Why I HATE Senna

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The Noodle

The Noodle

Күн бұрын

In this video I break down Senna's kit to look at what makes her such a strong if not overpowered champion. If you made it all the way through and enjoyed it would be super helpful if you left a like and subscribed!
Comment what champions you wanna hear about in future videos!
Music used in this video
Katana Zero OST - End of the road
Video partially inspired by videogamedunkey, magikarpusedfly, chillingsmite, ryscu, vars

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@gambitgo
@gambitgo 4 ай бұрын
As a Mid main I hate Senna. I don't know why - but anytime there is an enemy Senna support they just live mid-lane. Every god damn time you trade, this B will come walking out the bush to claim a soul... and they are always so ballsy about it, they walk clean up like they are playing a tank.
@Im_TheNoodle
@Im_TheNoodle 4 ай бұрын
Don't forget the easy roaming with that E movement speed too haha.
@thestoebz
@thestoebz 4 ай бұрын
You must be playing with some dog ass Sennas lol. That shit wouldn’t fly in high elo
@deejayf69
@deejayf69 3 ай бұрын
One thing your forgot to mention is that her Q scales with her range. It's not enough to start with 1300 range, oh no no no! She needs more!
@Im_TheNoodle
@Im_TheNoodle 3 ай бұрын
True true. Yeah it wouldn't be senna if everything didn't scale haha.
@reavirus
@reavirus 4 ай бұрын
also played Katana Zero, the whole soundtrack is amazing, great video!
@Im_TheNoodle
@Im_TheNoodle 4 ай бұрын
It's my favorite game by far! I love the theme and visuals and Bill Kylie absolutely nailed the OST!
@nasodianlord4802
@nasodianlord4802 4 ай бұрын
I actually enjoyed the way you framed everything Not to be taken as an insult but you frame it kind of like Vars but without his higher impact voice, just calmly explaining what something does and why it's bullshit with enough matter of fact to be good, while there weren't a bunch of joke the way they were delivered flatly at least got a smile out of me, as if the joke wasn't a punch line just something to emphasize the salt
@Im_TheNoodle
@Im_TheNoodle 4 ай бұрын
I am beyond flattered! Thank you so much I'm glad you enjoyed it!
@TheYoDawg69
@TheYoDawg69 29 күн бұрын
Keep making videos on Senna the people need to know the truth
@backdemoletor4654
@backdemoletor4654 4 ай бұрын
Is this the new vars channel or what? Jokes aside quite a nice vid keep it up
@Im_TheNoodle
@Im_TheNoodle 4 ай бұрын
Thank you! Yeah I was so mad when I thought about doing these videos and then found his channel like a week later haha. Vars is fantastic though I like his stuff a lot.
@furyn9221
@furyn9221 4 ай бұрын
Lol would probably still buy and play her on WR, great vid! Also I hope that when you do Sona it's not hate cuz like why would you duhh XD
@Im_TheNoodle
@Im_TheNoodle 4 ай бұрын
Oooo sona will be a tricky one for sure but I'll put her on the list!
@furyn9221
@furyn9221 4 ай бұрын
Ohh I'll have that on my to watch list then
@mangodude6790
@mangodude6790 4 ай бұрын
This video has taught me that a person can describe any ability that has a lot of words to make it sound insane. Edit 1: Added "can" so the sentence means what I wanted it to. Changed the "you" to "a person" because this wasn't meant to be about you specifically. Edit 2: To actually talk about the criticism in the ad scaling is very strong, but we also have to remember she gets no ad from levels to compensate for her passive. For the ult its true it reaches across the map in 2 seconds, but it shows where its going to be so its pretty easy to dodge if you aren't already dodging a lot of things (but that's true for most abilities). The globalness of Senna's ult is oversold imo; it's a lot better to open team fights with. I also think you undersold how dangerous getting caught out with senna is. She has no get off me tools and slow autos. If you get jumped on as senna you are basically dead. The root won't help because of the windup. Lastly I think playing back is the wrong way to fight poke, because their strength is hitting you at a distance when you can't fight back. There are times to play back, but I think starting that way makes the poke player win the matchup. Don't get me wrong, Senna is not weak. She is incredibly strong and great at preventing people from all in-ing her. It is nice to hear what other players find frustrating about playing against Senna so I can exploit that more when I play her. The AP scalings might be a bit much because that has enabled me and others to build Zhonya's on Senna which feels wrong. This is a good video regardless of my disagreements with certain points. It also taught me the % current health damage is better than I remembered.
