Why I Failed To Soundproof My Studio

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Jeff Randall

Jeff Randall

Күн бұрын

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0:00 I Spent $10,000 for nothing
0:44 Didn't want to make this video
1:52 Background
3:35 Contractor's recommendations
4:58 Realized it was a mistake
5:51 It's on me
6:33 Harsh truth
7:19 Heading down to the garage
7:47 Budget calculator
8:46 The price to do it right
9:37 A tough decision
10:42 Found a WhisperRoom
11:21 The price of a car
11:55 Pros and cons
13:47 Soundproofing is expensive
14:48 Just a warning

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@JeffRandallDrumming
@JeffRandallDrumming Ай бұрын
Btw, I don’t want to suggest that your projects will cost the same amount of money as mine. Only that they likely won’t be cheap. Every room starts with a different set of variables. My room in particular is fairly large, located upstairs and not on a concrete slab, and it has big windows and 4 doors. These factors add up. An ideal starting place would be a smaller room on a concrete slab with no windows and a single door. But of course you have to work with what you have and strategize accordingly.
@adrian___a
@adrian___a Ай бұрын
As a positive side of the story, you have a soundproof room that is absolutely suitable for a kids bedroom/playroom, which is an unheard luxury for any parent. So, definitely not wasted money, it just needs repurposing.👌
@JeffRandallDrumming
@JeffRandallDrumming Ай бұрын
Haha, yeah indeed. It will be a kids room going forward. Though we’ll be demoing the room entirely so it’ll match the rest of the rooms upstairs.
@pentzzsolt
@pentzzsolt Ай бұрын
Do NOT change ANYTHING about that room! That kid is going to have the coolest looking room in all of Nashville!
@adrian___a
@adrian___a Ай бұрын
@@JeffRandallDrumming I'd try to influence your better one no to change the room, just probably have a repaint to have more of a kids-color-scheme inside. This also could potentially become a profitable side hustle to combine soundproofing with kids bedroom designs. Parents would pay anything to regain their old and forgotten sanity :D :D :D
@samuelprice3392
@samuelprice3392 26 күн бұрын
Cinema room!
@justinblanchard512
@justinblanchard512 Ай бұрын
I’m so sorry Jeff… I can’t imagine how hard it must have been to realize the first build-out wasn’t cutting it… I’m a drummer planning on building a room-in-a-room in our detached garage this summer. Thanks for the cautionary tale and your words of wisdom.
@mattmarkus4868
@mattmarkus4868 Ай бұрын
There's tremendous value in this video to all of us drummers struggling with the same issue, so thank you for sharing your learning experience. 30K+ is an extraordinary amount money, especially for individuals that simply want to play real drums and are unable to get any monetary return from it. Thankfully you didn't have to stick to your e-kit or fork over 35K. Glad it's over for you and now you can get back doing what you love. Again, thank you for sharing.
@RockyTop85
@RockyTop85 Ай бұрын
I couldn’t agree less. I get electronic drums are not ideal, but it beats the heck out of wasting 30k…
@matt_metcalf
@matt_metcalf Ай бұрын
I just sold my acoustic set and bought a VAD507. It was a tough decision but I just couldn't find a way to play acoustic. So far it's been good. Mine and my neighbor's ears have appreciated the change. I'm also realizing that my parents were saints for letting me learn and play drums in my bedroom growing up 😊
@ADDG880
@ADDG880 Ай бұрын
I’ve wanted a private space to play my whole life. It’s been 3 years of dedicated research. I’ve looked at the sound proof booths, construction in my home, building a new structure outside, looked at renting a commercial space, and even customizing pre-fab options. I’ve read the Rod Gervais book, spoken to specialty contractors, and reached the same conclusion. Tough, but valuable lesson and hopefully the silver lining is a deeper appreciation for the opportunity to enjoy your craft in your home. Great channel, great videos, glad you’re back. Please, if possible check out your lesson requests as I’ve sent in a couple and never heard back (I can only imagine I am one of many).
@brandrumpitt9655
@brandrumpitt9655 Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing mate, it's very rare to have someone be completely honest about getting it wrong, especially when big money is involved! I plan on having a soundproof room in the future, so you sharing your struggle will hopefully result in me not making the same mistakes (which I likely would have!). Cheers 👍
@synthesizers
@synthesizers Ай бұрын
About 10 years ago I decided to go all in and had someone building me a “room within a room” in my basement. I haven’t done any tests like you did but I believe the results are very close to what you have with the whisper room (my room is a bit quieter). Once it’s inside of the house, it will never be 100% quiet. I can play anytime I want which was a dream of mine for 25 years ;) Btw, I spent around 30k USD on the room. It’s about 1.5 the size of your whisper room.
@tomdowning9358
@tomdowning9358 Ай бұрын
This is exactly how it is done, a room within a room.
