And you're all the better for it!

Bro same, this is what I grew up with and what I’ve held on to during my 3-4 years of cancer…

I think more people like them the longer it was released and the more they watched.

One and two are complete masterpieces but number 3 wasn’t nearly as good. I still loved it and it was a great movie but cant compare to the first two. The fourth and fifth are terrible.

@@-landon-9002 I personally think the fourth was mediocre and the fifth absolute trash. I'm just glad all the characters from the trilogy in the fourth one were mostly themselves

Davy is definitely more dangerous than Barbossa. Even if Hector also needs to be handled with extreme care... He's much more of a *pirate's* pirate than Jack ever was!

It also can't be understated how human he feels. He is a pretty tragic character and underneath all of that ridiculous design is buried a very human person. Also it's interesting how in Pirate movies symbol of Calypso is a Crab and Davy Jones is part crab and part octopus or squid. And octopuses eat crabs so his form is in a way personification of Davy's hatred for Calypso, but also his love for her because parts of him are still that of a crab and those crab parts are the ones that both make him stronger (his claw) and weaker (his peg leg). A food for thought... a sea food if you will.

@@AzraelSoulHunter That's some deeper analysis on the animal parts than I ever would've imagined! Good job. 😱 And yes indeed, the humanity of Mr. Squid-face really helps a lot. He's more than a throwaway background villain; he's quite a developed real person; interesting in his own right, even away from "ye olde classic Jack-love".

Bill Nighy did ham it up like there's no tomorrow as Davy Jones. It works but I think Nighy was leaning into the ridiculousness. It's the same with Barbossa. Geoffrey Rush was having the time of his life and I think he was the saving grace of Pirates 5. Yeah, Pirates 5 was pointless, aside from the Will and Elisabeth reunion (the only scene in the entire movie that had any real reason to exist), and Jack's character was butchered (he would never give away his compass for anything, not even rum, because even without the context of Salazar being after him, he was very attached to his "effects") but Rush makes that movie at least somewhat worth watching.

@@tomnorton4277 Davy's acting is indeed quuuiiiite mental! Seriously, what WAS that guy smoking?? He does have a pipe. Maybe seaweed? Could he be suffering from seaweed-brain??? And yer rrrright on the money about Geoffrey Rush. The guy is an absolute treasure! He's indeed basically single-handedly what little saving grace film 5 does have. And I should rewatch it one day for that alone. I also like him in Gods of Egypt and Les Miserables. He's SO cool. And I love the story PotC director Gore Verbinski tells about being called while in the supermarket and it was Rush to discuss yet more ideas for his character. That guy took his role SERIOUSLY!! And it shows. 😎

For sure! Didn’t make me mad as a kid, just a bit sad.

Which is why (in part) that the 5th film was such a poor film. Not only did Jack Sparrow become a parody of himself, the plot should've been a build up of films 5-6 for trying to get Poseidon's trident and removing the curse like how 2-3 were for Davey Jones' heart.

@@zanfear right!? Like Jack just wasn’t Jack! I wanted to punch the screen so many times during that film! While I appreciate the attempt at trying to get Will free, it wasn’t executed well and just-gaaaaaaaaaaaaah. I’m gonna stop before I start keyboard smashing in all caps…….

I didn't watch all the trailers for the 4th pirates movie (as on that time I only new Spanish [my native language] and in Mexico we only got like 1 trailer on TV at that time) so I thought the 4th movie would solve that, creating a happy ending for Will and Elisabeth.

@@PrincessMeggala0913 the because in 4 and 5 Jack got "flanderised"

@@bullymaguire9987 they should have though, good things must come to an end, otherwise they just end up parodying itself. Look at the new Star Wars movies, too good of a brand to let die, but they ended up killing it themselves through an utterly disastrous bastardisation of the Original Trilogy

3-4 is funnier

I disagree, 4-5 were good as well.

@@bullymaguire9987 every sequel adds meaning to the first film in a series, too many proceeding movies and the original feels smaller

it's not just Disney, Universal (F&F) and Paramount (Star Trek) are just as bad. The joys of capitalism, keep it going so long as it makes money.

Can't argue that!