@Im_TheNoodle
@Im_TheNoodle 4 ай бұрын
I'll be using a whole lot of words in the future don't you worry.
@mangodude6790
@mangodude6790 4 ай бұрын
@@Im_TheNoodle Didn't mean to make the first message so personal. I was just thinking about league discourse in general. I visited the yone subreddit recently and realized I might be complaining about the true damage on e recast too much based on how it works.
@Im_TheNoodle
@Im_TheNoodle 4 ай бұрын
@@mangodude6790 you're all good! I appreciate the feedback and you're very respectful which not everyone tends to be 😅
@electraheart5749
@electraheart5749 4 ай бұрын
I almost one trick her She is squishy as hell and extremely team reliant Her root is short and has a delay Her healing is low Her ult is easy to miss
@alyssarichardson2544
@alyssarichardson2544 4 ай бұрын
pin this pls. plixy pl0x.
@WiboActual
@WiboActual 4 ай бұрын
Great video! Do one on Draven Please!
@Im_TheNoodle
@Im_TheNoodle 4 ай бұрын
Sir yes sir 🫡
@KinginTurqoise
@KinginTurqoise 16 күн бұрын
Thanks dollar store Vars
@Im_TheNoodle
@Im_TheNoodle 16 күн бұрын
🫡
@user-gt1ql6ro5n
@user-gt1ql6ro5n 4 ай бұрын
pls do asol, hes my permaban. Btw i think senna weaknes is her lack of mobility, so its super easy to get on her and her w takes 2 sec to root u, wich is more than enough time even for a tank to kill her. This is my personal opinion as a shen and rengar main i have a easy time against her, i just get on top of her and shes dead
@Im_TheNoodle
@Im_TheNoodle 4 ай бұрын
Yeah fair like I mentioned she is prone to cc like most ranged Squishies so that's super valid. And man is that the comment I've been waiting for! I despise asol and his rework so I'm glad you mentioned him, I will happily be making a video on him very soon.
@TheToox
@TheToox 4 ай бұрын
Do a video on Yasuo he’s the only champ that I just can’t seem to learn to counter play I’m not sure if it’s because I’m newer to league or what
@Im_TheNoodle
@Im_TheNoodle 4 ай бұрын
It's a lot of things but he's on the list for sure. He can be one of the most frustrating champions to lane against and how well you do against him entirely depends on both your skill and theirs. A slightly high elo yasuo can feel impossible to lane against so I wish you luck in improving!
@i0kiVids
@i0kiVids 4 ай бұрын
This video title breaks my heart. ... Great vid tho man!
@Im_TheNoodle
@Im_TheNoodle 4 ай бұрын
Awww man I'm sorry! I'm glad you enjoyed the vid, no hate to senna mains I swear!
@KyXnline
@KyXnline 4 күн бұрын
I don't think enough people understand that she starts with the base AD of Soraka (50 AD, 5 less than the second lowest marksman) and literally gains 0 per level. Sure. She infinitely scales. But she needs to get like 4-5 souls a minute to exceed another ADC in raw AD unless everyone in the game is level 18. And that's not accounting for senna support who makes much less gold.
@Vlad101
@Vlad101 4 ай бұрын
I dont have an issue with senna whatsoever and i feel like the champion is quite weak actually, yeah shes kind of strong in lane and then what? she gets one shot by the enemy tank, jungler or mid. Cho gath support is the real menace
@thestoebz
@thestoebz 4 ай бұрын
She’s highly skill dependent. A bad player will make her look horrid. A great player will absolutely smash your team
@Amirhosein-wq8mg
@Amirhosein-wq8mg 4 ай бұрын
U deserve more views ❤
@Im_TheNoodle
@Im_TheNoodle 4 ай бұрын
You're too kind!