@johnkirsch757
@johnkirsch757 Ай бұрын
Lesson learned, great video, Jeff! I've struggled with this problem since I fell in love with this instrument 53 years ago. It's not a failure it is a valuable lesson that will help you, and every drummer who sees it to understand the commitment needed to develop their skills with this beast of an instrument. Enjoy your well-deserved promise land inside the isolation booth. I believe God works all things for good and much good will come from your expert teaching videos and drum lessons. Thank you for doing this well needed video topic. God bless you!
@johnrobinson8323
@johnrobinson8323 Ай бұрын
Well, I'm sorry your in house room didn't work out but congratulations on your sound proof box find. Your videos have been so helpful and appreciated over the years so I'm so glad you'll be able to continue on your acoustic kit. Good drumming luck! 🥁❤️
@biroefraim268
@biroefraim268 Ай бұрын
Thank you very much, Jeff! Keep keeping it real out there, and we’re all excited for the new videos coming. God bless you!
@chrissiemilnarskii
@chrissiemilnarskii Ай бұрын
This is honestly my nightmare as someone that wants to do something like this one day haha I’m sure this was a hard reality to come to grips to, but thanks for sharing your experience, I’m sure it will help a lot of people with the same drum room dream. Also echoing Soundproof Your Studio as a great resource! Similarly, he’s mentioned mistakes with his build, which is such important data for the community to learn from.
@blackbird7864
@blackbird7864 Ай бұрын
It’s never easy to admit when you’ve messed up but we appreciate your honesty and humility, Jeff. And it was a God thing. He gives us what we need, when we need it. Remember, God honors bold prayers because bold prayers honor God. Looking forward to more videos. 🥁
@digimax8711
@digimax8711 Ай бұрын
You understand the importance of balancing family along with your craft. You are not only an amazing drummer but an amazing father and family man Jeff. I hope the sound isolation room works out for you guys!
@Transistor97
@Transistor97 Ай бұрын
Thank you for your honesty. It's hard to admit when we're wrong. I'm building a studio in a couple months and have been watching Wilson's videos in preparation. Good to see him get a shout-out.
@robroilen4441
@robroilen4441 Ай бұрын
I don't think it's fair to blame the contractor. He was consulted, provided an opinion and quote, and you agreed to it. Looks like he did a quality job of exactly what he was asked to do. Maybe I missed it but I don't see anything about rockwool or mass loaded vinyl, both pretty affordable and effective means of dampening.
@Stas091
@Stas091 Ай бұрын
Thank you for being so open about your journey, and also for helping a lot of people (including me) through this video and all your videos! Playing an acoustic kit brings us so much joy & I’m happy that you can continue to grow as a drummer and as an educator ! Blessings!
@alsdrumhang
@alsdrumhang Ай бұрын
Sorry you went through this! One of the things I like least about drumming is how hard it is to find a place to play "on demand" without spending tons of money. You are spot on about the time, effort and cost of true soundproofing, and anyone who says it can be done for cheaper is untethered from reality, to put it bluntly. You got a great deal on that WhisperRoom!
@richomayoral
@richomayoral Ай бұрын
Happened the same for me, a friend who works as a contractor swearing he knew all about it, convinced me to “sound proof” a room in my house for my band to rehearse… only a waste of time and money , it really cost a looooooot of money for it to really work
@weschilton
@weschilton Ай бұрын
You're a straight shooter and I wish more people would realize that there is no shortcut to soundproofing or even acoustically treating a room for mixing. 90% of people out there will spend insane money on gee-whiz gear for internet likes and clicks.... famous hardware compressors, vintage amps, fancy custom shop guitars.... and then the completely fail to put together a good sounding acoustically treated room with a good pair of studio monitors. Its cheap Kali's and Amazon foam, ugh. I'm a drummer stuck in a bedroom studio as well, and I totally feel you. I spent $5k on quality acoustic treatment and even consulted with some professionals. They all said the same thing you discovered. That you can make the room sound better inside, but it won't be soundproof. And I went into it knowing this. So I basically can only record drums when my wife goes out. And even then, I have had many takes ruined by passing trucks, and the scourge of Los Angeles, helicopters! I also finally spent some serious money on real studio monitors (ATCs) and room correction (a Trinnov Nova) so that I can mix in a way that I can trust what I am hearing and that translates well. This after trying cheaper solutions for 16 years and constantly having to fight the room and gear. It sucks that its so expensive, but this is reality. Someday I hope to have a big enough property that I can build a standalone building and do a studio the right way from the ground up. I'm glad you shared your experience, and your viewers would be wise to listen to your advice.
@ahchv
@ahchv Ай бұрын
Great video thank you for the transparency!!
@joeimmen2557
@joeimmen2557 Ай бұрын
Thanks for making your last 2 videos, it’s hard to find high quality comparisons of drums inside whisper rooms (and although whisper room makes good products, they’re bad at marketing and they don’t produce any high quality videos of musicians inside their booths). The production quality and care you put into your videos is appreciated.
@zackcarpenter3980
@zackcarpenter3980 Ай бұрын
Thanks for doing this video Jeff!
