Great point.

No, it's not. It's neither a good game nor is it a good sequel and if it weren't for the fame of guild wars 1 it was riding on, it would have faded into obscurity right after its release.

This is so correct it hurts. If GW2 had the same or improved systems that GW1 had (class system, GvG, Hall of Heroes) I would have never played anything else. Instead we got an unfinished PvE and story focused MMO, where the personal story bugged out if you where unlucky and the endboss was a joke. Same for the loot. When my story bugged out I stopped caring about the story, the PvE had shit loot and shit bosses, so no reason to care about that. Not even gonna get into the early banwaves and all that shit. The writing was on the wall. I even gave the game another chance later on. Did a couple fractals and then realized how bad that systems was as well. Unless you just want to run around an expansive world and "do stuff" like in FarCry games, without anything to hold your attention long term, GW2 isn't worth even trying out.

i played guild wars 2 a lot, but i wish i played gw1 instead. Since i'm a heavily PVP player and gw2 just didn't offer that good risk vs reward pvp gameplay.

Yeah, Azure's right. My biggest gripe about the transition from Warcraft 3 to WoW was that we've never gotten another RTS in the setting, and it seems pretty unlikely we ever will.

I can complete all the achievements in wow only if I'm the most dedicated and unemployed player in the world :D

@NihilisticEntropy $15 a month isn't worth it if you can't invest a certain amount of time.

Exactly. Well put. Same.

@Blue Rose yeah im often disgusted with the content in other mmo's. None of them have any sort of responsibility or ethics to not waste your fucking time. I think most mmo's boil down to padding out their pve to be a long pointless, storyless grind to endgame, and endgame a long frustrating sparse with lore story or context grind to gear and currency to buy more gear. At least in gw2 the gear gap isn't drastic and the grind is not only optional, but its clever and entertaining the entire time. The make or break for other mmo's is social interaction, which is why they have no choice but to double down on pvp and endgame dungeons and raids, because the base game is garbage and unrewarding. they are learning, but i dont see much improvement in the modern mmo scene. even ESO with its rpg first world design and voice acting is full of really garbage quests and uninspired level design. i say that as a TES fan.

"I also hate PvP with a passion, that might be a small part of it. Can't even consider playing games like LoL, or anything resembling battle Royale." Weak.

He is far from alone. GW2 PVP is absolute garbage. And your TL:DR is incorrect . @14:09

Liquidrider I could add more, but than it wouldn't be a TL;DR.

TL;DW ;)

@@steveaguilar9833 maybe he is just bad at it =p

@@liquidrider came here to also say, GW2 pvp is absolute trash ass garbage, worst pvp gameplay ive ever played EVER

People still play it

Looser, Gw2 is way better in every sense.

@@baddragonite bots do yes

hope CU will be the next

GW1 was the best of the best. Started in the closed beta and I could tell even then...it was awesome. And when it actually launched it did not disappoint. Well, unless of course you rolled with the premade "SpellSlasher" LOL!! Remember that terribad build?

TERA, silkroad online

@@christose9247 you said TERA as a joke right? Because it was so awful that mentioning it wkth GW1 is the joke, rjght?

no @@juggmkj it is the best pvp of any multiplayer videogame fact: classic TERA is the highest form of esport

All of the "Why I don't play" videos have tremendous dislike ratios. It's really kind of pathetic actually how personally offended some people on the internet get when someone doesn't like something they like. Especially since he didn't say the game was 'bad' like many other youtubers do. _cough nostalgia critic cough_

Cows go moo, ducks go quack, mmo players go "the pvp is unbalanced ". Seriously though, unless you overcentralize (and not even then, both lol and csgo still have useless or op champions/gear) a game on pvp it can NOT be balanced. Especially not for everyone. Some strats are broken when the enemies don't know how to counter them (i.e. low elo) while others are broken when those doing them know their shit (i.e. high elo). It's blatantly impossible to make pvp balanced, best you can do is make it as fun as possible.