@gizzy8632
@gizzy8632 4 ай бұрын
I've just decided to ban her everygame, she's too strong when her tuning allows for it and outscales way too fast.
@slbhugomarques2
@slbhugomarques2 4 ай бұрын
Good video, and i absolutely agree, I wonder why there's so few people complaining about her
@Im_TheNoodle
@Im_TheNoodle 4 ай бұрын
She's such an anomaly in that sense. I felt like there would've been a lot more people upset about her but there's a lot of die hard senna players.
@MoonMoon28834
@MoonMoon28834 4 ай бұрын
Senna is my #1 ban
@Im_TheNoodle
@Im_TheNoodle 4 ай бұрын
SAME
@mulan-jinglesemusicas1513
@mulan-jinglesemusicas1513 4 ай бұрын
i never banned her before i a Senna critted me from another zip code now it is perma ban
@moonlight8451
@moonlight8451 4 ай бұрын
I would LOVE a video on why you *and everyone else* HATE(s) Yone. I still have no idea why half of his abilities are the way they currently are ( free zed AND ekko R on his E , his R is not only a blink *not a dash* but is also unstoppable ... shouldnt you be rewarded if you managed to stun him in the 0.2 seconds during which he channels his R, instead of being laughed at as he blinks through your only cc and then one shots you ... and dont even get me started on ALL the buffering he has - why even stun him when half of his sht gets casted through the stun anyway)
@Im_TheNoodle
@Im_TheNoodle 4 ай бұрын
Oh yeah he is going on the list for sure. great suggestion!
@Cricket0021
@Cricket0021 4 ай бұрын
I fucking hate how they added a bunch of shit to his kit as well. Like, the W shield and his E giving him a movement speed bonus. Like, his E doesn't need the ms, imo. Feels like the new champions are just the developers having a competition on who has the best OC by turning them into champions
@Im_TheNoodle
@Im_TheNoodle 4 ай бұрын
I'm surprised I haven't seen a K'sante request yet. He's got the same problems.
@moonlight8451
@moonlight8451 4 ай бұрын
@@Im_TheNoodle even though he takes you on a map-long journey to fck you up as a tank, at least when hes in a fight...hes actually in a fight.
@Im_TheNoodle
@Im_TheNoodle 4 ай бұрын
@@moonlight8451 hey that's a fair point. No shadow clone jutsu bs with him.
@lunkenn3944
@lunkenn3944 4 ай бұрын
imagine crying over her gaining ad from her passive when litterly every single champ in the game does this its called leveling up and senna starts with 50ad and gets a INSANE +0.0 ad per level
@Im_TheNoodle
@Im_TheNoodle 4 ай бұрын
Well I'm aware she has to have some kind of scaling in order to keep up with other champions that do it naturally, but it's obviously less impressive early game where her passive percent health damage helps make up for it along with her q poke. My issue with the scaling being infinite is that she decisively outclasses other champions with her damage in later game where most champions have their growth limited by base stats.
@chillchinna4164
@chillchinna4164 4 ай бұрын
‘Yasuo’s windwall doesn’t work against her’ ah yes. Cheese the bullshit with more bullshit. I will not weep for the yasuo players.
@Im_TheNoodle
@Im_TheNoodle 4 ай бұрын
Nor will I, my friend . Nor will I.
@dzopix
@dzopix 4 ай бұрын
cant decide who i despise more senna and senna players OR evelynn and evelynn players
@Im_TheNoodle
@Im_TheNoodle 4 ай бұрын
A question as old as time that we may never be able to answer.