@ahall841
@ahall841 Ай бұрын
This is incredibly valuable! Thank you for sharing.
@arturofernandez6088
@arturofernandez6088 Ай бұрын
Great info. Thanks for sharing! 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
@JonFosterDrummer
@JonFosterDrummer Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing this story dude! Glad you have this new incredible space!!
@andrewvincent77
@andrewvincent77 Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing! Mistakes like these are part of life. Glad you got a solution!!
@michael9110
@michael9110 Ай бұрын
Awesome video thanks, Jeff! Keeping it honest and real as always.
@jonashellborg8320
@jonashellborg8320 Ай бұрын
Totally agree, sound proofing for drums can get very expensive. During the pandemic, after trying a few thick “sound proof carpets”, I got a drum riser creating an air gap to the floor. You both need to be able to spend money, and you need to learn about mass and air gaps to stop sound. A simple home test : take a mechanical metronome, and try to make it shut up. Add layers of whatever you have - it’s air gaps and mass that will do it, and lots of it. The smaller you can make the room (I went down to smaller kit and kick, hat, snare) the cheaper it will be. Thanks for sharing, Jeff!
@DrumTipTuesday
@DrumTipTuesday Ай бұрын
Wow! Thank you for posting this. It reminds me of just how lucky I am. There are two factors of sound isolation I've found over the years that (with the exception of the room in a room) are most important, and they are distance and dirt. With my studio being in a basement built like a bunker of cement on all sides under a house on a two acre plot I have both of these things covered. All I had to do was ditch the windows and replace them with the same kind of cinder block the rest of the walls are made of (and I already had the block in the back yard) and I was set. Good luck to you in your continued search of isolation and ultimate studio enjoyment. BTW that whisper box sounds great!
@banenamuffin9842
@banenamuffin9842 Ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing
@BenjaminGib
@BenjaminGib Ай бұрын
Wow, thank you for making and sharing this video, Jeff! It really dispels any myths I may have on how “doable” soundprooofing is.
@sarinsahil
@sarinsahil Ай бұрын
I have been studying acoustics for the same purpose for a while and a few builds later, when I saw your video about the big room I was really concerned about the sound proofing aspect and thought that maybe you live in a remote location or don't need so much sound proofing for your purpose. I am sorry this happened to you. But looking on the positive side, I am very glad you found a whisper room and salute your perseverance. I wish you all the best Jeff! Happy Drumming :)
@mrmusic21
@mrmusic21 Ай бұрын
Dude, drums were made for war (and music I guess). There ain't much out there that's gonna stop those sound waves in any modern home. I've found that the most practical place to play and keep an acoustic drum kit is in a basement. I remodeled a basement room, put down a floor, some acoustic treatment, and my recordings sounded way better. Did I get rid of the noise? Absolutely not. But, I accomplished my goal of making better music. If I ever have to move somewhere without a basement, God help me. With that being said, I'm glad you found a solution in the booth. I agree that there's nothing like playing an acoustic drum kit. Great video.
@ShadowDatsas
@ShadowDatsas Ай бұрын
This is so enlightening, I truly appreciate this video and the previous one, as this is a problem I will also face when I get my own house. Thanks a lot!
@greggriffith7599
@greggriffith7599 Ай бұрын
Thanks so much for this extra video about this topic! It can’t be easy to spend that much money and not have it workout. Super helpful to understand the right budget for properly soundproofing a home for drums.
@alexis.jacobo.drums14
@alexis.jacobo.drums14 Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing Jeff, I was wondering why you weren't uploading so often, now I understand. Must've been a tough time Hope you can now enjoy your instrument at your fullest!
@raulalvaradodrums
@raulalvaradodrums 15 күн бұрын
Im so sorry to hear that your room didn’t work out! :( mine didn’t either lol, and yes there is a lot of confusion around soundproofing I’m glad to hear you found a fix!
@jeffisdrums
@jeffisdrums Ай бұрын
Dude love it Randall! Your transparency is such a vibe and love you’re playing as well! Would be fun to have you do a master class, definitely would support that! Cheers from Cali!
@cbenson67
@cbenson67 Ай бұрын
Solid info as always Jeff. Been through it in a basement studio and got decent results with decoupling but as a do it yourselfer, not perfect by any means. Live and learn. Now let’s play some drums!!!
@Richard6767
@Richard6767 Ай бұрын
I hope the drum booth helps you keep your groove going, Jeff! When I first noticed your KZfaq videos, what struck me most was that you play in the pocket with tremendous energy, yet your playing seems so effortles. It's always a pleasure to listen to you play and learn something new from you. The lesson I've taken away from the last few videos is that it really takes a lot of untroubled (in the sense that you don't have to be bothered by how many people you annoy with your playing) practice to get in the groove. What you mention about our beautiful sounding but stupidly loud instrument and all the things that go with it is so relatable! Keep it up, Jeff!❤🤞🏻
@daveylong3089
@daveylong3089 Ай бұрын
Thank you Jeff, superb video. Great advice.
