Why I choose the Say Mak self contained air hammer

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5 жыл бұрын

Once you chose which big ticket item you are going to buy, whether its a power hammer or a new car, everyone wants to know why you didn't buy the one they would have bought. So in todays video, I try to clarify the things i found important in my decision.
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@ChristCenteredIronworks 5 жыл бұрын

You got a good woman there John! Gotta love it when the boss gives you the go ahead :-)

@robertkatekaru887 5 жыл бұрын

What a wonderful detailed explanation on choices. A partnership in tune and always full of positive encouragement and understanding extols one of the great qualities in a relationship.

@bentoombs 5 жыл бұрын

Can't wait to see it up and running. That's how I got my blacksmith shop. It was something I have always wanted to do. My better half said build it. From scratch

@brysonalden5414 Жыл бұрын

I am trying to decide whether to buy a Say Mak or an Anyang, and this video was very helpful. I guess I've already decided I am going to get a power hammer; if you'd told me five years ago I would own a hydraulic press AND a power hammer I'd have laughed pretty hard. Thank you!

@hosiercraft9675 5 жыл бұрын

God bless your wife, and you also. Love the videos keep em coming.

@mikemeinders6717 5 жыл бұрын

I have been married to my wife for 47 years she supports me in all my projects. I would love to have that hamer in my shop but I don't have the room. YET.

@krustysurfer 5 жыл бұрын

Happy Wife Happy Life! glad you two see eye to eye and say thanks to the wife for sharing you with the world! thanks for all your time and videos! blessings and aloha

@loftsatsympaticodotc 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for all your complete thoughts here on other hammers. As the bankrupt James C. (US 'Striker' importer) 9:00 originally told me- "you're our Canadian dealer and for the rest of the world as far as I'm concerned". He disappeared and we lost our distribution, after promoting and translating Striker literature; his distribution into USA of the re-named Chinese source was also chopped off (financial problems, we learned). One knowing fellow told me: the reason your Strikers are better is because of the better quality of iron produced in that part of China. We had less porosity in castings, less oil seepage etc. than Anyangs, and so they most always outperformed Anyang throughout our years of distribution. Machineco, Montreal.

5 жыл бұрын

It does help when your wife is also a Black Smith.

@jeffreyquinn3820 5 жыл бұрын

Not many couples can say they have His and Hers power hammers.

5 жыл бұрын

And his and her forges.

@captainfancypants4933 5 жыл бұрын

Your wife is a definite keeper!

@BlackBearForge 5 жыл бұрын

That I already knew

@lenblacksmith8559 5 жыл бұрын

CAn't wait to see the Say Mak in action

@DavoShed 5 жыл бұрын

Shit I forgot my safety glasses! I was waiting for the reminder. Don’t break with tradition 🤠 My wife is pretty good when it comes to work shop purchases. Sounds like yours is fantastic. I have a system of “Brownie Points” Keep them happy and they keep you happy. Another enjoyable video. No power hammer for me for a while but I did fix my anvil to a stump last weekend 🤠

@JF-fx2qv 5 жыл бұрын

In this video John shares why he married the women he did. He also shares why you could find yourself sleeping on the couch.

@HereticalBuilder 5 жыл бұрын

I'm just trying to get a new anvil, and my wife can't understand how a big lump of steel can cost so much. A power hammer is a distant dream at this point. Nevertheless, I can take vicarious joy in your purchase! Love your videos!

@jetblackstar 5 жыл бұрын

I asked Mr GF what purchases she felt were excessive or unnecessary (we were having an open conversation about finances). She said my Gransfor bruks splitting axe, when I already had one of their axes (the small forest axe). *sigh* I think I have some esplaining to do :)

@DavidKirwanirl Жыл бұрын

Lucky man to have such a great wife

@Tiger2000Lion2005 5 жыл бұрын

I purchased this same hammer and after extensive use it has proven to be an amazing workhorse. It’s more powerful then I could have imagined easily taking care of 3inch round bar stock. I too did extensive research on the forums and Anyang and Say mak have excellent customer service. James at Anyang is very responsive. Helmut at Say mak has been tremendous though. His personal touch in delivery and setup was truly unparalleled. As was mentioned I have never heard anyone regret the Say Mak. All of our blacksmith schools in the area use them day in and day out under heavy use. Watch the extensive videos on their use and inner workings. Helmut continues to improve these hammers. Contact me if you have questions. This hammer is a beast and extremely well built.

@BlackBearForge 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, after 1 week I wonder how I ever got by without it.

@dicksargent3582 5 жыл бұрын

You've made a good choice. I ran the blacksmithing department at a craft school for ten years and purchased a Say-Mac for use there. It worked flawlessly. If you want test equipment for durability a craftschool is the Aberdeen testing ground for forge tools.

@BlackBearForge 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, so far I have only heard from one person that doesn't like the SayMak and I am pretty sure he doesn't actually own one.