@@chukyuniqul yea the problem with PvP in this type of game is it's meant to be rewarding to play an agregious amount, and as a result the most hardcore players not only know the strategies better and have more experience but also have better gear because they've been rewarded (justifiably so I would argue) for their time commitment. So even in an arena where it's all hardcore players, the ones who have invested the most time have an advantage, and it's therefore unbalanced. This is also true with survival games with consistent servers like ark, rust and Conan. If you don't have the time and manpower/hours as your opponent, you're often going to lose, regardless of strategy, meta, preparation etc. Even in the most popular mmo WoW the PvP has been and continues to be unbalanced simply because it's a well known fact that the Horde has more hardcore PvP players and better PvP results, so PvP on alliance is either made up of martyrs of the hardcore community or casuals like myself who just want a break from the grind, which leads to constant defeat and a feeling of unbalance. I played WoW since vanilla and remember the same sentiment and understanding in the community then.

@@sgtjohnson49 have you played gw2? There's no difference in gear, you can create a new account and defeat pro level players if you have good enough skill in pvp. It's completly different from wow.

@@paulgotik yes I've played GW2, everything I said about time commitment is still valid. You can make a new character, join PvP and be max lvl, and have no idea how to use any of those abilities, or even what they do, let alone how to use them effectively.

because you're a casual gamer, gw2 is garbage compared to gw1

@VoxPixels because it fucks the identity of the game up, the game becomes more casual and loses its essence and what made it great in the first place. It's like Diablo 3, it's a shitty diablo game and a far cry from what diablo 2 was.....but the casuals dont know any better

@@Hawkhunter07 Guild wars 2 has its own identity that is different from other MMOs and from guild wars 1. I'm sorry that you don't like Guild Wars 2 because it's not Guild Wars 1, but seriously grow the fuck up. There is nothing wrong with being casual as games are meant to have fun. For most if not all MMOs "hardcore players" simply means teenagers with infinite amount of time to waste, doesn't even require any skills, just time to waste grinding x item.

Extra storage Quick LFG tab Future plans: - guild and alliance driven WvWvW (will no longer be server based)

ranked spvp is just another way for me to gear up for pve. I really hope to see 10 v 10 some day. Nerdslayer makes a great point too, there's no reason why gw2 shouldn't have, i dunno, GUILD wars? its in the name

@@oxnerd Devs pretty much brushed that off as reference to the Guild Wars of Lore. Disappointing, really.

Not really. Guilds can serve a lot of purpose, especially since you can be in multiple guilds, they just don't serve a GvG purpose. For world bosses and events that require cooperation and organization between players, there are guilds dedicated to teaching and organizing people to beat that event. There are raid and fractal guilds, WvW and PvP guilds, and everything in between. Guilds are a big part of the community.

@@MiguelFelipeCalo posted 1 year ago. No alliance to be found. If / when it comes out, it will be too little, too late.

GW2 isn't a great PvE game either tho, especially when compared to GW1. GW2 for the most part is braindead easy and simplistic, and has a very weightless progression. Also, while the game has amazing production values, the world design itself feels cluttered and overly busy, like they tried to crowd it with attractions. It's a personal thing but I also preferred GW1's mostly linear but impactful story telling. Now that I think of it, FFXIV is a better GW1 successor than GW2 is.

​@Xavier Dias You claim that FFXIV world's is linear, but that's exactly what GW1 was like. GW1 was all about going through a well crafted main story just in an online cooperative fashion, and XIV is exactly about that, that's why I said it's a better successor to GW1 than GW2's design, which is indeed much closer to WoW's game design. GW2 having a big open world with good visuals is a nice thing, but there is no game design to compliment it. Exploration (and progression) doesn't feel all that rewarding when there is nothing filling this world except for braindead easy enemies and world events, and there is no competitive endgame to look forward to (like in wow), or a really compelling story that keeps you motivated to progress through the game's content (like in FFXIV).

GW1 lore (like gods scheming, Mist and pocket realms etc.. while humanity struggles to survive after its fallen from its grace) > GW2 dragon lore

@Xavier Dias GW2 is a WoW clone in a sea of WoW clones, but it does it worse and is optimized horribly. They should have stuck with what made them successful instead of just following the leader.

