Why I'm Ditching Carbon Shoes..

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Lionel Sanders

Lionel Sanders

3 ай бұрын

I'm ditching carbon shoes for my training. What are your thoughts on training in carbon shoes? Drop your comments below and let's spark a conversation! 🔥👟
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@Eagle6Airsoft
@Eagle6Airsoft 3 ай бұрын
Literally reducing his carbon footprint.
@jkell42
@jkell42 3 ай бұрын
😂
@steeleronfire7030
@steeleronfire7030 3 ай бұрын
😂😂
@dastolh
@dastolh 3 ай бұрын
actually carbon shoes is a good way of storing carbon :P
@thru_and_thru
@thru_and_thru 3 ай бұрын
Winner 😂
@alexgeorge7473
@alexgeorge7473 3 ай бұрын
👌👌👌
@jhonnimencias5048
@jhonnimencias5048 3 ай бұрын
Damm Lionel is fking running bro I’m so fkin happy to see this
@mydearriley
@mydearriley 3 ай бұрын
This dude would rather be running than fking
@frankgallagher5786
@frankgallagher5786 3 ай бұрын
Damn! Gotta find a way. Me too. Im 65 and after 7 years of no running I am back! Well not quite yet, comeback in progress! I even want to get back on the track after this clip.
@benjaminruddle8805
@benjaminruddle8805 3 ай бұрын
Sitting here eating my breakfast getting absolutely pumped for my workout later watching this. Awesome content!
@snthorne705
@snthorne705 3 ай бұрын
Beautiful edit on this one Talbot….had me hooked from start to finish.
@jcoombe100
@jcoombe100 3 ай бұрын
Ditto
@Reppintimefitness
@Reppintimefitness 3 ай бұрын
Me too
@Gavin5511
@Gavin5511 3 ай бұрын
Agreed man, top quality production, and the music was wikid. Need to find out those track listings 😂 (pun intended)
@Mike.A.
@Mike.A. 3 ай бұрын
Ditto
@karinavoggel5741
@karinavoggel5741 2 ай бұрын
Its just the guy running and music. I kinda scrolled through and skipped parts and found it still boring.
@CryptoJay
@CryptoJay 3 ай бұрын
Following Lionel since the start of this channel now, actually seeing a difference and loving it- keep it up!
@orestisz
@orestisz 3 ай бұрын
what a great episode guys! awesome light and edit Talbot!
@nathankim178
@nathankim178 3 ай бұрын
love that motivation in the second round of 200s by the camera man 😂
@mydearriley
@mydearriley 3 ай бұрын
Cameraman's on a Segway 😂
@jcoombe100
@jcoombe100 3 ай бұрын
FANTASTIC editing Talbot! Watched this running off bike on the treadmill. Loved the video angles, music, info on splits, your commentary on those last efforts - fantastic. More of these training vids please!
@jacobmoffitt13
@jacobmoffitt13 3 ай бұрын
That consistency set to set was 👌
@Krebinetkongen
@Krebinetkongen 3 ай бұрын
FInd a way! That hit me hard, so simple, but yet such a strong mentality which applies to everything in life.
@jjrne6
@jjrne6 3 ай бұрын
That run looks strong. Looks like your pretty much healed up from last couple years,sometimes the body just needs time to heal. Way to stick with it,you know your body and you know what you need. Do what feels right,your doing great and as always still Motivating us all!
@_J.F_
@_J.F_ 3 ай бұрын
Brilliant. And I am looking forward to see some top of the podium results coming from this change in training. Never understood why so many train in carbon shoes but I suppose I am just old school too.
@waltertakano6706
@waltertakano6706 Ай бұрын
hard work pays off !!! mega job Lionel!
@fabianthaesler1317
@fabianthaesler1317 3 ай бұрын
No more doubts - the real Lionel is born again! And with him - his self motivation at its best!
@benhanzen2732
@benhanzen2732 3 ай бұрын
And with it, free motivation for all of us 😁
@zyphal1371
@zyphal1371 3 ай бұрын
Damn it Lionel - i just got hit by a car last week on my run & I'm supposed to rest, but this video makes me want to run... keep up the hard work. This year is the year for you to win again
@Ivan_Nano
@Ivan_Nano 3 ай бұрын
I’m glad to know you will be using carbons on race day. When I saw the title I thought: Lionel don’t do what everyone else is doing to win! Glad is just for training.
