is NOT! He is twisting scripture. 2 Thessalonians 2 says the day of the Lord AND our gathering together into him are the same day… it will not happen until AFTER the antichrist is revealed. 1 Thessalonians 5 the Day of the Lord will be like a THIEF IN THE NIGHT. It go on to say we will not be under Gods WRATH, but Gods WRATH, is not the same as tribulation.

AMEN!!!

Think you might learn from Mikayla Kooper here on KZfaq. She believes not in Pre-Trib but in Post-Trib.

Spot on

It's actually quite easy. Just because the church isn't mentioned, doesn't mean it has been raptured away. We are hearing from John who is telling us what he has seen. We must endure to the end. Matthew 10:22.

Many people will be expecting a pretrib rapture only for the antichrist to come and deceive them. Jesus said there will be a great falling away of faith most likely do to this pretrib idea