Gw2 is a good pve game? Umm ill agree with that only up to level 80 though. There is no end game in Gw2. There is no point in raiding, no point in upgrading your gear and frankly the loot in Gw2 is boring. The gear comes very easy and frankly after you hit level 80, the content after is meaningless. New areas do not require upgrading loot and you come to the realization that Gw2 isn't a MMORPG but rather a single player game with updates every few months.

dude you can still do that just logg back on to gw1 there are still a bunch of people online. and even if you dont find any people, like you said you can still solo uw

@Cheesequake that wasn't my point, my point was that it creates a game with in a game that's fun. GW2 is a joke for many reasons but of course it wouldn't have a need for heros or even henchmen because you can solo most of the content. Again though the point is that it is fun to control all 8 characters which are characters you've leveled up on separate play throughs, it's fun to play with people but like I said it's a game with in a game and a different way to play a game you might have played a million times.

Walcom S7 I've played it

yessss, all the coverage ive seen of the game was shitting on it for various reasons, but after playing for a few months its by far the most fun ive ever had in an MMO. Love to see a life of a game on this.

I've played it, I felt it was nothing but a grind there's really nothing to work for.

There's literally everything to work for. That's the best part of the game, you decide what you want to do. I wanted to be the best dagger crafter there is, so I've been working hard on smithing daggers.

That sounds interesting, would love to know more about this!

ah, but how bout those ranger toucher builds. Getting random people in fortaspenwood to go toucher build with you to queue with and just chasing down players. those were the days

I miss the old Ranger thumper builds and using the last Kurz wall in fort aspen wood to safe spot heal the Juggernaut, so many epic moments being the only one to stabilize after my team gets wiped bya big Lux push...

it was spelled kurdicks and suxons, but yes i do miss good o' FA, JA, and most of all AB. miss the days where we go in with 4 monks and roj beam all the camps and just heal for days.

i try'd to play gw1 but it did'nt run to well on my potato computer back then so i was happy that gw2 did work and it was everything i wanted from a game after quiting wow but now it just starts to feel a bit stale but that's because ive been playing it since day 1 and the whole gaming/movement and combat mechanics are starting to feel datet to me so im currently still playing gw2 but im in the market for something better/more modern

@@patrickpol6156 Though this is 6 months later, found something? If not I suggest Elder Scrolls Online, should look it up and do a bit of research to see if it peaks your interest

oddly enough, the community of GW2 is almost half made out of GW1 players.

@@TheCUTTERbyPHOENIX Many people just enjoy the lore, fantasy and themes that are similiar between the games.

Thats exactly how I felt about it GW2 since its release. In general terms, GW2 is considered 1 of the most critically acclaimed and best MMO's of all time and GW1 isnt... GW1 was great but completely different gameplay

I played GW1 and I am one of those who likes GW2 for what it is. But I can definitely say that if GW2 had GW1's features (especially PvP), they'd be making a lot more money than they are or ever did. Why? Because from the beginning, the GW1 players had been driving the hype for GW2, if Arenanet fulfilled all their dreams and THEN some, GW2 would have taken home all the money metaphors you could possibly think of because the GW1 players would have spread that hype like crazy. And probably even rivaled WoW in popularity if they did that. People were expecting Henchmen or Heroes in their personal story, people were expecting GvG and some sort of competition (which they promised) and some were looking forward to a skill progression system that dealt with capturing skills from hard-to-get monsters but none of that came to fruition. What we got was a GOOD game but not the GREAT game it could have been.

True. I loved it! There was just no end game so we all stopped.

Because title never refered to the in-game mechanics, but to the event in the world...

That's cause it is guilds vs dragons rn, lmao

@@Zekent The first game said guild wars in the form of some pretty good PvP... This is what I mean here. That form of PvP is gone in the sequel.

GalloViking “The Guild Wars” was an event in history.

I didn't even find a guild

The thing is that Guild Wars 1 still had all the PvE, the systems designed in the game allowed for engaging PvE, and engaging PvP options. Both communities were supported in some way.

That’s even stupider than the time World of “War”craft tried to achieve a sense of inner peace and half-assed enlightenment with a bullshit “neutral” dollar store kung-fu panda race that regurgitated pseudo-philosophy. At worst, that was just a bad expansion. GW2 was castrated at birth.