@ejeckk
@ejeckk Ай бұрын
When one is looking for a product or service like this, it is important to remember that you are NOT paying for time. You are paying for a result. If you want the result of sound dampening, you pay one price. If you want the result of sound proofing, you pay another. In the end because you were eventually willing to put in the work to do more research after the initial investment, you were able to purchase a product that achieved the result you were hoping for at a lower price in total. But that was pure serendipity. I'm glad it all worked out and you shared your lessoned learned. Conclusion: If you want sound proofing, it's going to cost you $35K The end.
@Studio22mix
@Studio22mix Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing 👍🏼
@michaelnelson7575
@michaelnelson7575 23 күн бұрын
Wow homie. Brutally honest and a tough lesson to take in. Sorry you had to experience that but I'm stoked you found an acoustic solution. Your videos are great and I spend a good bit of time studying sound as well as technique. That would have all been lost with an e-kit. 🤘
@Algefi
@Algefi Ай бұрын
Thank you so much for sharing this. I’ve been thinking so much about moving into a bigger flat to have an extra room which I can soundproof. I was already sceptical, but this seals the deal: I’ll stay in my flat and rather spend the ~100€ to rent a rehearsal room. For me it’s just a hobby after all, and I just can’t bring myself to use an electric kit. Also just practising on pads works for busy days when I can’t make it to the rehearsal room. You sir have just saved me a lot of stress and money! Thanks again for sharing! All the best from Germany
@alvaroruizruiz7538
@alvaroruizruiz7538 Ай бұрын
Dude, this is also drum education, this is the kind of thing that comes as part of the instrument and you need to get around too. Learning from the experience of others is key
@Tom-cq1xm
@Tom-cq1xm Ай бұрын
Great honest feedback. Can't believe I haven't watched any of your other vids wtf
@MattButzen
@MattButzen Ай бұрын
Great insight
@chriskingassociates2366
@chriskingassociates2366 Ай бұрын
Great video Jeff! That booth is amazing.
@JeffRandallDrumming
@JeffRandallDrumming Ай бұрын
Thanks Chris!
@Richard_L_Drummer
@Richard_L_Drummer Ай бұрын
Thanks Jeff. Great practical and efficient info. Thanks for sharing your labour of love into this...much invested but doing the right thing, the right way, will pay dividends in many ways. You got a super fallout shelter and you dont have to mess with your home structure no more...good one!❤
@JeffRandallDrumming
@JeffRandallDrumming Ай бұрын
Thanks buddy!
@812cp
@812cp Ай бұрын
That's a lot of excellent, honest information for any musician thinking about building a space in their home. Thanks very much for sharing your experience.
@benjaminpeternorris
@benjaminpeternorris Ай бұрын
Great video - thanks for your honesty. It's a real shame your studio didn't work out after all the money and time spent on it. Knowing what doesn't work is just has helpful for us drummers, as what does work. I got contractors in to 'soundproof' my garage for use as a drum studio to my specifications. If I learnt anything from the project is that it's difficult. There are theoretical dB noise reduction levels and then real world applications that are far less soundproof than the theoretical numbers would suggest. There are always inevitable compromises or shortcuts that often have to be made, due to time and money, so it's really difficult to get something that is perfectly soundproof. The best you can ever hope to achieve really is 'good enough' unless you have unlimited budget, and unlimited time.
@RockAndGrooveSchool
@RockAndGrooveSchool Ай бұрын
Not very common that kind of honesty in social media. Happily surprised. Can’t wait to see new content from your new booth. Cheers
@JBBOULAYDRUMS
@JBBOULAYDRUMS Ай бұрын
You have no idea how ridicously perfect your timing is with that video - You are the man! Keep it up!
@LDdrums20
@LDdrums20 Ай бұрын
Man I feel you. I've been dealing with this myself too. Tired in the end I switched to edrums
@sergiozdrums
@sergiozdrums Ай бұрын
great video :)
@dmdtmdmdtm
@dmdtmdmdtm Ай бұрын
Hi Jeff, i’m in France and i bought a booth like this 10 years ago. You are right at 200%, sound proofing is really hard and cost a lot, without any garantee if you do it by yourself. With a piece of gear like this, built a the right place, you are shure to be able to play without problems. As you say, being in a small place with this « special » sound, real tight, is different, BUT it’s a real luxury to have this at home 👍🏻 Thanks a lot for the drummer community all around the world, for your honesty, real great advices from a real guy in the real world 😉 Créatines from Marseille , hope you enjoyed my best english 🤣🤘🏼🤘🏼 David
@adamchang0605
@adamchang0605 Ай бұрын
helpful video tks
@cfusilier2
@cfusilier2 Ай бұрын
I’m really sorry to hear this went sideways, but I genuinely enjoy your thoughts and insight on it all. For what it’s worth, on my end, your bonus room looks and sounds great. I’m curious to know what you’re going to do with it now? But, at the same time, you have something new to explore. I look forward to what you do next.