@morningglory2129
@morningglory2129 3 ай бұрын
For me most senna players are reallly reallly bad at the game and suck at spacing. Only reason she dosent have a rediculous winrate, that and people trying to surrender at the 5min mark
@AaronINDRIAGO
@AaronINDRIAGO 4 ай бұрын
I hate Senna but also love her, it's a pretty fun adc but I have this curse whenever she is on my team I immediately lose, it's my bad luck charm. Can we talk about yasuo and yone? Their unstoppable ults are just annoying, they throw you into the air so you can't do nothing besides no matter if they go 0/30 they will just delete you
@Im_TheNoodle
@Im_TheNoodle 4 ай бұрын
Yes sir they are definitely on the hate list!
@pokebattler831
@pokebattler831 4 ай бұрын
great vid, unfortunately stuff like this will never get riot to change anything about their game, their ego is too huge and they believe any opinion made by anyone outside the company is irrelevant cause they think we are dumb.
@Im_TheNoodle
@Im_TheNoodle 4 ай бұрын
I actually try to keep up with a lot of updates, news, etc that comes from rioters or riot themselves and I definitely understand the frustrations that most players have with the company. I personally have grown past that frustration because I understand that them being such a massive and running such a complex and enormous game can be really difficult. Obviously balancing based on numbers alone causes problems and you can't take every single player's feelings into consideration and my opinion holds as much value as someone who plays the game once a week. So it is what it is I suppose. Im not asking for a senna rework or anything to that extreme but bringing some other champions similar to senna to her standard of abilities would be pretty nice!
@krishyb
@krishyb 4 ай бұрын
She is definitely a lot stronger in lower elo, where people rarely keep track of what the enemy does and let her poke. I used her to get into gold with a fairly high winrate and it always felt like my goal was to just make my adcs useless by outscaling them. The heal is far from enchanter worthy, but building lethality does help quite a lot anyways. I think the worst thing about her is that she literally competes with her adc and scales even better if she steals kills
@Im_TheNoodle
@Im_TheNoodle 4 ай бұрын
Yeah it really plays into the "fine I'll carry myself" play style. Obviously her heal isn't very strong especially compared to proper enchanters but it definitely doesn't make her any weaker.
@goldarf4365
@goldarf4365 4 ай бұрын
first off great vid, you got way to few subs and views for this quality. second il just throw my 2 cent in the ring as , not a senna main but senna enjoyer. i feel her main weakness comes early and against any assassin that can jump on her. early she has one of the lowest hp max in the game and you can feel that if you go to aggressive with her, she can poke long range yes but poke a little to much and you can easily find yourself losing flash or even dying, so it looks like she should play more supportive early but her q got a decently long cd and high mana cost on top of not healing that much early. all of this is of course to balance out her infinite scaling late game but that means if she falls behind there is a good chance that you will be blown up by poke or assassins rather than you being the one doing the blowing up. finally i also feel like in my experience you have 2 choices with her every game, either go adc and get more gold in exchange for stacks or you are a supp and you get more stacks but at the cost of having lower income meaning you scale slower from items. i think the best think i can say about her kit is its really a win more kit. if you can win lane and not fall behind to hard you can abuse her passive to gain more and more stacks and win the game harder .... until you get blown up by an assassin because your still a super squishy marksmen with no real escape tool outside her W 9that most of the time only goes of after they kill you) this is all just my experience from playing senna (and league as a hole) very casually at relatively low ranks
@Im_TheNoodle
@Im_TheNoodle 4 ай бұрын
An excellent two cents! Yes you're very right, her early game is usually her downfall and making through that usually means she will have decent success. She's given some really strong tools to help herself out as well even if it can be selfish sometimes but obviously in a meta that doesn't revolve around adc it makes a lot of sense.
@NatushVain
@NatushVain 4 ай бұрын
I’m a senna main, understandable have a nice day
@Im_TheNoodle
@Im_TheNoodle 4 ай бұрын
I respect the hell out of that.