@@ChunkSchuldinga But well we can talk about blizzard ruining all their popular game titles in the last 3-4 years and you will see that this publisher is a shadow of itself. It was not just one bad expansion they released. They do it over and over again, because they dont listen to the community anymore and sit on a throne beeing like "we know what you small folk want to play". But they dont. They fuck everything up. BfA worst expansion ever in wow. Diablo 3 complete bullshit cos they wanted to make a casual game in a hardcore genre. They had success with d2 (it was a hardcore game). What on earth made them think "hey lets transform diablo into a casual game none enjoys more then 90hrs". Funniest part is that d3 first got halfway playable with the expansion which costed you another 50 euros (Blizzard copys the EA style). Hearthstone a card game which gets ruined by rng since the last 3 years. People literally told them like 2 full years rng makes the game unfun: Blizzard continues that road. And guess what the same unrewarding rng bullshit is a part of wow now. They currently loose player counts higher then the mount everest. For wow this means pple switching primarly to ff14 and some to eso or gw2. Hell even a community manager called their playerbase "dickbags". Blizzard is just a joke right now and not a company worth mentioning anymore. They completely shifted away from their policy they had in the past. In the past it was: we only do what players will enjoy. Now it is: we know what players will enjoy based on numbers we tracked on statistics. Like fricking robots totally disconnected from the player base. Other companies took well advantage of that. Square Enix works hard and gets all the wow refugees. Riot Games contests them at card games (legends of runeterra), at multiplayer shooters (valorant). Grinding Gear Games took almost the whole hack´n slay playerbase over to poe. Blizzard showed us the perfect way of how to ruin your top position as game publisher. Follow the steps of blizzard and you can ruin yourself, honestly the should make a guide on how to do it. Arenanet on the other site is now listening and talking to their community. They already mentioned so much things that will be released this year its amazing. Best part is that these things actually target the issues people have with the game. Since half of their employements got fired they now shifted their focus primarly on gw2. I personally really like that and it is a milestone achievement if you compare it to blizzard. We know only have to wait for the stuff they mentioned to be implemented.

The Guild War title has to do with the lore and history of the game, not the mechanics

Well... there's World vs World

"tHe gUiLd WaRs wErE a LoRe EvEnT!11!!" - /r/guildwars2 for the past 8 years

Sean Thompson it's still up and right now getting some extra love from few devs

Perma Shadow Form. Running people for Voltaic. Damn those were the days.

Edge bombing AB for the lulz

I want my RoJ Monk back....

In GW1 I loved having an identity associated with the class I was playing. As an elementalist I would run people through imperial sanctum mission for money, farm feathers for consets, and be a nuker/terra tank in DoA/Underworld. PvP was sweet too - I loved playing grenth's balance assassin in RA, among other janky builds. GW2 combat just feels so mindless and unengaging to me... Honestly the thing I enjoyed the most about GW2 was the jumping puzzles :P

Can still play GW1!

RA is the greatest pvp in a online rpg of all time I still remember the first time I went 30-0 with randoms from RA to TA

Garden warfare 2? Plants vs Zombies!

I'm almost on 1k hours, I'm with you. It's my favorite mmo probably

Good for you. On a side note, fuck PvZ Gw2 to hell and back.

still 100 hr and having hard time on POF realy good story for me.

nerdSlayer what are your pc specs?

Eve next?

didn't know you were semi-pro at GW2. Must of meant a lot to make this video :P

Ok, I love gw2 but when you said arenanet and marketing on the same sentence I laughed a bit too much :3

Final Fantasy XIV.....lol

Well probably since many GW2 critics are just people calling it crap because they personally don't like its style(PvE over PvP, no concrete guests, etc.)or act like vanilla WoW people.(aka the original was perfect and everything else is crap). So people might not even watch it and just dislike it.

I remember power leveling people for money in pve with my 55hp monk. Let alone ganking one of these idiots in pvp

Protective Spirit baby!