Na, master and commander did better ;)

@@mrshovelbottom7475 I meant to say "one of the best" because I also love Master and Commander, as well as the Ben-Hur (2016) sea battle, the 300:Rise of an Empire sea battle, and if WW2 counts then this is the best: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/q7uXe9qm07Lee2Q.html

PotC 3 sea battle is certainly epic. But it is also the same ships going at it again that did in DMC. With two full fleets lying just off-screen, going otherwise completely ignored. I find it very difficult to believe that was the original plan. Why write an entire story to work up two fleets, only to then *not* use them?? Thank goodness for us Dutch and the film "Michiel de Ruyter" aka. "Admiral: Command and Conquer" aka. "Sea Battles: The Movie". FINALLY get to see some proper fleet-on-fleet action too!! I also have a soft spot for the ending sea battle in Cutthroat Island. EEEEEPIC music too, plus they did basically *everything* live action AND full-scale. So when that final ship gets completely blown to smithereens, that was *literally 100% real*!! 😱

@@pieterboelen2862 it's probably because it would have been very silly to see two ships destroy 50-100 boats all at the same time. And the movie is already very long and bloated. And that would be alot more expensive, it was just to show how under power they were

ahh ikr!! DMTNT looked all clean and artificial compared to the trilogy.

Love the mindset. Don't let others' disdain ruin your enjoyment!

Yes, it’s up there with the Lord of the Rings trilogy

@@sayyidf.b.6378 And the Dark Knight trilogy.

@@sayyidf.b.6378 Yep, those are certainly the best trilogies ever made.

I like 1 and 2 but don't like 3 that much. too many storylines going on in that one

ANNAMARIA! I’m so sad she wasn’t in the last two buuuuut Zoe Zaldana is famous now or something 😉

I want a Pintel, Ragetti and Gibs spin-off show so bad. Provided its writing is taken seriously and it does something to gloss over/ignore the events of POTC 4 and 5.

You mean the Kraken? It is a sea monster from the norse mythology, of course it makes sense in a pirate fantasy film.

@@timrosswood4259 The Kraken was a common myth in the West Indies during the period the films take place, in a similar way as the Flying Dutchman, although I do not think they were considered related back then.

I don't think the kraken is a myth though perhaps exaggerated. I think it's just elusive like Nessie and Bigfoot.

@@sonjastarr1364 It would have been based off a Giant squid, which do reside in ocean water.

@@sonjastarr1364 I think if you’re going to believe myths then don’t say that they’re not myths but instead maintain a personal definition of the term myth.

Completely agree!

Cause the movie is about more than which has the cooler, scarier villain.

For me...I love them both...but 3 is absurdly long...and 2 has a bit too much filler and stupid moments.

@@drewpeacock9087 Yeah, you know I mentioned 4 other things in my comment besides the villain, right?

@@ISetYourFaceOnFire Yeah I can see what you mean by filler. The whole first act when they're on that Island with the natives was pretty pointless, but once the whole crew is back together and Davey Jones is introduced, the pacing is great.

I love them both, the argument my brother and I typically have is which is best, and I will defend Curse of the Black Pearl to the death in that respect.

right even jack was sooo dumb down to make her standout , they didn't even do that to elizabeth cause she knows how to carry herself ...their characters is far more different..

@@badomens8465 People forget that Jack was perhaps the smartest person in the entire franchise

so she was annoying because she's smart ? lol heard that before. I mean, just because the pirates aren't book smart does not mean they are not sea smart....in other words, they are smart in things they are passionate about like sea and life. There is nothing wrong with that. Carina being one of the first women in the franchise that is smart because she reads books is refreshing...she is still vulnerable and 'dumb' to the ways of a pirate. She is clearly not meant to believe in ghosts or the pirate life because she is a woman of science....that is pretty valid lol also, why are you comparing her to Elizabeth when they are two different characters with differing goals. Carina was not meant to be a copy of Lizzy. That would just be sad. I like Elizabeth's characters as a person but if I had to point out how she's the annoying one it would be that she can't pick a man haha. Woman be kissing them all. Now that is annoying.

@@O_Ciel_Phant0mhive How the hell was she smart or even remotely close to the first smart woman in the franchise? Outside of scientific aptitude, which means nothing if you have nothing else, she was moronic. She had no idea how to handle herself in a situation despite being on her own all her life. Her plan of action in every situation is to declare, "I'm a woman of science!" and then wondering why people were constantly after her, so we can add incapable of learning and adapting from the past, which I might point out is definitively the opposite of science so I don't know where she gets that high regard of herself. Elizabeth's intelligence and strength were beyond admirable and on full display whenever she was on screen. She had the fortitude to hold her own in the presence of the brethren court. She was able to charm and deceive Sao Feng without even knowing what was going on, being able to efficiently piece together Barbossa's plan. She was able to use the pirate's code to command the court and effectively rally them to fight. I can keep going. She was able to bargain face to face with lord Beckett, and not just at gunpoint but was able to match Beckett's game of 3D chess with her own game. From the beginning, she very effectively deceived Barbossa and the crew of the Black Pearl, despite the irony of the situation. The only flak I give her is that it was pretty stupid of her, once she realized Barbossa didn't intend to kill her to break the curse, to not then use the fact that she knew who they needed to her advantage. Elizabeth was so far beyond Carina she eliminates any competition.