@billaronis3645
@billaronis3645 Ай бұрын
Just rewatched this after the Oceanside win. Amazing Lionel! No Limits. I like my HOKA Mach 5s too.
@amo757
@amo757 3 ай бұрын
I train in a heavy shoe and race in a lightweight shoe (both non carbon). It feels so good to run in a lightweight shoe come race day.
@JeatBunkie
@JeatBunkie 2 ай бұрын
That’s the thing, people seem to have forgot that the race shoes give you a benefit when RACING. If you train in them too, no benefit.
@Xa4theman
@Xa4theman 2 ай бұрын
Same here, good strategy
@tomlast2277
@tomlast2277 2 ай бұрын
Loving the fire in his belly and the video is just ace, nice work Talbot
@pauldreada8999
@pauldreada8999 3 ай бұрын
Impressive how he hits those numbers with almost no springiness on his feet and heel striking, imagining how colossal his aerobic base is
@justjustjoo
@justjustjoo 3 ай бұрын
Human eye (not even the best coaches') can't tell which running technique/style is more economical than the other. So this doesn't really say anything 😅
@milkxv
@milkxv 2 ай бұрын
a decent amount of top proffessionals heel strike
@shixuenchin1396
@shixuenchin1396 2 ай бұрын
heel strike has zero impact on efficiency
@benpocketful
@benpocketful 3 ай бұрын
What a difference of stride at high speed! Well done!
@willpsychmajor3104
@willpsychmajor3104 3 ай бұрын
Liking how much content your putting out. Keep it up!
@thomasprecheur5737
@thomasprecheur5737 3 ай бұрын
Super nice and motivating video, as usual. Keep going ! Any news about the aero testing in the wind tunnel in Germany with the Canyon guys (as announced in a previous video) ?
@DanielNowak-xj5oc
@DanielNowak-xj5oc 2 ай бұрын
Awesome workout Lionel ! You are going to kill it in your next race !
@roadracer46
@roadracer46 3 ай бұрын
Great job on the video Talbot, edits and music were perfect It’s strange to see Lionel with hair
@donaldlamarche9886
@donaldlamarche9886 3 ай бұрын
Way to go Lionel! Out hustle and out grind everyone, then transcend this work in your races. You do Lionel. Gut it out until the finish line.
@inupete69
@inupete69 2 ай бұрын
that bit at the end was so motivational
@TheDomLouis
@TheDomLouis 3 ай бұрын
8:00 @Talbot such a motivator!! Onwards and Upwards 💪🏽❗️❗
@mohamedkarimelsawy3357
@mohamedkarimelsawy3357 3 ай бұрын
Talbot’s choice of music is impeccable as always
@flava1981
@flava1981 2 ай бұрын
Beautifully shot and edited 🤟🏽
@shanegill5091
@shanegill5091 3 ай бұрын
I'm on the other side of the world but when I watch your running videos I feel a connection.
@VogtJurgen
@VogtJurgen 3 ай бұрын
Brilliant video. Super motivational guys. And doesn't Lionel's form look better when he's doing speedwork?
@carflores13
@carflores13 3 ай бұрын
Lionel it looks like your running form has gotten better! Keep going brother and put the work in now to celebrate later!!!
@JouneyOfTheAmateurRunner
@JouneyOfTheAmateurRunner 2 ай бұрын
Quietly video - only just found your channel - great work 👍🏻👍🏻
@DavidFritzIII
@DavidFritzIII 3 ай бұрын
I had gone to carbon shoes for a summer and loved having the faster splits in training but in the end I stopped and run only in the taper in my carbon racers… With this approach I’ve hit so many more PBs. I’m not as quick as you but now that you’re on to my secret no chance of catching you.. Also I’ve added in some zero drop shoes for one run a week and that is usually a trail run, I found that helps too.
@coverupcontest9621
@coverupcontest9621 Ай бұрын
Was there any rest in between each rep? You killing it bro💪🏽🔥
@michaelatellez8470
@michaelatellez8470 3 ай бұрын
Find a way!! 💪🏽
@highteklife
@highteklife 3 ай бұрын
These videos are an inspiration. Lionel never give up. No Limits for life! Keep it up brother!