I don't understand this nostalgia feeling. Seems like plague of today. ( damn wow classic :/) Now, like on vanilla, many good player do and win outnumbered skirmish in WvWvW. For a very big purpose all wait the alliance rework of this mode. All skins equips or mounts cant compete.

​@@NikeGippleit isn't nostalgia though, the combat is fundamentally different and can no longer support what allowed zerg busting to function. Also WoW classic is a good example, I only started WoW at the end of WotLK but classic is far better than retail.

basically each time you hear someone complaining about content and the end game it is because pvp and WvW barely evolved since launch and grind for skins and legendarie as for the end game does not appeal to everyone. some people want competition, special reward that helps evolving your character and his gear, hard and rewarding dungeons, rewards for winning a WvW skirmish,...

.. And more importantly, it's the most social mmo out there, that's actually the real reason I keep coming back. I've played tons of mmo's, but Guild Wars 2 is the only place I can make friends everytime I login. The whole game is designed around beeing social. Everyone talks in say and map chat, you don't really even have to join a guild at all. Very helpful community. I see high lvl players standing in starting zone only to help newcomers very commonly, without them getting rewarded anything, they are just there to help, even giving gold away and stuff.

We must have played entirely different games. Almost nobody talks, even in big places like Lion's Arch. Every Guild I joined is essentially dead with like 3-4 active members. Anything that happens at lower levels are literally just massive zergs for meta map events or a daily event completion is in that map with people asking for events over and over. It's the most empty game I played. Literally have 50+ people in one area waiting for something to start and it's completely dead silent. Champion events all over the maps I can't complete because I have no one to help me and I'm not playing a class that can solo it. I can't even get someone to help me figure out all this Ascended Gear/Agony Resistance for fractals (which I feel the game leaves me completely clueless on btw). I actually talked to more people that have never even HAD ascended gear. A complete lack of progression this whole game just feels like a cluster fuck that arena net doesn't know how to handle anymore.

I'm playing it right now and it's pretty far from empty. I see full zones almost every time of the day and people talking and having fun at every major hub.

If you yourself aren't the social type then it's easy to feel like the community isn't social. If you're standing still within a zerg and type stuff into /say then you'd usually get a response from someone pretty quickly. The community is usually happy to help other players. I sometimes get whispers from random players who need help figuring something out and I happily spend the next 15 minutes talking them through it.

J D for me ff14 is the most social mmo out there. I mean i once went afk in one of the main city's and got myself surounded by a whole guild( had no guild at the time). Gues who joined them😅.

Read more up into the how the name guild wars come up next time. :) cus it's not named after what you can do

To add to their comments- You have WvW where guilds can incade castles and mark them as their own. We can fight other guilds while represebting ours and sometimes there are guild zergs.

@@sunebites Guild vs Guild was a thing back when I played, it was an unofficial game mode which was 20v20 25v25 30v30 or w.e was agreed upon, but tbf it was still zerg vs zerg and had a decline when Red Guard quit, although TA did hold the light for a while it never was what it was prior.

You can roam which is a beauty in the wvw which most players love and live for :D

Very few players love and live for roaming, only the good ones ;)

Not to mention that nobody has given a shit about capping keeps since EoTM k-training.

I don't know if anything changed after I quit (I played for two years starting at launch) but we had always left capping to the pug zergs, unless the zone commanders needed the help occasionally.

EoTM is barren and empty now

Yeah and then stability got changed and the overall balance went to shit with each xpac. Id love to play basegame wvw again but the current meta just isnt for me.

most people juste follow mindlesly the commander. nowerdays the meta push players to play in big numbers and roaming is nearly dead. you have no specific reward when you either lose or win a skirmish. GvG is one between players, there is no structure for it. ANET did gave arena's in guild halls but they are too small and unusable for those who don't have HOT...

Better than something i dislike would simply be one I like...so as for a current generation MMO. None.

when it comes to glory and admiration mmo games are just a virtual placebo

Lucas Schmitz "admiration",you missed the point entirely or you joined mmorpgs late.pvp and wvw is just farming in this game,the zergfest that is wvw (used to lead in wvw some years ago) it's just that,zergfest for farming and pvp it's close to it,believe it or not ,most of my matches i finish with the best dmg,most kills etc. while playing a vanilla class,not even an elite spec. As good as you are in this game,it's meaningless and has no impact of any kind.