@JeffRandallDrumming
@JeffRandallDrumming Ай бұрын
We’ll be demoing the room and turning it into a playroom for our daughter!
@cfusilier2
@cfusilier2 Ай бұрын
Aw. That’s going to be one happy kid 🙂
@AlessandroSpenga
@AlessandroSpenga Ай бұрын
I, as every other drummer out there, have had the same problem. I’ve been drumming now in a garage lot at the back of a gas station for the past 9 years. It’s a huge parking lot for buses and trucks. There’s a bunch bands here too. It’s on a main road and pretty far away from houses. Over the past 9 years I’ve spent close to 7000€ to rent the place. A small booth for drummers would cost me around 11/13000€ here in Italy. So, put it in perspective and after 13 years it would be around 10000€ spent to rent this small garage (if the price remains the same). And I will keep on paying for as long as I stay there. I’d say, if you’re serious about playing the drums and want to do it for the rest of your life, Jeff’s solution of buying a used booth is probably the best and final solution to the issue.
@mattmarkus4868
@mattmarkus4868 Ай бұрын
Good perspective. Another is to think of a different serious hobby like golf (just to pick one of my own). Golfing costs roughly $60-80 a round. Playing 26 rounds a year (say 2x a week for 6 months of the year, if you're in the north) = $4100. In 5 years you've spent 20-25K. In 30+ years (thinking along the lines of the rest of your life) is 120K+ !! I think your perspective is good and comparing it to other labors of love/hobbies is helpful. As long as those whisper rooms can be moved and hold up well, I think it's a good choice. But the up front price is going to sting a bit! They should consider financing to buyers (but they probably need more volume to make that work). ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@bishopoftroy
@bishopoftroy Ай бұрын
These kind of video are very important. Keep doing them, that`s what the internet is for.
@AlexRamirezDrummer
@AlexRamirezDrummer Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing! Definitely I problem I have been dealing since I moved to my new house and building my drum studio. It’s hard to be a drummer, as you said we play a stupid loud instrument. Cheers mate
@m.a.6478
@m.a.6478 Ай бұрын
At least you get a smaller heating and AC bill for your initial drum room as it is now better insulated than before.
@gsdota
@gsdota Ай бұрын
Dude thanks for the heads up
@JeffRandallDrumming
@JeffRandallDrumming Ай бұрын
For sure buddy.
@insaneobserver3311
@insaneobserver3311 Ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing the truth brother!
@brocklanders6008
@brocklanders6008 Ай бұрын
Been there done that! The way to do this is to buy a good e kit... In the same room put up your acoustic kit. Go around all your neighbours and explain your a drummer...tell them you have 2 kits in the house ..one is silent and one is not. Explain to them you practise for hours a day mostly using the silent ekit out of respect for their piece and quiet being respected. I then explained that i HAVE to practice on the acoustic kit but its only for a maximum of 1 hour a day...explain to them if the sound bothers them they only have to close any windows they have in their house and that any noise again will only be heard for an hour max! That way you have the isolation ...your windows closed and their windows closed..theres the decoupling... Surprisingly most neighbours have said they look forward to my playing and they enjoy hearing it... I think the hour rule is the key... A good few hours ekit practice topped of with an hour acoustic is more than any drummer will ever need. Brass instruments...piano...all the same realy ud be surprised at the levels....just communicate with neighbours....and dont beat your self up over it. That way you are not losing any acoustic playing feel by way of overusing the e kit etc....... Booths are good been there done that but it does keep all that drum sound in and the drum doesnt sound as good as the sound cant go anywhere.. be VERY careful of the volume in there and watch your ears ...protect them well.
@user-go6vb9vn2r
@user-go6vb9vn2r Ай бұрын
Hey, Jeff! I live in an apartment and I would love to play drums. I have an idea and I would like to ask if you would make a video of it, please: Will you put pillows, blankets and etc. inside the shell pack in order to quiet the drums? The cymbals could have light towels on top to quiet them. The goal is to diminish the volume dramatically, yet maintain the individual sounds of the drum pieces. Thanks in advance. Cheers!
@davidhorne1982
@davidhorne1982 Ай бұрын
Thank you for making this video. I’m blown away by how much this cost you! I built a home studio 10 years ago and I think I just got lucky. I built it myself (room within a room) and clearly saved myself as absolute fortune. The person you hired…… sorry
@Maelthorn1337
@Maelthorn1337 Ай бұрын
Ironically, this will probably end up being one of your most viewed videos for a while. Thanks for making it! I've always had an interest in soundproofing. Not drums but mostly for yelling and screaming.
@tb7077
@tb7077 Ай бұрын
I’m curious what the temperature / air flow is like in it? I’m in Florida and in my garage, it would be a giant slow roaster oven if it didn’t have some sort of a/c.