@klkkylekin5948 5 жыл бұрын

Awesome

@voodoo8796 5 жыл бұрын

I just put my SPH 50 in my shop last night, Damn good hammer. It's an earth shaker. I lucked out and found it seven miles from my house by random luck. Helmut has been really helpful with info and ideas even though mine is 13 years old. Brent Bailey actually sent me a text with a picture of you testing out the hammers. I hope it works well for you, I'm going to have to anchor it down because it's walking to the left in my shop. These hammers are really really sweet. Glad yours is working out.

@BlackBearForge 5 жыл бұрын

Mine should be here in about a week.

@BlackMuttForge 5 жыл бұрын

I have both a Saya, predecessor to Say-Mak and a Striker, both great hammers though the Saya is a bit more controllable. You’re going to love it. On a side note, James Johnson with Anyang USA is just a phenomenal guy and extremely service oriented.

@BlackBearForge 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@andrewlarson7558 5 жыл бұрын

If you ever get a chance have Mark Krause do a retrofit on your Say Mak. You will love it twice as much.

@ianlowe4666 5 жыл бұрын

For mechanical's I love the Little Giant, well tuned they're just so gutsy, for the self contained it's Massey, although Beche run a close second for me. Khun had a great reputation at one time and the few of those I've used were good workhorses, so the Say Mak will stand or fall on build quality over design. Anyang's are based on Massey's if I remember rightly (and John at Massey has helped them with their designs on some of the newer stuff) and I've used a few of their models, they were all pretty good after they'd been properly fettled. If you can find a good 'old' power hammer that's the one to grab though, it's already outstripped a two or three year guarantee by a factor of ten, likely to do so a few more times. All that said, you get what you can given what you have and make the best of it. Hope it works out well for you

@Loan--Wolf 5 жыл бұрын

im shure it helped her being a blacksmith as well

@chrisjones6002 5 жыл бұрын

That reminds me of the video that was going around of the power hammer gently closing a box of matches. The once it closes it they go nuts and crush the box.

@BlackBearForge 5 жыл бұрын

I have seen that and will try a similar test once I get a feel for the hammer.

@chrisjones6002 5 жыл бұрын

@@BlackBearForge I'd love to see it. I don't know why but that video cracks me up.

@TomokosEnterprize 5 жыл бұрын

Wonderful ! So when do we get to see your new toy my friend. Great descriptive video fella !

@BlackBearForge 5 жыл бұрын

2 - 3 weeks

@Dominic.Minischetti 5 жыл бұрын

I can’t wait to see this hammer installed! Have you thought about what will be the first project you are going to use it on?

@BlackBearForge 5 жыл бұрын

The first uses will be simple projects to learn my way around the hammer

@michaelvaughn2287 3 жыл бұрын

Now we know why you married her ! Smart man .

@billwoehl3051 3 жыл бұрын

Renewable energy? Check out HHO (A.K.A. Browns gas, water sperated into hydrogen and oxygen by electrolysis), made on demand, can separate the two gasses, HHO seems to burn at whatever temp the material needs, can run any internal combustion engine (gas or diesel), let it flow through the substrate out of a catylitic converter and it will get over 1200°F without a flame (as long as you can keep it from backflashing or keep it from lighting the nozzle aimed into the substrate, the refractory wool could work for the seperation between the nozzle and substrate, a regular mechanical flashback arrestor doesn't close fast enough to stop an HHO backflash so I would experiment with a Tesla one-way valve) so heating using substrate needs some experiments to figure out a safe way to do it.

@billiejohns6270 Жыл бұрын

the air delivery system from cylinder 2 cylinder, piping about 1 inch and it uses rubber hose. it's the only problem I have had with my hammer. The rubber hoses split and they leak air, it is a bad design, I have purchased the inyang hammer st 40kg❤, it runs a lot better and hits a lot harder than my say mac 60

@kenbultman8670 2 жыл бұрын

I want your little giant, I will drive down there to get it

@forge52100 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info, and one reason I'm leaning towards the Say Mak. That said, I've got a question on the die retention. Was watching a video of Tom Clark demoing the say mak, video #4 around the 8:40 mark the sow block came loose. Now he "fixed" this by putting a pin in a bolt how to stop it from coming completely out if it got loose again. From listing to him it was the fault of the key being just a bit off. Has Say Mak added anything for die retention? That's one thing that's got me thinking of the Anyang, as they've got keepers in their dies. Not that it'd be a deal breaker, just something to learn to watch for, and I might be worrying for nothing.

@BlackBearForge 5 жыл бұрын

I have seen that video and remember that he said it was the only time he had seen that happen. So I suspect it isn't a big worry, but it does pay to check the die keys for tightness regularly. Hammers with dovetails and wedges have been the normal system for most of the hammers out there, so they seem pretty reliable.

@forge52100 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I figured I was probably overthinking it, or worrying about nothing as even on my little 50 pound tire hammer I regularly check everything.