Lucas Schmitz ohh,and forgot something,you should check out how people are getting to the top of the leaderboards in pvp(trading victories etc.) ... it's as close to cheating as it can get.

Because the guild wars were first and foremost an historical event that happened centuries before the GW1 timeline :D

@@scarocci7333 but first and foremost the game Guild Wars was built towards the idea of having actual Guild Wars (GvG) as a mechanic waaaaay before any lore was written. It literally is named Guild Wars because of GvG . It doesn't matter that in the end it wasn't a pure PvP MMO, the initial idea was that it would and GvG would be the most competitive part - hence the name "Guild Wars".

@Lics Norgi lol what ? Some people enjoy competitive pvp combat to see how they fair vs other players in skill.

@Lics Norgi what are you even on about? You call a very large group of people asshats and provide no arguments except for " gOoD pLaYeRs BeAt BaD pLaYeRs :'( " Thats what matchmaking is for you know? You come off as a giant asshole yourself

@Lics Norgi And PVE is filled with cheater, exploiters, and people who want you to have the gear that drops there before taking you. Or to play the current meta even if you do enough damage to clear the content. It seems like people cheat, and want the easiest time/path of least resistance by nature.

No they want you logging in every day to get your rewards, so they can artifically increase their #s.

there is no comment on this video that is more true than yours! Its a decent game but terrible sequel to GW1. Even the PvE is less entertaining. there was nothing more fun that going into UW, an instance meant for 8 people, and soloing it with only 55hp! or clearing vaettir's on a slow moving, earth encrusted, armored to the teeth ele all alone! Or using a dervish to transport low level survivors thru the perils of the icy mountains! The only thing that carried over from GW1 to GW2 is the names of the classes.

It's tough at this time since most MMOs are a reskin of the same game. So lore based it makes the most sense to just choose the more interesting universe. Though GW2 might have more open content, ESO has more instanced story, or FFXIV is more raid base etc. I personally don't like any of the current MMOs enough to play regularly.

I see. I've done WoW years ago, just can't get back into it. Then did ESO, but it grew stale, with new maps but no changes to the class abilities (mashing the same buttons for 4yrs straight gets old!) or game play really. Then switched to GW2 a few weeks ago. Enjoying it simply because it is different. But there's still the void that isn't being filled, as you alluded to.

I love this comment. It especially hit me in the feels when you mentioned hobby vs job. Sorry, I'm just really sour toward WoW after dropping 75 bucks for pretty much pretty backgrounds albeit fun quests and the way they advertised unlocking allied races as if all it took was to pre buy BfA...oh and they took away flying and threw it into I think Its a 2 part questline... Oh God...I honestly don't feel like going on because I get sad about my wasted money... Short version- Great comment, I am happy that I can still feel like I progressed even if I spent 2-3 hours. Plus I honestly adore running around and hunting world bosses... Seems there's a new mount for me to collect too

Allied race from the start where only attainable through achievements .. Not just buying the game no one but you thought that..

@@rickeyryan303 right and that's why Activision advertised to prepurchse and it would unlock the races. Sorry I came back because I didn't think they would screw their customers this much. Basically you need to be not working to progress in this game now. How do they figure I afford to play? A money tree in my backyard? Lol Anyway, I am not the only one who felt duped one way or another. You're funny for trying to single me out like a bad lass or something. Good luck to you and your wasted time and money.

Everyone knew it would be though achievements, too know one uses real money in WoW any more.. You can use in game gold to buy everything. Even the game it self..