@TM_Stone
@TM_Stone Ай бұрын
I'm so glad you found the Whisper Room. Yes, it's a bummer you had to go through spending the money on the remodel. I, like you, believe it's the Lord's doing. Not necessarily because he wants you to play drums but to maybe to plant a seed in someone's life (ie student, etc) for the future AKA the Great Commision. Looking forward to more of you wonderful videos. Take care.
@erikondrums
@erikondrums Ай бұрын
I think this is the perfect video when it comes to building a home studio! It shows the reality!!
@chrisw443
@chrisw443 Ай бұрын
Sound blankets. Put four on stands have them make a cube around you, put one on the floor with a rug on top, and attach one to the ceiling above you. There ya go, that'll do about 70 percent of the work. Having nothing or an 10k whisper room is misleading. I can smell that whisper room still. lol
@Polentaccio
@Polentaccio Ай бұрын
I'm doing a multi use space ( drums, cabs, mixing) in my basement while finishing the basement. My room is half the budget. I've got double 5/8 on both sides of walls, staggered studs, and a ceiling which is sonopan, res channel, 2 more layers of drywall. I don't expect it to truly be sound proof. Even with a solid core heavy door.. this is the nature of the beast where home studios are concerned. Too many nooks and crannies for vibration to slip up into the rafters. If you've got a drum room on main floor or top floor? Forget about it. My goal is to hear barely anything on the top floor, and to be able to watch tv or talk comfortably on main floor while the drums are in the background. That's good enough for me. If you are REALLY doing it right, it better be your primary source of income and worth it. But to your point yes, don't trust " contractors" to be the expert on the subject, you need to get in there and tell them what to do and how to do it. Electric kits suck. Went down that route and it wasn't going to cut it.
@ajb-drums
@ajb-drums Ай бұрын
Well, it looks fantastic.
@kennardrum
@kennardrum Ай бұрын
As a full-time drummer, this is definitely one of the issues that make me sometimes ask myself, "Why did I choose to become a drummer?". I envy all my guitarist, bassist and keyboardist friends who can just literally setup anywhere in their house and play with their headphones on.
@luisfilipe5043
@luisfilipe5043 Ай бұрын
The drums chose you 😊
@houseofdyer
@houseofdyer Ай бұрын
I learned the same hard lesson when I spent about $7K reframing a room in my new house with a buddy contractor who just kinda winged it. It made almost 0 difference. Thanks for making this video, Jeff. Now teach me how to flawlessly tune and play my drums, please. 😂
@rileydeutsch9418
@rileydeutsch9418 Ай бұрын
I still hope you will do lessons!
@JeffRandallDrumming
@JeffRandallDrumming Ай бұрын
Absolutely!
@johnxywu
@johnxywu Ай бұрын
Like you, I'm also a drummer who learned this lesson the hard way. Wishing this video came three years earlier...
@ianwalton7893
@ianwalton7893 Ай бұрын
I do wonder Jeff whether a lot of the sound proofing difficulties you experienced come from the way American houses are constructed to start with. The US does tend to favour timber construction. I've had some experience of DIY sound proofing, and before I say "Oh it can definitely be done cheaper", I'd say it definitely all depends on what you are starting out with in the first instance. I completed two projects in the UK. The first was a home cinema built from the ground up in my garden in a previous house. The floor was concrete on the ground, so no extra treatment required. The walls were only 100mm block, but concrete block as opposed to breeze block. The flat roof was a typical timber construction, boarded and felted. The door was a normal timber exterior door. The treatment inside the room was where it all came in to play. The walls had 50mm x 50mm battens screwed to them but with 6mm dense rubber pads between the wall and the battens at each fixing point, which gives the room in a room concept you talk about. Between the battens was filled with 50mm high density rockwool slabs. Then 2 x 12.5mm plasterboard added with the joints of each layer completely caulked. The second layer was applied so the joints in the boards were staggered to the 1st layer. The ceiling was filled with rockwool then plasterboarded and caulked, then a false ceiling added 125mm lower with metal rails and acoustic tiles. A second internal door I made and filled with rockwool slabs was fitted in line with the inner wall, with both doors caulked and rubber seals added all around each door. This method, whilst I won't claim to be 100% sound proof, does produce amazing results. I used to sit in that cinema at 3am with a 400 watt subwoofer making visible dust fall from the acoustic tiles, without bothering my neighbours. You'd have to stand with your ear against the door outside to hear any noise leakage. The inside of the room was further treated with acoustic panels like you done, but that is more for controlling the acoustics within the room. But like I say, your starting foundation will be the biggest factor in how well any sound proofing method will work. I now live in France in a big old house with 20" thick stone walls doing most of the work for me. Windows and doors are the only real source of sound leakage here for me to worry about, which are quite easily treated with secondary glazing which can be set a good 14" inside the original windows due to the nice thick walls. Again with proper sealing of the secondary glazed units, the massive air gap between will completely take care of any soundleakage. Again it all comes down to what you are starting out with. Different methods for different scenarios I guess 🙂
@ianwalton7893
@ianwalton7893 Ай бұрын
One thing to add, is not to be seduced by all the exotic dedicated 'sound proofing' products out there. Adding the words sound proofing to a product instantly hikes its price! These products may or may not improve the sound proofing by a barely noticeable amount, but off the shelf products work just as well when used and applied correctly. Thick standard plasterboard double layered and properly sealed will work just as well as specialist sound proofing plasterboard. And green glue does practically nothing! Decoupling and filling every little air gap is the secret to having any chance of success 🙂
@JeffRandallDrumming
@JeffRandallDrumming Ай бұрын
Totally agree on it depending with what you’re starting with. With my studio being fairly large, upstairs with no concrete slab, and having large windows and 4 doors, it would have been very pricey.