And I can argue these points all day. I may not be Stephen King but I've written a variety of female characters all across the spectrum and I know the poorly written ones when I see them

They are so good! And thanks for the kind words!

Thank you! Dead man’s chest is the superior movie in my opinion. The creators truly gave the characters a much better written story arcs in part two! ☠️☠️☠️

They were incredibly silly while the first had a better atmosphere

@@RobertsThoughts I don't know I like all equally

Wait, i thought people considered dead man's chest to be the best one

Themes don't a good movie make.

Oh no, was I accidentally discussing fanmade films?? ;)

@@RobertsThoughts Basically that's what they were.

I guess I have a different clock to most people then cos I thought it was very well paced just like the other two.

Wait, there were two more? Huh. I don’t remember two more being made………….😉

Maybe some people just love to hate on them because it became cool to do so ? While the 3rd movie isn’t perfect, the trilogy is still fantastic and all three movies going hand in hand together. But it might be similar to the Prequels hate, it’s cool to hate them. But I might also be biased because I watched the PoC movies growing up so I’m definitely more attached to them

With good reason!

Good man!

Aye Cap'n

Legend.

This is a great way to put it, especially your last paragraph. I do think Jack becomes more selfless by the end of 3, but you're right, it is W&E who have the biggest thematic and character roles

why was the story not relevant. That's what I want to know. Is it really bad to start off something new ? why is everyone so focused on only one couple when there are other great characters in the franchise that I would personally love to know more about them and their story overall. They did that with Barbossa and his daughter...no one talks about that when it was a really nice story to be told.

When I saw At World's End in the theater, I left wanting to see the next adventure for finding the Fountain of Youth. On Stranger Tides was alright in that regard, but more could've and should've been done with Black Beard.

@@O_Ciel_Phant0mhive its not that it couldn’t be relevant. Its that jack as a character by that point is not changing. He works best as a supporting character, where he can be seen doing all his amazing stunts and schemes without the need to change too much. Writing a main character the basics is in sending them through situations that change them.

BlackBeard should be one of the most famous characters in pirate history and main character in Assassin Creed Black flag and one piece had a little interest in Pirates of Caribbean . Funny that I played the game before watching this part and had lots of prospect with BlackBeard in film but I didn't liked him there and all that hope was crushed.

Nice!!!!!! My best friend and I saw it at midnight and dressed up! It was awesome. We loved 3.

Getting pulled out of school for any reason would make the best day of my life!

Never thought of it that way. I like that!

@@RobertsThoughts so do I we should probably kiss

Barbosa was passable in 4, but 5 made him into an idiot.

I like that we can see some past from jack sparrow

@@TheReptain it’s satisfying in a hollow/fanservice-y kind of way. He was the perfect character to come in and take over the show and then leave a chaotic mess of confusion behind. Understanding what made him into what he was for the movies takes away from the “who the hell is this guy” depiction that defines his character more than the story of the character itself. He was more of a symbol of chaos and freedom upending William/Elizabeth’s lives than a complete entity, but it was perfect and it made for one of my all time favorite characters in a series.

Exactly. They probably thought it would be good fan service bringing back Will and Elizabeth , but they did it in a way that corrupted their characters :/

So much made me mad about the 5th movie

it was ruined the day they'd left her in an island alone waiting for will for 10 freaking years . she's the pirate king ffs

yea they shouldve shown her getting back from like an adventure with her crew or sm

@@badomens8465 absolutely! But honestly, the 3rd movie leaves enough room for interpretation and I always thought she was going back on some ship. I mean, 10 years! There is no way she was spending that much time on a secluded island

Thanks so much for saying that! I'm glad you noticed. I try really hard to focus on why I love things over why I don't, and like you said, it's more about being disappointed that 4&5 don't live up to the highs of 1-3. :) Thanks for watching!