@TRIGER0N
@TRIGER0N 4 ай бұрын
senna main here, Tbh i agree with you at the most things, she is scaling like crazy, especially when you build right items on her, she has good amount of sustain on lane, and she outpokes most of adc's. Problem with her is that she is so squishy, that every lethality build whether on adc or on assasin can destroy her (like mf, rengar, lee sin), she hates poke mages bcs she is oneshoted at lvl 6 by the most of them (xerath, lux, zyra), just like the poke adc (smolder, ezreal), she cant take any good engage on her(tham, shen, naut and etc.). Well you could say "just posision her good", and that's true, but you can't always do that, in a fight you have many variables and not always you can expect them all. Overall when senna is not focused, she has great potential in teamfight's just aswell on lane, but the biggest weakness of her (as a half-joke) is her team. Many people hate senna or doesn't have a clue what she does so they treat her like a bait or engage supp, so for example when enemy engages, champs like ezreal or any other adc with boost to movement just runs away in any elo up to low diamond (from my experience). Also i have a request, do a hate video on zyra XD
@Im_TheNoodle
@Im_TheNoodle 4 ай бұрын
Great input I appreciate that. And wow we have a zyra hater! I never thought I'd see that but I'll definitely put her on the list!
@giovanni9682
@giovanni9682 4 ай бұрын
Neeko would be fun
@Im_TheNoodle
@Im_TheNoodle 4 ай бұрын
I just put out a post about future vids and I think I'll put Neeko in her own category because I actually really like her but I know her gameplay is kind of unhealthy so stay tuned for that!
@thestoebz
@thestoebz 4 ай бұрын
Senna is my favorite champ. You make her seem unstoppable or something, but she’s hard countered by champions like Zac and Maokai. Even ADCs like Ashe can beat her ass.
@Im_TheNoodle
@Im_TheNoodle 4 ай бұрын
Yeah no doubt she has counters like everyone else I definitely can't deny that. Especially tanks since they're hard for most champions to deal with. She just has a distinct advantage over a lot of marksmen due to her nature and there are definitely some exceptions that have an advantage or tools to deal with her in lane. I do want to ask, what makes you like senna so much? Play style, kit, lore, etc. I'd love to know.
@bleachmonkey2884
@bleachmonkey2884 4 ай бұрын
swain pls
@Im_TheNoodle
@Im_TheNoodle 4 ай бұрын
Aye aye captain!
@beanskurt3
@beanskurt3 4 ай бұрын
good video, personally i hate senna because my teammates play her like jfk's lobotmised sister and decide its a good idea to run into melee range of the enemy lv1 and singlehandedly lose lane cause they cant resist losing a stack and not getting hit by every single hook or pantheon stun
@reycontreras4656
@reycontreras4656 4 ай бұрын
For the algorithm!
@Im_TheNoodle
@Im_TheNoodle 4 ай бұрын
A hero!
@Crescentmoon1
@Crescentmoon1 4 ай бұрын
All you haters mad she a adc take y'all a L's
@WillSindra
@WillSindra 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the vid! For context, not an OTP but she is in my pool - I just want to share my perspective. For the most part, post mid-game, everything you speak about is correct. She scales super hard, is not difficult to pilot and is straight up, unfair. Most of this though is strictly based on the vector of infinite scaling, there should be no such thing in the game (Veigar, Nasus, Asol, now Smolder - all ridiculous at 30+ minutes), especially in a game where the other 95% of the roster is locked to 6 items and are capped/gated behind percentage scaling tags on their skills. One thing you missed is the importance/imbalance of the additional gold generation (in a lane that suffers the most from it). It's quite easy to hit 100 stacks around ~20 minutes, which translates to an +800g advantage on the enemy support, or two long swords (20AD) and some change. This is more prevalent than ever because of the removal of armour shards. Outside of those points, I don't agree with how you make her out to be an untouchable cheat code in the early game. Her base AD (50) is extremely low, especially this season given the World Atlas does not give AD; she's a nuisance at best if she can get a decent trade by timing the Fleet proc with Q cooldown (proccing passive is where her early damage is, not 2x AA and Q). She suffers from resource issues, needing Presence of Mind, Manaflow band, a Tear or any combination based on preference/play style. Her low base attack speed and attack wind-up time make for terrible sustained (equal) trades, and she's immobile (any early aggressive ADC wipes her). Engage tanks and mages with high base damage punish her really hard on one misplay/bad positioning, especially with how much burst is in the game now. She may not be difficult to pilot, but identifying trade windows, managing resources, and utilising non-champion targets to hit champions