@wadestewart9891 5 жыл бұрын

is the say mac a single or three phase motor that might be a big selling point for most

@BlackBearForge 5 жыл бұрын

That is a good point that I should have mentioned. It is available in either option. The 60kg is a 7 1/2 HP motor. I ordered the single phase option, it should pull about 34 amps.

@rolandoacano1967 5 жыл бұрын

Did you ever try a KA75 hammer? and if you did what is your opinion?

@BlackBearForge 5 жыл бұрын

Not much, but I did get to see one in action at a conference. Nice little machines for what they are. I almost bought one once. But ended up with the bull hammer instead. They only have single blow capability, both and advantage and disadvantage.

@sdcb27 5 жыл бұрын

I need to know if yo0u have a daughter with same attitude, thanks!

@cypherian9821 5 жыл бұрын

Unload via SKID STEER ;) So how long before you try the crack the egg control test?;) Definitely a good woman there to tell you do it !

@BlackBearForge 5 жыл бұрын

More than double the tip over rating for the skid steer I'm afraid

@cypherian9821 5 жыл бұрын

@@BlackBearForge I was guessing max on it was 4k but no idea . So going to get a rotator in to lift and place or machine skate it in once on the ground.

@BlackBearForge 5 жыл бұрын

off road forklift and pipe rollers

@jetblackstar 5 жыл бұрын

I'll give you a month or two of practice but I REALLY want to see you try the egg crack test. :D

@BlackBearForge 5 жыл бұрын

I was afraid I would have to put my money where my mouth is.

@voodoo8796 5 жыл бұрын

I'm tempted to take this challenge on. My Say Mak can literally tap a corner of a 2x4 with no marks. I may give this a shot.

@danielmoss2089 5 жыл бұрын

I agree with all your points but I'm not sure I would be rushing out to buy a say mak! Anyang always does a Delivery inspection on delivery with a set up and also there is a 3 Year warranty. also John at BS Massey forging UK has worked very closely with angyang along with several other smiths to get the hammers running really slick. I also believe mmcc (another chines hammer) ships to the USA and come in about £3000-4000 ($5000-6000) for a 55kg two part hammer plus import and delivery from the dock as shipping to the dock is free. Maybe we're luck in the UK but I wouldn't buy a sahinler nor a say mak (made in the same factory i Believe). The sahinler at the blacksmith college is constantly broken and is about as controllable as donkey; if you kick hard it works! Sorry to play devil's advocate but not my first choice. I would have wait and brought a nazel. Sorry really believe the age of good power hammers is gone.

@jimhumphrey 5 жыл бұрын

It's spelled Anyang, even in the UK I believe.

@jetblackstar 5 жыл бұрын

@@jimhumphrey THank you both for wrighting Anyang, I was listening carefully to John to try and figure out how you might spell it lol

@jeffreyquinn3820 5 жыл бұрын

The age of really high quality metal machinery, from typewriters to sewing machines to printing presses to power hammers, is pretty much gone. The primary market for a lot of the Chinese equipment is, of course China. (I believe a lot of it is used for repairing and making new parts for all those assembly lines to make things for export.) I lived there for a couple of years in the late 90's. The price of repairing equipment in China is very low compared to the cost of high quality steel. Most of this range of light industrial equipment ends up in semi-rural areas, where a skilled repairman can make a decent living on well under USD$5/hr, A lot of the owners or employees who work on this equipment grew up on farms and are fairly handy fixing all kinds of small machinery. I'm not sure about the situation in Turkey, but I suspect they have a similar situation supporting the oil & shipping industries in that region.

@jeffreyquinn3820 5 жыл бұрын

And for the sake of curiosity, the letter 'A' in Mandarin is generally pronounced like the vowels in "aha!" Brian gets it pretty close.

@mickdog2 5 жыл бұрын

ergonomically it doesn't look comfortable. Looks like it's a little too low for you, and the treadle is too high.....But I'm probably wrong. I'm enjoying the remodel series.

@billwoehl3051 3 жыл бұрын

See, even your wife knows, bigger hammer, less time hammering, smart woman, just think how much time per project that extra 20# will save you, which transfers to a pay raise, pay raise make up the difference in price between it and the smaller hammer. Being a couple years ago, probably halfway through the difference in price already 🤔👍

@ronaldkirby9299 5 жыл бұрын

It's sad that u have to explain why u decided to buy a hammer

@BlackBearForge 5 жыл бұрын

I don't think I have to explain, I think people are curious as to the thought process that goes into the decision.

@ronaldkirby9299 5 жыл бұрын

@@BlackBearForge that probably the case

@5x535 2 жыл бұрын

I, for one, was very much interested to listen through Johns' entire thought process and all of the hows and whys behind why he decided to go the way he did. Until you play with all of these machines for a while it doesn't seem like a person can come to any kind of an informed decision. it is a little sad that I missed this video. It might have helped me, but maybe not too. My lack of experience drove me to put one hit control near the top of the priority list as I chose to go with an MZ75. As I wait for the concrete base to cure, it is hard to be patient. One thing I am certain of--- it is going to be a good long while before I attempt to crack an egg.