This is how I feel as well. 4 may not be as strong as the first 3 but to me it is still fun to watch. I loved the relationship between Jack and Angelica and while Blackbeard was sadly undermined compared to Beckett and Davy Jones, he still had his moments that made him a threat plus the actor did a great job considering the script he was given. Side characters were also memorable and there were actual jokes and funny moments regardless of how some jokes sometimes were a bit forced. Jack still acted like Jack and the writers knew this and respected that. Compare that to the horrible 5th movie where Jack all of a sudden was dumb and not like Jack at all. None of the new characters were interested and Barbossa and Salazar were the only two to carry the movie. Barbossa was wasted in the end but that was mostly because Geoffrey Rush wanted it to be his final movie. The ending of the 5th movie disrespects the whole lore and story of the trilogy to make a happy ending. While the 4th movie has its lame moments it at least tries to do something interesting with the fountain of youth and does have a decent message of ridding the world of an obsession like the fountain, making the fountain a legend for the modern world (ours). Barbossa’s story in this one was sad and full of revenge which I was rooting for him to win and kill Blackbeard. To me I only watch the trilogy and the 4th movie and ignore the 5th movie. Just my opinion.

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Neither are horrible. Its just bandwagoning. Any of these crticisms easily apply to all 3. Same goes with star wars. GoTs. Etc. People just like to hate on the newest stuff.

Ian Mcshane saves #4. 5th one 🤮

@@Wylie288 I wouldn’t say I hate the fifth one. I’m disappointed with it. It has a decent plot and the ideas and the effects and designs used like the ghosts and the colors used are beautiful. The scene with young Jack outsmarting Salazar is my favorite scene in the movie and Barbosa And Salazar make the movie interesting. Plus Salazar actually had some good moments where he was genuinely threatening. Sadly the story was contrived to give Elizabeth and Will a happy ending plus the fact that Will was cursed means he started betraying his role as captain of the Dutchman which would have been nice to see why he suddenly started not doing his duties. There are so many other issues with the fifth movie. I see the potential in it but it was wasted.

4 is so underrated imo

Yea i enjoyed all but im a johnny depp fan

Exactly number 4 is good I love that one.

4 is good. It just feels a little bit off after the first 3. But it is a good movie and I enjoyed it

No doubt

Yeah, I don't know what happened with Verbinski -- whether he left on his own, or they got rid of him -- they shouldn't have made the rest after he left.

@@TomEyeTheSFMguy I think Verbinski just felt that the story was done after 3, and wanted to move on to other projects like Rango. The screenwriters stuck around for 4 , but one of them dropped out during the troubled production of 5 :/

Elizabeth and Will's love were just limited to 1 day ashore for 10 years

@@getnaenaed8063 That's it! Thanks 👍

@@getnaenaed8063 oof. pretty bad deal they got there. If Elizabeth lives to 70 (doubtful, since they don't have modern medicine), thats like 4 or 5 days they get together

It's definitely better than 5! It doesn't totally knock me off my Pirates high after I watch it the way 5 does.

100% pirates 4 not that bad

I don’t think its bad just unnecessary, and not as good*

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@@virtualpilgrim8645 well good day to you too.

That is a surprisingly good way of putting it.

Very true. Would have been better if he wasn’t in that ridiculous wig for the last two films though. I missed his pirate garb…..it makes me so mad that the rides in DLand and Dworld left him in that ridiculous costume and not his classic pirate garb……or Blackbeard being in the waterfall tunnel….oof. Again, I could rant about how much I do not like 4 and 5 til the cows come home but I’ll stop before it turns into a keyboard smashing rant in all caps…..

CLEARLY YOU HAVEN’T MET ME. Haha. I am a huge pirates fangirl. I saw the first two films six times in the theater, the 3rd one, seven. I love them so much.

……..my best friend and I wrote fanfiction about it………we were very bad writers in high school…………

I am tired of people saying 2 and 5 are bad films! 2 and 3 are not only amazing, I feel they are BETTER than the first one. 4 and 5 might not be as good as the trilogy, but that was never their purpose!

i wouldnt call 2 and 3 bad but they every movie from the first was worse than the last in my opinion, so 1 = glorious 2 = great 3 = good 4 = bad 5 = didnt bother watching and not planning to from what i have seen

YUP. While I’ll always be a Jack girl, Will and Elizabeth are hands down one of the best cinematic couples to ever exist. THEY GET MARRIED IN A FREAKING MAELSTROM FOR GOODNESS SAKES. I love them so much

yeah the other pirates just sit there lol

exactly KSJRJSIA they all celebrating after doing nothing was ?-?-?!?!