@107guitarguy
@107guitarguy Ай бұрын
I once worked in a school as security. The school was installing a new booth next to the front door. On the opposite side of the wall is the auditorium that is used all day as the music orchestra class. I asked the director of facilities if he was installing proper sound proof material on the inside of the wall. I also asked if he was treating the ceiling and the floor. I also recommended sound proof material around the outlets sharing a wall with auditorium. I told him my experience as a musician and experience with studios. He just belittled me. Guess who was right. I left that job soon after and now they can not find a permanent replacement. You dont just make thicker walls and floors and call it a day. You would have needed material like Rockwool Safe n Sound between the wall and mass loaded vinyl rubber before that. You could have also put that under the raised floor. I also would have put thick rubber under with the rug over that under the drums. I have that under my sub in my studio so the bass doesnt carry into and across the floor. The door should have been treated as well. That would have seriously helped.
@diffph
@diffph Ай бұрын
hey Jeff, off topic, were you using a VAD506 as your edrum kit? Im using one as well and was wondering if its worth it to upgrade the hats to the vh14s? since we really hate the one the kit came with, i mean it was already but we're not that happy about it. just wondering if you upgraded yours?
@JeffRandallDrumming
@JeffRandallDrumming Ай бұрын
Hey, it’s a VAD504 kit and came with those new hi-hats. They’re really impressive. So is the ride btw. Lots of different nuances in the sound and they even respond to things like the amount of pressure you’re putting on the hi-hat pedal and playing on the top of the hats with the tip of your stick verses the edge with the shank. You can even splash ‘em. I’d definitely recommend them!
@emontzka
@emontzka Ай бұрын
I’m almost done building my drum room and it looks like it will come under $10k. I found that KZfaq channel and bought the book referenced by it and gave it to my contractor . I’m saving money because it’s very small, maybe 130 sq ft, and it’s in the basement which is over concrete slab, so no changes there. Two layers 5/8 drywall attached to resilient channel for walls and ceiling. Solid core doors and “sound maze” ventilation system.
@JeffRandallDrumming
@JeffRandallDrumming Ай бұрын
That’s fantastic! Sounds like you started with a room that made the job a bit less expensive for you. Unfortunately the room I chose was pretty large, not on a concrete slab, and had large windows and 4 doors.
@Louisdoranx
@Louisdoranx Ай бұрын
If it’s any consolation, a professional producer friend of mine sunk 50k+ into a basement studio build designed by audio treatment specialist just to have audible sound levels both upstairs and outside the house. You’re definitely not the only one who’s fallen foul of this
@sz1341
@sz1341 Ай бұрын
JR, What are your plans for dealing with heat this summer in your garage in your insulated box full of lights and computer?
@JeffRandallDrumming
@JeffRandallDrumming Ай бұрын
The booth has a ventilation system that I hooked a portable AC unit up to!
@WinfordM
@WinfordM 20 күн бұрын
Hey Jeff. I noticed you’ve mounting your lights since the move from the storage space. I’m curious to know how you’re mounting them?
@Bhatt_Hole
@Bhatt_Hole 3 күн бұрын
Neva gonna give you up....!!!!
@marc8vino
@marc8vino Ай бұрын
Great video. I really appreciate your thoughts and experience on this. Do you think a basement with high ceiling would be a lot easier? The floor and walls should not need as much treatment. Mostly just windows and ceiling right? I live in a condo with a concrete floor and the ground comes half way up the walls. one side is a fire wall with very thick concrete so those neighbors don't hear much, and almost never here. The other side is another bedroom and those neighbors are OK with day time noise for 4 hours or so. The upstairs neighbors are not around much as well and are cool with music for 4 hours. The third wall has a bathroom and past that is our living room.. So mostly one wall with a window with dirt half way up on one wall is the main issue and the ceiling. one door to the hallway. Do you think It's worth spending money to reduce the sound leaking a bit? This area is so expensive to live. We have no garage. This little 900 square foot 2 bed 2 bath condo goes for $750K. Buying a commercial space or a bigger home would be millions. Renting a space then sound proofing also seems like a waste of time and money. I'm really leaning into trying to do the best I can but a room in a room would take up too much space for my studio. Any thoughts?