@KerenWang
@KerenWang 3 ай бұрын
Giving up on carbon shoes though. ;)
@travismcgarry
@travismcgarry 3 ай бұрын
Wow what happened to Lionel’s “limp”… it seems to be smoothing out some…. Crushing it💪
@Eightch
@Eightch 2 ай бұрын
This is exactly it. I have said it over, over and over. Apparently not in any place where people see it. The best approach to training and race day times is to save the carbons for your last two weeks before a race. This will give your body time to adjust to the race day set up and pace. Glad to see you taking up this approach. As you said... put in the work now, enjoy the benefits later!
@simonherrmann1278
@simonherrmann1278 3 ай бұрын
Incredible video production!!
@TheCyclingCardio
@TheCyclingCardio 3 ай бұрын
Those are cool pair of shades..what are those? And these footage pump me to go back to running, great work
@Runmaerun
@Runmaerun 3 ай бұрын
With Lionel rocking the blonde hair the theme song for this video should have been Quit Playing Games (with my heart)
@remisimard7760
@remisimard7760 3 ай бұрын
I try to use my carbon a few times a year for hard efforts and races, but otherwise use normal and trail shoes. I like the mental boost for races that carbons give me.
@Roger-il8iw
@Roger-il8iw 3 ай бұрын
Yeah the mental, and the lack of pressure on knees is a game changer. I always keep 2 pair and break them in then use one for training once a week. Important to train in it regularly to get the full benefit. Hopefully they get cheaper!
@dimitar297
@dimitar297 3 ай бұрын
Wear one carbon plated shoe and one regular shoe and change every mile.
@yendoradon7836
@yendoradon7836 3 ай бұрын
Beautiful video production 😊
@EatMyPropwash
@EatMyPropwash 3 ай бұрын
Love my Mach 5’s. Recently switched to the Mach X they’re superb.
@federicopagliettini
@federicopagliettini 3 ай бұрын
I like his point. You should train in hard conditions to be at your best on race day. I´ve been using carbon over the last year and I feel I am slower than before when I go back to non-carbons
@shredwithrobert
@shredwithrobert 2 ай бұрын
Good training motivation Lionel 🔥
@mitchbuckley5393
@mitchbuckley5393 3 ай бұрын
Dude, how late are you training? What happened to getting it done early, food and recovery? Cool video though, great edit. Heart on sleeve ❤
@Fit.Girl.Fitness
@Fit.Girl.Fitness 3 ай бұрын
Love it Talbot Cox!!! Just love it!!
@mihastramic9205
@mihastramic9205 3 ай бұрын
thanks for putting paces in km too
@josiahburrow
@josiahburrow 3 ай бұрын
it's like Lionel forgot that he almost won the Ironman World Championship in a pair of Skechers.
@MilanSmore
@MilanSmore 3 ай бұрын
Those sketchers were pretty good carbon racers
@jmw2224
@jmw2224 3 ай бұрын
@@MilanSmorethey were not carbon shoes
@MilanSmore
@MilanSmore 3 ай бұрын
@@jmw2224 look up Skechers GOrun Speed Elite Hyper
@tatotherunner4388
@tatotherunner4388 3 ай бұрын
Great content and video work.
@Eightch
@Eightch 2 ай бұрын
In fact I still do some of my runs in a pair of 83 Pegasus which were used in marathons back when they were released with great results. This approach helps strengthen my feet and ligaments so that when I go with my Nike Kipchoge AlphaFly's I feel like I can't be stopped.
@rodp7803
@rodp7803 3 ай бұрын
Every video in which Lionel makes a change, my confidence in him is renewed
@khaubensak
@khaubensak 3 ай бұрын
So your confidence is renewed weekly lol
@arceus54321
@arceus54321 3 ай бұрын
carbon takes a lot of strain off your lower leg muscles and ligaments which means you're more fresh the next day but also impedes growth and strength development in those ligaments. i thikn it's better longterm to keep carbon for races. i like using the NB1400v6 on the track because it's a super simple flat but they're discontinued. the hoka mach 5 you're using is probably too heavy for a track session but i recommend something like the takumi sen. it doesn't have a carbon plate and is lightweight enough for a fast track session. good middleground between carbon and a low-cushion flat
@runnin3216
@runnin3216 3 ай бұрын
Takumi Sen still has fiberglass rods though. I am glad I still have a few pairs of Reebok Run Fast Pros to use for track sessions.
@nathanspain
@nathanspain 3 ай бұрын
I'm curious, do you ever run the track in reverse (clockwise) for any reps? great vids lately.....all the vids are great really.....thanks for creating the content!