@@rickeyryan303 true that you don't have to use real money but that only validates the fact that you have to play the game like your life depends on it. No one except people who live online can achieve such a feat because it takes a stupid amount of time - wasted time btw - to acquire pixel bragging rights? Lol nevermind. We are on different wavelengths but I'm quite positive that new players and old coming back felt like they would be able to choose and keep playing new races. You may or may not know but since Burning Crusade Blizz always gave us something interesting and fun. Examples, Blood Elves and Gnomes in BC, Worgen and Goblins in Cata, Pandas in MoP with a new twist to choose a side. And yes a new class like Death Knights in Wrath to which you had to have one maxed character which was fine because everyone had one at that point but never had they truly locked them away. To grind hours upon hours of OLD content rep was not only tedious and repetitive but you were also slowed by the fact of having to open your flight with some other bullshit questslines...and for what? Lazy re-skins. Nothing new. Re-skins. Yeaaaaaah that should've been free with purchase. Lol

Honestly, I find PvP to have a really big potential in GW2. Its very active, and could've been very good. If Anet wouldve actually given it any support through the years.

Interesting perspective. It sounds to me like you enjoy hunting for the perfect exploitive OP unbalanced build. We have some of those in GW2 but the devs by and large have put a lot of effort into nerfing things that are stupidly OP, or just generally not-fun to play against. From my perspective, I miss running around as perma stealth thief and 1v6'ing people, but I also generally appreciate that the various classes are reasonably balanced so that you can actually run something other than the one exploitive build.

EmissaryGW2 I don't need it to be exploitive or op. I did like hunting those builds, but yeah, they got nerfed and became something reasonable afterwards. Like I said, in the case of gw2, they Nerf before its even toxic. Everything feels weak. In general, I enjoyed the hunt. In this, it's all grind.

I haven't played gw1 so I don't really have a comparison. Do you play GW2 a lot? Plenty of builds feel 'strong' to me (sustain/mobility combined with big damage), but I suppose that's all relative.

EmissaryGW2 I have, I believe, around 3 or 400 hours in gw2. There are too many inhibiting factors to builds in gw2. In gw1 you have a thousand+ skills and a kit which draws 8 skills out of that pool based on a combination of your primary and secondary class. A mesmer/ele that uses powerful aoe spells on fast cast (not as strong as an ele primary, but worth the combo) Necromancer/spiritualist that uses a full army.. a true minion master. Etc.. they don't limit your imagination.. in gw2, there's always a set Meta and it only changes if new subclasses are added or they Nerf something. Gw1 got a full make over recently, if you never played, I recommend trying it. It still has a devout following.

I do find a lot of build variation, but at the core there's only a certain set of skills that a given class has access to. But within that, a class can fulfill several different potential roles and playstyles based on weapon, stat and trait choice. I personally am usually able to find something that feels fresh and new to play after I've been doing the same thing for a while - but I can understand that there are fewer combinations and crazy interactions between stuff that you can try. For me I get most of my fun out of just the combat mechanics, twitch reflexes and out playing opponents.

I wished I had not spent money on the expansions after being away for about 7 years! The game is horrible and hate that you have to grind events just to get masteries you need to progress the story! Anet is just lazy! Even FFXIV 1.0 is better than what they are puitting out now as well as how bad Blizz is doing with wow, its still better than GW2 system!

How?? Isnt the player base literally dead over there? I tried it again like 2 years ago and there was like no one playing. Which sucked cause that was actually fun!

A lot of people still play. Servers are still up and you can find people in guilds.

I've found most players are in some of the larger hubs in Nightfall. Also the playerbase rose a bit in the last few months as a graphical update came out which added anisotropic filtering and a larger view distance as well as every Guild Wars 1 expansion going on sale on steam for the first time ever, during the Steam Summer sale (picked up Trilogy and Eye of the North for $25)

Wait... GW1 is still on ??

Yup, theres even been graphical updates. They said the game doesn't even take 1% of what it takes to run GW2, so they're not planning on shutting it down any time soon. It's just not going to get any new content it seems.

haha, that's awesome

imagine role playing in an MMO"RPG". You're obviously in the wrong game. Well deserved.

That's a bummer. Ain't rpg stands for roleplaying game?

@@GameFuMaster RPG means Role Playing Game and he was role playing so he IS in the correct game

Yes please

its not dead yet. Anet still giving GW updates and pepople still playing it.

Gw1 is far from dead

C'mon man, I'm playing it right now. I love the game but let's be honest... Surely it's not filled with players

MMO.it It never really died, people just moved away after GW2 released. GW1 was put into maintenance mode and that's it