@JeffRandallDrumming
@JeffRandallDrumming Ай бұрын
I’d reach out to a pro studio builder and get an assessment for sure. Going in your favor is the fact that you’re on a concrete slab which is crucial for reducing the vibration from the drums.
@marc8vino
@marc8vino Ай бұрын
@@JeffRandallDrumming Thanks for your thoughts.
@ivorjones9961
@ivorjones9961 Ай бұрын
So sorry Jeff, lesson learned, what is important you gained knowledge, you are wiser. You learn more from mistakes in life. Hope the sound booth works better, back to video content. I sure missed you, Thanks for your honesty.
@JoeyD913
@JoeyD913 Ай бұрын
In my opinion, the Whisper Rooms are overpriced by a lot. I think the largest is about 8x16 or something like that, and it's about $35k. I had a detached structure built on my property that is 14'x28'. There are two rooms (one a gym, one my drum studio). The larger room (my studio) is about 14x14. It has two layers of drywall on the walls and ceilings with green glue in between the layers, and the walls are decoupled from the studs using hat channels. This whole structure cost me about the same $35k. So I do think they are a little crazy with their prices, but $10k for the used one you found is awesome!
@mortenkalland
@mortenkalland Ай бұрын
I have heard that sand under the floor is used? Cool topic.
@jonathanfazio6290
@jonathanfazio6290 Ай бұрын
How is the stability of the double floors under your kit? Do you feel any bounce or give in the floor while playing?
@JeffRandallDrumming
@JeffRandallDrumming Ай бұрын
There’s definitely some bounce and give to them.
@jonathanfazio6290
@jonathanfazio6290 Ай бұрын
I figured there’d be a little bit of it. Do you find it distracting while playing at all ? Or is it more comparable to playing on drum riser and the bounce you get on that.
@JeffRandallDrumming
@JeffRandallDrumming Ай бұрын
It’s a little shifty but didn’t bother me after I got used to it.
@jonathanfazio6290
@jonathanfazio6290 Ай бұрын
@@JeffRandallDrumming cool, good to know. Seems like a really great option to go with! This was a helpful video you made. Us drummers are always trying to work on the noise levels of our instrument. It’s helpful to know what works and what doesn’t. Keep up the great work it’s much appreciated by your fellow drummers!
@jerrymckenzie1858
@jerrymckenzie1858 Ай бұрын
You still have a nice room suitable for videos and mixing.
@edgarsousa6630
@edgarsousa6630 Ай бұрын
Can you please use that same software and test the acoustic drum sound level vs your roland kit ?! That would be really useful. Thanks
@andrewcapili
@andrewcapili Ай бұрын
Would it benefit your situation to dampen more of the sound in the garage? Like a large rug in the rest of the garage? Maybe moving the rest of the acoustic panels from your upstairs room into the walls of the garage? I’m sure you’ve had that thought.
@JeffRandallDrumming
@JeffRandallDrumming Ай бұрын
That would only improve the acoustics within the garage itself. It wouldn’t really have any bearing on the sound outside of the garage.
@Altuz
@Altuz Ай бұрын
I know you also have your wife and daughter to consider so my comment is not directed solely toward you Jeff, but for the others who are in a situation where their neighbors are a factor I feel that a lot of money can be saved by simply having a conversation with your neighbors about your drums and a decent compromise of time of day and duration of playing.
@JTonthedrums
@JTonthedrums 24 күн бұрын
Feel your pain brotha Jeff. Going through this very struggle as we speak. Home recording for drummers is not as easy as all the "diy/doesn't cost that much... blah blah blah" say it is. Looking at a possible $40k + investment to do my room "Properly", but then we have to think about resale issues, as the neighborhood is so overly congested that we're most likely not going to stay here. Smh... Been a long time my dude, hope to run into ya sometime soon. Peace JT
@JeffRandallDrumming
@JeffRandallDrumming 23 күн бұрын
JT! It’s great to hear from you bud. The struggle is real. I hope you find a good solution for yourself!
@reapwhatyousow3383
@reapwhatyousow3383 Ай бұрын
i used vocal booth to go producers choice blankets on a 2x4 wood frame around my drums in the garage, doesnt bother anyone in the house or the neighbors and for my set up, its the cheapest best way to go for the average drummer. cost less than 1k and i can take it anywhere i go. I would prefer a set up like yours but for the average non professional drummer, you cant get better than vocal booth to go blankets.
@mattmarkus4868
@mattmarkus4868 Ай бұрын
more detail please "i used vocal booth to go producers choice..." what does that mean? What vocal booth? Where did you get it, what kind is it, how much is it, etc. You put a vocal booth on a 2x4 wood frame you built?
@nikdrown
@nikdrown Ай бұрын
Alright I have a kit and relatively close neighbors. If my windows are closed the sound going outside isn’t even audibly over the outside traffic noise. I am right by an outside wall too and no sound proofing whatsoever.
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