@RachelIsRunning
@RachelIsRunning 3 ай бұрын
I know you're asking LS and not me, but I thought I'd weigh in on this.. I run both directions, I'm left-handed and left foot Dominant. Clockwise is easier for me to achieve pace targets. But running both directions balances the force put through both sides equally so I try to ensure I stay balanced, help avoid injury. It also reminds me to push through my legs consistently on corners 💪💪
@MMichiganSalveRegina
@MMichiganSalveRegina 3 ай бұрын
The reason people like you Lionel is because you represent the idea that working harder makes you better. 👏 bravo
@frauhorn
@frauhorn 2 ай бұрын
totally agree with this. I only plate up for races. I love the confidence of running decent session in Hoka Arahi's or similar non glamorous daily trainer.
@terciosantana4697
@terciosantana4697 3 ай бұрын
one helluva workout! awesome!
@siitan83
@siitan83 3 ай бұрын
He is absolutely right - you lose something. I also ran in them for years and yes they help, but they also make your hoof lazy or lazier. Lionel has especially lazy hoof, he has very little airtime in his step.
@LR6092
@LR6092 3 ай бұрын
If his foot spends more time on the ground it would require more foot strength 🫤
@samanderson1650
@samanderson1650 3 ай бұрын
Yeah, I like the super shoes, but I don't wear them for every interval workout. It's nice to do some workouts in regular trainers to notice the difference more on race day.
@hellopixel8203
@hellopixel8203 3 ай бұрын
Running with less shoe tech + more speed might be the best chance Lionel has at balancing and fixing his stride mechanics. From those of us in the biomechanics, physiology world, let's all wish him luck
@m0e566
@m0e566 3 ай бұрын
i did. the same thing i went back to running my fast workouts in non carbon shoes after i really struggled to hit 3:45 min/k in Training sessions were i didn’t have any available.
@supdawg7811
@supdawg7811 2 ай бұрын
IMO and experience, going from carbon fiber-based shoes to Hokas is like going from the most responsive side to the least responsive side of the spectrum. Hokas have bounce, but my Cliftons were way less responsive from heel-to-toe. A mid-point standard construction brand like Brooks might be what you’re looking for (I use the Adrenalines)
@berthein5476
@berthein5476 2 ай бұрын
im using my novablast 3 for everything interval and Marathon Pace training. I had vaporflys, and i loved them. but they broke at the end of last year. i never really went back to plated shoes for my Street running. I am an ultra Trail runner primarily, and my shoe of choice in the Hoka Tecton X. probably the best shoe ive ever had. its like a slightly bouncier plated mach 5. I just now bought a a metaspeed sky paris for a few HMs coming up. but thats about it.
@billymans2259
@billymans2259 3 ай бұрын
I am sensing something coming!!
@beachedbeluga
@beachedbeluga 3 ай бұрын
There is some thought that the carbon shoes reduce injuries, allowing for increased volume and training. Will be interesting to see if that has any impact on Lionel.
@TalbotCoxMedia
@TalbotCoxMedia 3 ай бұрын
I asked him this in the video but I did not feel it needed to be added but we looked it up and that’s just opinion no scientific evidence behind that statement but you’re right time will tell
@David-rh2fe
@David-rh2fe 3 ай бұрын
its actually the opposite .. carbon shoes can increase injuries
@Juan_More_Mile
@Juan_More_Mile 3 ай бұрын
@@David-rh2feno they don’t. The opposite has been proven
@SwordOfGod642
@SwordOfGod642 3 ай бұрын
@@TalbotCoxMediakzfaq.info/get/bejne/rMVlnZpzmJe6aY0.html
@SwordOfGod642
@SwordOfGod642 3 ай бұрын
@@Juan_More_Mile "Long term usage of carbon shoes weakens the achilles" Jordan Donnelly, Athlete Innovation Lead at On
@unclelee743
@unclelee743 2 ай бұрын
Love to see Lionel do a pure marathon event as part of prep
@abuckeye26
@abuckeye26 3 ай бұрын
Lionel what was your "rest" during the 200s? A 200m jog?
@drewblake854
@drewblake854 3 ай бұрын
I for one have never tried carbons due to cost. I can’t afford to race right now much less afford that shoe. In another case I’m running 7:45 tempo pace now so don’t really need them till I can consistently be in the 6’s and faster.
@steveavra9696
@steveavra9696 2 ай бұрын
Have you considered doing some of your training (very little at first) on barefoot running shoes or at least shoes with zero drop? These should strengthen your feet and calves. Better start by only walking in them at first. Best wishes for the best season of your life. We're looking forward to it.