The first one is definitely my favorite because like you said, amidst the supernatural, it is grounded. And that's an awesome, fun personal story!

@@RobertsThoughts Grounded, but also feels limited in scope. 2 and 3 in my opinion both do a lot more to expand on all the supernatural and cultural mythos of the sea

Even though LotR is my favorite trilogy, I just can't fault your pick :)

precisely my opinion

Just stories idiots tell about jack... yknow inside the universe

@@Elamado97 I feel like pirates is more than comedy. For me it is a tale told from a sailors perspective. For me, it's about freedom and what people are or should be willing to sacrifice for it.

@@Elamado97 but I love Lord of the rings, and it still amazes me that those movies were ever made!

CAPTAIN WILL TURNERRRRR! Hehe. Five just ruined so much of Will with making him all gross and yuck. YALL. No. The only reason Davy Jones was a huge tentacle monster was because he betrayed his duty and corrupted everything Calypso charged him with to do. WILL DID HIS JOB THANK YOU VERY MUCH HE WAS HUMAN AT THE END OF THE CREDITS SCENE IN 3. STOP IT.

That's so cool! I love when theaters do that

I never thought 4 was that bad, but it only exists because the end of 3 teased it a cheap way that ruined the ending of a great trilogy.

SAME. I did like that they finally gave us mermaids though…..heh. But that was the only good thing about 4………..

@@PrincessMeggala0913 I completely forgot about how awesome the mermaids were. Best scene for sure

The music was absolutely amazing. I have all three soundtracks in my Spotify. I have the piano music too! I used “He’s A Pirate” in my graduation photo slideshow! Hehe

Thanks!

Wait, what??

DO NOT GET ME STARTED. Five just ruined him. COMPLETELY ruined him. At least in four he was still himself……….

The first one is considered to be great, while the second two have quite a deal of skeptics. I was also in elementary/middle when these were coming out and it wasn't until I talked to people older than me that I realized they weren't loved

@@RobertsThoughts Ok, interesting. Maybe here in Germany they were overall percived better.

I'd actually argue that he didn't become a parody of himself until 4&5. He's still very clever and resourceful in 2&3. For example, when he escaped being eaten and the fight with Davy Jones at the end of 3 And I think I'm just too in the "film Twitter" side of movie discussion where lots of people tend to only like 1 and dislike/hate 2-5. Glad you've only ever encountered positivity!

@@RobertsThoughts I'd say his biggest displays of brilliance came in 3 when he gave Will the compass and his parlay with Becket.

Thanks!

They are each missing what the other has imo, 4 had great performance by Depp and good writing for Jack, but the story and villain weren't that interesting and too much of the movie took place in a jungle in a row which made the setting boring. 5 had better villain and sort of story and def settings, but Jack's character writing and Depp's acting was way off from what Jack actually is supposed to be like. What both were missing however was Jacks own goal, it both he pretty much got dragged along on someone's else quest, doing absolutely nothing before that and not having his own mission brewing behing their backs like in 1st where he also got dragged along by Will but in reality Jack had his own different quest behind Will's back. In 4th he would have legged it if he could and 5th he just got dragged along to find the trident because it would also help him but the mission was Henry's whose goal was to save his father.

I think the only series that didn't become a joke after 3 movies was Harry Potter. But that's in part that each movie had a near thousand page book to rely on. Even happened to LOTR. I get the hobbit is technically a separate series but it's still a continuation of the original movies story as prequels. The first was ok but the next two were very lackluster in my mind. They had to drum up alot of things that weren't in the book. The third movie was based on 2-3 pages.

Yup

Thanks so much for the kind words! I really appreciate hearing that :)

High praise! Thanks!!

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Thank you! Any time you rewatch the Pirates trilogy is a good time

That is true! He’s definitely being as clever and resourceful as ever (unlike the bank scene in 5, which seemed like it was all an accident and luck). I was just going for the point that I didn’t care as much about the story anymore, so it was just action for action’s sake. But it is a fair point you make!

There definitely was a significant jump from the first to the second, but my child brain (at the time) didn’t care. :) Even better, it still holds up!

​@@RobertsThoughts Child brains are the best! Drop the cynicism; and just enjoy the good stuffs!! :-D And for sure, the PotC trilogy *does* hold up. It's not the way *I* would've made the sequels. But they're still prrreeeeetty darn good in their own rights. Plus, I *did* get the chance to make my own imagination for the sequels a reality too. Just look up "Pirates of the Caribbean: New Horizons". ;-)