with Q gives her a bit of a skill ceiling. Hitting Qs off minions in lane (early) is a gamble that you have to land, else you're left with no damage/heal, a massive cooldown, and -25% of your mana. Placing wards to land a Q can also be challenging to learn and line-up. Simply complaining that she can Q off almost anything is one dimensional. Her ult is super strong but you need to pick your moments, which means you need to watch the map and other lanes. It's good practice to do so, but a necessity on Senna. Also, being able to pierce Yasuo's W leverages her pick as the only counter to it, I don't believe it should be framed the other way. Yes, that glorious wind has a 'big' cooldown, but it's a basic ability that completely nullifies champions (like Orianna), which also shouldn't exist in its current capacity. You can argue Yas is a high skill ceiling champ, but in this case your only tool for defense (the globule W) will still get deleted by the wind, even if it's a pixel away from connecting, because of how his W is generated (from the centre of his model). Once he gets on top of you it's over; he has a higher movespeed value, is mobile and can catch you with a Q/EQ/flash EQ, as well as for the above reasons. Knowing and pacing kiting distance applies to all champions versus Yasuo, but it's not as eyes-closed on Senna as its made out to be here. Again, just sharing my perspective, I don't mean to be condescending, for all I know you have 1mil+ mastery on her. I'm only trying to help out for future content, your presentation is great. If you dissect and address absolutely every variable and pick your shots (like your discussion on her E) the series has potential, and you cover all the salty Andys on the side. I just felt here there were far better champions and balancing issues to kick off your series concept, like Katarina or Yone, who don't get punished for misplay and don't have the consequence of resource management, unlike Senna. Take care and good luck with the channel!
@Im_TheNoodle
@Im_TheNoodle 4 ай бұрын
Great take honestly especially from someone with a lot of experience on her which is way more than I have. I definitely agree with a lot of what you say and me pointing out yasuos wind wall was definitely being a little dramatic. I suppose my frustration with the champion comes from the insane amount of small accoutrements that she gets while other champions with similar abilities don't get half as many. Obviously yasuos wind wall is straight up broken there's no denying that and picking senna as a "counter" to him just wouldn't make any sense. I do wish that lucians q had more flexibility with how it was used as it would bring his gameplay up so much more. It's bizarre to me to see an ability that does so many things be able to target almost anything while one that strictly does damage can only target enemies. Again just being salty here but they could throw some love to champions with similar abilities to make them feel more fresh. If thresh had different ways to collect souls or got different benefits that actually made him feel more like an infinite scaler it could really make his late game a lot more interesting imo. But hey I thank you for your input it is all very interesting to hear!
@WillSindra
@WillSindra 4 ай бұрын
​@@Im_TheNoodle If I could make a change to his wind wall I'd make it destructible - maybe 3 hits and it would break? Senna is quite overloaded for stats but she has to scale for those vectors to become relevant. That's most likely due to the fact she's a newer champion, and their design philosophy has shifted over the years. It doesn't make sense for her passive to be so loaded in a 4 button game when half the roster have passives that offer just one thing (what a passive should be). It would be appropriate if every champion had equal loading to Senna's passive, but imo Riot both simply can't manage and don't care enough for a more balanced game. The mechanical behaviour of Lucian Q is attributed to the fact he's an older champion, but over time with their psychotic buff only mentality his passive has become quite loaded too, honestly before they pulled back on it to change the magic damage from just being enchanted, it was worse than Senna's. He still can Q minions/champions and damage entities behind so in a sense they are similar. Same can be said for Thresh, if he was released today he'd have a book for a passive/his W. Technically he is also an infinite scaling champion, just in the odd sense of armour/AP. I personally can't stand him, he does way more damage than Senna with 3x the armour, but that's just me, and a rant for another day. But you're most welcome, I hope it helped at least a little and it makes your future content fire. Best of luck :)
@Im_TheNoodle
@Im_TheNoodle 4 ай бұрын
@@WillSindraYou're awesome, I appreciate the insight!
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