@nimbra2
@nimbra2 3 ай бұрын
Carbon takes the work/impact away from your feet and ankles. If I do track WOs in carbons, I do a barefoot cool down and always easy runs in non-carbons
@kilzan
@kilzan 3 ай бұрын
Lionel D1OS Sanders!!! We are two brothers of 9 and 10 years old, we are from Spain, we are your number 1 fans!!! Someday we will win the Ironman of Hawaii, but first we want to see you being the king of the island.
@StephanieLuff
@StephanieLuff 3 ай бұрын
I find that if I do speed work in carbon plates, I injure myself. Now I only use them for races and long runs but in general I try to rotate through my shoes so I don’t grow any imbalances
@ludovicpiejos4379
@ludovicpiejos4379 3 ай бұрын
He is literally doing what people like me on budget do to conserve their carbon plated shoes. It is expensive so I only use them for fast workout few weeks before race day and race day.
@joshuafoulds8107
@joshuafoulds8107 3 ай бұрын
Is LS going to revisit his lactate tests from the fall? The plan was every 8 weeks.
@konradnoises
@konradnoises 3 ай бұрын
It would just be INSANE to see what he could do if he changed his form to not have a heel strike
@notsoaeroarnulvillarreal804
@notsoaeroarnulvillarreal804 3 ай бұрын
Would love to see him run in Raramuri sandals in the next video
@derkong7114
@derkong7114 3 ай бұрын
There was a time to watch Lionel run was painful for the viewer, he looks much more "pain free" and smooth in his running today....
@cybermanne
@cybermanne 3 ай бұрын
Good call on ditching the carbons.
@cdnnurse01
@cdnnurse01 3 ай бұрын
Please don't overtrain again, get the recovery/rest both physically and mentally, when you can 2nd in Kona it seems you did the work and boom after you seemed to over do everything and it hurt you, plz don't jump into that lane again, your deserve the big one.
@waxwars9183
@waxwars9183 2 ай бұрын
Haven’t tried the carbon ones yet. Rich people problems ?!?
@afknow
@afknow 3 ай бұрын
ohh new video!! awesome
@davidlundy9142
@davidlundy9142 3 ай бұрын
Love it...save the plated shoes for race day. Its easy to get in a mindset of racing your training runs and its not a good thing.
@andreasmaher8749
@andreasmaher8749 3 ай бұрын
I do all my fast stuff in non carbon shoes. When I put on the race day carbon shoes I almost feel like Im falling forward with every stride.
@jameswisniewski4741
@jameswisniewski4741 3 ай бұрын
That is the best I have seen his run form look in years. Does anyone else agree? Or disagree?
@L-dw5sx
@L-dw5sx Ай бұрын
Epic running montage
@matthewplampton955
@matthewplampton955 2 ай бұрын
Carbons only come out race week for me. I also found that to much carbon usage leads to calf and achilles issues.
@100maxPower
@100maxPower 3 ай бұрын
looks like you are slightly overstriding. a bit more of a forward lean and trying to land under your center of gravity might be a good thing to focus on
@MellenJay
@MellenJay 3 ай бұрын
#soinspiring. Incredible production value as always. May I ask the title & artists of the song used throughout? it's dreamy
@karlosfandango6637
@karlosfandango6637 3 ай бұрын
I kind of refused to go down the carbon route. 1 because of cost and 2 because I thought they were a gimmick. But just found a £50 pair of Scott rc carbon shoes. So for that price why not. Very good but only for racing and the odd training run. 95% I'll stick with good old fashioned shoes.
@thekeenester
@thekeenester 3 ай бұрын
the overcast + sunrise aesthetic of this video + the music choices just hit for me idk.
@Domingjm2
@Domingjm2 3 ай бұрын
Best training video in recent memory.
@robseed726
@robseed726 3 ай бұрын
Rate these so much and even have them in the same colour! 🎉
@gingerwatkins3872
@gingerwatkins3872 3 ай бұрын
Try the Mach 6 or Fuelcell Rebel v4. No carbon but both snappy .
@nimbra2
@nimbra2 3 ай бұрын
Running form looks better than it has in years! Doesn’t even look like you’re trying to run injured
@after4091
@after4091 3 ай бұрын
Love this.
@triathlontimmy
@triathlontimmy 3 ай бұрын
I also like my Hoka Mach 5 shoes! Good choice
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